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9:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Same goes with milk!
 
oh, Guiness has some magical powers, just a pint a day for a few days and sweet holy hell I can't even stand my own gas
 
void*&? I asked a question about that before :)
 
@EtiennedeMartel Any template<class anyFood> when consumed in hellish amounts, will wreck your digestive system.
 
What's the ESB stand for? that fullers beer?
 
I don't think I did that right.
 
9:01 PM
@Pubby Yep, void no type information, no * no ++. move it on to meta. Sorry that was very rude. Link the Q instead.
 
@ScarletAmaranth For some reason there isn't a good 720p version yet :( Only this one. Which apparently has sucky subs.
 
@StackedCrooked Why the need for 720 :) ?
 
I really need to not click random links while at work.
 
@thecoshman i've no idea
 
@CaptainGiraffe What?
 
9:02 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Because I'm a spoiled person with a very large monitor?
 
Large monitors are for jerks
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Brainfuck FTFY
 
@StackedCrooked s/monitor/40\" tv/
 
@thecoshman Extra Special Bitter
 
@Node oh, so it's just 'Fulllers ESB'?
 
9:03 PM
Now, I want to drink beer.
 
any way, time for a bit of TV with the misses
 
@thecoshman What? You fixed nothing. All you did was post profanity on the chat.
 
But I'm at work.
 
@thecoshman Yeah, its on the tap as ESB
 
Now, I've been drinking beer.
 
9:03 PM
@Pubby We are miles down the road, please make a proper question, or link it.
 
 
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Q: Constant reference to void* pointer

PubbyI want to alias a void* variable so I can use it with another name. This would mean I could set pointer (p) to something, and the aliased variable (pp) would also be set to same adress. For instance: class foo { private: static void* p; //I just happen to need this for static variable ...

 
@EtiennedeMartel cheeky naggin will fix ya up
 
I want an IPA.
 
@Node huh, I'll have to keep an eye out for it, don't think we get Fullers in Ireland
@EtiennedeMartel not a big fan of IPA
any way, later guys
 
9:05 PM
@Pubby The answer is good, but Bjarne just ordered a revolving casket.
 
@Ell Any luck with ceil?
 
Ell
@Drise yeah, got it working now, thanks :)
 
Don't be ceilly.
 
@Pubby In c++ it is a goal to assign a type to all concepts. A struct with two void pointers is a no win.
 
@CaptainGiraffe I'd disagree with that general statement. Some things are just functions. (My nitpick does not apply to his case)
 
9:08 PM
alias<void()>*?
 
@CaptainGiraffe But in BASIC there are no types and it is higher level than C++
 
@Pubby sure it has types
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Is that legal c++? I've never heard of alias<type>
 
@Pubby Trolling has to be made in a jocular manner.
 
:)
 
9:09 PM
@Drise Given an appropriate definition of alias, yes.
 
@MooingDuck I do in no way shape or form exclude functions from that "type". But I understand where you are coming from.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes What did you use to blog that blog
 
@Pubby GitHub pages. Some jekyll thingy. Sources here: github.com/rmartinho/rmartinho.github.com
 
I want to make an Exploding Murderzone
 
9:13 PM
References to void pointers. That's just gold.
 
Why did Ubuntu Gnome decide it was a good idea to call their sticky notes "Tomboy Notes"?
 
Recipe for explosions.
 
(removed)
 
aaargh y my sha-2 no work
 
Stop removing posts!
 
user457812
9:16 PM
You need to sacrifice a goat.
 
I guess someone just got a new privilege?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Big brother is watching
 
user457812
More likely they are just removing their own posts.
 
The line between utter stupidity and great sarcasm is rather thin on SO.
 
Are you being sarcastic?
 
9:17 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Don't worry, I'm a Party member.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I am too, I'm in the higher circle.
I hate that the internet has been given to a few
It is google, facebook and nothing else matters
 
I hate that the internet has been given to so many (morons)
 
reddit is another example
 
I want my own Internet, that only I can use.
 
RobotNet?
 
9:21 PM
That would be awesome.
Or boring.
 
No love for good ole' SO @CaptainGiraffe?
 
user457812
I want some coffee mugs with animals fucking on 'em.
 
What about XKCD?
 
We are alone here on SO still
 
9:21 PM
If you don't like the internet then go to deeper
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Command & Conquer?
 
Extranet.
 
user457812
@Pubby Deeper == porn industry?
 
Going Deep with Kassem G.
2
 
9:22 PM
@DomagojPandža +1
 
@nil Well kinda. Deep web is full of CP and hitmen.
 
user457812
So the internet is built on horror. Got it.
 
Most of my surfing, I do with my own ip4 adress, my browser is easily trackable
 
Speaking of hitmen, what the fuck is going on with Hitman: Absolution? Killer latex nuns? What?
 
user457812
Lovecraft was right, it's only a matter of time before we summon eldritch abominations and end up madly painting Pickman's model.
 
9:24 PM
@DomagojPandža Sounds kinky.
 
It is kinky. Have you seen the trailer?
 
Not yet.
Linky?
 
user457812
Speaking of kinky, I should eat lunch.
 
WTF?
 
9:24 PM
They're hot. But no. That's not Hitman. And I'm weird.
 
I want my country's government to legislate that my personal data is theirs, my IP is mine.
 
@DomagojPandža Agree, I didn't really like the look of the trailer.
 
Lol, I completely missed the "want want"
Quick! two minute rule!
 
user457812
I'd prefer a gameplay trailer.
 
@Drise =) thanks, seconds.
 
9:28 PM
I'm sure that gameplay will be nice, as usual. But I fail to see the context of this trailer. Looks like a parody.
 
I figured I went through the trouble of starring it, it at least should be done properly.
 
@Drise =)
 
@DomagojPandža Flesh sells.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Depends on where it is #included.
 
Yeah, they're probably counting on the scandalous nature of the trailer to propagate it even further, even if it costs them the respect of the existing fanbase.
 
9:33 PM
I mean, seriously, would flesh::sell be so cost effective if it was #included at the end of a (program) body?
 
btw, Martinho, I had another thought about that length thing
I've been thinking about merging the subtrees of each length
 
gooooood afternoon
 
(which is, for reference, virtually all of it)
that way, I can search all 55 byte lengths in one go
 
Ok, I think I'm going to head home now. good day folks.
And thank you for the much needed entertainment.
 
and have almost O(1) time on the extra lengths
 
9:36 PM
And @DeadMG I meant no offense in my previous statements. I was just having fun. :D
 
I stole a bamboo stick from my boss. I wonder if I might get some flak for that.
 
user457812
Is your boss 12 or younger? If so, he or she'll care.
 
user457812
Kids are very protective of their smacking sticks.
 
@nil Depends on the plans you had for that bamboo stick, or what you've done with it in the past
if your favourite memory is spanking your wife with it on your honeymoon, then you might consider it of non-trivial importance
 
user457812
This is true.
 
user457812
9:40 PM
Why would you keep it in your office though?
 
user457812
Unless Etienne broke into the boss's house and stole it. I guess that's possible.
 
My boss is sick today, and the stick was just lying on his desk. But when he comes in tomorrow, he might get angry. I doubt it though.
 
yay for making a more effective constant folder
 
10:02 PM
it's midnight
 
@CheersandhthAlf not here
 
well, it's midnight in norway
gmt
i think
TIL: RBL
 
which is, real-time blacklisting
 
CSS should be renamed MESS, because that's what it is.
 
10:06 PM
i wonder, can folks who live with others enjoy eating a can of baked beans in tomato sauce?
 
I love beans in tomato sauce, as long as they aren't Java beans.
 
uh, I expect so
 
Anything sufficiently messy is Turing complete
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Hi all. No mumble for me today - everyone already left and I'm sleepy. Well, I'm slowly getting past sleepy which I'd like to avoid today. For your out-of-context-quoting entertainment:
Yeah, I am seeing a lot of drawbacks at doing it "by-hand". :-( — zlogdan 3 hours ago
And sleep well
 
@sehe No chess today :( ? The gauntlet has been dropped!
 
10:15 PM
Ah so that is the context in which 'gauntlet' made sense :)
@Drise I failed to derive any meaning from this cached stuff (looks like 7bit ascii encoding of compressed flash stuff to me). All I can say is "That's one heck of a site for a bible hobby club" and "What are you investigating that site so thoroughly for" :)
 
Like, when you had "knights" and armors and all that nonsense and one challenged the other for a fencing duel or jousting duel, they would literally take off their "gauntlet" so that's where i think it comes from.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Erm, just return it? Or did you accidentally do something irreversible to it?
@ScarletAmaranth Great. I never bothered to look that one up. I think I had encountered it first in Doom or something and since then, somehow the word gets associated with waterfalls in my mind. It's nice to see how the brain workses fails
 
@sehe Random fact of the day brought to you by Scarlet Amaranth :P
 
I have a quick postgresql question :) -indexes stuff-, any ninja is listening?
 
I'd have to wiki search gauntlet to re-prime the word with better associations, but that would counteract my bedward inclinations
@Dario Try, if it is < 3 lines
 
10:20 PM
@Dario if it isn't a two word answer or less, ask SO.
 
@sehe I certainly don't want to know anything about your "bedward inclinations"!! :)
 
user457812
I would like to set coders who call themselves ninjas on fire. Also wizards, samurais, rockstars, and so on.
 
@nil Irrrelevant
 
user457812
Everything is irrelevant
 
@ScarletAmaranth Actually of yesterday. But the extension is warranted since (1) 24 hours did not pass (2) you brought it up with new valid reason
 
10:21 PM
 
user457812
I'd ask what that's got to do with C++, but I already said everything is irrelevant, so I have doomed myself.
 
Gauntlet is a name for several different styles of glove, particularly those with an extended cuff covering part of the forearm. Gauntlets exist in many forms, ranging from flexible fabric and leather gloves, to mail and fully articulated plate armour. Types Armour Historically, gauntlets were used by soldiers and knights. It was considered an important piece of armour, since the hands and arms were particularly vulnerable in hand-to-hand combat. With the rise of easily reloadable and effective firearms, hand-to-hand combat fell into decline along with personal armor, including ga...
much better
 
it's about designing a index to optimize a query with "Where asimplecolumn in ANY(1,2,3,4,5)"
 
@Dario +1 the question, for one
 
@sehe: thank you bro
 
10:24 PM
I'm with Mike:
 
it's interesting, I haven't imagined an elegant solution for that SO question... I'm astonished...
it's like a puzzle :)
 
It probably believes doing a sequential scan of the table is faster than re-scanning the index for each ID in the IN clause. Unless the table is very large and the specified type_ids are a small fraction of the data, it's probably right. — Mike Christensen 28 mins ago
 
yeah, you guys, probably are right... maybe using a composed index using more columns of the query will make using the index more efficient
 
I think the thing is that ID is integral, and the optimization used it 'bitmap index scan': i.e. it will scan the index for some kind of bitmap key of all target ids in the constraint? Perhaps you can just make it a proper subquery instead
 
did you check the EXPLAIN ANALYZE, Sehe?
pastebin.com/Xq3kjmNg
 
10:26 PM
@Dario Yes see my 'analysis' guess ^
 
@sehe: a proper subquery :O?
@sehe: may you elaborate, please?
 
@Dario So instead of saying Where ticket.type_id in ( 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 ) you join on ticket_types table (optionally in a subquery having the where clause). There is a chance that performance gets worse, but the join will definitely use the indexes
 
@sehe "The gauntlet" will remain dropped until you accept the challenge :)
 
@ScarletAmaranth Do you chess much? I haven't played it in years. And I never came round to actually learning the game proper. So, I just know the rules, and when I'm on a roll I can happen on a decent game.
For the rest of the time, petty tactics catch me out and I lose in indignified ways
 
@sehe Not really, I sometimes play with an old friend, but that's pretty much it. Also I taught chess myself.
 
10:32 PM
:)
 
So there's no "formal training" in my head :P
 
Well - I'd like to take you up on that someday. But it is definitely bedtime for me now
 
Although I did read a book called "My System" by Nimzowitch, it's interesting how chess players see the world.
 
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
 
10:33 PM
@sehe: it seems to improve a bit, check the new execution plan pastebin.com/Px5SnCpN
 
(He's a chess player, the book is kinda about chess, very interesting stuff.)
 
@ScarletAmaranth Is that the "grandmasters see 'hunks'" idea?
 
@sehe: do you see the seq scan in lotterydetail? i wonder why it does it....
 
@ScarletAmaranth Yeah, I know the name Nimzowitch. I believe he has the N. Indian opening named after him?
 
@sehe Well, there's a guy that the movie "Searching for Bobby Fischer" was about (Not Bobby himself although i can't recall what his name is) and he talked a lot about how chess helped him to learn martial arts, it's real interesting.
@sehe Yeah there's a couple openings named after him as far as I know, although I only know that "Nimzowitsch defense" is Nc6 after E4, that's it :)
 
10:36 PM
@Dario Sorry, didn't get that far. Just blurted my transformation from where FK in () to JOIN (subquery), because, basically I have no clue how to provide optimizer hints in Postgress. Google might help you with those keywords.
@ScarletAmaranth Never thought of a pedestrian move like Nc6 as a 'defense' before.
 
@sehe Maybe I'm wrong!, sec
 
@sehe: thank you bro, you helped me a lot :)
 
@sehe I'm not going to do that.
 
:This article is about the opening moves 1.e4 Nc6. For the more common 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 see Nimzo-Indian Defence. The Nimzowitsch Defence is a somewhat unusual chess opening characterised by the moves: :1. This opening is an example of a hypermodern opening where Black invites White to occupy the centre of the board at an early stage with pawns. Black's intent is to block or otherwise restrain White's central pawns and, if allowed to do so by inaccurate play by White, eventually undermine the White pawn centre by well-timed pawn advances of his own or by attacking the White...
Yeah should be correct.
 
I'm very busy with my "work", my piece of art.
 
10:38 PM
@sehe Although I don't know much (almost any) opening names. I know just the baselines and theory behind some of the concepts.
 
@ScottW kunst.
 
Josh Waitzkin?
 
riight
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik Kunst
 
Joshua waitzkin
 
10:39 PM
Got the spelling off imdb.com/title/tt0108065
 
Interesting guy, i think he's a grandmaster (GM chess) and also Martial arts master or something.
 
Well, actually just a bug-tracker, but I was writing the stylesheets.
 
@sehe Also the movie is stellar! STELLAR! :) The whole "chess sub-universe" would be a very nice place to live in :P
 
Anyways, I recognize a few of these terms. I know roughly what a gambit means, but wouldn't know when to play one.
@ScarletAmaranth I'll put it on my to-rent list
 
I don't think there's "when". To gambit usually means to offer material for spatial / time advantage.
 
10:40 PM
can MSVC10 return a temporary using initializer lists? If so, I can't figure out how
 
Say, 1. E4 E5 and now D4 would be a gambit since you're offering a pawn.
 
@ScottW blue. People are less aggressive in a blue environment, which may come in handy when somebody wants to submit a bug report.
 
@MooingDuck nop
 
Okay I just made that up. :P
 
@ScarletAmaranth And that's probably a bad time to play it, hence the 'when' :)
So in little time at all, I reach the elusive third charm and get to _actually_ leave the room.
Farewell
 
10:41 PM
@ScottW 70% of statistics are made-up.
 
@sehe Why is it o_O ? Not following :P
 
@ScottW geen probleem?
 
Hmm. Isn't it a strange move? Well, maybe it can work. Too late now
 
k
For the first time in my life I'm actually happy with my web design. :P
 
@sehe Well, the more common one is simply 1. D4 D5 and then C4.
@sehe that's commonly used afaik
My brain is a scumbag, it's official. It makes me repeat the same word over and over again.
 
10:45 PM
This is nice for anyone doing C#: LINQ Performance: Some Case Studies. Looks like solid stuff
 
That's a common condition.
 
@FredOverflow We've been on that topic in mumble, actually.
 
@ScottW Yup, that's called: "The Amaranth's Condition."
 
I saw Venus's shadow
 
De L'Amaranthe
 
10:46 PM
It was dark
 
@Pubby Yeah it was live on the web somehow. It looked a bit boring so I closed it early
Also Interesting:
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A: What software programming languages were used by the Soviet Union's space program?

MakseeThere's a book in Russian, German Noskin, First computers for space applications (Герман Носкин, Первые БЦВМ космического применения), ISBN 978-5-91918-093-7. The author himself participated in many early projects (mostly in hardware) and according to him analog hardware was in favor for a long...

> When the Buran program was closed they were merged into a new language Drakon (Дракон, Russian word for "Dragon") that is claimed to be be a "graphical" language having 2-dimensional descriptions of the programs and using arbitrary well-known languages for code generation
 
Ell
@sehe I swear about 10 minutes ago I read that you can't mumble because you are going to bed?
 
Oh neat, I can still read azbuka. Pats himself on the shoulder.
 
@Ell I'm not mumbling
 
10:50 PM
It's a shame space programs to date haven't really exploited advances in technology, favoring decades-old crap.
But at least the Constellation program was cancelled due to lack of ingenuity.
 
Honestly, I'm slightly against all the space shit going on when there are people who have barely anything to eat yet we're trying to get on Jupiter or wherever.
 
Yeah they still row into space. You know, it's not rocket science to come up with something a little more modern :)
@ScarletAmaranth Maybe there will be a Burger King.
 
There will always be poor people, that's not due to money going into science and space exploration, it's human nature.
 
I'm pro science and progress and everything.
 
Everyone wants to stroke their egos. Someone has to be at the bottom.
 
10:53 PM
But flying to space just doesn't seem so important to me.
 
It's a choice people made.
 
But hey, it's an opinion.
 
@DomagojPandža 'Poor' is a function of economy, not human nature.
 
Human nature is also poor.
Very poor for the 21st century.
 
By what measure? And for what purpose? What do you gain by making that claim?
 
10:54 PM
Humanity has a long way to go :)
 
If something should be ceased, it's the damn military funding.
~900 billion a year for what?
 
@ScarletAmaranth Smiley abuse
 
To find more ways to kill each other?
 
@DomagojPandža that's SO NOT gonna happen :)
Not to mention that military brought A LOT OF PROGRESS.
Hell we had Turing because someone had to crack the sodding Enigma :)
 
@DomagojPandža related (dunno if you caught that earlier):
13 hours ago, by sehe
 
10:55 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Turing did much of his work before the Enigma.
 
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A: Is C++ not suitable for OOP?

Mike DunlaveyThis kind of discussion bothers me because it sounds like exegesis, people debating the meaning of Holy Scriptute, or the American Constitution, and what the original author(s) meant, as if what we think doesn't matter. Look, Alan Kay was/is a smart guy, and he had a good idea, that rubbed up ag...

nice answer
 
@DeadMG Yeah but would it get so well known had he not been on the team that cracked it ? Would his work get so much attention ?
 
probably, yes
 
Scientists were forced by the military. They would've done the same without it. This way they just helped kill a lot of people in the progress
 
Possibly! :)
 
10:56 PM
no, almost certainly
 
You can't skip the "almost" part though :)
 
you're right, but I really don't care
 
@FredOverflow That guy is quite the deconstructionist. Isn't he also the 'manual sampling profiling' guy?
 
Ell
Technology drives countries forward
 
@DeadMG Yeah it doesn't matter :P
 
10:57 PM
military funding only paid for about two or three years of practical innovation
during WW2
 
The military only funds that which it can point and shoot.
 
and if the military wasn't being funded, it's arguable that the funds would have gone to him anyway
 
@DomagojPandža Not true, also crypto was funded a lot :)
 
Turing did much of his work, as DeadMG pointed out, before.
 
How much is an iPhone 4S in Germany?
 
10:58 PM
@DomagojPandža Los Alamos, anyone?
 
Los Alamos, Manhattan Project.
 
And we're getting NUCLEAR! :)
 
Boom boom.
 
This is the point where i take off to watch "Psych"
You kids have fun.
 
10:59 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Oh come on, don't be exactly half of an 11-pound black forest ham, now
 
Fermi, Feynman, Oppenheimer, Neumann, Ulam... So many bright people brought together by the most idiotic people.
 

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