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14:00
Notice how there's no "source" in "open standard".
Yes Cat
@Cicada Reminds me of those fanboys up at the Site du Zéro who think Python > .NET because the former is open and the latter isn't.
Your argument is invalid, is what I'm saying.
DirectX > OpenGL because I want to start a flamewar
What argument
14:00
@Cicada Oh yeah? Semantics! How you like them apples?
@CatPlusPlus what do you call a dog with no legs?
1 min ago, by Cicada
opengl's pretty much as open as directx for that matter
@stdOrgnlDave A dog. With no legs.
Yeah for the spec
@Cat's on the warpath.
@CatPlusPlus it doesn't matter 'cuz he won't come when you call him
14:01
Spec is what matters.
OpenGL is pretty much as open as DirectX regarding the specs
That's my argument
whereas a cat will screech and roll around and try to get to you but then be sad when it can't claw you
@Cicada I'm trying to program something can you tell me how to make an isLessThan<7>(4); function work?
@stdOrgnlDave That's a colorful description.
@stdOrgnlDave Use TMP?
TMP for a 1 line function?
14:02
(Or are you pulling my leg)
@Cicada oh I was just testing to see if you were more than a troll :-(
All templates are TMP, haven't you heard?
Yeah
So is C:/Windows/tmp
Or /temp
TMP doesn't exist, it's like AI
I don't know which was removed in XP
14:03
Timpu
@stdOrgnlDave Are you disappoint?
@Pubby tell that to my TMP-based bytecode interpreter
Don't ask me C++ questions. I don't know C++
@Pubby AI exists, in theory. In practice, it's just A*.
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@Cicada I am glad. just goes to prove the stereotype that girls can't program.
14:04
I can do a programming
Thrash talking up in this bitch.
Besides I wouldn't file C++ in programming
@EtiennedeMartel Na, anytime a part of AI is solved is ceases to be in AI. Forgot what it's called.
more like troll baiting
Witchcraft, yes
14:04
@Pubby Yeah, I heard about that as well.
And AI is a stupid term to begin with. It's just I. Dunno why we have to act like human intelligence is special.
@EtiennedeMartel A**, would pathfind again.
does anyone here like first person shooter-y games
Because god created us
@Pubby The difference in capabilities between human and artificial intelligences makes the distinction useful, IMO
14:05
@Pubby @DeadMG repeatedly proves that puppy intelligence is much more special
My colleague told me about this strange book he was reading where Turing's lost manuscripts were found which proved that P = NP. And somehow it led to the ability to do magic.
@CatPlusPlus I'm serious. If you can represent your problem as a graph, then you can find a weight function and run A* on that. Voila, you got a solution.
Some humans are already stupider than some AIs.
Like literal magic. Spells were just algorithms.
@EtiennedeMartel 'Tis a meme.
14:06
I know. But I don't give a shit about memes. This is about giant whales.
Here comes the robot.
Robot! Your intelligence doesn't exist! It's just A*!
Fire ze missiles.
Gah, I have to go to English class. I don't wanna. :.
@Pubby Hey, building the fucking graph is the problem.
@CatPlusPlus Do you really need to? Your English seems good enough.
14:08
Yes.
You could just get your ass to the exams and be on your way.
Unless it is an exam.
I need to pass two foreign language courses.
And one of them ends with an exam.
Silly Poles.
And I had to go to the class whole semester to be allowed to take an exam.
kurwa
14:08
And it's B2 level.
English is a terrible language.
kurwa.gif
And I'm not going to even prepare for that stupid exam.
14:09
@CatPlusPlus What's your original language if it's not English?
kurwa.exe
Polish, duh.
sbi
sbi
Now that is the thrid time I am too late. Really, that does it for today.
Duh
@CatPlusPlus Why duh?
14:09
What is that?
@SamDeHaan I'll just take that as my excuse
Who speaks Duh?
@Neil Profile!
Also what they said.
@CatPlusPlus Well your english is very good.
@Cicada trolling?
14:10
@CatPlusPlus Are all cats polish?
@thecoshman No, you're just terrible at English.
@sbi "thrid" indeed.
@EtiennedeMartel Personally, I like the South one.
@CatPlusPlus shut your're mouth
14:10
moth*
@SamDeHaan Only the awesome ones.
your're
@RMartinhoFernandes attempted funny that @Cicada got
Microsoft Kinect is also a bit about applied AI
14:11
@thecoshman Oh, nice save.
as is, for that matter, the line matching circuitry in an old-fashion phone modem
<--- AI is an area I'm well versed in but am busy atm
but that was 1960's AI
if you have questions I can answer later
14:11
@RMartinhoFernandes not really a save as I did it on purpose
@stdOrgnlDave So you're the one who builds Skynet.
auto-focus etc. is applied AI
@Neil WTF man, Tracy Jordan correcting someone's grammar?
AI is a grand word for nothing
gramer*
robot surgeons are AI
Skynet is British and it's not AI
14:12
I wrote a part of AI for a strategy game, and it didn't work.
@RMartinhoFernandes ironically, by starting with 'Nuh uh.'
@RMartinhoFernandes I thought it was pretty funny myself. :)
It's very old, so I think they just grabbed the name for the Terminator movies
@CheersandhthAlf Wat
@CheersandhthAlf citation needed
14:13
It's a network of military satellites.
Skynet is a family of military satellites, now operated by Paradigm Secure Communications on behalf of the UK Ministry of Defence, which provide strategic communication services to the three branches of the British Armed Forces and to NATO forces engaged on coalition tasks. Models Skynet 1 There were two Skynet 1 satellites; the first, launched in November 1969, failed after less than a year of operation. The apogee kick motor on the second failed, leaving it in geostationary transfer orbit. Skynet 2 Following the failure of one of the Skynet 1 satellites, the timetable for the launch o...
Well, damn.
Oh. I thought you were talking about the Terminator AI.
Trolls trolling trolls.
@CatPlusPlus I was building skynet - a few colleagues and I had cracked many of the fundamental problems - but then I burned out and found Jesus and decided it was a bad idea. hint: exocortex
@CatPlusPlus do it right man
@CheersandhthAlf Wait a sec.. Skynet really exists?
OK I'm off to play Tribes: Ascend. since it's a unique, amazing free to play online shooter, if anyone's interested in getting me some free XP LMK so I can link you myself eh?
1 min ago, by Cheers and hth. - Alf
Skynet is a family of military satellites, now operated by Paradigm Secure Communications on behalf of the UK Ministry of Defence, which provide strategic communication services to the three branches of the British Armed Forces and to NATO forces engaged on coalition tasks. Models Skynet 1 There were two Skynet 1 satellites; the first, launched in November 1969, failed after less than a year of operation. The apogee kick motor on the second failed, leaving it in geostationary transfer orbit. Skynet 2 Following the failure of one of the Skynet 1 satellites, the timetable for the launch o...
14:15
@CheersandhthAlf They know how to pick'em don't they? They might as well call their server Hal and be done with it.
@stdOrgnlDave I must try that one
^ That's the next step
I suck at T:A. :(
@Neil it's not there fault a film came along years later and used the name for a sinister robot network
Well, I sucked at Tribes 1, too.
14:16
You're a cat.
@thecoshman It's not a robot network.
But nuking all of the map was pretty neat.
@thecoshman Then it's a copyright infringement
@thecoshman "Their".
OK, I'll get referral link in 1 sec. tx
14:17
Gief
nao
Oh god, 4changlish.
@RMartinhoFernandes gtfoml
@RMartinhoFernandes skynet in terminator... ok, so viral distributed AI program
Robo doesn't like that dialect? Should try to install a lolcat compiler on you...
that language is full of osom
14:18
What's a robo? A robotic hobo?
isn't that what you are? or have you finally settled down in Canada?
Robo-hobo.
> A hobo is a migratory worker or homeless vagabond, especially one who is penniless.
I don't think anyone on 4chan talks like that.
@RMartinhoFernandes, the Canadian Killer Robot.
14:19
I'm stationary, have a home, and three pennies in my wallet.
Doesn't really roll off the tongue.
I read penises
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what do they say?
@Cicada You're obsessed.
@Cicada that's quite the talent
14:20
I really did
What's there to read?
The P word.
You'd butter read books.
Is the technique similar to reading palms?
I have a friend Java programmer who wants to know why C++ programmers don't put their entire implementation in header files like Java does (and use the IDE to fold away said implementation). what is a good short answer to him? other than "Java sucks" or such things like that.
14:21
@Cicada I get the felling you have a few stars on there way. But not from me :P
@stdOrgnlDave That sounds reasonable, though
Java doesn't have anything like headers, or declarations.
You want to go through a real explanation or ?
@stdOrgnlDave C++ lacks modules?
@thecoshman Good, don't come polute my stars with yours
14:21
@stdOrgnlDave Because then you'll have to rebuild anything that includes said file if you so much as sneeze on the class.
Because an implementation changes much more often than an interface, then you can minimize full rebuilds by splitting those in two.
@EtiennedeMartel "but you don't have to in Java," he says. "why do you have to in C++?"
In Java it wouldn't even be a problem, really.
@Cicada Don't cum in here and not take up every chance for lame puns
@stdOrgnlDave Source is built differently. While in C++ you must have the lib and the header, in Java they're one and the same.
@stdOrgnlDave Perhaps you should give him a crash course on the C++ compilation model.
14:22
yes but why
Even large projects can be built in background in less than a minute.
@EtiennedeMartel Well Java does not rebuild the entire exe when you change only one implementation
@stdOrgnlDave Because C++ is not Java. DUH.
@stdOrgnlDave For simplicity?
@EtiennedeMartel I don't want to give him a crash course, I want to give him a <2 minute explanation that shuts him up
14:23
And if he says anything else after that, slap him.
@stdOrgnlDave "Because that's how old languages used to do, for speed"
Java is almost as old as C++.
And I'm almost as old as my mom
@Cicada it's nothing to do with 'old' or 'speed' it's just the way it is done with C++
@stdOrgnlDave Can't you just bring him here?
14:23
It's all relative
@CatPlusPlus Wouldn't put it that way. C++ is a good, what, 12 years older?#
@Cicada you'll catch up one day
@thecoshman Oh it has something to do with elderness and speed
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not sure that that would be a good idea. this channel can be kind of harsh
@Cicada Damn, she was precocious.
14:24
It's done in C++ because it inherited it from C, and only because of that.
@stdOrgnlDave Ouhh boy.
And it sucks and should die in fire.
I'd love to say "intellisense basically compiles as you type" but that would just confuse the poor lad more
And is false
@CatPlusPlus I recall that Stroustrup book in which Bjarne explained that most problems with C++'s compilation model all trace back to a time when linkers sucked.
Xeo
Xeo
14:25
ooh, what are we bashing this time?
C++, what else
@EtiennedeMartel Linkers still suck.
Yes, but not as much.
@Xeo stupidity
Impossibru.
Xeo
Xeo
14:25
@EtiennedeMartel Not? When did linkers change last?
user784668
@Xeo Everything.
That compilation model is broken regardless.
@Xeo Bash.
Dat compilation model.
user784668
@CatPlusPlus Bash sucks, use zsh.
14:26
Okay, gotta go for real this time.
tcsh > bash.
Stupid boring useless classes.
@Fanael All shells suck.
@stdOrgnlDave ¬_¬ that's tantamount to spam
@CatPlusPlus Except turtle shells.
@thecoshman it would be, if I hadn't asked beforehand, and people said sure
14:27
And mortar shells.
Xeo
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus What would you rather have then, instead of a shell?
@stdOrgnlDave touché
user784668
@Xeo /bin/false > shells
@Xeo A language that's not bloody arcane.
@Xeo a case
14:27
@Xeo A stick with honey on it.
@CatPlusPlus Are you saying you basically want to redo the entire computer world
@Xeo a unicorn to kill
Xeo
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus heh
Not that it would be a bad idea
Alternative sad version: a girlfriend.
14:27
@stdOrgnlDave Tried it. I don't like the fact that in order to be half-way decent you need to pay money.
@CatPlusPlus lol
@Cicada Yes.
@CatPlusPlus Damn.
@Neil you really don't have to pay money, you just have to learn to use a spinfusor. :-P it's a good freemium model even though the XP gain is a bit slow
Xeo
Xeo
1 message moved to bin
14:28
The @Cat's just like that (he's also a hater, but ssshh).
@Xeo Why did you do that?
I only hate PHP.
Xeo
Xeo
Good question
@Xeo hey why'd ya do that? I asked beforehand and people said yes
Also a girlfriend does not have a CLI
14:29
And C++ tools.
@stdOrgnlDave Yeah, but it would bug me too much to know that some players move twice as fast and shoot twice as fast because they have money to spend.
Girlfriends have all kinds of interfaces.
@Cicada I'm not making a joke about that.
@Cicada maybe your girlfriend doesn't
@Xeo poor form, poor form
14:29
Must. Resist.
Xeo
Xeo
Let's see if that works
@stdOrgnlDave Ooooh, gay joke!
Xeo
Xeo
1 message moved from bin
@stdOrgnlDave fag
Xeo
Xeo
Yay, works.
14:30
@Cicada damn GF's with sutpid GUI's with too many buttons
It's called acne
@Neil but they don't. you just have to not suck terribly and you can pwn w/o money. :-P like me
What's wrong with homosexuals?
There's not that many buttons.
14:30
@EtiennedeMartel Nothing. It's just a way of speaking.
@CatPlusPlus That might explain something.
(If it hurts anyone please say so and i'll stop)
@EtiennedeMartel the same stuff that's wrong with heterosexuals except in a totally gay way
@EtiennedeMartel where was the anti-gay comment?
14:30
You're like a Soldier, except female and from 4chan.
@CatPlusPlus What worse could happen
@stdOrgnlDave I'll save the referral link in case I change my mind, k? :)
omg there's a unicorn there. if only I could kill it
@EtiennedeMartel I like the Tesla > Edison.
@EtiennedeMartel pics or it didn't happen
14:31
@Neil OK. but seriously in a Tribes game your K/D ratio is meaningless, it's just FUN to be flying through the air and having duels based on anticipation and momentum. OKBAI
@stdOrgnlDave I can feel the < 1 KD in this one
@stdOrgnlDave stop killing mythical creatures!
@stdOrgnlDave I played Tribes 2 and I made one hell of an annoying sniper
Everything moves so fast in this game.
I was fairly decent at a spinfusor fights too, so maybe I'll consider it.
14:33
Except tanks.
@Cicada oooh read, I read that as read
@thecoshman Lol.
Gosh, you're late.
@CatPlusPlus read faster
Fuuuck off, VS froze again.
14:33
@CatPlusPlus true story
I think it has something to do with the XAML editor.
As in, it only freezes when I'm editing XAML.
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Q: How to Hide Cookies..?

dLcreationsI need to Hide cookies from client Machines in ASP.NET Web. Is it Possible to do so .? User not able to check the stored cookie from the "View Cookie" Option provided by the specific browser...! DONT WANT TO ENCRYPT/DECRYPT VALUE INSIDE COOKIE, BUT WANT TO HIDE ENTIRE COOKIE

Must. Resist.
@EtiennedeMartel It might have something to do with VS.
It's getting crowded in here!
@Cicada no, troll away!
14:34
@CatPlusPlus Maybe. Bloop bloop.
Okay, third time the charm. G'bye.
@CatPlusPlus oh, blah blah blah, try and escape, funny stuff happening
Could not resist
@Cicada +1
Closed as not a real question. It's like sending somebody a letter but hide the text on it.
Xeo
Xeo
14:36
@Cicada I thought you'd write "hide them in your belly"
user784668
Why the heck would you want this? If you don't want the client to get the data in the cookie, don't send it. — R. Martinho Fernandes 48 secs ago
user784668
Fuck you @RMartinhoFernandes, you weren't supposed to edit that comment.
The XY problem
The fucking XY problem.
@Fanael I do that on purpose :P
14:37
The bane of SO.
sbi
sbi
@thecoshman No, it wasn't. I, for one, did not agree. Nor will I ever do. Knock me off the owner list if you want, but as long as I have the power, I'll remove spam.
Xeo
Xeo
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Q: C++ Class Typedef Struct does not name a type

NexusI'm trying to make use of typedef structs inside of my C++ program. I started writing the following code until I received an error when trying to add a method to my class that returns a template typedef struct pointer. StructSource.h template <typename T> class StructSource { public: ...

100% dupe
now where is it...
@sbi Oh, it's ping-pong day?
@sbi bad @sbi! that was already agreed as OK
@sbi's on the warpath as well.
14:38
@sbi he had asked if people wanted a link, and then posted(as they did want it). @Xeo binned it, and then recovered it as he was also wrong to have bin it
@Xeo Hehe, someone jumped straight into thinking it was another "needs more typename" question.
@sbi except it was not spam!
Whoa, weird. Could it be that I've actually found some weird bug with Chrome?
Xeo
Xeo
@RMartinhoFernandes First thought, obviously, but there's no template
any opengl guys here?
Xeo
Xeo
14:40
@Rookie If OpenGL hater count as OpenGL guys...
Then I think you'll find quite some here
ehm.. hater of opengl? how so lol..
@Rookie I'm a noob, but maybe I can help.
@sbi firstly, as you where not around at the time and the post has long gone, why are you bothering to delete it. Secondly, did you even consider the context of the post?
I think @RMartinhoFernandes's not too bad as well.
I'm made of plastic, not OpenGL.
14:41
im having weird issues with vertex arrays, im not sure if its normal opengl behavior
So you're a Barbie doll?
@EtiennedeMartel are they the only thing made of plastic?
@EtiennedeMartel Highly durable superconducting plastic, mostly.
so when i bind to zero texture and render a quad with vertex array, the following vertex arrays will somehow bug out
sbi
sbi
@thecoshman Actually, I had scrolled up all the way to see how some other discussion had started, when I came across it. I consider it spam, but I am open to be persuaded otherwise how "referral that will earn me" is not spam.
14:42
but if i bind to existing texture and render a quad with vertex array, after i rendered that quad with zero texture id, then no bugging appears
@sbi so, if I asked if people wanted a referral link, and they do, it's still spam? Thinking 'dropbox' referrals
@Rookie "Bug out"?
im not sure wtf is this thing about... i know zero texture ID somehow means "unbind" ?
@RMartinhoFernandes yes its weird: the next vertex array draw call doesnt work properly, but after that it works
sbi
sbi
@Cicada You could be a feminist.
Anyway, I'll recommend you try gDEBugger. It helps a lot to debug these kind of things.
14:43
lol feminists
@Rookie there are far too many things to consider here, you will need to do a proper SO question
@sbi No point being a feminist in room full of testicles
At the very least it helps you collect the relevant information to post a question that can be answered without guessing.
@Cicada shh tits (like for like)
@thecoshman i was thinking to... but i was hoping this is something trivial, because the zero ID has some special meaning AFAIK?
maybe it bugs out my drivers
sbi
sbi
14:45
@EtiennedeMartel VS is so cool an IDE, it keeps freezing over. Also, it ICEs.
@Rookie you using shaders right? are they getting confused because there is no texture set but are trying to read from it
@thecoshman nope none shaders used
sbi
sbi
@Cicada Huh? I fail to grasp that logic. Refrains from further commenting on logic.
user784668
There's no logic.
user784668
There's no anything.
14:46
@sbi Forget it, it was just an attempt at being irritating
@Rookie So it's OpenGL 1.x? Shame on you!
Which failed.
Somewhat.
hm... maybe i need to try to bind the texture before every vertex array render... maybe it stops bugging then
yeah opengl basics... i like it
rendering quads doenst need special shaders
I resent that. Like we men were somehow driven by hormonal instincts like that. You should be ashamed.
Btw, got any topless pics?
Basics != outdated versions ;)
14:47
@Cicada Where I come from, we call those "sausage fests" (sometimes translated as "party de saucisse")
Everything needs special shaders!
Anyway, use a debugger.
@Rookie no shaders is out of date
@Rookie You might need to use glEnable or one of those silly enabling functions
sbi
sbi
@thecoshman Maybe not, but it sounded very different from where I sit.
i had all enables
but it renders texture, just that it does it weird. texcoords seem to be all zero
because i see the quad color change to first pixel color
sbi
sbi
14:48
@Cicada No, it didn't fail to irritate. I was irritated.
the weird thing is... the bug disappears when i use glBegin()
Xeo
Xeo
Do we really not have a C++FAQ on the fact that out-of-class defined member functions need to scope the return type if it's a type inside the class?
@sbi "it would be, if I hadn't asked beforehand, and people said sure" he asked before, and people said sure, where are you getting confused? it was not random spam
@sbi I did rustle your jimmies then. My life is now complete.
14:49
i mean glBegin(GL_QUADS) / glEnd(); to render the quad...
user784668
@Rookie glBegin is a bug.
@Rookie learn to use modern openGL
sbi
sbi
@Cicada Keep your hands of my jimmies!
@Fanael its working better than vertex arrays atm :E
14:49
@Cicada he he he, jimmies
@sbi whistles
Did I mention you should use a debugger?
A what?
Nobody uses that anymore
Look, Java!
@RMartinhoFernandes don't you know, debuggers are evil
user784668
@Rookie WTF?
sbi
sbi
14:50
@Cicada They call me nobody.
@Cicada <shot gun blast>
Enough guessing can figure out the problem, but that's severely inefficient.
(I was checking that Mysticial's dude profile. Oh boy I feel dumb compared to these people)
gDebugger is not a debuger, it's a GDE bugger. At least that's how I've always said it in my head.
@DeadMG (a) because (b) I like it (c) I'm annoying (d) We had that discussion before, as in the quote directly above the ping.
But hey, that would be to simple
14:51
shit is getting wird now.
user784668
Bugger is a lame word, use fuck instead.
@sehe The transcript ends like, ten messages above, so I didn't get that much context out of it and changing the time period was too much effort
because im using own function for glBindTexture, i added a check: if(texture != 0) glBindTexture(...) --- and now the bug doesnt appear!
so that zero texture id must have some special bugging powers.
sbi
sbi
14:52
@thecoshman He wasn't asked to post it, he asked whether it would be Ok to post this here. IMO that a very big difference. Some people agreed it was Ok, @Xeo and I disagreed. (So did you, initially, BTW.)
@DeadMG Try changing the batteries for your main memory :)
@Cicada I don't understand
user784668
Posting in the Lounge is an UB.
@thecoshman Read again.
@sbi so... he lied to me about people wanting it? i.imgur.com/T7iUn.gif
@Cicada I still don't understand
14:53
Seriously 1) check the docs 2) use a debugger.
I'm growing a bit bored here.
@RMartinhoFernandes 3) use modern openGL
Xeo
Xeo
@thecoshman @Cicada is jelly of @Mysticial
sbi
sbi
@thecoshman I dunno. All I know is that he said he had asked, and some people agreed. Whether that's true or not isn't important for me to decide that I disagree.
@Xeo oh, why didn't she just say so, silly girls
Xeo
Xeo
@thecoshman Err, she did.
I just dumbed it down.
14:55
isnt glBindTexture() modern opengl?
@thecoshman Well, that too, but the first two are more important IMO.
Xeo
Xeo
Or are you thetrollman right now?
@Xeo shh you, with your being correct and all
user784668
@Xeo I thought we all here are.
@Xeo not particularly
sbi
sbi
14:55
@Xeo He is @the troll man.
I really don't want to miss the bus again
@sbi shh monkey man :P
sbi
sbi
Waits for table to be overthrown.
open ALL the cans of worms
user784668
@thecoshman T* p = new U;
@sbi ಠ_ಠ
sbi
sbi
14:56
@thecoshman YOU SAID MONKEY?? Proving my point, are you?
@RMartinhoFernandes i did, but it doesnt tell much about zero ID and its secret features like what i found out
If you don't use a debugger to collect information about the problem ("stuff bugs out" is not an appropriate description of a problem), the only way someone can help you is by guessing. That's a waste of your time and their.
@sbi it really get's to you doesn't it :D
> The value zero is reserved to represent the default texture for each texture target.
No magical powers.
sbi
sbi
@thecoshman I consider it humane to protect you from the librarian's wrath.
14:57
@RMartinhoFernandes yeah, no magic? but why does my shit get fixed by that check if(texture != 0) bindtexture() ?!
@sbi are you a librarian as well?
@Rookie Did I mention you should use a debugger to figure that out?
is debugger answer to everhhing here
Yes
sbi
sbi
@thecoshman No. I am a programmer.
14:59
Almost
user784668
What's the opposite of debugger?
sbi
sbi
@Fanael Newbie.
@Rookie It's the answer to everything, except for everhhing.
@Rookie The other answer is "guessing".
14:59
@sbi you beat me to it :(
My humor sucks.
Which is a waste of everyone's time.
sbi
sbi
@thecoshman For once.

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