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00:08
Yay I'm in the Institute.
01:17
Remember all these 'how can I guess the signature of a functor?' questions? Thanks to C++17, we can give a canonical answer… albeit a roundabout one
cc @Xeo @R.MartinhoFernandes
only works for class types proper and function pointers but not pointers-to-member, but as the Standard is quick to remind us:
> [ Note: The types deduced by the deduction guides for function may change in future versions of this International Standard. —end note]
01:29
because we totally need that '—end note' before the ']', otherwise who would have thought that the note is ended?
02:11
The starting of that time of the month landed on April fool's day
Imagine die on April fool's day - God played a joke on him/her. The end
02:52
I think you missed a word or two there
brevity is a virtue
one I sorely lack
still
words are important, yo
03:42
@jaggedSpire Its only words
you are probably too young to know the song ...
Fuck, I'm bored.
04:20
@Mikhail no hookers near by?.
USA :-(
I just submitted a response to reviewers for what I expect to be my 14th research paper (in 3 years), now I have the post orgasm remorse.
@Mikhail Move to Hong Kong.. I can say for sure You won't feel bored there.. :P
yeah, living in chicken cages are real fun >_<
@ProblemSlover I think the Chinese government is an existential threat to mankind.
04:26
@Mikhail xccome on mann... it' lookd boring as helll.. Hong Kong Never Sleeeps. you can go outside in any time of night,.. and you don't have to worry about safety..
@ProblemSlover Chicago is pretty safe unless you go looking for trouble in one of the unsafe parts. But yeah, Urbana-Champaign sucks.
@Telkitty well i used to believe you live in the cage :/
where I live, it never sleeps either - all the possums and bandicoots will come and raid your food & vege patch at the night
@ProblemSlover I used to live in a cage when I was young, then I upgraded a few times, now I live in place with private lawn
I am a firm believer that humans, like any other mammals, deserve own territories. We are not ants, we shouldn't be living in ant hills (apartments). We should be like dogs, at least with a small patch of nature ground to stroll on.
In other words, humans are over populated. But like locusts, we can survive when overpopulated - until we continue to expand and consume all worlds resources
04:38
@Telkitty sounds like the TOEFL essay ..
04:52
@Mikhail just move to Gary and all your safety problems will be solved quickly
mostly because you can't have a safety problem when there's nothing to keep safe because it's all been stolen and/or the owner is no longer present
@jaggedSpire :D
but, you know
semantics
Do you notice that in the ring & the grudge that long haired main evil female character always crawls around inside a house in that flimsy white dress.
This got me thinking ...
1) to turn those two movies into supernature porns & 2) someone should make a horror in the middle of sahara desert just because ...
You really think no-one's rule-34ed the creepy horror movie girl trope?
I am not aware of it
but that could just be my ignorance
05:06
well I ain't lookin' it up
Tor : The Second-Generation Onion Router (Architecture) : http://sec.cs.ucl.ac.uk/users/smurdoch/papers/tor14design.pdf (pdf /2014 draft*) https://t.co/VLnwFGi37p
05:38
@jaggedSpire The safety problem is a common theme in anti US-propaganda, specifically by Russia and China.
really?
huh
Today I learned, I suppose.
Makes sense.
lets you capitalize on the same narrative used by news outlets to grab more views, so you can take advantage of the apparent uncomfortable admission of guilt by America's own news outlets, so long as you ignore the part where they stand to profit by generating needless anxiety
@jaggedSpire Here are a bunch of Russian criminals talking about how the violence in their city is so bad it approaches Chicago levels. The violence in 90s Russia was much, much worse, but the Russian & Chinease governments have maintained a propaganda narrative that the USA is a dangerous place youtube.com/watch?v=1w8zME-uDtw&t=50m0s
@Mikhail oh my
I joke about living in a dangerous place, but it's mostly with the unspoken assumption that my audience knows I'm exaggerating significantly. :\
The subreddit for my city is populated mostly by people who make fun of those who are scared of it as a violent, lawless place. And it's top of the pack for murder rate, as far as US cities go.
Here is another one of these, where the criminals are talking about they are more humane than Chicago gangsters youtube.com/watch?v=1w8zME-uDtw&t=53m10s
Some parts of the US are safer than other parts
that's true even within the same city
generally more expensive part of the city is safer than the cheaper part
that's not saying richer people are less sh!tty, just they can be more covert criminals who more prone to operate in grey areas
05:57
The "official" homicide rate in Russia is 5x higher than the US number, for example. Yet, Russian state television reports on crime in Chicago.
Isn't that Putin's classic "yeah, but what about ___" strategy that Trump has adopted?
Well, Putin's strategy is to sponsor "fake" or non-credible opposition... But yes, its a classic strategy of authoritarian regimes.
Wikipedia has the murder rates for Russia versus the US at 9.5 versus 3.9, FYI. Probably just different calculations and maybe different years (Wiki seems to rely on data from a single source it considers trustworthy, even if a few years old for consistency's sake)
Something to be aware of for Internet Arguments (TM) though
Venezuela and Brazil really seem to need to pull themselves together though
and Honduras, I suppose
with its 84.6 murder rate
I would assume homicides have different definitions in different countries
I suppose it's a nice demonstration of asymmetry of assumed behavior, though.
straight up murderin' a dude isn't particularly ambiguous. I'd say it's one of the less ambiguous crimes, really.
06:08
for example, China only has 0.8 per 100,000 homicide rate ... when capital punishment alone counts for 2400 back in 2013
I guess capital punishment doesn't count towards homicide rate ... when it's really homicide in nature
then you have missing population
With the US acting horrified at/exaggerating murder rates that aren't that bad globally because it sells eyeballs, and Russia distracting itself from its murder rates by looking for examples of other countries (especially the ones on high horses) having it worse, a US viewer will go, "oh, It's the media being hysterical again," where a Russian will go, "Wow, since they're talking about this instead of comparing themselves with other countries, they mustn't be able to find a worse example."
Or rather, "all the media is corrupt", which is unfortunately what Trump is advocating the US.
while in the distance, Venezuela is slowly setting itself on fire
@Telkitty do we really have a guarantee that China isn't fluffing its numbers? I seem to recall there's been a problem with that historically and with so few groups that both have access to a way to find those numbers and which stand to gain by contradicting the government, there doesn't seem to be an easy check to my capitalist sensibilities...
@jaggedSpire there aren't guarantee on any numbers
and all media are biased one way or another, that's why you need to read news from as many sources as possible
There aren't, but usually in a society with free press someone will stand to gain by telling people that the numbers are cooked. The better their evidence the better the profit, so usually someone says something.
I'm saying that in China it seems less likely to happen, to me.
06:22
but not every voice that telling people the numbers are cooked get heard
media is for people who have control over it
Indeed not. It's a probability game in the end
unfortunately that's not most people
What you said is bullshit. Foremost, most media isn't biased to the point of falsifying information.
and what I am saying is that with free press, it's like you flip five coins and if none of them get heads a story breaks
whereas with monolithic media that has to conform to external standards there's only one coin, and it's weighted heavily in favor of the external standards
@Mikhail but I am sure they are, look at south china sea
06:25
One winds up with a probability of >95% of the story breaking. The other <50%
look at Iraq
look at Syria
What do you mean?
...all these things are covered over here?
I don't get your point
@Mikhail you are brainwashed into believe the lies you were led to believe, and you aren't even aware of them
06:26
one sided news is called biased news
The US media coverage of the Iraq war was pretty anti-Iraq war, although after they invaded
and before Iraq were entered?
I personally protested that war
Trump was elected, media were anti-trump, nobody thought trump would win before he was elected. Something didn't add up here.
I was too young to really pay attention before the war in Iraq started
06:29
trump had half of US vote for him, yet media painted as if the whole US were against him
@Telkitty ...you mean like a number of social factors decreasing likelihood that Trump voters would admit to it and previously undiscovered errors in polling estimations?
But yes, the 2003 invasion of Iraq was a journalistic failure but it was also bi-partisan. All news outlets ate up the neo-conservative hysteria. Johns Stewart's interview with Miller is a good source on that. She says all her sources were senior government analysts, and then the hysteria she made fed into more senior analysis making shit up. Very different from just making stuff up.
in retrospect, do you still not able to see?
and really, the left-leaning radio network NPR did regular interviews with Trump voters, asking about their reasoning. So.
I am not saying media is lying for the sake of being evil, but I am saying in retrospect, you can see the bias.
06:32
...
Also, a lot of Republicans were against him also.
Either you are able to obverse the fact or you don't. I am not asking for any reasons, there are many reasons. But a fact is a fact.
Bias != one-sided. Bias favors one side over the other, and there are level of bias. At its most extreme, biased news is one-sided, yes. But bias can be plenty subtler. You can even list both benefits and drawbacks for each side, as plainly as you can but still grant your report a bias by granting more airtime to one side's benefits/drawbacks or by simply making the most memorable portions of your report (the beginning and end) the parts you want viewers to remember
bias can also be led by personal beliefs, personal belief can be based on culture
You're arguing like biased news is completely useless and should be tossed out, but as long as you correct for the bias by knowing what it is, critically examine your information in that light and consume information from diverse sources you can consume responsibly.
06:38
I never said biased news are useless, I am saying you should always read news from multiple sources
also reading other peoples comments can be a good way to reveal the truth too
Indeed, from what I've seen the conversation on bias in news seems to be headed in the direction of "we can't remove it, but we can acknowledge it explicitly so people have an easier time figuring out how to correct"
just do not blindly believe one source, that's all
that, I will agree with
and now I'm going to bed
laters
06:50
@jaggedSpire Which is also bullshit, because you can have many sources lying to you. If every source has bias you can choose to believe whatever you want. This is what happened in Russia. So, you have many alternative facts to choose from. That is what you're doing when you say "the NY times has bias, I'll read BreitBart instead". The thing that has been lost is the trustworthiness of these sources.
I lived in quite a few countries, I know my shortcoming. There are many people who only lived in one country and yet think they know the absolute truth.
07:08
random crashes, how lovely
I am a creator of inferior code (sometimes)
 
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Xeo
08:50
@LucDanton But the deduction guide still needs to make use of the usual stuff we had before... which means it fails for the same reasons, no? Also, still (obviously) can't deal with overloads, templates, etc.
@Xeo yes it does not perform any magic
it spares you from analysing the ptm formed from &Func::operator() yourself, is all (instead you have to analyse the dumb signature type from std::function, heh)
09:10
My paper got rejected by Nature Photonics despite 2 positive reviews and the 3rd review said it wasn't interesting enough...
09:25
@Mikhail Toilet Paper? :P
Xeo
Xeo
@LucDanton for shame, really. :>
does anyone know how to edit .so files in their native c code and recompile it?
09:43
@theRadBrad Its not possible, unless it was compiled with debug. You can hack on IDA, but if you're asking here you probably don't know how to do that.
I am on IDA with the decompiled C code I just want to recompile it
@Mikhail wow
10:11
targeting iOS10 using xcode 8 is a really bad idea - OS/IDE are full of holes
VS + TFS requires internet connection to move a file
Hangs 15 minutes when TFS-server is down
@JohanLarsson gotta keep the NSA freshly up-to-date on your latest changes
10:30
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user1804599
I haven't written bad code for months.
user1804599
It's amazing.
Xeo
Xeo
You know you shouldn't lie
user1804599
That's why I don't! :)
18 hours ago, by rightfold
user1804599
10:46
That code is typed, referentially transparent, and total, so it can be easily refactored. Therefore it is good.
not.. really.
"I could replace this shit with something that's not shit later" doesn't change the fact that the current thing is shit.
Ven
Ven
it's certainly better than currently-shitty code you'll have to maintain later.
not being able to change it is just one aspect of being shit
Ven
Ven
one of the most important
it's pretty high up there
but not be-all and end-all
 
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user1804599
11:57
Fallout 4 is so much fun!
12:13
if by "fun" you mean "garbage" then ya sure
most of the games are perfect for those who need some fun without making your brain to do much work,.
tips. hints. directions. you don't have to do anything to figure things out ..
and plus load of cutscenes .. making gamepaly like action movie
12:40
@ProblemSlover I like you way of wording things: games are perfect for people who don't like to use brains - people who don't like to use brains, aren't those have a very high correlation to idiots?
That guy seems like a bloody moron, even based on just that statement
There's a reason he's on the Recommended Plonk List™
Ven
Ven
^
@vreshetnikov Only ~15 significant decimals? IEEE floating point affords more! My spidey sense tells me this is rel… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/848516308895444992
/cc @Mysticial can you spot the series expansion he modified?
@Telkitty I forgot to add "nowadays "..anyway I''m not going to make any clarifications as you have done your self.
@набиячлэвэли You know it's bad when even telkitty fillets your fallacies in real time
12:47
@sehe What does filleting a fallacy constitute? Ain't heard that one before.
@rightfold Heh. My code can easily be replaced. Therefore it's not bad.
Verb: filleting
  1. present participle of fillet
Noun: filleting (plural filletings)
  1. (architecture) The protecting of a joint, as between roof and parapet wall, with mortar or cement, where flashing is employed in better work.
  2. The material of which fillets are made.
  3. Fillets collectively.
  4. filleting m (definite singular filletingen, indefinite plural filletinger, definite plural filletingene)
  5. An incident or object of no significance.
Wow. That's. Disturbing. I just tried to translate fileren. Let me search for a better transduction.
@sehe That still doesn't make much sense :P
Duh. Reading comprehension?
I'm working on a better translation. Why try to make sense of the thing that doesn't?
@набиячлэвэли Sigh. It's one of /those/ I guess. Here's what I had in mind dictionary.com/browse/fillet (under verb). But you'll probably have to mentally image "to completely dissect; to slice thinly"
@sehe Definitely makes sense with "to completely dissect; to slice thinly"
I hate not being fluent enough in English.
12:57
eh
there's nothing invalid or wrong about that statement
it's just not something said often in English
I'm fluent enough for 60% of discourse, 80% of technical/occupational conversation. But in those realms I still have the inevitable blind spots of cultural differences.
although to be fair in English dissecting a statement usually implies more of an analysis rather than a defeat
@Puppy Gauging how common an idiom would be is important in choosing appropriate wording.
agree
I would probably stick with generic defeat wording in this case, e.g. crush, smash
It's something I run into in Dutch as well though. Not for nothing that some people describe me with
@Puppy Gee. I don't "have" these words. Now, that's food for shrinks
"bin chicken" also called "dump chook", "trash vulture", "Bankstown bin diver" or "tip turkey"
lovely nicknames I gather ...
Doesn't work :v
a bit disgusting though ...
@R.MartinhoFernandes (hi how'ya doin') somehow I think this will interest you
Woot!!! parse-names() just landed in #Perl6 Runtime version of "\c[…]" to get chars from #Unicode char names.… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/837410773127282691
Perl still leading the Unicode pack in many areas, methinks
user1804599
13:08
@sehe Perl 6 realised code points aren't very useful in general, and defaults to graphemes for sequence operations. Ideal would be no default (but :hoomans:) but this is already a great leap.
user1804599
Perl 6 also has a lot of Unicode bullshit, like supporting all sorts of quoting characters for string literals, arcane brackets for multi-line comments, etc, but :timtowtdi:.
13:31
hmnm
is it just me, or is Stairway to Heaven pretty crappy
 
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user1804599
14:48
Yeah it's pretty bad.
man
I keep forgetting about good recipe sites
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wikibooks
Is that a good recipe site, or your answer to remembering all of them
do people commonly publish cookbooks there?
huh
@sehe I don't think this is too different from \N{NAME} literals in Python 3 or the run-time equivalent, unicodedata.lookup.
@rightfold thanks
user1804599
15:10
Lambda can be an instruction in SSA.
user1804599
Very interesting.
user1804599
The operands are all the free variables.
user1804599
@jaggedSpire Yes it has a cookbook with lots of recipes :).
user1804599
Wiki books and wiktionary are underrated.
@Puppy I'd state things more generally: Led Zeppelin is one of the most over-rated bands in history of rock music (personally, I'd say second most over-rated, beaten only by the Beatles in that regard).
clutches Beatles collection defensively
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user1804599
16:16
@StackedCrooked False. It's about C and Smalltalk.
Ven
Ven
16:37
@JerryCoffin the Beatles are definitely the most overrated.
user1804599
omg translateCFG = foldMap (uncurry translateInst) <<< (foldMap <<< flip allIs <*> allBs)
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point-free <3
17:01
Just like your life, then, eh?
17:25
@набиячлэвэли Okay, we went over this in the locker rooms, but I'll repeat once more for emphasis: no low blows.
:-)
Dude I might be gay, but I ain't blowin' rightfold, lemme be clear on that front
@набиячлэвэли I'm tempted to flag that as offensive. To be specific, you need either a conjunction or a semicolon in there, and I find its lack offensive.
@JerryCoffin Ah, I missed a ", but"; fixed
@набиячлэвэли Ah, that makes me feel so much better... :-)
17:29
@набиячлэвэли Careful--those can currently get kids suspended from school. It won't be long before they're outright illegal...
@JerryCoffin Maybe in the U.S., but where I'm from we respect freedom of expression and do not suppress kids in such abysmal fashion (as long as they aren't gay :v)
17:40
@набиячлэвэли Here we've gone the other direction: the only way you can fully express yourself is if you are a gay, black, left-handed female (or something on that order, anyway).
17:53
@JerryCoffin Ah, the ol' "minorities are inherently better and majorities are inherently discriminatory thereof" mindset
@набиячлэвэли Exactly.
18:22
@Puppy Quite a few guitar shops has "No Stairway to heaven please!" signs posted. I suppose they are there for a reason, so; I'ts not just you, but you are probably in the minority.
@набиячлэвэли Thanks, I replaced a comma with a semicolon. I feel like a punctuation master. youtube.com/watch?v=Qf_TDuhk3No
@CaptainGiraffe Hmmm...I guess if anybody actually thought he was any good, he'd be in there as well (but it never occurred to me that anybody would rate him highly).
@JerryCoffin anybody?
@CaptainGiraffe Well, I guess he did sell a lot of records, so maybe somebody would--but the notion hadn't occurred to me (i.e., in retrospect, it's probably mostly a blind spot on my part).
Blind spots, I've had a few. But then again to few to mention =)
@CaptainGiraffe Some some of the spots on a giraffe aren't blind?
19:29
I just came back from a great trip to Bangkok. I found a bar where they live play all of my goodies. "The wall" was a favourite, the guitar was amazing. The quality of the musicians was completely unexpected.
@CaptainGiraffe I think David Gilmour is quite underrated. Most people don't really think of Floyd as a "guitar band", but that's largely because the solos fit so well with the song overall--his playing was always top-notch. Then again, the originally-proposed name for one of Eric Clapton's albums is still really correct: "The World's Greatest Guitarist--there's one in Every Crowd". There really are lots of truly excellent guitar players around.
@JerryCoffin The two eyes us giraffes are equipped with has excellent overview.
@CaptainGiraffe Sure--but are they surrounded by spots? (they might well be, but in the case of giraffes, I really don't know).
@JerryCoffin The same dude, he insisted I called him Mike, made a very convincing Santana.
Curiously, Mike had a Hendrix T-shirt.
@CaptainGiraffe A good player recognizing genius doesn't strike me as particularly curious.
19:38
@JerryCoffin If only there were so many truly excellent developers
@JerryCoffin David Gilmore is for me the precision of a Fortran double. (I know....)
@Puppy If there were, I'd probably have to look for a different job.
I asked him If he wanted to play any Hendrix. He said to me "Move over rover" =)
Then he played red house=)
@CaptainGiraffe Sounds like fun.
Best time I've had in a long time on vacation
@JerryCoffin Oh, the dude had 3 stevie ray vaughan songs that was out of this world.
19:45
@CaptainGiraffe Wow. Kinda wish I was going to Bankok this summer instead of the Philippines.
@JerryCoffin He didn't want to play "tin pan alley" though =)
@CaptainGiraffe So try for "Little Wing". I've always enjoyed it, anyway.
@JerryCoffin Mary had a little lamb, the sky is crying, and I think the third one was texas flood.
No I asked for little wing of course =)
@CaptainGiraffe Can't blame you. The essence of "short and sweet". I always thought the line "circus mind that's running wild" was one of the best.
@JerryCoffin riding with the wind...
This seems to be a jimi performance. youtube.com/watch?v=YyiwhrJkJ8s
@CaptainGiraffe I'll have to take your word for it (not available here).
Ven
Ven
20:52
@rightfold this guy really is an idiot twitter.com/jdegoes/status/846473929304686592
believe in blockchains
believe in blockchains who believe in you
21:06
Kamina intensifies
Why is there silly questions at +2 in the new queue stackoverflow.com/questions/43173519/…
I mean, it's obvious to you and to me, but OP made a <30 line example of their issue, summarized the issue they were experiencing and indicated their level of expertise in a polite way
Seems like the missing ingredient is just checking the appropriate sources for information, and given the level of expertise OP claims, they may not know about good sources
user1804599
21:22
@Ven No he's very smart.
user1804599
lol I called for a synth and it killed someone and used their OP gun
user1804599
21:57
> I opened this place when I came back from Vietnam.
> "Ah, Vietnam. They say it's lovely."
user1804599
22:32
> an animal is conscious is often taken to imply that it does not feel, its life has no value, and that harming it is not morally wrong.
user1804599
False. Conscious beings may care about the specimen in question.
user1804599
23:20
"I think I need to go and get chemo therapy after this." Well haven't heard of that variant of "this post gave me cancer" yet.

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