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15:00
@sehe Noo, way too helpful ^^
@KonradRudolph More context? Wanted name length?
@KonradRudolph Bio++.
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't think he was well known at the time of that film, so don't beat yourself up.
it’s really more intended to be a “company” prefix
@Cicada No, and short.
@KonradRudolph I want 10% share
15:00
I love how this chat can go from butt loads to jurassic park to SLJ
@CatPlusPlus Taken as well. And sucks ^^ (the library, that is)
@KonradRudolph Use a cool hipster name that has nothing to do with the product, like "Hair", "Asparagus" or "Sigmund Freud".
@Pubby needs the forward declaration
15:01
Everyone loves NG
@Cicada Point is, it’s not a company, I just need a unique package prefix for my stuff
@EtiennedeMartel Siggi
Damn, I need a 3rd monitor just so I can have this up while I code.
@Drise Granted, the leap from butt loads to Jurassic Park is a stretch, but you can't deny the power that is Samuel L. Jackson.
I think I’ll go with goo
@KonradRudolph skyr.com
Damn.
15:01
@KonradRudolph Aevum
@awoodland I tried that but then the class needs to be declared earlier :S
It starts with ae -> it's perfect
@Pubby So? Do it.
@Pubby yeah so you forward declare the class first!
(I answered btw)
But that didn't work cause he's passing by value
15:02
@Pubby It works.
so i'm off
bye
See you ~
@EtiennedeMartel Ugh. I read that as “hairy products”. Contextual expectation
@Pubby You can declare functions taking arguments by value of incomplete types.
Hairy products sounds disturbing
15:03
In Scholastic philosophy, the aevum (also called aeviternity) is the mode of existence experienced by angels and by the saints in heaven. In some ways, it is a state that logically lies between the eternity (timelessness) of God and the temporal experience of material beings. It is sometimes referred to as “improper eternity”. The word aevum is Latin, originally signifying “age”, “aeon”, or “everlasting time”;; the word aeveternity comes from the Medieval Latin neologism aeviternitas. The concept of the aevum dates back at least to Albertus Magnus’s treatise De quattuor coaequaevis. It...
Uh? ^^
It's a common misconception (I had that too until GN).
Oh, it does. I tried that earlier and it didn't work for some reason. Dunno what I did wrong.
@EtiennedeMartel Also, shouldn’t the domain be skyr.im?
> Durée de la vie, temps de la vie, la vie.
agitare (agere, degere, exigere) aevum.
passer le temps, vivre.
@awoodland you're too fast :)
15:04
@Cicada Hein?
@sehe your example was more complete than mine though
assuming Konrad understands frog
@KonradRudolph Now that you've shared that, in 10 years time, every open source package is going to include aevum in it.
Now we have to find a new one. Ugh!
@EtiennedeMartel Latin - French vocabulary
goo sounds fitting … “Green goo” (and the Wikipedia article is completely unrelated and unhelpful)
15:06
Any combination of letters is just fine, imo
Just look at xkcd
@KonradRudolph I prefer gray goo.
Golden goo. Goold.
@Drise No just pick your priorities. Chat runs well when maximized
@sehe That's why I need a 3rd monitor.
15:07
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Q: Assigning and using public variables in a class

user1372448I have a class ABC in C++ .h class file. .h file #ifndef PAIR_H_ #define PAIR_H_ class ABC { public: int x; int y; } #endif .cpp file //----- Empty ----------- Main program .cpp int main() { ABC a1; a1.x=5; a1.y=2; cout<<a1.x; Error during compiling in Eclipse: symbols not foun...

Call it "prout".
It's amazing how people look at the log, pick one line at random and then proclaim "THIS IS TEH ERRORZ".
@EtiennedeMartel I +1 that
Gray goo is boring, that’s never gonna happen. Green goo on the other hand, real possibility
@RMartinhoFernandes Operative word: declare (a.o.t. define)
15:08
@RMartinhoFernandes I think that in general nanobots are far too complicated to ever become important. Bioengineering is already much further along
@Drise What would you need the other two for?
@KonradRudolph But they are robots!
Organics > Synthetics. Suck on that.
@sehe Coding and misc. I am working you know.
@EtiennedeMartel We'll see!
15:09
@KonradRudolph The first "nanobots" will be bacteria with a programmed dna sequence.
I personally hate that C++ has both "struct" and "class"
that's so superfluous
@KonradRudolph They say the first baby-to-live-"forever" is already alive, do you believe that?
@EtiennedeMartel What about synthetic organics?
@JohannesSchaublitb it's compatibility
@KonradRudolph gunk --
15:09
@Abyx to what?
@JohannesSchaublitb to C
@RMartinhoFernandes You mean cyborgs? Hmmm.
@Neil Not sure what you mean by “programmed DNA sequence” but we already have bioengineered bacteria to produce stuff for us
@Abyx C has no "class" keyword
@EtiennedeMartel Or bioengineered life.
15:10
or you suggest to use only struct ?
@Cicada That was probably Aubrey de Gray talking. I’d love to believe that but it’s almost complete bunk
@KonradRudolph I've read some catastrophic scenarios by Joël de Rosnay and it's a bit scary
@Abyx why not use struct?
@sehe Correction. Code in monitor 1 as answer to monitor 2. SO Question in monitor 2. Chat in monitor 3.
he’s too wishy-washy on the science
15:10
@KonradRudolph True, but our control is severely limited. We can add genes which encourage them to behave in specific ways.
@JohannesSchaublitb bcoz it's not named "class" ;)
@Drise pretty hardcore bro
@Neil That’s how DNA works
@Drise Could have fooled me :)
@JohannesSchaublitb Isn't it for C compat?
15:11
However, we can't say, bioengineer a bacteria to produce petrolium
@Drise that monitor still working?
@awoodland It is. Chat is sitting on it right now.
@Neil We can, we do, we have
@EtiennedeMartel Calibri.ttf, I BET
15:12
What.
QUE-OUA?
Chat is not sitting. Chat is up.
Damn, and I thought for sure that would be starbait.
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CRISS DE BANANE
Chat is not up...
@Cicada *Criss
15:12
Chat is sitting up
I did get a pretty awesome onebox for it though lol
@KonradRudolph What I was referring to was a bacteria you could program with visual studio and with a special device, have them be created with the dna translated equivalent of your program
Only admins can do oneboxes
@sehe chat is spitting up?
@Neil Yes, we have that, it’s called BioBricks
it’s obviously still in its infancy
15:13
@JohannesSchaublitb Funny, the guy who only comes in to ask "What's up" tells us "Chat is not up"
@Drise Breaking up
@KonradRudolph So what if we make a bacteria that say, LOVES (<- note the slight emphasis) very common materials. We're fucked?
@KonradRudolph Link?
Clever!
but the fundamental stuff is there. We take functional modules and put them together using a program, then this program creates a vector that we transfect into bacteria
@Cicada Love is always good.
15:15
@RMartinhoFernandes You're a robot, you're not supposed to say that.
@sehe how am I the guy who only comes in to ask "What's up"? I don't remember that
@Cicada He passed the Turing test. He's okay.
bacteria speak through molocules
Pretty sure they have moths actually
Molocules are the constituent pieces of the cruel god Moloch.
15:16
some even have a motor
Nov 21 '10 at 11:46, by Johannes Schaub - litb
what's up guys?
@KonradRudolph I'd like to see that kind of thing continue. I think that is going to radically change the world
Here’s a programmed bacterium that is used to detect toxins in water: kurzweilai.net/…
@sehe i'm pretty sure I said something else in that chat session
@Neil It is, and maybe in surprisingly short term
15:17
@KonradRudolph they just took existing bacterium and modified it
just like a script kiddy takes existing virus and modifies them. they still don't know how to create own life forms
@Cicada We’re fucked, yes. Luckily, all those bio-engineered bacteria so far have a simple safeguard built in, so they are harmless outside their lab environment (= they die)
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A: Assigning and using public variables in a class

Tornadocould you please post all includes in your main as well as the complete error message?

Downvote time!
@KonradRudolph that gene that makes stuff fluoresce is rather handy
@JohannesSchaublitb Just like you’re taking existing bits and modifying them, no?
What if they die in a nuclear explosion?
15:18
@JohannesSchaublitb Does it matter?
that’s what programming means ;)
@KonradRudolph You mean scientists built an anti escape system?
@JohannesSchaublitb That's how everything works.
@awoodland Eh, that’s always the big excitement, but it’s actually a rather old hat
You take existing clay and make houses out of them.
15:18
@Cicada Erm? Yes, of course. You should know that.
@KonradRudolph What if they mutate? (And no, I'm still a student you know!)
If the bacteria can't replicate, even if it does what we want, it'd be pretty useless in most contexts
@Drise less than 50 rep so can't comment everywhere yet
@awoodland Bah! That was quite irksome, I remember that.
Though it might be worth bioengineering a weakness into these things, else you risk that it grows out of control
15:20
@Cicada Ok, so all lab e coli requires a specific nutrition medium to survive. If they escape, they die.
They can’t really mutate out of this impasse, since in their normal environment there’s no evolutionary pressure to do so
What if you inject pure evil into them?
in my next life I have my own set of bacteria that clean my rooms
@KonradRudolph The probability is non-zero however, right? Probably very low I assume?
do you think creating a headless port of WebKit would take longer than a few days? by headless, I mean that the port would ignore all UI-focused features and simply render the DOM
@KonradRudolph If they die easily, you are severely limited to the capabilities of these things. So highly likely, they'd be made to be more resistent.
15:21
random changes would need to accumulate across thousands of generations in just the right order, without any disturbance, and without any guidance. And that’s evolutionarily pretty unlikely
@kmore 6 to 8 weeks.
@KonradRudolph > pretty unlikely
That's what I wanted to read
@kmore I thought such a thing existed already
@Cicada The probability that I get hit by a meteorite RIGHT THIS INSTANT is nonzero
and vastly bigger than that of the bacteria acquiring the required mutation
If Konrad stops replying, we know what happened.
15:21
@KonradRudolph Actually it's zero.
@KonradRudolph I know I know. The possibility that I suddenly turn into a teapot is non zero, too.
@RMartinhoFernandes what makes that so unusually complex?
@kmore Oh, that was a joke.
@awoodland not conveniently. chromium has a decent port of webkit, though
15:22
@Neil Well now it is, since the instant has passed.
owell it's a fascinating field anyway
@KonradRudolph Yes, you've collapsed the probability wave by proving you're still alive.
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A: The Many Memes of Meta

Robert CartainoMeme: 6 to 8 Weeks Originator: Jeff Atwood First Heard: May 13th, 2008 Cultural Height: In about 6 to 8 weeks Definition: The time estimate given "off the top of my head" when the Stack Overflow team has only a vague idea of how long a task will take because they have little-to-no formal sche...

@RMartinhoFernandes oh, sorry, I'm a little slow today
Chromium just uses WebKit, it's not a port.
15:23
Unless you're a robot!
@CatPlusPlus webkit refers to it as a port.
Also headless engines already exist.
@Neil Robots can be alive too!
he doesn't have to die from a meteorite hitting his head
15:23
the meteorite may be made out of gum or something.
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@awoodland thanks
@RMartinhoFernandes There's a non-zero chance that he was killed by a meteorite and that a robot is imitating him as we speak!
@JohannesSchaublitb Then he would die asphyxiated in gum. You're mean.
point being, the risk of genetically engineered e. coli escaping from a (or factory) has effectively been reduced to a much lower standard than most (all?) other industrial disasters
15:25
@JohannesSchaublitb Hard to imagine a conversation leading up to that phrase in my entire lifetime, but somehow you managed it. Congrats.
"from a (or factory)" parse error.
@RMartinhoFernandes i think that's got a name. Raylacing or something
@KonradRudolph Would we be really fucked tho? I mean, if we make a bacteria that loves oxygen up to the point it consumes the entire atmosphere, then why doesn't it naturally exist already?
@JohannesSchaublitb Nope, doesn't look like that's a real thing. Evidence.
15:27
@RMartinhoFernandes Not on tv tropes, not real.
@Cicada Because oxygen is not the entire atmosphere!
@Cicada Short answer, there are limits to what bacteria can do
Why do people insist on not putting spaces in their code?
@RMartinhoFernandes ah it's Necklacing
int because = itsUnreadable ( );
15:28
@Cicada contrived example is contrived.
Nice catch
@Cicada but int because=itsUnreadable(bool,int,string); is better?
no
int because = itsUnreadable(a, b, c);
People are stupid and can't grasp the simple principles behind code formatting.
That's why.
15:29
Thank you Cat, lol.
internet needs to work on its <sarcasm> tag.
keep multiple assignments aligned
Also, #pragma once vs #ifdef guards?
@Drise google it, this is an old debate
Ell
Ell
#ifdef
15:29
@SamDeHaan you too <3
@SamDeHaan Mine's deprecated. :(
@JohannesSchaublitb Nope, not real either.
I want a #pragma twice.
@RMartinhoFernandes stupid website xD
@Cicada I think I have, and it didn't do much to convince me either way.
@RMartinhoFernandes But it could be. And it could be whatever you want it to be. You only have to make the page.
15:30
@RMartinhoFernandes You're masochistic
The main argument against #pragma once is its "not portable" but all major compilers support it nowadays
@Cicada no.
the main argument is "it's nebulous"
How vague
As in, comes from a nebula?
The argument itself is unintillegible
15:32
how exactly does it work? the #ifdef way ,you at least exactly know how it works
Uh
Well
I don't understand the question lol
@JohannesSchaublitb Make it work exactly like the #ifdef way with guaranteed unique names. There, done.
@Cicada vague/nuage - not quite the same?
@Cicada No, we probably wouldn’t. Catastrophes are usually overstated. The anti-GM lobby has been conjuring one horror scenario after the next, yet none of them have occurred. The big problem is that we don’t know how large the influence on the ecosystem would be
@RMartinhoFernandes bad
@JohannesSchaublitb i believe it should use hash of file contents
because there is no "#pragma once end"
It covers the entire file.
@JohannesSchaublitb Precisely
It only has to hash file path.
15:33
That's the goal of pragma
That's the #ifdef way.
@Cicada But the point about oxygen can be answered pretty easily: oxygen is actually fucking toxic for cells, so consuming more than absolutely necessary to burn fuel is a very bad idea
@RMartinhoFernandes does not work if you #include the file into itself before #pragma once
so that’s never a problem
@JohannesSchaublitb we don't need it
15:34
The only hard part is symlink resolving.
@CatPlusPlus does that work with hardlinks?
but a plastic-eating bacterium? Huh. :)
@JohannesSchaublitb You don't do that the #ifdef way either.
Plus, if you want that kind of thing, fall back to #ifdef.
But with the #ifdef way you know that it will then recursively include itself
with your #pragma once it seems that even the most prominent SO fans of it don't know
It's bad enough that we have to explicitly state #pragma once. Include guards are stupid and obnoxious.
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15:35
@JohannesSchaublitb So?
we need modules
That's never been a problem for C++.
We need a better language.
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you could write without them at all if you were careful and disciplined enough
include guards are fine.
15:35
@CatPlusPlus D ?
No half work: Z
@Abyx Schizo type system.
Delphi!
Double meh.
15:36
that's just Pascal
isn't it dead yet?
@JohannesSchaublitb but it starts with D
Delphi is to Pascal as Visual C++ is to C++ I think
@awoodland no.
Delphi is a dialect of Pascal.
It was called Object Pascal originally.
15:37
it's alive in my heart
@Abyx So.. you're saying it's like a parasite?
@Neil it's useful parasite
You don't have permission to access "http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/th_UndeadHorse.png" on this server.
just copy/paste the link, or block the referrer :)
15:39
Wow, really.
(Must resist meme opportunity.)
lolguy.jpg
@melak47 do they support https?
@awoodland I have no clue
I'm going to the shop now. I need food.
And possibly notfood, too.
15:41
that would force browsers not to send a referrer
well, let's try
Oh it needs to be the other way aroud
so chat would have to be https for it to not send referrer
doesnt look like they support https anyway
How are you getting the image address anyway?
15:42
Unless you're looking at the page source, you're not guaranteed to have the true address
I see that question has finally been made to stick, got up votes, and a good answer
I didn't get any link
@thecoshman which one?
@thecoshman there's a reason the user stopped trying to delete it though
15:44
@Neil Erm, my browser has an option to get the image URL.
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Q: VS2011 code analysis

leavingSOI recently installed the VS2011 beta to get a feel for the new C++11 features Microsoft had implemented in the latest release of their compiler. I've had an unexpected problem when going back to use VS2010 though. I've opened a Windows SDK 7.1 sample project in VS2010. Now when I build in VS20...

@RMartinhoFernandes Try to post the pic then
how does he have 1 rep?
@Neil I did. It doesn't work. That's what people were discussing.
@Drise He's suspended.
@RMartinhoFernandes That's why I was trying, because I was curious. What is your point?
15:47
I don't have one. I was just saying that we do have the true address.
@RMartinhoFernandes Ok, I'm missing something.. What happened with that?
It's just that the server refuses to serve the image in certain circumstances.
@Drise Shit hit the fan. It's in chat from this morning. chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=4026088#4026088
@RMartinhoFernandes Thanks
Maybe a dumb question but is anyone here using Visual Studio 2012?
I know a guy who does
15:54
I'm trying to figure out how to hide inherited styles in the dom explorer, it's so annoying to pull them in all the time.
@RMartinhoFernandes Holy shit, yea. That would get annoying.
@ZachReed atm im still on the 11 beta, that close enough?
@melak47 Yeah, do you know how to hide inherited styles in the dom explorer?
the what now? :S
Lol, buying an SO account?
15:57
check the end date on the notice on that user's account
The inherited css styles
when you use the debug dom explorer
isn't it illegal to sell SO accounts?
I don't know about illegal, but against the ToS probably
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Q: Chat search is broken again

R. Martinho FernandesI can't perform a search on chat for something I said. It just takes forever, and after forever has passed, the 500 lolcat pops up. Here's an example: http://chat.stackoverflow.com/search?q=chat+search+sucks&user=46642&room=10. If I search without limiting it to something I said, like h...

@ZachReed sorry, no clue.
15:59
Can anyone confirm this is reproducible?
@RMartinhoFernandes first link in his question is surely taking forever to load

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