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Alright, thanks.
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@RMartinhoFernandes thats what I'd hoped
@MooingDuck Want more confusion? Pretend we send a ship to Proxima at 0.9c (time dilation factor ~2). Assume magic, don't care of the details of accelerating to that and shit. For the flatlanders the trip will take about 4.2/0.9~=4.7 years. But the spacers will experience half that time, right? 2.35 years. How could they travel 4.2 light years in less than 4.2 years?
Time is relative, right? At least that's what Einstein said.
c is constant. Therefore, space and time must bend to protect the constancy of c.
They only travel 2.35 * 0.9 = 2.115 light years. Length contraction.
The Universe is fucked up.
16:05
LY is a spatial distance which contracts, just like an object would.
Lorentz actually first devised the mathematical side of this when he was attempting to explain the problem with M&M intereferometer.
@RMartinhoFernandes yeah, that's the puzzler I was thinking of
Is there a neat way to do: stackoverflow.com/a/10900134/168175 with C++11 variadic macros instead of boost preprocessor?
But didn't really analyze what the repercussions of his analysis were.
The really tricky thing to wrap your head around IMO is relativity of simultaneity
@awoodland Don't think so.
16:06
If you can understand that, relativity is a bit easier to intuit
Relativity of sim. is the simplest one.
It's a direct consequence of the founding postulates.
What's really cool is if wormholes are possible you can use relativity to time-travel if you can go fast enough
Specifically that light is the same for all observers no matter what the hell they're doing.
@AgainstASicilian A "bit easier", lol.
put wormhole on Earth. Put wormhole in ship. Send the ship off really fast for a long time. What now happens when you go through the wormhole, or even yet, return to Earth? >:)
16:08
You have wormholes?
Put exit wormhole on back of ship. Drop entry wormhole on Jupiter.
There, fuel!
The constancy of light was an empirical observation. Everyone was trying to change their instruments, but nobody had the balls to change their perspective and way of thinking. Our reality is always less than 900 km/h (at best if you're traveling in a jet).
@RMartinhoFernandes but what about gravity...wouldn't jupiter's gravity extend through the wormhole?
It's just human perception (or the lack there of) that is causing everyone problems.
16:09
@melak47 I don't know. If you're making up magic, which rules should you follow?
@melak47 It depends on the mechanics of a lot of stuff that doesn't even exist yet, or may not exist at all
In this scenario, you're assuming you can bend space-time at will. There's very little to go beyond that.
@RMartinhoFernandes well, assuming wormholes aren't magic, but actual regions of space/time, that means that I have no clue how gravity would act on anything. hm.
@DomagojPandža no
Our life arena is very different than the actual universal one.
or the quantum one
set compton radius = schwarzchild radius, watch the sparks fly!
@DomagojPandža we have made objects go a significant portion of C many times in our experiments and measured them
Certainly, yes.
But you haven't traveled that fast.
Nobody has.
@DomagojPandža we've also measured relativistic times on the ISS
16:12
That's why you lack the perception/intuition everyone tries to find in relativity.
@MooingDuck "objects", lol.
@MooingDuck Who is disputing that?
@DomagojPandža sounded like you were, maybe I misunderstood
@MooingDuck He was saying humans cannot perceive those things because we can't experience them first hand.
I mean a human being, we haven't traveled nowhere near as fast. That's why students and people have a hard time perceiving what things actually are like.
16:13
You can only experience them from looking at screens.
IMO quantum mechanics is far, far tougher than relativity. Even the idea of an object becomes sketchy.
If one says he understands QM, he doesn't understand QM.
paths are no longer reasonable
@DomagojPandža gotcha, I extrapolated from your original statement, which sounded like you were saying that relativistic times were merely a unproven theory that you didn't believe. I completely misunderstood, sorry :/
Don't worry about it.
16:14
@melak47 I'm assuming the classical idea of a wormhole that is an extremely bent portion of space-time. If you can place those anywhere you want (like Jupiter), you can bend space-time at will. That's pretty magic there, man. If you can do that, what can't you do?
Clarke's Third Law
explicit operator const mymembertype&() const {return p;} is valid right?
@RMartinhoFernandes bending spacetime at will..suppose that also covers anti gravity. neat. lets get on it.
@RMartinhoFernandes Any theory what causes "illegal storage class"?
16:16
Hmm. No. Can you SSCCE it?
@MooingDuck doesn't support explicit conversion operators?
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm trying to SSCCE an unrelated problem when that came up :/
Most popular science tends to go overboard with many concepts. Spacetime can only be indirectly modified. Sure, there are opportunities for manipulating spacetime, but in most of those cases the Universe is going to sneeze.
@awoodland oh, that's... very possible.
And by sneeze I mean build up temperatures that will cook you alive.
16:18
@DomagojPandža Sci-fi sells better than science.
@awoodland yup, that was it. Good psychic-ness. thanks.
You could have mentioned you were on a crippled compiler!
Microsoft Visual Crippled++.
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@RMartinhoFernandes Tell me about it, I've actually had to explain people that mass effect fields are just a game-driving joke.
Curious that it considers explicit to be a storage class though
@DomagojPandža wait, what
mass effect isn't real??
16:22
Don't ask, some actually thought that something like that was even remotely feasible. So many principles violated it hurts my ears to listen to the ingame codex.
quick q: should I use Python 2.7 or Python 3?
I love when I see that guy, Michio Kaku or something, spewing shit about science which has almost no basis in reality.
Michio Kaku, aaghhh that guy pisses me off
hehehe
@DomagojPandža Sometimes is best when they just handwave the things in than when they try to explain them.
16:23
WE CAN MAKE NANOBATTERIES AND MAKE YOU GO PEW PEW WITH LAZORS.
MAYBE THERE ARE VISITORS FROM THE FUTURE AND WE CAN'T SEE THEM CAUSE THEY MIGHT BE INVISIBLE
Star Trek Voyager is the king of nonsense technobabble.
We should override the ODN relay to bend spacetime with our deflector dish.
well much of kaku's speeches are riddled with Star Trek references
MODULATE IT TO EMIT A NARROWBAND TACHYON BEAM.
reverse the polarity!
16:24
If you tell me "Look, assume magic for this, now let's go with story." I'm ok. If you try to tell me "Look, this thing works by X and Y", I'll just try to figure out how that can be exploited for other uses, usually leading to nasty plotholes.
BUT CAPTAIN, THAT WILL ENDANGER SUBSPACE THROUGHPUT
@RMartinhoFernandes Again, Clark's Third Law
@DomagojPandža I don't care, there's coffee in that nebula!
@DomagojPandža Are you mad?! You'll ASAP us all.
16:25
Captain, our warpcore is emitting some strange noises. Sounds like cat porn.
It's like when they say the Time Travel device in Terminator only works for biomaterial but somehow the Terminator can get through because he's... covered in flesh.
It's the Borg. Red alert, all hands to battlestations. Senior staff to the bridge.
@DomagojPandža Sigh. @TonyTheLion, again?
Actually, cat nipples.
16:26
It seems like my code is causing VC++10 to attempt to use a void as an iterator, but it won't tell me where or why.
@DomagojPandža You know, on Star Trek the writers actually wrote things like "<technobabble here>" in the scripts, so that the technobabble experts could fill them in later.
@RMartinhoFernandes I thought that was an urban legend
No, it's true. They actually showed that.
@AgainstASicilian Maybe that's a safety measure for people with pacemakers!
16:27
now I understand why @CatPlusPlus sleeps so much :P
@RMartinhoFernandes I do this all the time, it pisses me off. Every time someone tries to fill in the gaps insufficiently, it bugs me way too much because I always track mistakes in it.
Dead Space is a good example, there's a hyperdrive or something, but there is no attempt of explaining it too much.
"There's an hyperdrive" is a perfectly fine explanation for me.
here's my full error log. ideone.com/85N7h Note the fact that none of the errors even mention any of my files :/ THANKS MICROSOFT.
If you really have to be scientifically plausible, take a concept that already exist and throw in something magic you found on planet X that made ship Y go.
oh wait, there's one
16:29
And stop there, everything else is painful.
stupid rubber duck
@DomagojPandža Always steal tech from the aliens. Always. Never try to understand it.
@SamDeHaan If possible, make it so the aliens don't understand it either.
@RMartinhoFernandes Why would they understand it? They just stole it from another guy. It's turtles all the way down.
@SamDeHaan It from bit
16:30
@SamDeHaan They must have some immense CLR in star trek. I mean they can run their OS on pretty much any hardware, no matter who made it, and everyone can program it with ease in seconds or minutes
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Q: overloaded global new operator issue with msvc2008

Marco PagliaricciI'm working at a my own library, and I have my own allocators. I've declared a common interface like this: class MyAllocator { public: void * allocate(size_t size); void * allocate(size_t size, size_t align); void deallocate(void *); //... }; Now, if I want to allocate C++ objects ...

@melak47 That's just a case of "Aliens speak English".
@RMartinhoFernandes Can you give a few examples of "tech" you've found exploits in?
@RMartinhoFernandes hehe
I've read tons of tropes but curious if you've found more
16:32
Independence Day was the best technical movie ever. There they are with a laptop on an alien biological mothership and manage to upload their own simple binary which cripples the shield grid and even taps into their graphical API as it drew a big skeleton head on their displays.
whoever comes in here and asks the Robot (of all people) for tropes???!!!
@AgainstASicilian It's usually always the same thing. Teleportation tech is the worst offender probably.
@DomagojPandža The biggest flaw in that movie was the ship itself. Newton's Third Law guarantees it should have been crushing everything it was hovering over when it was near Earth.
@AgainstASicilian It could be made of ultra-light unobtainium!
@RMartinhoFernandes I understand Barclay not wanting to use the transporter...I don't have a particularly strong desire to be disassembled
16:33
Also pretty much every single computer movie ever where every panel is a blinkity-blink light-spattered panel or obscure wave-wash of numbers and complex-looking diagrams
taking it to0 far as a noob :P
On top it should say:
@TonyTheLion I like how there's a Firefox running on the left.
"THE SCREEN"
@RMartinhoFernandes hadn't even noticed
16:35
I notice everything!
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For you trope lovers out there: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq9yj2pVWk
Man. Robots.
damnit, I can't fix my spelling mistake :(
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH. THIS IS SO FUCKING RETARDED.
@AgainstASicilian I like the one on Blade Runner.
16:35
And so old :')
@RMartinhoFernandes Me too XD
It's actually semi-sensible in-universe.
"I've never seen code like this."
You have an image enhancer that can bitmap?
@DomagojPandža LOL
16:36
woo! My code compiles on two compilers!
@AgainstASicilian Anyway, this one's better: youtube.com/watch?v=KUFkb0d1kbU (it's satire, just in case someone is not cultured enough to know Red Dwarf)
I'm going to make a GUI in Visual Basic, see if I can get an IP address
@DomagojPandža shitty hollywood "hacking"
"It's almost like they're trying to write a GUI interface using visual basic to track our IP address!"
lmfao UNPLUG THE MONITOR
Nobody watch this unless you wish to foam at the mouth: www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
16:38
I have to enter the computer and fight off the intruder manually.
He's in junction 5.
On Goldeneye there's a scene where Boris actually does the smart thing and unplugs his box when he notices someone is "hacking" it.
I'm invincible!
And when someone is hacking you, it is so obvious because every possible application you have starts up.
Also, multiple command prompts.
I despise the word "hacking".
@DomagojPandža Hey! I use multiple command prompts.
16:40
It's so filthy.
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh my god this is hilarious
Dear god. I was almost entertained by NCIS at one point. Never again.
IT'S MOVING TOO FAST.
major Hollywood hacking suckage
16:41
STEP ASIDE, LET ME HELP.
just type random character on the keyboard
and hope it does something :P
I'll hit Q-T, A-G, Z-V
You take the rest.
It's just like DDR, you'll get the hang of it in no time.
@AgainstASicilian Btw, the guy with the H on his head, is a hologram.
16:42
DDR?
Dance Dance Revolution?
They're implementing a bidirectional surface scattering reflectance distribution function. Oh, my god! Implement a horizontal blur over the data segment, rotate and execute.
On Red Dwarf the hologram tech actually has colors other than blue and does not have scanlines (and they didn't have the budget to make crappy holos, but well...).
<--- been playing DDR for a decade now
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uoM5kfZIQ0
16:43
@DomagojPandža who is that?
@RMartinhoFernandes but scanlines are cool! and blue is cool!
No idea. :Đ But one of the most intense technical expressions in all CSI shows:
ENHANCE.
ZOOMIFY.
> In case of the second one I would encourage you to override standart global new and access your allocator through a singleton pattern.
huh?
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Q: overloaded global new operator issue with msvc2008

Marco PagliaricciI'm working at a my own library, and I have my own allocators. I've declared a common interface like this: class MyAllocator { public: void * allocate(size_t size); void * allocate(size_t size, size_t align); void deallocate(void *); //... }; Now, if I want to allocate C++ objects ...

from here, see comment
singleton???? WTF???
@TonyTheLion Don't worry, it uses the Singleton pattern, it's probably right.
16:44
lol
@SamDeHaan yea right!
Sir, I developed a logarithm which helps small pixels reproduce.
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It should help us find the murderer.
The "logarithm" was a nice touch.
It makes it sound almost from an actual scene.
ok I"m gonna watch some nerd porn
With the right combination of algorithms...
16:46
Input algorithm #1 in slot #5
Make sure the BLT drive comes with a recursive bypass filter for the Hamiltonian eigenspaces, otherwise the inertial dampener won't be compatible with the Markov process
@AgainstASicilian gah, I was trying to find that video when this conversation started, but forgot the name "CSI" :/
@MooingDuck Your average hallway: Now complete with Hubble Space Telescopes!
I've got two words for you. Flux. Capacitor.
This matrix has a row of zeroes, but I managed to find its inverse. It should tell us how to convolve the photograph.
@DomagojPandža Did you tighten up those graphics on level three yet?
Indeed, but I need someone to help me type fast enough on my keyboard. The NCIS guys are busy.
And they've never seen code like this.
I don't think anyone's ever seen code like that.
anyone using the latest gcc?
@johnathon what do you mean by latest? 4.7?
16:52
if so would someone with the latest gcc try to compile pastebin.com/m2bFdJN4
what do you expect to happen?
Beating up a computer, classy.
@bamboon i expect it to compile without complaint
@johnathon It will yeah
@johnathon the year is/isn't backwards.
16:54
@bamboon then i wonder what iv'e got wrong with my gcc settings
@bamboon would you give me the compiler switches you used to compile it?
@johnathon which version do you have?
@bamboon 4.8
@johnathon did you forget -pthread?
@bamboon probably, i'll try that
@bamboon nope, not that, it's complaining about the future being an incomplete type
@TonyTheLion Offsite backups :Đ
16:55
@johnathon I considered it, but then I saw using namespace std; and ran away.
"all my video projects"
ahahahah
@SamDeHaan yea, i put that in there because i was having that issue, i was all about ok gcc, take this :))
@johnathon did you try it with a non-beta gcc?
@bamboon let me uninstall the beta version of gcc right fast
@johnathon oh I hope you didn't forget -std=c++0x or -std=c++11
16:58
@bamboon i dident
@johnathon then it should work
morning

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