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00:22
@Aaron3468 Something like: "Can you lift this mountain for me?" "Sure no problem."?
Rude? nope. Dubious? Maybe!
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Can you give me an example where it's possible to use "no problem" in the context of "im sorry"
I never heard it in that context
Exactly! but the guy who wrote the article gives an example that seems a little strange to me as well
> Once a week I would say, "Look, you really have to be at your desk at 10 o'clock." Did he say, "Sorry, I'll try to do better?"

> No. He would just smile and say, "No problem."
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Oh I see. It really is kinda weird to use "No problem" there. His employee signals some indifference about showing up on time. Or rather, showing up on time is no problem for him but he decides not to. In any case it's rude.
00:46
animals don't follow clock, they follow nature cue
humans are so sad, having to follow an artificial mark, usually for something trivial
00:58
I mean, I feel bad for making people wait
You can follow your own clock if you can make ~$800/month without working
And there are a couple different ways to get there; it's not a prohibitive amount :)
Btw, I hate the early-game grind of modded minecraft... Everything is cramped
I worked in a few places and nobody cared when I came to work, as long as I didn't miss any deadlines or meetings...
It's not about whether you need to work or not, personally I think healthy humans should work - it's for their own mental health. I just object to rules that restrict humans freedom, make them less happy without having any really constructive consequence
@Mikhail I'd like to get there eventually
@Aaron3468 50% of software companies are like this, or academia
The flip side is that somedays you leave work at 3:00am
01:05
I think academia is more relaxed than business
When the revolution comes we will kill everybody with a business degree
But I also worked at two medium companies and a startup, where few people cared when you came to work, or if you worked remotely.
I have a C++ header with a private static int, but when I try to set it using a method in the implementation it is telling me I am making an undefined reference. Do I need to initialize it first before I can use it or can I not access private methods in a public method (Yes, they are the same class)
@MarfGamer Well, yeah, you need to declare a default value or the compiler will summon nasal demons
@Mikhail I have a business degree 😭 ... and an engineering degree
I tried doing that, but then the compiler told me that ISO C++ forbids in-class initialization of non constant static class values
01:10
Because what do you get when you open Schrodinger's box? Nobody knows yet. Declare it const then.
I would but the value is supposed to change over time, update when certain events happen

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Thank you, I will go over there. :) I tried looking for an answer elsewhere but I couldn't find anything. Sorry for interrupting the conversation. Have a good day!
private static int ...
why does it have to be private static, that's rather an odd combination
I figured out my error, apparently I need to initialize it in the implementation and not the header (Silly me!). Also to answer @Telkitty's question. The int is private static because it is used by the game engine in order to track progress of game updates over time. I would use an instance, however I don't want there to be more than one instance of the engine in one program at a time anyways. Thanks for the help. I'll be sure to use the other chatroom next time :)
01:17
then why private
I don't want the game using the game engine to see it, it's supposed to be private :P
the OOP meme needs to die
01:30
Why even does stuff need to be private? As far as I'm aware, it's mostly a way to get the compiler to remind you what you wanted to touch from where. It doesn't seem to affect compilation too much.
IOW, the tags help you while you make the program. But I don't imagine they give any appreciable performance or security boost once it's compiled.
01:45
has anyone tried to store a 10^100 number in a fundamental type?
uint64_t surely doesn't handle a number of this magnitude
Yes, it's usually called BigInteger in most languages
But that is not the case for C++, is it?
C++ doesn't have an "official" one but there are a few libraries floating around online.
It isn't covered by the standard, only in 3rd libraries. I cant use those
sounds like a school assigment
01:48
One library that seems to be a go-to is GMPLib, which is GNU's bignums
Just a second
I'll explain it @Mikhail
idk, sounds boring
It's for a competition problem, to represent it I'd love to a struct { int n, mantissa }, but I'll have to get the number from stdin and I have no idea of how to do so
there is a reasonable chance you're doing "something wrong"
Yeap, I already solved the problem, just need to add these corner cases because the problem specifies it
Would you please elaborate on the "something wrong" part?
01:51
The problem doesn't require BigInts and your solution is probably not what the authors had intended.
Fun fact, multiplication is actually O(n^2) (unless you FFT, O(Nlog(N)). So, if they ask for a O(N) solution and your multiplication requires BigInt or similar, its probably not O(N).
Yes, you are right. But do you have any idea on how to interpret an input of that size? Maybe I'll have too use string conversion and some magic, but that's slow
A bunch of people wrote a bunch of libraries
@Mikhail thank you!
Although the time limit is 1s I'll try to work on something
02:13
Anybody working on anything cool?
define 'cool'
I need to fix some issues for a new tenant, also telkitty.com.au migration is 70% complete
nothing cool I guess
more of 'emergency fire brigade services'
trying to put out whatever visible fire there is ...
Trying to figure out how to use tensor flow for my inverse optics problem. Its looking like tensor flow is just a fancy wrapper around stochastic gradient decent...
Basically I inverse problem where I need to invert Ax=b, where A depends on some set of parameters, and I have a training corpus made of x's and b's, and some custom hyper parameters that control how Ax is evaluated. In reality it is a linear regression problem better suited to L0
I find actual optics experiments are more interesting than computer simulations
This room needs more L0
Also a big part of experimental optics is aligning crap, which can take weeks and is extremely boring
Haskell has indenting tools whether you are using optics or not
02:29
Two or four space?
@Mikhail the optics labs I have had were only 4 hours long
I can verify that you can align things right within that time frame
I teach optics labs, yes you can. But its not typical. And actually some planning goes into making sure the experiment will fit within the timeframe.
 
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04:06
quora is getting stronger..
https://venturebeat.com/2017/04/21/quora-raises-85-million-to-expand-internationally-and-develop-its-ads-business/
04:31
Not a big fan of the company tbh. There's a lot of elitism and sophistry on Quora, and it's got an irritating wall if you don't have an account. I would hazard to say that the wall makes a large proportion of its 'growing userbase' inactive, and that the userbase 'doubled in a year' is because they introduced the spanish version around that time.
Idk, even a small part of the market for "information" justifies a huge valuation.
Its interesting how they responded to this problem: I wonder if a similiar post would be met with open hostility today
The concept that Quora is a competitor to Wikipedia is silly, but D'Angelo's intention to make it the 'primary' source of information with Wikipedia as a secondary is a little more silly than the comparison. I do agree when they liken it to Yahoo Answers, and in that realm it's... more eloquent. Not much more reliable, but definitely a lot more eloquent.
Yahoo answers failed because it was also low information density, Quora has a higher information density
Yahoo answers also failed because of Yahoo not willing to curate, or focus the sites attention to anything, at all
Yes, I agree that Quora>Yahoo. But Quora <<< Wikipedia and they aren't even competing over the same type of information in the first place. Wikipedia gives you dates, events, people, history, etc. Quora gives you opinions on whether grenades can be used to destroy tanks
I enjoy reading Wikipedia, but sometimes I want answers. So I go to Wikipedia with my question, and hope to find an answer.
04:44
Yeah, and that's the thing. Quora is very effectively sniping the niche yahoo answers once had. It's not competing with any other major websites, but the article makes Quora out to be the next big thing that'll kill all the other information websites (SO, Wikipedia, Answers).
@Mikhail That article is so weirdly positive.
It reads like a press release.
Actually sorry, its not a press release
Especially since it's speaking about money they now have and are (presumably) using to advertise :)
I suppose it would read less like that if they had contacted and quoted any of Quora's competitors.
 
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07:18
@sehe if you recall a while back you helped me set up a box with ZoL raidz1 with 2×2TB disks. I’m close to capacity so I purchased two more disks to add
what I was wondering is that since I purchased each pair of disks together (same models, same reseller) my understanding is that the MBTF can be more clustered than one might like. so would it make sense to 'break' the pairs when growing the pool? is that doable at all, risky, etc.? opinions and advice welcome
The guy wants to detect invalid regex matches, I don't think that's a good fit for SO.
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@Mikhail but then it's on them to close it with a proper reason
all I'm doing is delegating to the more appropriate places
TIL room owners can now put the room in timeout
Timeout reason: "expressed an opinion with which I disagree" :-)
Xeo
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08:33
very puppy-style
08:52
@jaggedSpire Does Eliezer Yudkowsky ring a bell to you?
@fredoverflow That does not follow from the citation you have pasted.
right, only from the bold part
I was just wondering, why would anyone want to teach Basic or Logo these days?
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Apparently Chrome will soon ship with an ad blocker that blocks evil ads.
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I wonder if it also blocks the evil Google-served ads.
09:39
old news
at least 2 days old
@Xeo woof
aren't there aquatic dinosaurs that were much larger than blue whales?
@Puppy <insert yo mama joke here>
10:03
@rightfold Who uses Chrome in 2017 anyway
@SpongyFruitcake then same I can say.. who the heck still uses browser in 2017..
Ven
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@BartekBanachewicz how did you do it before?
@wilx yo mama is larger than life
@Telkitty :)
10:46
ok, as a wedding gift, should I give out a supermarket gift card or a department store gift card of the same value?
like $100 coz not close friend
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@Telkitty a 100$ bill costs the same and has more value
I dunno, I prefer gift over cash myself because the person needs to give thoughts when they buy me a gift
everyone's different
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I agree with gift over cash, but a gift card is not a real gift
If you know some of the people who are attending the party you can pool the money and buy something awesome such as espresso machine or something
there is no gift registry
10:56
Ok
You can plan a dinner for them. Pick out a restaurant and a menu for two that cost roughly 100$. Then put the plan and the 100$ inside and envelope.
Thus you have put thought in the present, but they can use the money however they will. Success.
 
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12:04
I generally just contribute cash to the honeymoon
But then again that's what was asked for in my case
12:19
I feel the need to whine
A shocking development
just almost quarrelled with new tenants, after have done 5 items in the list of things they wanted to improve or fix, they came up with another 3 & wanted us to fix ASAP
I mean one thing is important so I bought a new stove to replace a 6 months old stove because wiring limited power to the stove
it's the cheapest house in the area, of course it's crap
we do our best to improve
but I am out of patience when they kept on asking things
it's an old house, a lot of things need to be fixed, this I understand
but you can't expect a 5 star hotel treatment when you are paying for a hostel fare
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@Telkitty I thought what tenants can demand from a landlord was specified in laws, not in the amount of rent
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12:26
feldspar: 0: cannot unify types `bytes` and `str`

  Where:

    print	: (bytes -> int)
    message	: str
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\o/
@nwp law says very little about any specific item
like how many locks you must provide keys and how many keys must be present
My parents & I have bought 2 properties where none of the keys for the windows have been given to us
there must be at least 3 windows in each case
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buying has different rules than renting
buy should be more strict
it's like marrying vs dating
I have been a renter and I understand renter point of view
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hmm no. When you buy you can replace windows if you don't like them. No such option when renting. Therefore stricter rules when renting.
12:33
yeah, only $5000 to replace all the windows
that's like 8-10 weeks rent
buying is less strict
nobody else is responsible for your standard of living then
as long as the condition of the property isn't misrepresented
here, I think the typical tenancy agreement stipulates, in vague terms, a landlord's responsibility for general upkeep and maintenance .. more urgently so for health hazards that may develop (e.g. mould)
but actual improvements/changes to the property are generally not something a tenant has any right to expect. they should have rented something else
yeah ... as it is
oftentimes a landlord will do substantial renovations / furniture replacement etc in between tenants. and then maybe put the rent up for the next folks to pay for it
but the expectations may be entirely different in Aus. don't you have an agent who can manage this for you?
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or the add a worthless balcony to increase rent by 40%...
@BoundaryImposition exact the same thing here
@nwp only if someone is willing to pay for it
market driven
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12:44
@Telkitty no choice, it's pay or get out
safety issue so balcony building wouldn't happen during tenancy usually
big improvements like that is usually between tenancy
ask for more rent after building completion
@nwp hehe yeah. I loved my balcony but really it added no practical value
@Telkitty guess you gotta deal with the whiners then ^_^
good luck
the other 3 are actually great
there are always issues but tolerable
I whine at 3 different places got 0 grain of sympathy in return
if I renovate the place I may get $100 more a week in return
but only if I fork out $10000-$30000 to start with
you got some sympathy here
thank you
12:52
you are welcome
@jaggedSpire dafuq lol
13:08
@SpongyFruitcake no
never paid terribly much attention to names on papers I was implementing, though, so
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I never implemented a paper. Do you just transcribe the code?
not with the ones I did, since they usually didn't have code. There were usually algorithms listed, though, so I'd use them and check my understanding with the rest of the paper
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Q: How draw 3D human using openGL in C++?

soonhthis is my code I want draw 3D human using opengl in c++ but I can't known specific Coordinates and angles any one can help me please? {glTranslatef(0.0f, 0.5f, -20.0f); glRotatef(5, 1, 0, 0); gluCylinder(quadratic, 0.3f, 0.2f, 10, 32, 32);

13:24
oh dear
@jaggedSpire Nah it's about a fanfic
@SpongyFruitcake hmm. You know, it does ring the faintest of bells there.
oh, that guy
if you like it there are communities devoted to rationalist fanfiction
There aren't a huge number of rationalist fics for Harry Potter that I've noticed. They tend to gravitate more towards Worm, I think. Also I don't really go looking for them.
I didn't particularly enjoy MoR myself, and actually stopped reading around the part where he gets Draco to think muggle scientists engage in dark rituals.
At the same time there is occasionally some rather good prose, and the characterization of Quirrel (and description of DADA class) is pretty much the best I've found.
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13:47
I'm gonna make my compiler emit an error when you use both forall and in the same source file.
I'm gonna bake strawberry muffins.
I like the second plan better
14:03
I like my face better
14:32
How do I enable fission for debug builds
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This programming language.
@rightfold Didn't know suicide bombers had the patience to learn computer programming
Why is there typeinfo stuff generated in the assembly code when I use a virtual function?
Like the name for example
...Why's there a need for that?
...The code doesn't seem to use it
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@Columbo How else do you make an explosives asset management daeshboard?
14:37
Is it for dynamic_cast purposes?
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The name is for type_info::name.
Yeah but I don't use that
Do I?
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You don't, and you shouldn't use C++.
Oh come on :D
I hope you end up in a company that uses C++
15:38
@Borgleader floof
@jaggedSpire it looks so happy.
it probably makes a wonderfully warm & fluffy pillow too
@jaggedSpire I want to be those trousers *-*
It seems so soft
Yup ^^
My internet is so slow today it feels like it's 2007 all over again.
16:18
@Morwenn Stop downloading porn. That will help.
@wilx I hardly ever watch these days.
And I never downloaded. Streaming all the way :p
@Morwenn You say that a lot.
@wilx Well, don't we all talk about porn a lot? :)
16:38
I feared I had an error, but foobar(std::move(eggs), foo(eggs)); actually seems safe.
@Morwenn Whilst not technically UB, probably, the values of the two arguments are unreliable, so pretty dumb to do
@Puppy How are they unreliable?
16:47
because the order of the arguments evaluation is unspecified
I forgot to specify it, but foo doesn't alter eggs. With that additional condition, shouldn't it be ok?
no.
if foobar takes a t_eggs, it can be moved out of the eggs before foo(eggs) is evaluated
@Puppy Oh right, I didn't think of this scenario.
On the other hand, if it takes a t_eggs&&, it should be fine.
should be, but it's a ticking timebomb.
if you intend for foo(eggs) to receive the value of eggs prior to the call to foobar, you should call it as a separate statement first.
That was the plan at first, then I realized that in my specific case, the other alternative seemed to be legal.
It's true that the pitfalls are big and prone to create problems when refactoring.
Thanks :p
16:59
How to know if standard library function is constexpr?
cppreference does not seem mention it
@Horttanainen Read the documentation. Implementations are currently not allowed to add constexpr to functions that the standard does not define as constexpr.
@Puppy This does not seem right. The arguments are evaluated before the call just in unspecified order. You cannot move eggs our of eggs before the call unless foo itself does it.
@wilx Sure you can. The evaluation of the first argument may be the construction of a new t_eggs, which may move eggs.
^ that
@Puppy Ah, OK.
17:27
@Horttanainen it sure does
17:41
@jaggedSpire :3
@Columbo did you just suggest that all Arabic-writers are "suicide bombers"?
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that's ridiculous, some of them have to do the planning
18:21
@BoundaryImposition Did you just understand my joke? :o
@Columbo not much a joke really is it
@BoundaryImposition Oh I thought it was satisfyingly good
that's because you're privileged
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wtf are you even on about
your racistness
18:21
You're a bit too PC for me mate
being not a racist is not "PC"
I wasn't being racist
I made a joke
Chill out
that all arabs are terrorists? hilarious. you chill out!
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well they all are, kinda
It was hilarious
18:23
Oh, brother
18:45
The joke was unfunny.
@BoundaryImposition I looked and looked and could not find any. Thanks
@Morwenn What documentation are you referring to?
@Morwenn I don't understand how this makes it fine.
@Puppy Oh here was the explanation
Never mind I still don't get it
19:05
@Borgleader :3
19:34
what happened to coliru? did it drop old links?
however that cat command works
@StackedCrooked ping
I'm gonna make me a mug muffin
I have come to this decision following a full six hours of deliberation on what to have for breakfast. It is now 2:45 PM.
19:43
Hello, Cruel World!
wasssuuuuup
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@Columbo lol arguing with LRiO
@rightfold *fucking
20:10
@rightfold That's LRiO?
@wilx Yeah, apparently he renamed himself due to some coworker "outing" him or whatever
Not sure what "outing" means in the context of SO
but it's LRiO
wouldn't it be bad called LRiO on public?
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@Mysticial @StackedCrooked Re:Creators so good. Animation, OST, worldbuilding...
@Borgleader perhaps the coworker was like "Holy hell <LRiO IRL> is on Stack Overflow! And look how much rep he's got!"
20:21
jokes aside, it would make sense if he posted a few edgy comments on someone's Q or A
Lol I can't kill ld.lld anymore
wtf
And they said *nix was good for killing shit
@Columbo works for wives
lol
Dude I swear this process just kills my RAM and I can't do shit about it
My faith is lost
you can install Windows (Server)
Finally
how come kill and pkill can't do the job, but System Monitor can
I thought the latter delegates that command to the former
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20:32
@wilx Yes.
20:44
@jaggedSpire More likely: "Holy hell. Give some guy a few fake internet points, and look what an ass he makes of himself."
@JerryCoffin I did notice he stopped posting so many snarky comments shortly after I joined
@Columbo you shouldn't believe everything you hear
@Horttanainen np
@jaggedSpire don't worry, just taking a break
oh good
@BoundaryImposition You said this yourself and then deleted the message
I didn't assume you were kidding
@Columbo yes, and given that, I'm not sure why you've now decided to repeat the information in non-deleted form. thanks a lot for that.
20:49
@BoundaryImposition I did that to fuck with you
Because I hate you so much :*
Well, this certainly seems to be going well.
So, did anyone else watch Doctor Who tonight?
Been a while since i seen flags
flags flags everywhere
20:51
Been a while since you stopped giving a shit about proper capitalization
@Borgleader LRiO's back. Flags will follow.
inb4 flags for flags
Sorry will delete this
I just enjoy this tasteless joke a bit too much
ironic that I was first "attracted" back to this room last week because somebody [else] had been flagging
So, Doctor Who!
what do we think is in the vault?
I started watching GoT and now I want more
20:53
:36758453 I thought it was refp who always talked about having to stop for a smoke, wasn't it?
I hope you never get to see an episode again
@Columbo How far are you? It just keeps getting better.
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@BoundaryImposition the one with the pilot or the one after that?
@JerryCoffin ... and what are you referring to?
@Code-Apprentice Meh, I find it getting boring and strangely paced
20:54
To each his own ;-)
@Code-Apprentice I watched through all of the available episodes (i.e. until the end of season 6)
@nwp both! but the second ep aired tonight
some episodes are definitely better than others
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I didn't see the last one
the season six finale was very good, IMO
20:55
@Code-Apprentice I skipped a lot of the boring talky stuff
@nwp okay, well, everybody dies so now you don't need to watch it
@Code-Apprentice It was fucking cruel
that pretty much sums up the whole series
lol true dat
@Columbo Smokers -> fags ("fag" is widely used slang for "cigarette").
20:55
@JerryCoffin Boots seems more likely
I'm looking forward to the new season
and when the fuck is the next book coming out???
@Puppy Probably that too--followed in turn by complaints about room owners abusing power.
what the hell
I could never smoke, I had Bronchitis when I was younger, my lungs are more susceptible I think
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For the pilot I felt that they didn't really make the most of the situation. First the doctor misjudges the situation and flees from a harmless accidental echo and then instead of traveling with it to see where it leads they instead get rid of it. Such a missed opportunity.
20:57
one of those times I'm simultaneously curious as to what is being said, and also supremely grateful for the "ignore user" feature that saves me from this hurtful nonsense
@BoundaryImposition waiting to watch the episodes for when I meet up with a friend next weekend
@Columbo I s'pose it might. I dunno--nothing has ever pushed me to smoke. Somehow reminds me of the old line about "That woman drove me to drink--and I forgot to thank her."
@JerryCoffin Nice one.
@jaggedSpire will you be at the right time to finish up with #3?
@Borgleader awwww
@BoundaryImposition yeah
20:58
@jaggedSpire nice
or, should I say ... ice.
@BoundaryImposition You seem to find enjoyment in plonking people, like you're winning some type of argument. I remember you saying "another baby hitting the plonk floor" and shit like that. Boring.
@Borgleader :o
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