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12:08 AM
Great I feel like in college. Fully nerd power!
 
@JerryCoffin At least my T470 obeys the laws of relativity. I respect it more for that.
 
@CaptainGiraffe You're lucky. Some T470s (the ones that ride in the short bus) seem to feel they can ignore general relativity.
 
@JerryCoffin I'd rather be lucky than good. Also I'm still a fan of SG-1 =)
 
@CaptainGiraffe I'd rather be God than good.
 
I'd have so many problems being God. First of all what the hell do I need humans for, they tend to muck things up.
and can I do a 3nm chip?
 
12:18 AM
@CaptainGiraffe Who says I do need those filthy vermin humans around? They do come in handy when I want a good steak sandwich though; I know the angels really try, but they never get them quite right.
 
@JerryCoffin I want to be the god that brings a world Pork, Beef, Onions, Garlic, Tomatoes and Butter.
 
Can I ask quick C++ question here ?
 
@ChintanPathak There is nothing worse than a quick question!
 
12:25 AM
I have a 800,000 line C++ code, and it is taking more than 4GB of memory while linking in VS. What could I be doing wrong ?
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in other words, how can one limit the amount of memory used during linking ?
Also, these 800,000 lines are generated using another program, and is one file.
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@ChintanPathak This is a perfect example of a horrible horrible horrible message in here.
 
I'm going to run away now.
 
@CaptainGiraffe: Sorry. Have a good day.
 
@Borgleader To get more RAM?
 
@CaptainGiraffe Nah, I already have 16GB of that
 
12:31 AM
@Borgleader My Cyborg apparatus has 24=)
 
@ChintanPathak Why is it linking if you only have one file?
Does it dump a 4GB object file?
 
@Mikhail : 800,000 lines are in one file. There is another file with a few lines that has main. And uses another library (IPOPT)
 
Well, I would first verify the size of 800,000 line file when its compiled (before linking)
 
I see a obj file of 235 MB.
 
Have you tried downloading moar memory?
 
12:36 AM
@Mysticial Didnt get you.
 
@ChintanPathak Hmm, that isn't quite that bad. Whats the compiler/toolchain?
 
VS 2008 Express.
C++
 
mmmm
Try using MSVC 2017 community
 
I tried with VS 2017, but it throws an exception: access violation reading 0xCCCCCCC5
 
Did you crash MSVC's linker, or is that a bug in your code?
 
12:40 AM
@Mikhail Pretty sure it's the latter. Because 0xCCC's... are used by MSVC for marking uninitialized data in debug mode. And I'm pretty sure VS is compiled with optimizations on.
 
No the VS2017 was using a smaller version of code and it was linking and while running it was throwing the exception
 
@ChintanPathak Dude, 2008 is old even in human years.
 
Anyways when I've funroll all the loops I've seen a few binaries go past 1 GB without much issue - except for the initial run-time latency for the binary push to the MPI nodes.
 
while the same code works in VS 2008, when I try a bigger version of code with 2008, it crashes.
 
So, you're real problem is that the code is fucked
 
12:43 AM
Yes. Could be. :)
In VS 2017, trying toe compile the long version of code, I get the compiler out of heap space error.
/GS /analyze- /W3 /Gy- /Zc:wchar_t /I"C:\Ipopt\3.11.2\include\" /Zi /Gm- /Od /sdl /Fd"Release\vc141.pdb" /Zc:inline /fp:precise /D "HAVE_CONFIG_H" /D "_CRT_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS" /D "_UNICODE" /D "UNICODE" /errorReport:prompt /WX- /Zc:forScope /Gd /Oy- /Oi /MD /Fa"Release\" /EHsc /nologo /Fo"Release\" /Fp"Release\imp_ipopt_CPP.pch" /diagnostics:classic
All options.
 
maybe switch to the 64bit toolset but I suspect that you shouldn't dump such a large .cpp file in at one go
Also I'd switch to ICC which is free - if you're me
 
@JerryCoffin On that topic, if such a (alt)left vs. (alt)right civil war were to break out in the US, it isn't going to be so much a classic civil war with armies as it will be more like the Rwandan genocide with people going door-to-door with guns or makeshift weapons and killing everyone that's not their ideology.
Mainly because there's no clear geographical divide between the two sides.
Even the deepest red or deepest blue places are only 60 - 80% of one or the other.
 
Well, historically, under represented groups have won their rights by threat of force. In today's America, "deplorables" feel alienated, and in many ways haven't found a political voice.
 
@Mikhail : Even with 64-bit debug setting, cl.exe takes up more than 4GB RAM, and then I get out heap space error, and doesnt go to even linking step.
I will try to partition the source code into smaller fragments.
 
I think a few people in this room will point out that 4GB of ram isn't that much, my own stuff takes about 12 GB. Although its not in a single file.
 
12:56 AM
20 mins ago, by Mysticial
Have you tried downloading moar memory?
 
My PC has 32 GB of RAM.
 
I need about 40GB to compile my own shit.
 
What do you mean downloading ?
 
use virtual hard drive, share all your data ...
 
1:00 AM
or just mount /dev/null
 
I will try to increase the size of paging file. RIght now 32GB.
@Mik
@Mikhail on windows 7 64-bit
 
I would first try switching compilers (because MSVC has bad performance, for example tuple packs), and then splitting the cpp file
 
increase page size might be a bad idea depends on how you are using it
 
Ok. Will try GCC first.
 
just buy a better PC, dammit
 
1:03 AM
I have Dell Precision T7600, with Intel Xeon E% with Two 3.1 GHz processors. Not good ?
 
there are never best PCs, only better PCs
 
@Telkitty: I agree. But do you still think it is the PC in this case ?
 
@ChintanPathak do you use a lot of 3rd party libraries, are those libraries gigantic?
 
1:29 AM
@Telkitty: The DLL themselves are not big, around 2MB each. Two fo them.
 
 
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3:21 AM
> En France l'été 40% de la biomasse est néerlandaise de toute façon.
today’s nature fact cc @sehe
 
3:56 AM
@AdebayoAdelabu anet keeping things fresh and interesting
 
there was a gigantic mosquito in the car
 
 
4 hours later…
7:58 AM
@Telkitty That is not a mosquito
@LucDanton lol. Same in Germany. (Eye witness here). Who knew we had such a disproportionately large population.
@Mikhail /dev/zero - more chance of "working"
 
8:11 AM
@CaptainGiraffe classic Feynman rant. Love it
 
8:32 AM
Discrete event simulations are cool. I wonder if they could be programmed using only constexpr :D
The result would be a program that only prints the results. Basically the program is reduced to a print function. Kinda neat.
 
but with compile times that are measured in days rather than minutes
 
Still cool though.
Because constepxr.
:P
 
8:55 AM
@StackedCrooked Basically just a less useful text file
 
nwp
this challenge is kinda cool
also coliru is really good for this
 
@sehe this is what a collared vegetable mosquito looks like ... kind of ... :x
 
9:36 AM
@ChintanPathak my java builds routinely bump at 20 GiB mark
@StackedCrooked I wonder why hasn't someone written a C++ compiler targetting C++ templates yet
 
in Java, Aug 3 at 6:12, by Tavo
Java? Sweet? Java is like licking a lemon that has been macerating in vinegar for a century and then it has been pissed on
 
disgust > bad taste
bad taste is a reflexive, knee jerk reaction
my dislike of Java goes way deeper than that
 
@fredoverflow your deep, passionate love/hate relationship with Java
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz yet your arguments never do
 
@nwp And?
I don't feel obliged to elaborately explain all my held views each and every time I want to voice my opinion on the internet, and you shouldn't feel entitled to receive such an explanation.
 
nwp
9:46 AM
So that makes the whole comment meaningless. Maybe it is my fault for thinking that there is meaning in those comments.
 
It's not meaningless, you just fail to see the meaning.
But then again, I'm not really interested to explain what I mean in simplistic terms each and every time.
IOW if you don't get it - too bad, sucks to be you.
 
nwp
Do you think anyone knows what you are talking about? Or do you not care?
 
@nwp I'm pretty sure Fred, whom I was talking to, entirely got what I meant; as opposed to you, whom I wasn't talking to at all.
 
10:00 AM
in other news I just responded to a job offer with "looks nice, but it's C++ so thanks but no thanks"
feels good
 
Heya
 
10:17 AM
Wms standard is fukken shit
 
nwp
@StackedCrooked coliru broke?
 
nwp
10:49 AM
fixed apparently
 
hello!
 
11:06 AM
To early
 
11:17 AM
> I'm fed up with the people constantly moaning about other peoples opinions. ;-)
Haha. I think I've found the canonical youtube comment.
 
11:41 AM
in other news
my shit joke of a project car is taking more and more money
plz someone buy it from me
 
isn't that the default end of most project cars? ended up costing too much and resold at a loss
 
@fredoverflow hahaha this is great
@ratchetfreak yeah :/
I just wish it was gone already
so I could buy a project bike :D
 
11:57 AM
Docker seems p awesome
 
@Shoe you're late to the party
 
I know, but robot and rightfold kinda convinced me not to use it for a while
 
@BartekBanachewicz this is the point of a project car
 
@Mgetz heh
well it's gonna have the new exhaust fitted today
 
Any pictures of your project car?
 
12:00 PM
@Horttanainen no it's too shitty
 
@BartekBanachewicz nice
 
the "project" turned from "make it nice" to "get it stock" to "get it running at all"
and it's slowly approaching "get rid of it in a whatever way"
i.e. like most of project cars
 
start a new project: mini moped
they are much fun. And cost you a 1000e tops
 
I want to buy an enduro/dual sport bike
but I need to get rid of that first
 
12:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz What do you use docker for?
 
@Shoe I don't
 
Oh
nvm then
 
you mean mvn? :P
@Shoe That seems like such a random question :P
 
35 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@Shoe you're late to the party
^
 
Ah, you're not too late
 
12:35 PM
Did you get around to learn it?
 
Yeah
Really isn't that much to it
 
one important thing to notice is that you can use prebuilt containers for your dependencies without knowing much docker at all
then there really isn't much to it
the complicated stuff starts when you want to docker-compose your custom stuff with other things and make them connected and with proper resource quotas
 
Probably the most useful place I've been using it is for CI. Our CI jobs run within the docker container, so it's nice that you don't have to worry about configuring the CI server/nodes in a certain way, but ALSO you can easily use that same env locally
 
@Shoe well actually I use them indirectly in our CI as well
 
@BartekBanachewicz also making your own single container stuff
It's when you start to use multiple containers or swarms that things start to get hairy
I've not yet used it for production stuff
But I can see how nicely that could work
 
12:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Which is what I need :/
 
@Shoe consider doing some training then
 
Trying to get nginx proxy to dotnet server connected to postgres database
 
@Shoe I would think carefully about what problem you are trying to solve first
 
So 3 containers using docker-compose
And then deploy on digital ocean with the docker droplet
 
on digital ocean you can get SQL as a separate container IIRC
 
12:41 PM
@Shoe what you are describing shouldn't be that hard
 
> Your capability to perfect your suspension is only limited by your ability to complain about it. That may be nearly unlimited for some.
lol
 
@thecoshman It's not but there are some interactions I'm not too clear about
 
what's a perfect suspension?
 
For example I know I need to learn about networking because I don't want all ports to be open since attackers might be able to circumvent the proxy otherwise
 
@Shoe it's just nginx => dotnoet => db right?
 
12:46 PM
Yes
 
By default, no ports are exposed
 
nginx port is exposed
 
A docker image can configure what ports it would like exposed, and you simply expose those automatically, or you can basically do your own port mapping
 
The 80
@thecoshman Ye ye, but each container would have exposed ports because the dotnet container needs to access the postgres container via that port
 
That means the image has a line EXPOSE 80 and you are launching it with the --expose flag (iirc that's the flag)
 
12:47 PM
Dockerfile
with docker-compose
ports:
   - 8080:80
 
Ah right, you are mapping it via the docker-compose
I'm not sure how you write the compose file so that teh DB expose a port but only to the dotnet container
 
Via "networking" in theory
 
yeah, some set up
I think normally when launching a single container it used NAT style networking, so that container doesn't get it's own IP and just sit's on the same network. But I think you can create something akin to a vlan
and then only expose nginx:80 to the outside
 
Yup
 
nwp
1:05 PM
This person's self-assessment of knowledge level is surprisingly accurate. /cc @Mysticial @Borgleader
 
@nwp :D
 
2:08 PM
> Generates more efficient bytecode
 
2:19 PM
@nwp amazing xD
not accurate enough to include "doesn't know when it's appropriate to use shift / caps lock"
 
@fredoverflow oooh
 
3:08 PM
@nwp No, his self assessment is not accurate. He says he is "new to C++". But in reality he's "new to computers" because he doesn't know how caps lock works. :P
 
nwp
He is 1 step behind being new to C++ as he is almost new to C++.
 
 But no. Nope. Barbie's just fine ending her work with the "design ideas" and a laugh. She'll need the boys before she'll have a "REAL GAME."
 
3:55 PM
@fredoverflow not a big release really, but the bytecode optimisations is always nice
 
Ell
@Mysticial it's funny, being computer literate is rare enough
When somebody wants to learn to programme but they don't know what "directory" means then it's a tough time teaching
 
4:25 PM
@Ell Being computer literate and not having an asshole personality is probably enough to get someone a decent job.
 
4:43 PM
hey guys, how's it going
has anybody had a phase where they didn't know what to code? i'm tired of coding games, whether big or small, i just wanna code something new, but i don't know what
everybody seems to have amazing ideas on what to make, i simply don't. i've tried watching my life, and seeing what problems to be solved there were, but every time there is something to do, either it can't be really programmed, or it's useless or it isn't interesting
 
I looks like Intel isn't soldering their 14-18 core chips either. So I guess that's one expense I won't need to worry about.
 
Ell
@ChemiCalChems learn a new language
And make that language Haskell
 
@Ell i tried learning haskell, but my brain wiring is bound to break down before learning me a haskell
be it for a great good or not
i just...
 
@ChemiCalChems learn to use tensor flow
 
wanna code something that i haven't done before, be it simple or not. something that is interesting, and that will make me feel proud when i finish, something that i can use every day
 
Ell
4:48 PM
@ChemiCalChems that's goos
 
Learn to write a Linux driver
 
@Mikhail while i could invest time learning tensor flow, which is amazing, i don't really feel like that would solve the problem i have right now. the problem is i'm bored, i watch all these people have marvelous ideas on what to make, but i don't really know what to do
 
Ell
And see the light
 
@Mikhail the thing is, what for? that's a great idea though
i should get myself an arduino board too, probably
 
@ChemiCalChems find some hardware that doesn't work, or crashes
@ChemiCalChems no you should code with what you have now
 
4:50 PM
@Mikhail i just have my laptop, and 1 month till i start uni, and nothing to do in the month till i start uni
 
Okay, so don't buy junk
 
true that
i guess it also doesn't help that i follow maybe 50 content creators, most of which are geniuses
my brain is fooled into thinking the 50 people are actually a single entity that figures out these awesome things to make
but looking at it logically, most of these guys don't have a good idea in ages
 
idk, I personally use my sense of inferiority as motivation ...
 
Ell
You have to overcome it
 
i guess it's an existential question now. what i'm a born to do? is it coding? is it physics? is it breathing?
 
nwp
4:54 PM
Learn to make clang tools and implement reflection or some other stuff that currently doesn't work well.
Or just waste your time playing some game like everyone else.
Alternatively watch some series.
 
@ChemiCalChems Dude, I fucking told you two things to do. Pick one and do it.
 
shit
10 mins ago, by ChemiCalChems
everybody seems to have amazing ideas on what to make, i simply don't. i've tried watching my life, and seeing what problems to be solved there were, but every time there is something to do, either it can't be really programmed, or it's useless or it isn't interesting
note it isn't interesting
i have no drivers to write, learning tensor flow is useless to me
 
Ell
@ChemiCalChems drink more
 
@Ell that's easy, drinking any amount of alcohol qualifies as drinking more for me
 
nwp
After a bottle of vodka you will either be happy or have a reason to be miserable. Either way is an improvement.
 
5:01 PM
But, either way, miserable in the morning
Talking about drinking, is cereal still the best library for json serialization?
 
5:16 PM
One of the deficits is not being able to store std::wstrings in json
 
@Mikhail Just convert to UTF-8?
 
5:32 PM
@Mysticial international users have weird file paths
If only I could convert them to UTF-8
 
6:30 PM
base64 encode them
 
so yeah
the new exhaust is p ok
it still has a minor hiccup though so I'm prolly gonna replace the coil and cables
 
 
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7:55 PM
@Puppy Hi, I came across one of your comments about the C language. You seem to have a very precise opinion about it... If I extrapolate your opinion you would suggest to just leave C and use C++ for everything. Right? Have you considered embedded systems? Even the kernel is written in C...
 
lol
 
lol
 
the kernel is written in C largely because the kernel writers are muppets, and also in some part because implementing C++ well for the kernel can get tricky
 
feel free to correct me if I misunderstood you
 
you seem to be suffering from what we around here call "appeal to authority fallacy", which is, you seem to be assuming that the kernel writers somehow know better than you or I or that their work is somehow of above-average quality
not to mention that I believe there is more than one kernel in the world
 
7:57 PM
Or to summarize, C++ only works when it's done properly. But you need to be an expert to do C++ properly. Unfortunately, the Linux kernel developers aren't C++ experts.
 
@Puppy why would you consider them as muppets?
 
@Mysticial That's not really an accurate summary at all.
 
What about embedded systems? Writing cpp on embedded systems is not always the best thing to do...
 
you seem to be suffering under a misapprehension
it's true that implementing C++ can be a bitch
but that's no excuse for sticking with C
 
@Puppy Right, I think I was pulling in stuff from somewhere else.
 
7:59 PM
you could just decide to implement a C extension that allows throwing exceptions which are only integers, and then implement that in terms of error codes
for instance.
there's "C++ is not ideal for us" and there's "Let's just stand still for four decades and not take any steps to improve the situation at all"
even the Java guys are less dumb because they realized that just because C++ is not perfect for every use case does not mean you have to get stuck with C.
although arguably Java is just as bad in other ways, I'm not sure that calling it half-arsed wouldn't be tremendously charitable, but there's no denying that it contains at least a small percentage of arse, as opposed to zero arse
 
@Puppy on embedded devices you would suggest C with extention to compensate for its downsides?
 
more like, that would be an obvious starting point
you really need to delete like, 2/3rds of the language at some point
 
Do you have an example of something in C that can be done -especially- on embedded devices that proves me how "bad" C is?
 
sure
it's like
int f() { int x[2]; return x[3]; }
besides, considering the tremendously cheap availability of ARM processors which are fully capable of dealing with e.g. exceptions, and those IoT muppets who forgot to security, I'm not really sure that a market for processors too slow to handle it should exist in the general case
 
8:20 PM
@Puppy uni teachers would say "it is up to the programmer to know what he is doing"
 
uni teachers are the worst programmers known to mankind
if you really want to take that approach you should use ATS or whatever it is that requires you to formally prove that your program is correct before it will compile
the reality of human programmers is that they make errors
that's why it's called human error
the trick is to not pretend that it just doesn't exist but actually plan for and deal with that expected outcome
 
@Puppy aren't compliancies like MISRA-C used for that?
to minimize that type of stuff
@Puppy happen to have another example? That was a funny one
 
oh yeah, that's a smashing idea
 
Epic Rant /cc @BartekBanachewicz
 
8:24 PM
"To eliminate human error, instead of just having a machine check it, we'll use a language where any kind of human error results in the worst possible outcome, and then introduce even more humans into the loop. What could possibly go wrong?"
@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn How about a simple null pointer de-reference or read of uninitialized variable?
 
nwp
Some cppcast episode talked about microprocessors with like 256 bytes of memory. You can't fit much code into 256 bytes. They analyzed it and figured out that most of the code sets some control register bits and then never gets used again. Additionally you can't just set some bit, you have to read the whole register, mask out a bit and then write the whole register.
They managed to use templates to make functions that look like set_cr_bit(5); but they collected all those functions at compile time and combined them into a single read-mask-write. Unless all bits were written, then they just write the register. That's pretty impressive and not doable in C.
To be fair they also said only 1 person understood how the templates actually worked, but that's ok, the interface is simple enough to use.
 
one thing I often notice is that the performance nuts never mention the performance of compromising the device
 
lol, you guys are almost starting to make me feel bad of having invested so much time and effort in mastering C for embedded devices.
 
well, it's fuckin' dumb
but you're in good company as far as that goes
 
@Puppy I should start looking at how I can do bare metal stuff in c++... easily...
and look at how that goes
@Puppy haha :)
 
8:40 PM
@Borgleader: For some reason if I do not include the .cpp file in the .h file in the cygwin environment the program will not compile. if I am using XCode I have to take that line out. — Yousaf 5 mins ago
o.O
 
@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn indeed
 
funny thing is that arduino uses cpp behind the scenes AFAIK
 
?
 
it's not behind the scenes, if memory serves they offer some rather crappy C++ APIs
but I wouldn't bet on being able to do bare metal stuff in C++ easily because nobody invests in that toolchain
 
That's rather upside down. It's just a processor. It runs machine code. But yeah you can run a pretty decent subset of c++ with some boost
 
8:42 PM
@Puppy looks like I m stuck with C
..already
@Puppy what makes you think they aren't above average programmers? Because they write C?
I would expect those people to be really good usually. Like at google? (idk)
 
@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn Yep, I'll go with that.
also, Google are fucking terrible
 
they've improved slightly in recent years
 
@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn No. They typically don't understand modern software engineering paradigms and produce code way too slow.
 
their C++ style guide was "We can't be fucked training our developers or improving our practices; let's just use C and call it C++"
 
8:44 PM
@Mikhail they = Linux or google devs?
 
@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn C developers
 
Google
they offered me a job there and I turned it down
 
@Puppy hahah, if that's really true... then I m quite surprised
 
Is Google one of those two tier companies where they have people that are really good on some teams and people that aren't so much on other teams (and its hard to go from team to another)? (For example, the compiler team vs the guy who makes a part of the cache for the website?)
 
@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn It's well known.
 
8:47 PM
well I graduated not so long ago from a pretty unusual academic parcour....
What tips could you give me in order to become an above average cpp programmer?
(I mostly did C, VHDL and some Qt and EE the past few years)
 
@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn Forget whatever academia taught you, because most of those guys never wrote a maintainable line of code in their life, and the majority of those who did did it so long ago they have no idea how to get it done now.
if you want to become an above average C++ programmer then just pick a convenient C++ side project and keep working on it for 5+ years
 
@Puppy what is/was your 5+ years project?
 
nothing I'd want to show off now
 
What do you think about Qt? This is what I use to write cpp
nothing else actually
 
QT is fine as long as you don't mind writing C++ like it's 1999 and you weren't that well-informed to begin with in 1999
 
8:52 PM
hahaha I expected something negative and that;s what I got
What would you suggest in stead of Qt?
 
well that depends on what you want to get out of it
 
It has some great docs and is cross platform
 
then I'd probably go with React
 
@Puppy I use cpp purely for visualisation of results and stuff from embedded devices
 
oh, you meant, in C++ as well?
 
8:56 PM
@Puppy yes
 
well, I hate to break it to you, but ain't no large established UI libraries that aren't crocks of shit in C++
 
@Puppy It also has a lot of bugs
 
@Puppy C++ UI's are shit, C is shit. what isn't shit?
 
React's not shit
it's built on a number of shit technologies but is not inherently shit
 
lol no javascript and stuff for me thx
 
8:58 PM
well, that's what I meant about shit technologies
we use Typescript at work instead of Javascript because we have standards
 
With Windows 10's compressed memory feature, by upgrading from Windows 7, you are actually downloading more RAM.
 
looks like I better stick with Qt
 
I've been thinking about trying to port React to something that's not shit
a lot of effort though
 
@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn UI's?
 
untill something better for making GUI's in cpp and combine with embedded stuff arises
 
8:59 PM
but really
 
@LandonZeKepitelOfGreytBritn Wut. Can't really complain about UI frameworks & embedded at the same time.
 
2 mins ago, by Puppy
well, I hate to break it to you, but ain't no large established UI libraries that aren't crocks of shit in C++
 
Unless you count iOs/Android
 
I think that fundamentally, combining good technique with being well-established, well-documented and cross-platform is an ideal that's almost never met by anything
 
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