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02:18
I think I should socialize more in real life and my calendar has items filled in for the next few weeks. But I think I might have caught a cold. Not a serious one.
But it's obvious enough that a friend on the phone asked me whether I had a blocked nose ~_~
It's called "TriState" but it has 5 enumerators. 3 of them are "not supported" leaving only "msoFalse" and "msoTrue".
03:23
I wonder whether there is equipment and software that simulate human eye vision - namely using 2 cameras for wider angle and distance judgement.
@Mikhail wew collange at it again
@user703016 "My research is telling people how great Nvidia products are" :-)
tbf they are
too bad their commercial practices suck
in particular?
the constant vendor lock in
03:38
I blame the idiots at OCL (Khronos) + ATI/AMD
I heard that Google, internally, uses some kind of CUDA syntax compatible compiler that produces OCL compatible kernels. Or something else, wacky.
MS wasted a bunch of time on AMP
Real problem with CUDA is that I can't use MSVC 2017 with it.
partially agree
OCL could've been great if it had used C++ right off the bat
and a single source model (at least as an optional extension)
there are already CUDA <-> OpenCL compilers
AMP isn't wasted time, we learned some valuable stuff for a future standardization in C++
yes AMP itself will die but it's still more experience
What in AMP?
the design
maybe we finally get a restrict keyword ?
AMP was a pretty shit design?
Its like OpenMP but no pragmas?
it was pure C++
@Mikhail oh, good point, I'll ask if that's planned
I clicked the link and immediately read:
> 5.1. Why a library feature?
almost fell off my chair
should consider better quality chair if you have gained a lot of weight
@user703016 the rest of the paper doesn’t merit reading
well looks like we're not getting it anytime soon :w
anyway that's fairly minor
(given that all compilers support it)
Although it would be nice to see when its lost, etc, possibly make mixing restrict and non-restriced types illegal.
04:00
one thing I don't know how they're gonna do is heterogeneous memory spaces
because then you need to encode the address space in the pointer type or something
I haven't really followed, I should
maybe support only architectures with a unified address space
probably griwes knows more idk
04:14
> C'est au carrefour d'Evry ça ! Ils sont en train de tout refaire
@user703016 impossible d’y échapper
04:34
> Sur Le Bon Coin, le maire s’appelait Doudou31 et revendait le matériel de la commune
#PasLEssonne pour contrebalancer
04:57
> condamné récemment à six mois de prison
bien
05:25
@user703016 So, I believe multiple GPU synchronization is, only supported, on the same node.
I meant global memory vs local
Feels like unifying the memory spaces would be a bad outcome because they it would be hard to grab a pointer to things like shared memory. And we'd have to do the AVX/SSE bullshit where you have a structure mirroring your cache.
^ Explains "Intel style" cache management
05:42
@Mikhail Not sure what you mean
Recent CUDA and OpenCL both have unified address spaces
They are very convenient from the programmer's perspective
But not all hardware/drivers support it so maybe portability is a concern
But I sure don't want to go back to the days where I had to be careful about the memory space of my pointars
I've been using thrust and other wrappers and don't mind the manual loads/unloads
Not just that but in device code you had to overload each function that could work separately on local/global addresses
Yeah, I know I'm actually writing CUDA code right now ;-)
so you had do_thing(__private int*) and do_thing(__local int*) and do_thing(__global int*)
which is extremely annoying
and of course you couldn't pass those pointers back to the host
The real thing I'd like nvidia or MS to do, is to fix MSVC support
05:50
lol
I'm thinking MS could do what the LLVM folks did where they output CUDA code
can't hear you over the raging sound of my LONEX powered machine
yeah but LLVM is open sores unlike MSVC
wtf is LONEX?
it's GNU/Lonex actually
it's an OS powered by the sweat and tears of the proletariat
you can learn more about it at linux.org
@user703016 Why 2018 won't be the year of the Linux desktop bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378396
05:54
zfs isn't super stable is it
I personally use GNOME on Debian Sid
admittedly I don't run zfs
everything is ext4 because I'm a pleb
@mik what do you tensorflow for?
I was meaning to convert the storage cluster to zfs but :effort:
@Mikhail lmao gentoo
@user703016 if you stare into the abyss, xeyes stares back at you
05:56
gentoo is a meme, not a real distro
@user703016 I've been running it since 2006 :-/
I don't know how to use any other distro :-/
In all honesty I've never tried gentoo
Try Fedora, their support for ZFS is supposedly the best
I am more of a Debian person myself
zfs support is the same across all distros
Its a kernel module...
certainly, but perhaps integration is better tested
Is Lukáš Tinkle a real name?
w/e these bugs reports are more of a slow burning troll while nvcc compiles my code
06:02
sounds slavic yes
with that funny a and s, probably czech?
or slovenia/croatia idk
 
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07:06
@Mikhail Nor will any other year
07:26
So I was writing some UB code to see how the compiler reacts to it. This one is weird: godbolt.org/g/uRWh2e
Two functions with identical bodies generate different code.
 
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08:57
How do I calculate the minimum turning diameter?
09:08
turning radius*2?
thanks for your useless contribution
turning radius of a car can be found by getting the pivot point by projecting the axles of the wheels and finding their intersection
then measure to the car
I thought it's calculated by projecting the difference in the turning angles of two wheels
although I do not know the turning angles of two wheels until I measure them
yeah you can do it on paper with a bit of trig but doing the projection is simpler
09:23
@StackedCrooked That is truly UB. :)
though I do stand corrected on projection being simpler,
@Mikhail Lukáš is a Czech name. The surname is not typical but I would not discount it as impossible.
@Mikhail Well, TINKL is a valid family name but very uncommon, according to Czech Interior Ministry statistics. TINKLE sounds very close to that.
@wilx close enough to blame on autocorrect
 
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11:02
wow people enjoy trolling
@Mgetz Are you joking? C++11 and later has auto which is the most unsafe language feature C++ has seen in many decades. Modern C++ is far too dangerous to be used in mission-critical systems, but then again C++ was very dangerous in the first place. By using C, the number of language flaws is at least manageable, there's just somewhere around 100-200 such flaws in C. In C++, you have something like >1000. Of course it will be next to mission impossible to create a subset of that. The root of the problem here is the C++ language. — Lundin 2 hours ago
11:35
@Mgetz I suspect he believes that.
@wilx I do to, which is why I would say the major risk to security safe and mission critical software is people with that attitude
but I was never going to reply to a direct troll like that
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@Mgetz deleted :(
@Ven wow I didn't expect them to nuke all the comments, but it does clean it up a lot
the irony is that if he had said Rust instead of C, I probably wouldn't have considered it as much of a troll
at least with rust you have clear ownership semantics
12:07
More C++ ppl who know C than rust
also python is worse than I though
hate indentation based languages
because shell script
@TelKitty Python is pretty decent. Though I prefer Perl for most things.
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Q: Can i make WIFE - Prowide Core to work in VisualStudio 2017 c#

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/cc @Mysticial Wait wut
 
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14:11
@ABuckau internal resistance maybe, although I don't see a direct relationship between battery's capacity and it's internal resistance
14:25
@Borgleader Can you make a wife, heh?
14:47
@Borgleader This seems completely obvious. "Prowide Core". Obviously the opposite of an "amateur Narrow core". This is obviously discussing the superiority of cores providing AVX512, and denigrating all those "amateur narrow cores" that only support AVX2. What's so hard about that?
@EtiennedeMartel I cannot.
15:17
@Borgleader nice!
@Borgleader That's rare even in Anime.
Burn it!
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A: What is the "-->" operator in C++?

Ahmed Imagine you self a compiler, the you will read from left to right. So you will understand x --> 0 as 2 parts: x -- to decrease x by 1. (x--) > 0 check if x after decrement is > 0 or not. This obeys the "longest match" rule.

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Even my imaginary compiler crashes on templated friend functions.
15:46
@Mysticial VLQ or mod attention?
@Borgleader Oh damn, you can't VTD.
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vote to downvote?
vote to delete
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ah; ok.
@Mysticial Still missing ~6.5k rep for that.
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15:56
oh wow you've been reppin' up.
maybe if I get a few more lucky answers, I'll get there.
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beautiful divmod
wow, map#lower_bound is cool
"... forget about it for the rest of eternity." that only works if nothing changesÐаn May 26 '17 at 12:05
I mean, angles don't tend to change that often.
 
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20:31
Its taking some person 10 minutes to delete millions of files, recommend they run the delete operation on multiple threads. This is exactly what I do, and get good speed ups. Get downvoted by single hard drive plebs.
Looks like Agner Fog has his analysis of Skylake X and Cannonlake. Though I think he's mistakening on the Cannonlake since that isn't even out yet and his tests don't have any Cannonlake instructions.
@Mysticial would he have access to engineering samples? I don't know how he makes his money
@Mgetz I think he's a professor.
Not 100% sure though.
so that's a solid "Maybe?"
yeah
He's lumping Skylake X and Cannonlake into the same thing as if they were when they are not.
And he stated that he hasn't had access to Skylake X until very recently.
20:38
@Mysticial Given how late cannonlake is now... (we're going on what... a full year now?)
There's also a minor error in his summary.
@Mgetz Yeah, I dunno. He's talking like he has insider information. Since he says in no unclear terms that Cannonlake has 2 AVX512 FMAs. But at the same time, he says the 6 and 8-core Skylake X chips have only 1 when they actually have 2.
That said, I also have insider information on upcoming processors (for both Intel and AMD). But not anything related to this topic.
there was a point where I would have known this (but not had insider information)
tbf all I care about is HEDT cpus
as I'm waaaay to cheap to shell out for server procs
My sole excursion into the intel confidential world was the 2008 cluster challenge. Where intel told us LITERALLY THE DAY OF COMPETITION we couldn't use our CPUs because they weren't going to announce them (Nahalem)
always fun to be walking across the floor of SC with pizzabox xeon servers as replacements
that none of your builds are optimized for
21:07
So anyone excited about the new Ubuntu release?
I'm kinda meh. I welcome the improvements (no more Unity). But I generally dislike changing my tools because it messes up my workflow.
@StackedCrooked yes
tomorrow right?
Not sure.
@Mysticial Yep.
I guess I know what I'll be doing tomorrow after work.
Do you use it at home?
Opening up that spare SSD I bought last month.
@StackedCrooked Only to compile and run code for Linux.
21:12
I've used Ubuntu at work for about 8 years now. Before that I never used Linux.
@Mysticial lol
@StackedCrooked Yeah, I have spare drives sitting around that I use to sandbox new setups.
21:38
@Borgleader
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BlazeDaBlurA little more detail: A few hours ago, I logged on to SE with my TheJavaNub account. Then, I came here and asked a question about Area 51's formatting. For some reason, when I went to SO, I was logged out and tried to sign in, but only got "Join This Community." A few minutes later, I came back h...

> I have about a year of coding in java, but I have just about mastered at least the basics. The only thing I'm still grappling with understanding is lambda.
 
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23:21
@Mysticial 404
@Borgleader It turned out to be anticlimactic.
OP says, "Why did my rep drop to 1 while still having all my posts." OP posts a link his SO profile - it's suspended.
But it turns out the OP was actually asking about his SE account which genuinely had an issue.
oh, rip
@StackedCrooked Gentoo master race
@Borgleader I'll make up for it:
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23:44
@Mysticial very nice quinton
Found this. Haven't read it yet, but it looks like popcorn:
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Q: Why was my account suspended for *invalid* reasons?

PheoMy main account on SO was deleted for walking into a chat room. I unknowingly remade an account (Thought I was logging in) and it was deleted yet again for no reason. I remade the account (purposely this time) and a while later, next day, I get this message: In case you didn't get the messa...

does it make any sense to use inheritance if the child will use about 70% of the abstract class attributes?
@WithoutNameZin Yes?

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