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00:04
@stdOrgnlDave Good morning to you too
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
@CatPlusPlus Eh. I don't see the attraction in that kind of film.
It's weird.
Noone knows what th hell.
it involves people being dissolved by acid and such things
that's most definitely on my list of "Gratuitous violence".
It makes no sense.
00:17
Hey why is nobody on mumble?
Oh hey Mahesh. Sup.
Whats up
Well, there is nobody on mumble.
That's all that's up.
I see you are from Netherlands.
I see that too.
What is it famous for ?
00:19
Weed.
Me.
Tulips.
Tulpen en molens.
Let niet op hem eeh zenne. Das nen Belg eeh.
Tulips are a major attraction which I see in our film songs. I haven't been to it's garden yet :(
I'm looking forward to tomorrow.
Watch it form 1:04
00:21
I need to know if GRUB understands Mach-O binaries, and if it does not I'm screwed to death.
These are tulips. Right ?
I don't think you understand the language though. Sorry.
The stupid thing is that the GRUB documentation doesn't contain a list of supported formats. It only states that it understands "various formats including ELF".
Fuck I ran out of OJ.
Here is some music, since it's damn quiet in the lounge.
00:42
Why is it always metal?
You don't want metal? Here you go:
I mean, I have nothing against specific kinds of metal. I like Tool, for instance.
I like silver and gold.
And platinum.
@StackedCrooked that music reminds me of this song:
Frankly though, this chatroom needs more progressive rock.
@RadekSlupik Ok... :)
But, yeah, I'm going to mix things up in here.
00:54
Meshuggah - Bleed Sorry, I posted this yesterday as well. But listening to it now while reading the Wikipedia article I'm thinking that these guys are quite crafty.
What article
> Since its 2002 album Nothing, Meshuggah has used downtuned eight-string guitars. Meshuggah has become known for their innovative musical style, complex, polymetered song structures and polyrhythms.
I don't know what all of those words mean, but it sounds cool.
Ok, time for Jorane Sacre for a change.
I like Epica. Dutch band.
so I've decided that I'm the smartest person to ever exist
@DeadMG Good for you.
@StackedCrooked Nah, I've taken a break from that project, working on my Wide specification
but I've been writing some code samples for my specification and it's teh sweet
My code is getting cluttered with std::ostream & operator <<(std::ostream&, ...) overloads.
There, last song dump tonight, a Jazz standard.
Just realizing that because operator<< is merely a function I can write my definitions inline in the header file and only need include iosfwd.
Btw, had C++ course a work last month and one of the tips was to avoid including iostream in header files and use iosfwd instead. That was one of the few things that was actually new to me.
01:14
damn
watching MLG and I saw a card saying "More SCII action coming up" and I was like "ASCII is active?".
That's normal.
first time happening to me
the important thing is MOAR WIDE CODE SAMPLES AND SPECIFICATIONS
You can build a compiler that generates JavaScript and revolutionize the web.
Just to be sure: that was a joke.
Wide's more of a server language than a compile-to-JS language
auto a = foo(), b = bar(); // Can a and b be of different type?
01:23
don't recall
in Wide you can do a, b := { foo(), bar() };
In Ruby it's a,b = 3, 4
yeah, I considered using that
but in Wide you may find it necessary to do e.g. a, b := { foo(), { bar(), quux() } };
So it has come to this. I'm using boost::optional<bool>.
lol?
It looks a bit strange. A boolean with three states. But it makes sense. I have a list of optional fields and one of them happens to be of type bool.
01:45
I actually have an identical situation in my container interfaces
02:01
I'm finding that relying on value-initialization is a risky game.
Wide does not have such a thing
fortunately
the only kind of initialization I specified was "Call a constructor", and there's no such thing as uninitialized, except when dealing with construction order for members and stuff
So you can't have uninitialized variables? That sounds like a good thing.
> Try listening to Nickelback on your headphones with an episode of The Big Bang Theory playing on the TV that has closed captions in comic sans and a Call of Duty commercial playing as you think of a Dane Cook joke and download the Origin service using Internet Explorer.
indeed
and I also don't need uniform initialization
// I wonder if I should use boost::parameter ...
DynamicBuffer MakeIPv4Packet(const DynamicBuffer & inPayload,
                             IPv4Identification inIdentification,
                             IPv4DoNotFragment inDoNotFragment,
                             IPProtNum inIPProtNum,
                             IPv4SourceAddress inSourceAddress,
                             IPv4DestinationAddress inDestinationAddress,
                             IPv4TimeToLive inTimeToLive,
                             IPv4TypeOfService inTypeOfService,
02:14
wtf is a DynamicBuffer?
Since most of the params can have defaults.
typedef std::vector<uint8_t> DynamicBuffer;
:D
lol
DynamicBuffer is easier to type than std::vector<uint8_t>;
also, what's with the Hungarian Notation?
It's an old habit.
02:15
also, you take an IP protocol number, but the parameters and function name indicate it's IP v4 only?
And if I don't do it then I get confused.
wtf happened to IPv5 anyway?
@DeadMG IP Protocol number indicates the higher layer protocol, e.g: TCP, UDP, ...
I remember that IPv5 was mentioned in Wikidpedia.
@StackedCrooked ah
02:18
But in my function the only required parameters are payload, protocol number and source and destination addresses. All the other can have defaults.
@StackedCrooked Oh, a wikipedia for kids!
:P
Huh?
IPv5 = for kids?
wi kid pedia.
You guys are cool.
02:22
So are people that drink Chimay.
We unfortunately don't have access to a wide selection of Belgian beer here. But at least we got that.
I also like Duvel.
Yeah, that one's good as well.
Worse part is that about the only place where you can find those here are in government-owned liquor stores.
The only Belgian beer you can find at your common convenience store is Stella Artois. And that tastes like piss.
Here I can get Duvel and Chimay from nearby Turkish night-shop.
You can't get Jupiler?
Maybe. Might need to look.
02:31
That's a popular pils beer here and not too bad.
There's a Belgian guy here at work. At first I thought he was French, but then we started talking about beer. He told me that the only nice things in Belgium are beer and fries.
All Belgians are like that :p
3D graphics exam tomorrow
You're going to nail that. Unless it's a linear algebra exam in disguise like I got.
yeah
it's like that
it's like, "Here's the proof for the cross product and rotation matrix formulae".
02:42
Well, better get drunk then.
lol
@sbi Sorry, what was this a reply to?
doubt the ape is up at 4am GMT
Well, it's almost 5 AM there, no?
oh, true, I guess
but I doubt he'd be up then on a Sunday
02:47
@DeadMG He'll see it when he logs in.
He always does.
always
The Ape is always watching. Watching you.
how? there are no cameras in my house
That's what you think.
hope he enjoys all the footage of me masturbating then
I knew that was coming~.
02:48
lol
Turbofap.
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Q: QFile VS ifstream. Which is faster?

Jeff SchweiglerI'm trying to figure out which is faster, as well as learn how to benchmark. Do you think this is an accurate way to test QFile VS ifstream? http://ideone.com/ipkGh

I wonder if we should get the close hammer on that one.
Ah, crap stopwatches.
Good ol' std::clock.
@EtiennedeMartel Already collecting crap answers...
QueryPerformanceCounter ftw
02:53
@EtiennedeMartel <chrono> ftw.
@DeadMG On Windows, sure.
non-Windows is important?
A lot of software runs on Linux derivative.
Of course they're not games, so you don't give a flying shit.
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, especially crappy. It's like all the talented people who came across the question got mindfucked by it.
"flying fuck" FTFY
hey, I also use my primary machine for developing software and browsing teh interwebs
@EtiennedeMartel No, I don't give a flying fuck because it's about 2% of desktops, instead of a significant quantity.
@EtiennedeMartel I voted for off-topic, but I think it's NARQ.
If his program does what is on the benchmark, it's a good benchmark.
boost::optional implicit conversion to bool is nasty if the held value is also bool.
If it doesn't it's just irrelevant.
So, impossible to answer.
02:59
@DeadMG What if it's not on desktops?
@StackedCrooked Oh gosh. Boost.tribool should be safer.
(But, who am I kidding, if you cared about the mainframes you would be working in Java now)
well, I most definitely only own a desktop
@RMartinhoFernandes I have a struct which contains a number of required members (must be passed to the constructor) and a number of optional members (which are boost::optional<..>). If one of them is a tribool then it's a little odd.
Triboooool.
Got a nice ring to it.
So it really is an optional bool and not a true/false/file_not_found.
@RMartinhoFernandes Why?
@DeadMG You only own a desktop!
03:02
@RMartinhoFernandes I thought those were real bools?
@EtiennedeMartel I was using a joke to be serious.
@RMartinhoFernandes What else should I own?
In hindsight, that was probably not a good idea.
@DeadMG Yeah, why don't you have a zSeries, like all the cool kids?
@DeadMG Ah, nevermind, I was just desperately grasping an opportunity to say you suck.
03:03
lol
I can't really back it up.
You know, you don't actually need an opportunity to say he sucks.
well, I have to admit, if you want to say I suck, you've gotta look pretty damn hard for a justification
You're like a vacuum cleaner.
03:14
Ooh built-in Dictionary is rocking:
03:41
Möbius cake.
mm
I'll take a corner piece
04:12
Finally back from vacation. Being without fast internet for 3 weeks sucks.
3
Welcome back! I actually wondered if you were gone forever.
some vacation. no fast internet
yeah, I don't really get going places without fast interwebs
hmm... it won't let me ping GMan... has he also been away for a while?
I don't recall seeing him recently
but then my sleep times have been bent over recently
04:16
> What I mean with attenuation patterns basically are simple reusable design patterns that make it possible to attenuate the authority that is conveyed by an object reference, and in the case of the proposed library, by a functor.
Oh gawd, I hate this guy.
what is that meme that's like, "I don't know <insert terrible grammar here>`.
He goes on and on and on and on about how his great library can make it easy for you to "attenuate your structs" and shit, and everyone asks him WTF does attenuating a struct mean, and he says it means it is easier to attenuate it.
I'll try anyway... Pinging... @GManNickG
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
that's it
@RMartinhoFernandes linkage?
He wants to propose a library to the standard to make it easier to attenuate structs.
I feel sooooo silly saying that.
He almost sounds like a marketing drone.
"attenuation patterns that help increase program robustness by enabling drop-in attenuation on a functor level"
04:21
that shit is bull
@GManNickG PING!
Maybe a response ping will work...
> Its not about new capabilities being offered, its about building blocks and convenience when composing attenuations for injected dependencies using functors.
I'm amazed by the nonsense density of his replies.
I should go to sleep.
@RMartinhoFernandes Indeed you should.
I need to cut decltype from Wide.
What will you use instead?
04:28
I provide an Expression class, and it shall have a Type member that shall give the type of the expression
e.g. decltype(expr) == Expression(expr).Type.
And Expression's ctor is magic?
yep
it's part of the compile-time reflection magic doodah stuff
of course, it's not particularly "magic" in that you could simply build the expression expr manually. But that would be horrifically verbose.
I see. I'm not sure I like the added verbosity, though. I guess I could build a decltype function myself?
yeah
nothing wrong with decltype(Expression x) { return x.Type; }
But then I need to write decltype(Expression(...)), no?
04:33
no
Expressions are automatically expressionated?
yes
there are two points of Expression: one is to represent expressions for the purposes of reflection and code generation and shit, and the other is for conditional expression evaluation
stuff like log(Expression x) { if (some_compiletime_condition) log(x.eval()); }
Oh, that's awesome. It's the lazies.
04:35
can be called as just log(2 + 2); and guarantee non-evaluation if not necessary
yeah
I haven't decided the final API for them
or some of the others
but Expression is no more magic than, say, Type, Function or Statement.
although the grammar prevents you from being able to say log(Statement s) {} log(continue);
but you can say shit like t := Type( type { public: x := int(); } );
or f := Function(function(y) { shit; });
> This time, decades later with the budget and place Ridley Scott occupied, I assumed the greek metaphor alluded at the creation aspects of the HPL book. I believe I am right and if so, as a fan, I am delighted to see a new RS science fiction film, but this will probably mark a long pause -if not the demise- of ATMOM.
Arragh. I hate Prometheus.
I have no interest in Alien, nor any of it's derivatives.
There's still no At the Mountains of Madness on the big screen because of that crap.
I have no idea what that is
It's a story by H.P. Lovecraft.
04:41
never read anything by him
Also, Universal decided to release Battleship instead of ATMOM too.
I hate Hollywood in general, basically.
Fuckers.
they are going the way of triple-A gaming
the big studios are dying because the cost of making movies is too big and the risk is too much
and the smaller independent studios who can make on a budget and take creative risks are flourishing
@DeadMG Well, if you're not a fan of horror you probably won't like it.
Though HPL's horror has close to nil violence.
eh
nothing can be as horrifying as reading the curriculum of my upcoming 3D graphics exam
because unlike HPL's creations, that shit actually exists
@ScottW It has a really great ambient, but writing sucks.
That guy from Lost had a hand in the writing, so it should be clear why it sucks.
04:45
David Lindelof
actually, it mostly sucks because they altered it from being "Alien prequel" to "Alien prequel with god-as-alien-dick" to "Stargate remix".
and didn't make their minds up until after they shot like half the film
@DeadMG Stargate?
@RMartinhoFernandes The original film.
it's the same basic plot
pretty much is
"Humanity discovers evidence that aliens are actually responsible for many important elements of human history. Humanity goes to alien planet XYZ to meet said alien. Said alien turns out to be kind of a dick and wants to destroy humanity. Alien is successfully prevented by humanity."
insert a few deaths amongst redshirts representing "Humanity" from alien weapons and you've got both Prometheus and Stargate.
Meh, that's too abridged. There's a lot more going on in Prometheus than in Stargate.
04:49
like what?
Ok
If anything, I'd say it's a lot more like ATMOM than Stargate. Which is exactly why ATMOM didn't happen :(
Your mom sucks donkey cock.
has an entire section dedicated to the Stargate verse, lol
did one used facebook's folly already?
I just had a quick look at the code.
05:01
@DeadMG The precursors of Prometheus aren't really neglectful though.
I wonder if it's possible to use it with VC++
@RMartinhoFernandes I know. Was just linked there from AbusivePrecursor.
> Ancient peoples lived in a very dangerous world. Their gods were rarely nice. Often, they were vicious bastards.
lol
05:55
3 weeks of Anime to catch up on... my parents are gonna kill me when they realize that I'm hogging all the bandwidth.
06:18
that reminds me
time to pirate Firefly and Jericho
@Abyx I think making it work with windows will be a community effort.
Facebook probably doesn't have much interest in making a Windows build.
@ScottW Lol.
 
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07:52
I like electronic music but I've grown tired of Skrillex-style dubstep really fast. I think it is because the music lacks soul. This is a unexpected conclusion. Because I never thought of electronic music as being soulful. So this means that the electronic music that I do like must have some soulfulness. And that's great!
And my dad finally caught me hogging all the internet... :(
You were being too greedy.
It's like the game of go. If try to take too much you can end up losing everything.

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