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12:00 AM
I have a 22 year old spare tire in mine.
 
@_@
I am impressed
 
12:12 AM
I thought I had another masterpiece at my hands, stackoverflow.com/a/45339015/451600. But alas, the queen bee was already satisfied.
 
anyone know of a way to normalize a template parameter pack list? e.g, if A, B, C.. etc are types, I want to transform the parameter pack <C, B, A, E> to <A, B, C, E>
doesn't need to be alphabetical or anything, i just need to be able to get a single canonical form for a permuted list
 
short of having a hand-written global order, there is no such thing
 
well that's lame
 
indeed
 
 
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1:49 AM
@sehe huh, I had to add an --exclude '^.*\.pyc.*$ flag to the inotifywait invocation since upgrading Python. almost thought I had to add something for swap files until I remembered vim doesn't have the same 'directory' default as nvim does and Iā€™m used to the latter now. all this tweaking is annoying though
 
2:02 AM
lol
 
 
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4:07 AM
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Q: Set default value by textbox in C#

Huu Tin I'm developing an application. I have a button btnSendEmail to send a password email from server to user email. My application is able to send a email but It need to know the password of my PC. In the future, if I build this application to another server, I also need to know that password of tha...

 
5:30 AM
@LucDanton mdr
@LucDanton I remember seeing a couple fun references like that :)
 
5:50 AM
Sup guise
 
 
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8:06 AM
@MartinJames hey, come to discord, wee are free :)
 
8:49 AM
is free cheaper than cheap?
 
yes?
 
9:04 AM
Pointless question of the month: 'I am taking a user input from a serial interface where they can write commands with arguments. I would like to know what is the fastest method for jumping to a function from this input' - who cares?
 
Well what is the fastest method?
 
> This means the near future could ā€“ at least partly ā€“ still belong to the internal combustion engine and motorcycles can play a role in urban transport as the cleaner, faster and less space needing alternative to cars.
@Horttanainen what is the fastest method to get my coat off after 8-hour long flight
 
Dont leave me hanging
 
My laptop is ded :/
 
you can invest in a manly masterrace workstation instead
 
9:18 AM
No thanks.
 
@Morwenn My laptop too is ded
 
jk, I wish I'll have enough spare cash to move to a laptop entirely
 
@BartekBanachewicz I though you had loads of cash
 
yes and no
 
It's probably just an alimentation problem, but I don't have what I need at hand to try stuff -___-
 
9:19 AM
when you start buying vehicles it suddenly shifts
 
One more can not possibly hurt you
or your wallet
do it
 
I am planning to buy either one or two more motorbikes next year so
my PCs will have to endure with me for a while longer
in this context having both a laptop and a workstation kinda helps I suppose
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have to suzuki pvs
 
9:25 AM
oh lol
 
And I am big man. One is a little bit raised though
 
I am not sure if "a little bit raised" will make a lot of difference here :D
 
Not much :P
 
@Horttanainen related, I only recently discovered Macklemore's Downtown and you should totally listen to it (and watch!) if you haven't yet
 
I have. It is very good. And I see how it is related
 
9:26 AM
it's great :D
 
@sbi I believe so
@sbi Thanks! I'll listen to that sometime
 
@VermillionAzure neoclassical
 
@Horttanainen so cute
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, isn't every music era after "classical" kind of "neoclassical?"
Like romantic and impressionistic came after classical
but they're not classical
 
@thecoshman That thing is a beast when equipped with 80cc engine.
@BartekBanachewicz I found this: youtube.com/watch?v=xwVvgBDDdg4 We have strong moped culture in Finland
 
9:33 AM
> a beast
all dem 7 horse powers :D
or is it a 2-stroke oh it is
should be comparable to 125cc 4T then
 
@BartekBanachewicz two*
I wrote haskell for a month. Came back to work and my OOP is better than ever
 
this tends to happen :)
 
I cannot even describe how.
 
10:08 AM
@BartekBanachewicz oh, found out that over here, apparently, I am old enough that I should be able to start on an almost 500cc bike if I wanted to
 
@thecoshman there are no capacity restrictions beyond A1
you can get the L and start doing the A2 or A and in the UK I believe you can ride for a year or two on that
anyway you've been talking about this for ages now, just get the damn licence already :D
 
I keep on sneezing ... hayfever season itches earlier and earlier ...
 
10:33 AM
I'm using it as incentive to keep working on citizenship :\
 
Thanks! It seems that I wrote to somewhere where I shouldn't — CleverKing 19 hours ago
holy hell people really need to be told to use the debugger :F
@thecoshman you need citizenship for the licence?
 
user784668
@Mysticial More like, the pipes only do FMA, and additions and multiplications are turned internally into FMAs.
 
user784668
10:52 AM
What with both add, mul and fma being 4 latency and ½ throughput.
 
11:48 AM
@Telkitty early?
 
12:34 PM
literally in the middle of winter ...
so now I am trying to port this project with a lot of lib, references and external dependencies across from eclipse to android studio
as expected, it's crashing like there is no tomorrow
 
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A: What is the equivalent to D's taskPool.parallel() in C++

DejanLekicAs far as I know, there is no equivalent in the standard C++ library. There probably is something similar in some 3rd party C++ library. Unfortunately I am not aware of any such library as I do not do C++ programming for over 15 years...

now nominating a really bad answer for deletion
 
1:45 PM
2001: A Space Odyssey is a 1968 epic science-fiction film produced and directed by Stanley Kubrick. The screenplay was written by Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke, partially inspired by Clarke's short story "The Sentinel". Clarke concurrently wrote the novel 2001: A Space Odyssey, published soon after the film was released. The film follows a voyage to Jupiter with the sentient computer Hal after the discovery of a mysterious black monolith affecting human evolution. It deals with the themes of existentialism, human evolution, technology, artificial intelligence, and extraterrestrial life. It is noted...
below expectation ... real life technology advancement that is ...
 
2:00 PM
VS2010 disappointment of the day: stackoverflow.com/questions/9500588/…
 
@Rerito you're surprised that a seven year old implementation has bugs that aren't fixed.. top kek
 
@Rerito lol vs2010
I remember using it when it came out... 7 years ago
 
@Mgetz Oh no I'm not surprised, just disappointed
 
I have never touched vs2010 and I never will
 
@BartekBanachewicz There are teams here that are still stuck with VS 2005
That puts things into perspective don't you think?
 
2:03 PM
@Rerito there are teams who write in PHP somewhere
there are also homeless people
and people without access to clean water
 
Good analogy
 
That does put things into perspective
 
sucks to be all of them really
 
But those people have it better than the php folk
 
2:05 PM
@Horttanainen Yeah, the misery is strong with these ones
 
I implemented a for loop in Haskell today
 
Something more interesting than recursion?
 
nope
it's my last answer
 
ok damn
 
with vs2017 my disappointments are now in the optimizer, as it isn't as good as clang
 
2:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz no, but I want to get it
 
@thecoshman so I don't see the incentive really :P
 
 
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4:31 PM
@Carter12s you're absolutely right. I - embarrassingly - forgot that nodes can have "content" values other than child nodes. Fixed. coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/ba934612afdb7bc1sehe 56 secs ago
SO, the site to distribute your bugs :(
 
@BartekBanachewicz I want to get citizenship, and using getting bike as biat
 
4:50 PM
@Fanael That's the case for Skylake. But probably not for Haswell since the FP-add latency is shorter. It's not obvious whether it's even using the same adder but short-circuiting the logic or if it's just a separate adder-unit. The latter needs more area, but is easier to implement.
Oh and Intel might as well be screwed on the HEDT line. It's been revealed today that Threadripper is actually a 4-die/32-core chip with two of the dies disabled. IOW, a AMD Eypc server reject. There's nothing to stop AMD from putting 32 cores into the HEDT line.
 
@wilx Sounds interestin
I find it amazing that geneticists have already created a very high threshold for pvalues
 
5:29 PM
@VermillionAzure They probably have pretty decently big sample sizes so they can afford it.
 
5:40 PM
@Froglegs this should get better when they finish the revitalization project and can use the AST to provide deep optimizations
 
5:53 PM
Mysticial: have you ever compared compilers on y-cruncher to see how much difference it makes?
 
6:05 PM
Nice work. +1 for actually coming up with an implementation. This should potentially be featured as an example in their documentation — sehe 1 min ago
I might bounty that (after proper review of the code)
 
6:43 PM
I think my packaging algorithm is getting way to abstract... I have packages in sale order lines packed in splitted in multiple packages which are then stored in meta packages which are then packaged in boxes which are actually also packages...
the fun part is the meta package which allow me to have 1 single package rotated in all direction to find the best match in the box... When its used I remove all the facets too
 
ohmy.... I need to hangout and listen in this chat more
 
7:09 PM
@roscoe_casita I'm sure you would be welcome, just don't mention the war, PHP or jQuery.
@roscoe_casita ... in fact, just omit everything starting with 'j'
 
@MartinJames what about jupiter?
 
quick but stupid question, (I'm from a windows world), if I have several programs that all take the same input / produce same output. I want to generate a datapoint for each input that includes runtime & memory usage
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Q: Peak memory usage of a linux/unix process

jes5199Is there a tool that will run a command-line and report how much RAM was used total? I'm imagining something analogous to /usr/bin/time

I was going to use the valgrind one-liner
to extract the memory usage, would that be the 'linux' / right way to do this?
 
@LoĆÆcFaure-Lacroix Them too - worst investment co. ever:(
 
But the planet is awesome, you probably missed the latest picture
 
7:17 PM
You're lucky I saw that because you didn't ping me. Answer is yes:
SSE3, SSE4.1, XOP: Windows MSVC > Linux GCC > Windows ICC
x86, AVX, AVX2, AVX512: Windows ICC > Linux GCC > Windows MSVC
Things I haven't tested: Clang, GCC/MinGW on Windows, ICC on Linux. And I have no intention to do it since maintaining compatibility for 3 compilers and 2 platforms is already enough of a headache as it is.
 
thanks, surprised msvc wins at anything
 
Rule 0: all packages are cubes.
Rule 1: all sizes are powers of 2.
 
@JerryCoffin would be cool if that was the case, I'm already lucky I don't have to handle tubes
 
@Froglegs It also wins in compilation time.
 
@LoĆÆcFaure-Lacroix A series of tubes!
 
7:24 PM
@Froglegs Actually wait, I flipped MSVC and GCC for the first one. MSVC is second.
So
SSE3, SSE4.1, XOP: Linux GCC > Windows MSVC > Windows ICC
So no, MSVC doesn't win at anything. But it is the best option for SSE3, SSE4.1, and XOP on Windows.
ICC won't compile XOP at all since it's an AMD thing and Intel doesn't like AMD. And I never figured out why ICC is worse than MSVC for SSE stuff.
And I don't care anymore since SSE is old.
 
7:38 PM
@LoĆÆcFaure-Lacroix To me, the red spot is something on the remote that I push to get the sports summaries.
 
You probably missed the boreal aurora on Jupiter
 
@LoĆÆcFaure-Lacroix Ok, not really:) I will check out the news for pics from Juno ;)
 
@Mysticial You should test at least Clang on Linux.
 
7:54 PM
@Mysticial I was about to reply that game programmers probably care but then I checked the steam hardware survey and saw that 86% of steam users have AVX
 
@Mgetz I donā€™t. :(
 
@wilx how new is your CPU?
 
@Mgetz Oldish. AMD Phenom II.
 
@wilx in the world of silicon this was an eon ago
 
@Mgetz Stone slab CPU!
 
8:01 PM
@wilx eh, it's newer than an abacus
 
:)
 
my mouse might have an arm more powerful
 
I recently obtained a Phenom II X3. A friend of mine left it at my place when he upgraded his box to Ryzen (using the same case) and he doesn't seem to want it back.
It's unlockable to 4 cores. Though I had to redo the thermal paste on it or it would overheat and hard shutdown.
 
I'm such a n3wb at this =/
 
@roscoe_casita don't compare your computing power to @Mysticial, you will always fall behind. Judge yourself only on your circle of personal friends.
 
8:07 PM
@Mgetz hehhe I won't, I' actually need help with problems, I'm 'learning' linux as they say and flayling around
 
@Mgetz Beating a Phenom II X3 isn't a very high bar.
 
i just put together Mimira, she'll last for the next 10 years or so
and real compute power isn't in desktop form anyways
 
@Mysticial darnit, I come back to this and I can't make a stig like "some say" about you as a joke... but seriously I'm not actually sure what you do for a living, but I'm convinced it requires setting computers on fire and they refuse to give you matches
 
@Mgetz HFT
 
@JerryCoffin so I wasn't far off
 
8:11 PM
@Mgetz Other than, they probably wouldn't mind if he set a machine on fire every once in a while, as long as they make at least a few million times its cost before its gone.
 
@JerryCoffin I've had that discussion with my boss. It was interesting.
 
@JerryCoffin that's why they don't give him matches. he needs to set the environment variable IS_ON_FIRE the hard way
 
I can't go into the details, but one of the ideas we floated was to hire one of the top LN2 overclockers and have them sit in front of an open-air box pouring LN2 the whole day.
 
@Mysticial So was my guess at the multiplier high or low? :-)
 
also insurance money
@Mysticial I can see the work comp form now "The injured worker got burned how!?"
 
8:14 PM
@Mysticial Seems like a closed liquid helium system would be a better long-term bet.
 
was going to say... a cryostat with liquid helium... would produce much better results until everything fried because of superconductivity
 
LN2 overclocking isn't just about preventing the CPU from overheating at absurd frequencies and temperatures. The colder the CPU, the faster the gates react. So being colder lets it clock higher.
 
tbh you run into a lot of things you normally wouldn't have to deal with when you get that cold and that fast
 
@Mysticial Yes, but Liquid Helium is (quite a bit) colder than liquid nitrogen. It also cools better--LN next to a warmer surface forms a thin layer of gaseous nitrogen, which acts as an insulator.
 
Supposedly this is due to super-conductivity. But I'm missing something because the temperature/resistance curve is reversed for semiconductors like silicon.
 
8:18 PM
@JerryCoffin that might actually be an advantage tbh, because the bigger issue is once you get that cold things start acting funky
@Mysticial gates aren't purely silicon, IIRC there is gallium-arsenide in there too, but I could be completely off my rocker
 
@Mgetz Isn't gallium-arsenide also a semiconductor? That's what they're talking about as potential silicon replacement below 7 or 5nm.
But yeah, there's something else involved. I'm just not a material science expert.
 
@Mysticial it is but different materials behave differently, CPUs aren't pure silicon is my bigger point, so it's fully possible that the gates could superconduct while the silicon itself stops leaking current
 
@Mgetz That's a good point.
 
regardless, the bigger issue is driving a board that fast because memory and other devices need to keep up. most of the materials on a board are not designed for that sort of cooling and would likely become brittle if cooled that far.
 
@Mgetz That's already a solved problem.
 
8:24 PM
@Mysticial oh? how so?
most of the LN2 setups I've seen pictures of are rather crude and designed for pure clockspeed not overall perf
 
Boards like the Asus Apex and Rampage series are designed for LN2 overclocking and can handle 1000W+ on the VRMs. LN2 overclocks use insulation blankets to cover the motherboard from condensation. And some motherboards even include that.
The Asus Apex series sacrifices memory lanes to limit it to 1 DIMM/channel to maximize signal strength.
K|ngp|in cooling sells LN2 tubs that mount directly to the processor and let you pour LN2 into them.
IOW, this is serious business.
 
@Mysticial ah, that makes sense. My statement about overall perf still stands, the boards are not designed for long term use in that configuration nor do they support the peripherals needed to get the optimal performance out of that clock speed
 
@Mgetz So you replace the hardware at the end of each trading day.
 
@Mysticial if you're looking for maximum chill, you use a closed circuit cyro-fridge where the expansion plane is the heat spreader of the CPU
bth I'm kinda surprised nobody has done that before, it wouldn't be hard to make a block for it and then hook it up to existing hardware. The biggest challenge would be manufacturing the brackets and insulation for mounting
 
hehhe that sounds fun; I built a stock simulator at one point... nasdaq itch/outch 4.x compliant and everything , even built the ach (trading reporting) part of it, worked with a guy who had a drop feed at the exchange.. never went anywhere, but it was interesting
there was custom hardware deployed, you would do things like create a hardware queue so that you could crack certain packets faster
 
8:31 PM
@roscoe_casita would not be surprised at all if they use FPGAs for this
 
./nod, you can get a certain amount of performance from faster hardware
 
@Mgetz There are reasons why it isn't done. Mainly that LN2 extreme overclocks aren't entirely stable. And the cost of the system going down during trading is higher than what you'd gain from having that extra speed.
Furthermore, the latencies to the exchange have more variation than what you'd gain from a super-clocked system.
 
hence why you need a co-located data-drop feed nasdaq ^^ as per above
that was 15k$ a month, just for data
 
Those 2 reasons are just scratching the surface of a whole multitude of issues.
 
@Mysticial I could see other things copping up based on my experience with some pre-release hardware
when you start measuring latency to ram at network speeds you have a problem
 
8:36 PM
alright, I'm a total n3wb, help me out here.... "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" I've installed the packages... not sure what to investigate / check next.
 
@roscoe_casita 32bit or 64bit?
 
I believe the app is 32 bit, I'm running 64 bit, so I would expect the package to have installed the 64 bit
ran this: sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
 
@roscoe_casita that installed the x64 version
any chance you can compile x64?
 
kk, this is the n3wb part, how do I get the 32 bit ones one? nope, I'm dealing with an old binary: rutcor.rutgers.edu/~boros/IDM/DualizationCode.html
 
@roscoe_casita you just go use python
 
8:40 PM
python... bleh
sudo apt-get install libstdc++5:i386
that was the key
thankya
 
@Mgetz Actually, at least pretty close to that has been done at least a few times. For sealing, it put a (thin) plate between the evaporating liquid and the CPU, but it was about as thin as they figured they could get away with.
Especially with the multi-chip situations like Epyc and Threadripper, it'd probably make sense to remove the heat spreader entirely, and seal the evaporating chamber directly to the substrate.
 
 
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11:54 PM
@wilx Core2Duo here :D
 
@MarkGarcia If he does the Threadripper vs. Skylake X review using y-cruncher, y-cruncher is gonna be the only benchmark where Threadripper gets thrashed head to toe - especially if he uses the latest version with AVX512.
 
Did he use y-cruncher before? It's the first benchmark video I watched from him.
 
Yeah, it he's been using it since at least the Ryzen 7 reviews back in March. Possibly earlier.
 
@Mysticial Cue conspiracies,
 
I haven't been paying attention much. It's only when people ping me about it.
 
11:59 PM
oh that's cool!
 

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