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00:00
Oh, they even have several robot emoticons.
I could draw one tomorrow if the copyright status doesn't fit your needs.
Let's just call what I made a proof-of-concept. I wasn't sure both robot and flames would fit in the small format without making an unreadable mess.
It looks like a robot with some funky red hair on the browser's tabs, lol
What about a melting robot with a red glow?
@RMartinhoFernandes A lot like 'Coding Horror' then
00:02
I considered centering the header but it's somewhat large and covers most of the flame then.
Can you link me to the original?
Aaaahh stupid zooming mosquito. Die.
Better than that. Go here, then click on the red 'New Message' button in the center, then you can see what emoticons they have.
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
I don't. Don't worry.
I'm reading my spec to find errors.
00:09
@RadekdaknokSlupik That sounds like something a robot would say
:P
Fuck I already found one.
:)
Must be that dogshit thing. Should be context sensitive?
Nope. It was this sentence:
Keywords and names in daklang are case-sensitive.
It should say Reserved words, and identifiers… instead.
nothing wrong with calling them keywords
Ah I already changed that. Reserved words is fine too.
00:20
indeed it is
"names" is kinda weak, though
@Luc well, I settled for this:
Can lambdas be recursive in C++?
00:24
No way to refer to themselves.
auto foo = [&foo] { foo(); } doesn't work?
IIRC, a variable of type auto cannot refer itself in its assignment.
@RMartinhoFernandes Nope.
@RMartinhoFernandes The prohibition in this case is that auto prevents from using foo inside the initializer. :(
you can do, e.g., std::function<sig> foo; foo = [&] { foo(); };
00:24
So the only way to do it is by passing the lambda to itself in an argument?
So that's a limitation of type-inference(y), not lambdas.
@DeadMG Oh cool.
@RadekdaknokSlupik You can't express that in the type system readily.
@RadekdaknokSlupik Y-combinator-like craps.
And all the other alternative means you're not just dealing with lambda expressions (in particular with the std::function solution you cannot return such a lambda).
00:26
@LucDanton Plus, meet unnecessary dynamic allocation possibilities.
Unless SBO. The real deal breaker is unnecessary runtime polymorphism, however it is implemented.
Lambdas can decay to function pointers if they don't capture anything.
depends on the lambda
Oh wait they need to capture themselves.
They wouldn't if there was a way to refer to themselves. Much like a recursive function doesn't need state at all.
00:29
Like this in JavaScript.
I dunno how that's salvageable. We could decide that if this is not explicitly captured then *this refers to the lambda. But not only is that confusing but what if you need *this from the enclosing context and want to be recursive?
@LucDanton I implemented a this(function) thing
@LucDanton Call it this_function or whatever.
New keyword self. :P
so you could do this(type), this(function) or this (as in this(object))
00:31
How did you do that?
Overloading operator() for pointers (which you can't)?
Oh wait. In Wide?
I'm still not sold on the necessity of having this refer to the enclosing context. [this] { return x; }; is fine already, the cases where this->x is necessary should remain the exception.
auto& x = this->x; [&x] { return x; }; isn't that inconvenient.
What's the benefit of having this refer to the enclosing object inside a lambda expression?
What I meant was auto factorial = [](int n) -> int { return n == 0? 1 : n*this_function(n-1); };.
Oh wait, that could be because something like x is specified in terms of this->x. Gah.
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm not fond of keyword proliferation. this_function looks sorta dumb.
Although I suppose it can very easily be made contextual.
Finally killed that mosquito.
I'm not advocating, I'm just imitating JavaScript.
(But this in JS is not exactly the calling function, but some kind of context crap. Let's not go there)
00:37
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, I want [](int n) { return n == 0 ? 1 : n * (*this)(n - 1); }; to do the right thing.
Or I'm confusing some shit.
@LucDanton Oh.
I.e. I really want the body of a lambda-expression to work as if it were the body of an operator() for a functor.
It's silly but this limitation means that sometimes you may want to hand-write a functor. Lambda expressions are supposed to be the superior alternative.
@RMartinhoFernandes I can't quite make out what's on fire in the new icon.
Something.
The robot's hand?
No I meant that it's hard to understand that's it's a robot that's on fire at first glance.
The pixels are on fire.
00:42
Dammit. Looks pretty clear to me. Stupid confirmation bias.
The round nose looks a bit like an avian beak when it's obscured by the flame. But it would still be a robotic parrot though.
TIL: The word robot comes from Chech robota, meaning forced labour.
Nose? It's a mouth, from a :o smiley.
I suck at this.
00:43
@RMartinhoFernandes It's also a factor of e.g. screen size, display resolution, what the browser shows and so on.
Well the round mouth looks like a round nose that looks like an avian beak.
00:57
what's going on
I'm going to sleep
I made the flame cover the entirety of the background.
not recognizable IMO, looks like a soup pea
after vomiting...
:)
@DeadMG don't waste your time.
Hey guys guess what. I'm tired and I'm going to sleep. Otherwise I'm tired tomorrow and I cannot do things without loads of mistakes, and that would be a waste of time.
01:12
But it would be fun!
No. I hate doing things wrong.
And me, being a human, needs to dream.
Boring.
And a waste of time.
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
I need to dream about 2g1c ice and Antarctica. It's a thousand degrees in here.
01:18
@sehe Oh no, tell me you're not scripting that again.
@sehe why are you still awake? Don't you need to work tomorrow?
@RadekdaknokSlupik Hmm who works on 2nd day of pentecost
It's past 3 o'clock.
@RadekdaknokSlupik Oh, guess I should consider finding my bed
Sonde van je tijd.
01:19
Fuck it, I'm not changing the damn icon any more.
TIL: the devil is a good guy; he punishes bad people.
I need emo souls; I'm hungry.
Hey @Scott I'm hungry. sudo make me a sandwich
01:53
Hi all
02:35
can anyone help me with a system of equations problem
$$x_{1}+x_{2}+x_{3}=0$$ with at least one negative and one positive
$$y_{1}+y_{2}+y_{3}=0$$ with at least one negative and one positive

$$x_{2}x_{3}-y_{2}y_{3}+x_{1}x_{3}-y_{1}y_{3}+x_{1}x_{2}-y_{1}y_{2}=-39$$
$$x_{2}y_{3}+x_{3}y_{2}+x_{1}y_{3}+x_{3}y_{1}+x_{1}y_{2}+x_{2}y_{1}=0$$
ok I dont know why that didn't come out right
Oh, that's not linear.
02:54
mm
for instance if we look for solutions where abs(coordinate)<=14, we get
(4,3),(4,-3),(-8,0)
(-4,-3),(-4,3),(8,0)
(5,6),(5,-6),(-10,0)
(-5,6),(-5,-6),(10,0)
(10,9),(4,-12),(-14,3)
(-10,9),(-4,-12),(14,3)
are you looking for real solutions, or just integers?
integer
order doesnt matter
(4,3),(4,-3),(-8,0) same as (8,0) (4,3),(4,-3) etc
03:18
hello?
03:32
folks, is it OK to put 10Gb of stuff (src+binaries+idunnowhat) in mercurial repository?
I'm not sure if hg can handle it, at least tortoisehg
Why do you put binaries under source control?
@EtiennedeMartel it's not me who put'em there =\
I just got that bunch of code and I'm thinking what can do with it. It's too big
dammit. it seems that hg doesn't support Chinese file names
@EtiennedeMartel yep, but I afraid it will be fucking slow
03:58
Large files should not be versioned directly.
There are extensions for handling them.
04:11
Mmh, did we mention here that there a new discussion groups open to the public for ISO C++?
04:21
is there a good way to find solutions to a system of equations?
#x1+x2+x3=0
#y1+y2+y3=0
#x2*x3-y2*y3 + x1*x3 - y1*y3 + x1*x2 - y1*y2 = -39
#x2*y3 + x3*y2 + x1*y3 + x3*y1 + x1*y2 + x2*y1 = 0
#x1*x1-y1*y1 + x2*x2-y2*y2 + x3*x3-y3*y3 - x1*x2 + y1*y2 - x1*x3 + y1*y3 - x2*x3 + y2*y3 = 117
#x1*y1+y1*x1 + x2*y2+y2*x2 + x3*y3+y3*x3 - x1*y2-y1*x2 - x1*y3-y1*x3 - x2*y3-y2*x3 = 0
where all vals are integers
04:45
hello?
@JohnSmith, try to use MathCAD or something like that
 
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06:24
Hey guys, does anybody know where I can find the repository of different versions of g++ debian packages? Currently I have the 4.1.2 version installed, and I need to upgrade it to a higher version
Debian is only on 4.1?
I am using a local repository and when I do "aptitude search" I only find the 4.1 version
06:45
just build Clang with that g++
06:59
If no one gives you a word limit on a personal statement is 800 words okay? It would really suck if they just tossed this...
sigh what I wouldn't give to make the scholarship application process easier to go through...
700 words*
07:17
@JohnSmith: Try math.stackexchange.com if you are asking about theoretical side of it.
07:28
is there a way to set default encoding in VC++2008 editor? I have same problem as in that question - stackoverflow.com/questions/2383876/…
For the character set?
project->properties->general->character set
project being right click on the project
@Jeremy, it's not about build config, it's about text editor config - default charset for "non-unicode" source files
@Abyx Ahh, then I haven't got a clue, sorry.
08:00
@Meysamرهادربند if you run testing then 4.7 is available as a package
morning all
@ScottW you wouldn't have.
@thepirate @thecoshman good morning.
@RadekdaknokSlupik he he he
Is it Sunday or Monday?
I attempted to cut my finger nails this morning but missed one... this is gonig to annoy me ALL day
08:09
@JohnSmith It's not linear, there are "good" ways to resolve this, but it isn't really chat friendly.
My internal clock is fucked up.
@RadekdaknokSlupik Monday Google?
@thecoshman Did you try eating it? :P
Fuck is it Monday? That means that weekend is over and I have to go to school again.
@RadekdaknokSlupik you know when people say you should enjoy school whilst you can? They're not lying
08:11
"Enjoy school". Hah.
I have exams right now.
Well, not right now but tomorrow and wednesday.
I don't enjoy those. They are fucking boring.
Exams are for pussies.
Exams are easy, they make it perfectly clear what they are asking. In the real world, the problem is not trying to answer the question, it's trying to work out what the question is in the first place
Exams are for people who want to get a job later.
Exams are a piece of cake. That's why they're so boring.
I'd rather design a language or write a compiler.
Exams are hard because in real world you can consult the Internet for answer. "0
08:13
I don't care about the speed of an object if it falls from ten meters high with a friction of 2N.
@RadekdaknokSlupik but people care that you get a bit of paper saying you once knew how to work it out
@RadekdaknokSlupik You are heartless, the falling object has feeling too.
@Domagoj it does not, unless it is a human being.
Which it isn't. It's just a cube.
@thecoshman unfortunately they do. :P
@thecoshman I am an employer and the only thing I care about is knowledge, not where you got it. And especially not pieces of paper which I recommend people to wipe their ass with.
If I ever win a billion dollars, I'm going to wipe my ass off with money.
08:17
Money is overrated. It's about creating.
In the end, that's all that matters.
Wiping your ass off is a waste of time. You don't do anything productive while doing that.
If I ever win a billion creativity I will invent new ways to wipe my ass
wow looks like chat is uncensored
Those with little high-pressure sprinklers built in.
08:19
@RadekdaknokSlupik they confused me a lot when I was a kid
@neered kumar you must be new here.
The only things that are censored are **** and ********
We have discussed worse things than wiping off your ass. Like Java and PHP.
@neeradkumar Censorship is for priests.
**** ********, whaddyaknow.. it's true. :)
08:20
Censorship is for morons.
Discussing ways of sanitizing one's excrement-dripping behind is in no way offensive. It's a health issue.
I would leak every single confidential document I'd get my hands on.
I was actually referring to cleaning my donkey
@Pubby They're so profane. Must we always be talking about your rear end when using that word. Really...
I use the Java and PHP docs to wipe off my ass.
08:22
I sell profane and profane accessories
@RadekdaknokSlupik Your ass must be very dirty then.
Not a single fuck will be given until September.
I used Java to code an asswiper robot. Apparently, a bad idea. Almost died.
The fault was in your memory management.
@DomagojPandža It should have been multi-threaded.
08:25
@DomagojPandža remote workers?
It should have used more singletons and factories.
Woohoo! Already seven stars in twenty minutes.
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Very remote, it ran away. Last I heard of it, it was heading to Sun Microsystems. My guess a lot of asses are going to be wiped. Dirty asses that created Java.
would you guys stop it! it'll go to his head!
He has a head?
@RadekdaknokSlupik You're consistent by the way. Just thought you should know. :D
08:28
How come?
Easy come, easy go.
If I'm more consistent than PHP it doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter, had singleton.
abba cha
08:30
Classes and metaclasses themselves are singletons in Objective-C.
errors
Classes are instances of their metaclasses, which are in turn instances of their classes' superclasses.
who the hell is staring all this shit?
Objective-C is a fatal error.
I want to write web pages in C++
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lol
3
08:31
Hey some room owner come in and unstar those messages. I didn't write them, so they don't deserve to be starred.
My fan, I guess
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@neerad you cannot, but you can write the back-end in C++.
Web pages are written in HTML.
Oh for crying out loud, stop spamming useless stars.
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@RadekdaknokSlupik I propose we implement brainfuck as the new HTML format
ya
thanks
Who the fuck is that?
@neeradkumar you can, well you can generate them
I have no idea. He's looking into my soul.
Yo momma.
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can some one ->bin that shit
08:34
@CatPlusPlus Oooo.. burn!
Too lazy.
ya I want to know if there is a platform that we can define each pixel of a webpage :O
Possible, but unfeasible.
@neerad full-page <canvas>.
@neeradkumar what exactly do you want to be able to do?
08:35
I just want to experiment :D
Canvas, or WebGL.
@neeradkumar Well with a little stretch of the imagination, you can use 3d graphics, and I'm sure you could tweak it to allow you to paint each individual pixel
@CatPlusPlus WebGL uses a canvas.
Or Flash. But it's pretty much only useful for games.
Though to start from the ground like that is like pushing ice picks in your eyes.
08:36
Dunno, I've never delved into it.
@RadekdaknokSlupik Yes, but it is hardware-driven.
@Domagoj implementation-defined.
I don't really see a point to WebGL, really.
Fancy new toy, but little practical use.
You could make an extremely complicated multi-layered background which changes every second
@RadekdaknokSlupik 3D content in browser, hardware driven.
@Neil This.
08:37
But then again I don't get the trend of webifying everything, so.
@Domagoj hardware-driven is not required.
A software render could be used.
I'd rather have my 3D content outside of the browser.
@RadekdaknokSlupik You really are a bit dense. A software renderer is pointless, the whole point is accessing hardware.
can we design a platform like webgl, not use it?
I'd rather have no 3D content.
08:38
@CatPlusPlus how can you make a web site with out flash?
If you don't have hardware access, it's shit.
Especially with stupid Chrome leaking like hell, and needed to be restarted every 5 hours.
@CatPlusPlus I estimate in 10 years time, there won't be web pages that are flat anymore, not without some level of 3 dimension involved
@thecoshman What do you need Flash for?
Believe it or not, you can use 3d graphics on web pages without making it look like a gimmic
@CatPlusPlus nor so I, though I prefer mobile web-sites over individual apps for every phone
I will always treat like a gimmick.
It's like using a DirectX reference driver to power desktop games.
@CatPlusPlus I forgot my 'sarcasm' tag it seems
The web is 2D so fucking deal with it.
08:39
@CatPlusPlus Life is a gimmick then.
Sure, you can have a slideshow, but it loses the point.
The only thing this will spawn is even more obnoxious 3D ads.
porn ads?
@Neil funny, real runny
@CatPlusPlus Probably, but I think that's inevitable
08:40
lol ads. I block them.
2D projection of 3D ads.
Now ads eat up all of your GPU as well as CPU! Progress!
3D projection of 2D ads.
Screw ads.
advertisement: Watch 3D porn on ur flat 2D screen
lol
08:41
@CatPlusPlus The insertion of ads on web pages was progress I suppose?
Web is going to collapse under its own ridiculousness, sooner or later.
Ads are for people who can't sell their products.
I like the way 3D has some how taken on two very distinct meanings
chrome gave ads in tv, in india
I watched the ad yesterday
google chrome*
Ads are for Microsoft, Oracle and IBM, who already have enough money.
Google did Chrome ads on billboards in the Netherlands.
08:42
@neeradkumar They have done adds on TV in England too
@RadekdaknokSlupik You're the bazillionth visitor. Come get a green card.
Ads are evil hellspawn.
that is google chrome indian ad
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Dat music pains my ears.
08:45
it sucks bigtime
Dear lord, I'm never going to complain about Croatia again.
@neeradkumar I thought that was pretty inventive, contrary to public opinion
that's some funky beats
I loved the guitar solo.
I felt the ad is creative. But i did nt like the music
08:48
I had to wash out the music with some John Mayer.
Anybody wants some RAM?
I just downloaded some extra so I'm good.
@DomagojPandža maybe @robot needs some
I'm willing to help you integrate them in your system.
Just for the lols.
That's the stupidest pun I've ever herd.
Then you've never tried shoving one into the slot.
Good performance, very fast...
Hard to catch one.
08:55
@Pubby You're not paying enough attention to this room.
I'm in such a good mood today, don't know why.
^ just the latest version. it's a bit more. and the old cleaned up a bit.
@LucDanton details?

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