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@TonyTheLion <3 <3 <3
01:08
@rubenvb Don't bother with Zenbooks if you actually want something good and you aren't like "I want to spend $600 on a laptop and not a cent more, and I'm all fine with all the potential problems"
01:59
woah, lounge quiet
go outside you fucking moles
sun ages my skin, I spend most of my time not going to the beaches or the mountains inside, in the shade
but I go to mountains & swim in the ocean a lot
my pet chicken is like me, she found some gaps in the fence & goes outside a lot ... wild chicken
02:21
another terrorist attack in the UK
02:37
:(
@jaggedSpire :D
@Borgleader aww
03:10
:D
03:32
@jaggedSpire :3
@jaggedSpire froddo doggo (and by that i mean ringbearer)
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Q: Sort is not working? No errors. C++

dprohd#include <iostream> #include <ctype.h> #include <cmath> #include <algorithm> #include <iterator> using namespace std; //START struct Tuple; struct RefTuple; #define TUPLE_COMMON_FUNC(C, D, E, F) \ C##::C## (Tuple& t) ##D \ C##::C## (RefTuple& t) ##D ...

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What are these macros T_T
@Borgleader besides concerning?
extremely concerning
I need an adult
Cant help sorry
@Borgleader ow wtf
03:45
I'm gonna star it
other people need to suffer through this too
also bonus points for leaking allocations
speaking of leaks:
also bonus points for communicating with the user through Windows console calls like system("pause")
03:47
Because in addend youre modifying the pointed object so it doesnt matter. Btw youre also leaking a node in that function. t=new(node); t=l;Borgleader 14 hours ago
03:57
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Q: User input of (string) data in linked list (C++)?

Confused.StudentI am trying to make a code that will ask the user how many students they want to accept. After this, the user will input the names of the students. The code I have made is: void acceptingStudents() { node *temp = NULL, *head = NULL, *run = NULL; int studentSize; char studentName; ...

Speaking of linked lists
migrated from eclipse to android studio, alignment goes all wecky
original code are okay, indentation is fine
it's only when add new code, keeping adding 1 extra space in every tab in my current case
@EtiennedeMartel o deer
@jaggedSpire Worst thing is, it's a bog standard "cin leaves line endings behind" question, but the issue is obscured by the linked list bullshit.
MCVEs make the world (well, Stack Overflow) go 'round
04:39
Uh oh. (This is Ryzen, source: https://community.amd.com/message/2796982) that's an evil chicken bit to tell people to flip. https://t.co/90Fs65ClgK
/cc @Mysticial
@Borgleader His memory is overclocked.
Like really overclocked.
hmm... looks like there's more to it
But seriously, if you're gonna report a CPU errata, don't do it with overclocked hardware. lol
I haven't had any issues at all. And I'm overclocked. But I'm also running Windows which they said they haven't seen any issues there either.
If it showed up in May, then either people are slow to get Ryzen, or one of their microcode updates broke it.
I'm running a beta BIOS from March.
@Borgleader Lemme guess, you saw that because Fiora retweeted it right?
I just noticed it's at the top of my twitter feed.
05:14
Also fuck society
Man. I wrote so much code today, but nobody I work with or talk to knows how to code.
When do you plan on graduating?
That's the dream. In one or two years, although my advisor literally sells my researxh work. So it's going to be difficult to leave.
I mean like. You were there when I left UIUC. And I left a long time ago.
Average phd is 6 years
3 years in that corn field and I couldn't take it anymore.
05:25
Yeah. That's where I'm at.
I'm definitely an urban/suburban person.
I messed up the PhD concept. Most people don't know anything when they come in and learn things. I knew everything when I came in and didn't learn anything.
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Also software isn't my PhD. I'm doing optical physics, which is actually eauwr.
@Mikhail I'm sorta in that category too. But I did learn a lot in grad school. My first pi record (5 trillion digits in 2010) was actually the summer before I started at UIUC. In retrospect, the pi record itself is almost thesis-worthy even if it was done entirely while I was in undergrad.
@Mikhail Why do I have this feeling that you like to be used by your advisor, you just like to whine about it, but actually you are happy with your arrangement ...
because a lot of my friends only used PhD to land a good job - that's their goal, not PhD itself
some didn't even bother to finish the PhD - left halfway after landed on a good position
@Mikhail Next time you come to Chicago for a weekend or a holiday, ping me.
05:38
@Mysticial Yeah thatd a lot better than many people's thesis (including one of my grad mentors who stole my shit). I think what's weighing down my soul is the sense that I'm the only one working, and everybody around me is happy.
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On the upper side, if what you said is true, then you will be wanted by many employers
A lot of companies will be happy to employ you
That's asks a lot of excestential questions. For example, after being fisted on a daily basis in graduate school, I'm not sure I'm ready to commit to real employment
Some of my other friends prefers uni to real employment - for example, you can turn up to your research at 11am, you generally can not do that in a company
And the only startup ideas I have are for medical or research devices. Unlike my friends in SF...
@Mikhail Next time you're in area, ping me and we'll have a chat.
05:45
@Telkitty the university system involves a lot of lying and in the USA the pay is 3x less
@Telkitty flex hours!
06:04
@jaggedSpire not if you have a lot of meetings - within your local team & with your global colleagues, not if you need to meet with your clients, not if your need to work with other people closely
University life is more laissez faire ... and generally with less money. But that's just my personal experience.
@Mysticial Nah, I follow ryg too
"Under complex micro-architectural conditions"... (Intel Skylake errata). Don't worry, there's more. https://t.co/MNGBIgOOZj
lol "But wait, there's more!"
@Borgleader That prefetching one is scary.
yes, very
I'm gonna need to chat with my boss about that one. We currently don't have any Skylake processors yet. But that's going to change soon.
But that's not the cause of my laptop's instability since that was happening even after I disabled the prefetches.
 
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07:37
@Mysticial CPUs habe bugs? :)
@milleniumbug Do you have any recommendation? The Zenbook I was looking at was tweakers.net/pricewatch/769037/asus-zenbook-ux430uq-gv061t-be/…
@jaggedSpire <3 <3 <3
nwp
nwp
08:19
you might get to see how much bjarne sparcles IRL
when I am not able to concentrate in the late afternoon, I put chicken on my lap and we do pair programming together
coffee, actually in all honesty I typically work two six hour shifts, for example go to gym between them.
@Telkitty Also you should breed an emu
you need license to breed emu
and big field
First off, you can literally buy the eggs off ebay. Secondly, ideally you would have a big field, but that probably applies to all the animals you're toying with for personal amusement.
also, what would I do with emus?
08:30
Its like chickens but I'd respect you
The cassowaries (/ˈkæsəwɛəri/) are ratites (flightless birds without a keel on their sternum bone) in the genus Casuarius and are native to the tropical forests of New Guinea (Papua New Guinea and Indonesia), nearby islands, and northeastern Australia. There are three extant species. The most common of these, the southern cassowary, is the third-tallest and second-heaviest living bird, smaller only than the ostrich and emu. Cassowaries feed mainly on fruit, although all species are truly omnivorous and will take a range of other plant food, including shoots and grass seeds, in addition to fungi...
these ones are better
can you buy fertilized eggs on ebay?
hi guys
I mean, seriously, have you ever had an emu omelette? It tastes better than a regular chicken omelette and fills up pans. You also need an electric drill.
do you have any idea for final year project
08:34
@codenut Yes, I have 2 students and I pray to god they don't read this chat
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why
??
Yo, so what language?
i am comfortable in java python and android
and little bit nodejs
i am thinking of something like a mobile app will be best for my final year project
08:37
that sounds like bullshit
1) internet says yes 2) top results from backyardchickens.com, lol
@wilx Let's hop I won't have a concert the same day.
@Mikhali any idea
@codenut Basically people in India and China, in and in React Native land will take your jobs. Learn something fucking useful.
aren't they adorable
08:40
@Mikhali what should i learn
@Mikhail you should check whether the person is actually from India
surprise, surprise ...
yes i am hehe
hehe
anyways, if you want an H1b visa...
08:42
but i would like to know what should i learn.
user1804599
Oh I missed another akbar
@codenut In my research field there is a need for a deep-zoom style image viewer, I would discourage you from specializing in mobile application development. On the other hand I don't understand the job market in India. For example, Intel recently fired a bunch of people and replaced them with Polaks. So if you were Polish, C++ would have been a good idea, if you were from the USA C++ would have been less of a good idea.
companies will always retrench high income employees and hire cheap labour in less developed countries if they can
IRTA refrench
@rubenvb Ok, that one is better than the one I have, but the look and feel is similar. Note that poweroff button is just above the backspace button
08:49
@mik, I can't do paired programming with an emu, if an adult emu sits on my lap for more than 30 minutes, I will probably become a cripple for the next 6 months
@Telkitty Another low quality statement. Companies are not trying to optimize personnel. Typically, for example with Intel (I know a lot people there), they have a once in a five year existential crisis and lay-off a lot of people. Then they realize they need those people and hire in Poland.
The first thing I did after noticing it was disabling any action on short press of the poweroff button so I don't turn it off accidentally
@mik
@Mikhail thanks for your advice
@Mikhail and why do you think that would be different in other similar companies other than maybe it's not every 5 years
@Mikhail what about python+ai as my final year project
08:52
@Telkitty The point is that most companies are not seeking to optimize their production/business, they are happy to make money if it not efficient or as much money as they could be making.
@milleniumbug Haha, reason enough not to get it :P
Unfortunately, I can't seem to get an XP13 Developer Edition here anymore :/
I really need Linux compatibility...
@Mikhail CEOs answer to shareholders not employees, their bonuses are tied to how much money accountants say the company is making
@rubenvb The keyboard is great except for that one major detail
@Telkitty CEO doesn't do shit when stuff is going well. Once again, companies are not trying to maximize efficiency unless they "need to"
@codenut Yes, that's hot right now - so go for it.
> Rewrite the Linux kernel in Rust?
08:55
@Morwenn top kek on /r/circlejerk
I wonder what Linus thinks about such an idea.
Also, it seems Danaher employees get discounts with Dell US.
But then I'd need to figure out how to buy from Dell US, and fix a global warranty.
Haha, the top-voted comment is indeed « Submit a patch to Linus. I'm ready for a flamefest. » :D
I wonder what his uninformed opinion is of Rust.
@rubenvb Me and Alex M. have UX305, and Alex isn't too happy with it, the GPU is lacking, and the drivers are bad
@milleniumbug I'd run Linux, so drivers shouldn't be bad, no? I'm not all that interested in GPU, as long as it can do some OpenGL and doesn't eat battery like a rabid dog.
But I'll stay away from the Zenbook then.
nwp
nwp
@Telkitty it's funny how you say that and are still surprised you get no sympathy when your renting to people for free money scheme doesn't work out so well
Keep lookng for that one laptop that is perfect.
I just need it for virtualization (max 2 OSes) and development.
I don't complain as much since I have the cheapest revision and I've got what I paid for
Its hard to say if poor Linux power consumption is due to poor implementation or design. Indeed, this sounds like the subject of a reasonable research paper.
09:00
(yeah, I'm the "$600 is the most I can spend on this" guy)
Haha :p
This Vaio cost me €800 second hand. It was worth well over €2000 at that time.
@Mikhail probably you should study a few more companies, I have not seen many corporations which doesn't do what Intel does
Just need to find that guy again, maybe he wants to sell his old new laptop for a bargain price again XD
I don't think he was too happy after I walked out the door.
Still don't understand why he sold it to me.
@nwp It's not free money when you somewhat start with forking out a million or two, it's called capitalism. And yes, smarter people tend to do better in any games
nwp
nwp
Yes, drain those dummies of their money for personal gain! Capitalism approves.
09:05
we are renting below market rates, market rent for the properties together should be at least $5000 higher a year, AT LEAST
09:16
one day the revolution will come and we will shoot all the land owners
happened many times
the biggest land owner in UK is the queen
but ... what about capitalists?
Wait, but that's like communists in China back in the 1950 right? Look at how well that ended ...
when dumb people win, this world is just going to end up somewhat worse
besides, who is going to fund all my free apps?
free apps can't fund themselves
09:39
@Fanael I took some time to benchmark your symmerge implementation, but it my benchmarks, it hardly made any difference with the current algorithm :/
user784668
10:04
@Morwenn Obligatory: did you make sure it actually gets used?
@Fanael I threw an assert(0) that actually fired just in case.
user784668
10:33
@Morwenn Can you post the benchmark results somewhere?
how does std::sort compare? :P
@Fanael The symmerge one is the second one. It's worth noting that the first time I ran the benchmarks, it was even more mitigated, giving merge_sort1 slightly faster for some additional cases.
@rubenvb Stable or unstable?
user784668
@rubenvb std::sort is unstable, so it's not even comparable here.
@Morwenn I don't think std::sort is stable.
Ah it's a stable sort
but there is std::stable_sort too.
So I'm still curious how it compares :)
10:46
@rubenvb I don't remember. I'd need to run my benchmarks again.
user784668
@rubenvb If you forced std::stable_sort to run without additional memory, you'd get the exact same graph.
user784668
Because merge_sort1 is literally the exact same algorithm.
It's slightly different actually, but not enough to notice a difference.
Like, my merge sort implementation is a bit dumb and top-down while the standard library implementations are generally bottom-up.
user784668
@Morwenn But the difference between the two is what, one nanosecond per million elements?
This is with additional memory.
10:52
Ok, seems like a tradeoff
Actually I didn't provide a merge sort to beat std::stable_sort, but to have a stable sorting algorithm that also worked with bidirectional and forward iterators.
stable_sort works with RandomIterators?
user784668
@rubenvb Yes.
Ah wait
I got that backwards.
nvm
I just remembered that I probably have whole-wheat left to cook. I guess I'll do that :D
user784668
10:55
@Morwenn But for non-random access iterator you can usually make merge sort much faster and in-place by exploiting the data structure itself.
user784668
So I'm not sure if it really provides any value.
@Fanael Yes, when have control over the data structure.
When you've only got fucking iterators to deal with...
On the other hand, you'll probably have better performance moving everything to a buffer, sorting the buffer, and moving everything back to the original collection in such a scenario.
Ok, if I'm to be honest with myself and everyone else, the actual reason is probably that it's a hobby project and I found that fun.
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Anyway, it's pasta time. Later :p
Haha I think 90% of the Lounge understands that sentiment :p
 
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13:04
How is that for a supported systems table!
Still needs Android/iOS and maybe even Windows Mobile.
 
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14:58
I just wish there is .toString() function in java for int
i.toString() would be nice
15:13
Dutch dwarfs are the kinkiest dwarfs https://t.co/S6w5G5H9u9
16:13
@Telkitty Integer.toString(i)
Or "" + i
 
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18:09
I truly love C++. I know many languages, but C++ is the one that does it for me.
nwp
nwp
@Horttanainen Behold: The anti-lounger has arrived.
@nwp That is some serious negative meta covfefe
19:11
@nwp The question would be: does what for you?
user1804599
Not sure what's worse. Praying, or praying after it's happened.
Ell
Ell
19:53
@rubenvb you're going to make mobile & not mobile interfaces from the same code?
@Ell Well for now I have nothing.
So I'm not sure at all
But as I'm writing a Qt "clone" from scratch (read: UI framework, but leveraging actual C++)
I probably should, shouldn't I?
I have absolutely no idea how to decently approach the declarative UI thing.
If at all.
Right now I'm struggling more with CI builds than anything.
Up next is actual layouting and basic widgets.
Then comes all the boring platform styling and platform specificities.
Then comes a larger framework (we're two years ahead by this time, realistically)
Then declarative, reactive UI crap.
Ell
Ell
@rubenvb no :D
but that makes it fun
If I were to do a UI thing I would have a DSL which generates c++ code
I don't want a precompiler.
Qt has a precompiler
That's the main reason I don't want it.
I'm als still exploring my options for avoiding a central event loop and the concept of a "main thread"
Currently each OS window lives in its own thread.
Ell
Ell
@rubenvb I didn't say precompiler
And here comes everyone saying that is a terrible idea...
Ell
Ell
20:02
templates generate c++ too ;)
Oh in that sense.
You want a Boost.Spirit for UI?
Ell
Ell
but no, I would use a precompiler :V
I don't think that's a sensible thing to do really.
The C++ syntax is way too limiting.
I'd like to integrate stylesheets though.
But in a way that a stylesheet can set things accessible from pure C++ directly, unlike how QWidgets handle that stuff.
Ell
Ell
I've never used Qt
I use it at work so I am always introduced very closely to its shortcomings.
Although i do enjoy its features, it feels a bit dated in light of C++11 and beyond.
And its event loop together with QML is generally quite fragile.
And QML is a bitch.
Ell
Ell
20:11
I thought QML was the new fancy good thing?
also, what's wrong with the event loop?
BIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBS
<<<3 I wish he was mine!!!
@Ell QML is the declarative UI thing.
Getting it to talk to C++ requires quite some boilerplate code, again and again if you want to do it right.
Ell
Ell
which is why I would make it a dsl which compiles to c++
Now he's rambling on about God
And the event loop is something that really drives the design of certain things, like asynchronous programming, which conflicts with everything std::thread related quite well.
So you need to use all Qt related classes, which includes their undocumented promise class, called QFutureInterface.
So yeah, that's one mess I'm trying to avoid.
As I said, it's in an explorative phase right now.
But I've got quite some kewl code already
Ell
Ell
20:17
the idea of having a separate event loop per windows seems odd to me
and I'm not sure what gain it would bring
Me neither, but it seemed natural at the time and it works at least on Windows and XCB/EGL so I'm going for a workaround on Mac OS X that mkes it quite impossible.
You can check out the skui::gui::window class constructor in gui/window.cpp to see how exactlly that can be set up.
nwp
nwp
@rubenvb What? You can use std::thread just fine if you use for example 2. here to do GUI stuff.
@nwp Well, I'm sure you can muddle things together. The fact remains that QObjects are owned by a thread, which in my eyes is a strange concept and unnecessary to boot. But again: I'm exploring this whole thing on my own to see what exactly is possible with a "clean" implementation.
nwp
nwp
Admittedly it is horrible code, but it is easily encapsulated away.
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Q: Are decals on a personal laptop unprofessional?

TimpanusI am purchasing a laptop for college soon, and I have several decals that I would like to put on the back of it. During my time in college however, I intend to take several internships, and I don't presently know whether or not I may need to use the laptop for some of these positions. The decals ...

20:23
Haha, I'm trying to see if I can avoid horrible code altogether.
I should be shot on sight.
nwp
nwp
Giraffe hunting is probably illegal.
Please note the IBM tag. This is my current computer.
@Ell Seems quite natural to me as that is how Windows models it.
@nwp Good call, that should save me.
Ell
Ell
20:26
@Puppy eh you're right
I think I misunderstood
one loop per window does seem like the usual
in fact if you think of a window as just some control, then it seems logical that that control can receive events and whatnot
the problem is when you put this together and then start randomly coupling them to threads
Ell
Ell
yeah
Well, it's not in Qt land, nor OS X land, and usually, there is also a single event loop that handles and dispatches each window's events .
@JerryCoffin Abolish the burgeoisie and free the working class from its oppression, of course!
I'm thinking I might need some smart thread pool thing to handle things launched from the UI things.
20:28
why?
button pressed-> do something but not in my UI thread, cause I need to handle events.
I'm shooting for the ultra-responsive UI.
the problem is that you expose a UI thread at all.
@набиячлэвэли Markx would be so proud of you!
@Puppy I don't expose it. It's an implementation detail of the window.
@JerryCoffin That's still not how that's spelled but sure
20:29
Thing is, it also handles events, so indirectlly, I may be exposing it after all.
what I did was just chuck all the events into a queue
@набиячлэвэли Who's your daddy?
which is read by another thread
so you don't need to give a fuck if the user doesn't process them fast enough
it's their problem to make shit async if they want to
@JerryCoffin Товориш Маркс, конечно!
@набиячлэвэли keep trying, 2 typos left
20:32
I don't recall how товориш ends so meh
@Abyx idk then; nor do I care much
nope
@набиячлэвэли "Товарищ", if memory serves (but it may not--I haven't tried to practice my Russian in years now--kind of upsets my wife if I do, since I learned it when I was engaged to a Russian girl...)
@JerryCoffin yep it's Товарищ according to reputable sources
user1804599
Use Halogen and you won't have shitty threading and side-effect and blocking problems.
Ell
Ell
20:48
and you also want a web browser in every application
user1804599
You don't need a web browser to use Halogen.
user1804599
You can compile Halogen to C++.
user1804599
And Halogen is agnostic of rendering mechanism.
Ell
Ell
I tried to install halogen before
I couldn't do it though
I tried to install something. It didn't work. I gave up. Story of my life?
:p
20:54
@rubenvb If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried!
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Ell
Ell
I couldn't get purescript compiler to work either
user1804599
loool this video is hilarious
@Mysticial I just saw a few of the rants about x299, I think I'll probably hold off until intel decides what they are going to do. This gen looks like a driver nightmare
21:16
Question: a mouse button you can press (and hold), release and both in quick succession make a click. What are the terms for a keyboard key?
You can't click a keyboard key, can you?
tick? tap?
tap might be accurate for touch screens as well, but that is then awkward for a mouse. You don't tap a mouse do you?
Ell
Ell
you press keyboard keys
or you KeyDown and KeyUp them :V
right, and the combination?
mouse: press+release = click
key: press+release = ??
Ell
Ell
actuate? :V
I would call the combination a press
mouse: down+up = click
key: down+up = press
21:32
the combination is a press
22:06
@JerryCoffin you can practice it on RU.SO
well, that lawn isn't going to mow itself
22:25
@Abyx At this point, I'd pretty much have to re-learn it before "practice" would be meaningful.
22:48
@StackedCrooked Finally started Kuragehime
first ep was very entertaining
23:42
@EnthusiasticChair is that what you eat for breakfast? (I’ll leave you to ping Martinho if you think he’ll enjoy the pic)
> Theresa May says the internet must now be regulated following London Bridge terror attack
there again going with bullshit excuses
if you can't tell the difference between internet, web, web browser and a search engine, you shouldn't be allowed to decide how it's supposed to work

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