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user1804599
12:19 AM
@EnnMichael There are scare quotes in what would be the definition. We can conclude that the article is worthless.
 
1:01 AM
Puppy went on a Cat rant there
Thanks for that, I was missing Cat.
 
@Borgleader le oui :3
 
@Borgleader d'awwwww
@Borgleader <3
So very cute! ^_^
 
does ochlophobia apply to animals other than human?
I dislike too many numbers of any animal
If I saw 200 really cute kitties in one small place, I probably want to get out of there ...
 
1:17 AM
oh fuck
I just noticed it's 2am
 
lol
 
@rightfold A term is a term. It is our responsibility to define meaning. If thing A is "something" in one context, thing B can't be "something" except only in a different context. Either we need to change the meaning of "something", or we need to reclassify A and/or B.
@rightfold Which now that I say it, the "Self" wikipedia page (@Ven mentioned that language as an example of a non-traditional OOP language) says that Self is indeed an OOP language, which is a clear contradiction: either somebody needs to change the OOP language article or not classify Self as an OOP language. (DUH)
 
 
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2:45 AM
@Nican All things approach lisp. Lisp is, itself, the abstract syntax tree all code aspires to be.
 
 
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7:03 AM
in Android, 34 mins ago, by Raghav Sood
"Ahmad's clocks are the bomb, 10/10, would recommend. My professor never complained about my assignments being late again after I gifted him one!" ★★★★★ - Raghav Sood
 
7:45 AM
@Ven are tubers fruit?
 
Ven
@LucDanton no, but you are
 
are tubers luc?
 
I have a function: const std::string& getName(), and I'm doing std::string temp = getName(), it then lets me change temp, but why? it should return a const reference which cant change
 
temp is a string copy-constructed from the const reference that is returned by getName
 
ok I think i understand
 
8:07 AM
@Ven wow rude
 
@snowy500 Note that temp is not a reference. It is an object. So it is a copy of the referenced object returned by getName().
 
Can anyone help me just a bit with a regular expression
?
 
8:23 AM
Yes this is Lounge<Regexp>
3
 
I am not really experienced so I wanted to double check my regex, (yes I checked online with various examples).
^.*[\S].*\/start\/.+\/end\/$
Let me explain what I want/belive it does
- it accepts any character before /start/ except if its only whitespaces
-between /start/, /end/ any character can exist except only whitespaces again
-it must end with /end/ and no other character should be after that
(actually after /end/ whitespaces are okay but I havent added that I will now, sorry)
 
I used rubular.com
okay I'll move to that
weird in the other website it matched what I wanted but not here
 
there's different flavours of regex implementations
 
uhm okay so have I interpreted correctly what I described above?
 
Ven
8:44 AM
try lookbehinds
 
okay one question, even though I have .* << [\S].*<< which means zero or more, except whitespace, why doesnt is accept zero characters?
 
9:02 AM
@SpongyFruitcake now you have two problems
 
I am sure spongy has more than two problems
 
@nonerth Your interpretation is not correct. * means zero or more .* means zero or more of any character.
If you want zero or more non-whitespace characters, do \S*
* modifies the regex immediately preceding it. In the case of your original, * modifies the . and does not affect the [\S].
 
 
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10:22 AM
Today, I tried locksmith:
then this:
now I understand why Louis XVI of France was fond of locksmith
because it's fun
 
@Telkitty 👍
 
thx :D
 
10:35 AM
a lock on a glass door?
 
yes ... because locks on doors are to stop gentlemen not barbarians
wooden doors are not hard to break either
 
11:32 AM
DM:"The dragon rests on a hoard of gold." PC:"We gather the town's wealth and add it in. The dragon will surely create jobs now." #GOPdnd
 
Ven
12:13 PM
Shocking: Muslim preacher discusses how European slaves will be divided. Please, show this video to your liberal fr… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/843263945444016128
:clap:
 
what's really shocking is the responses of those people who seem to feel that the video is meaningful in some way
"Shocking: One member of a very large group of people is totally batshit insane!"
 
@Ven let's discuss who will get bartek, heh heh
 
Ven
@Puppy it's not like christians had the KKK or some group or crazy.. oh oops
 
user1804599
12:40 PM
@Ven Bash is love, Bash is life. lpaste.net/802051156451786752
 
@Ven right wing terrorism is actually the FBIs major concern domestically
 
user1804599
Monkey-patch all the things!
 
3:11 PM
Is there a public service that will digital sign/certificate a document so that you have independent certification of the document contents and date of the signing?
 
nwp
3:26 PM
@wilx twitter a hash of the document
 
@nwp Interesting idea. :)
 
@wilx no such thing afaik. Publishing the signature in the Bitcoin blockchain is a reasonable option.
 
@Ven will be divided in case of victory :noel:
 
4:13 PM
@Puppy Yes, but his insanity is what their holy book says that all Muslims must believe. Anybody who doesn't believe it automatically falls into the group of people who must be enslaved (or, depending, perhaps into the group of people who must be tortured to death instead).
 
true
 
puppy, you are a reg in the wpf room now
click that yellow star
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Classic engineer.
 
4:41 PM
@Morwenn I'm coming for you /cc @jaggedSpire @Ven
 
user1804599
5:19 PM
oh god this episode
 
user1804599
molotov cocktail in the trunk
 
5:43 PM
@Borgleader I'm waiting for you then :D
 
6:04 PM
@rightfold -1 is not imaginary
 
6:26 PM
@StackedCrooked Depends on your point of view. It doesn't lie in the imaginary part of the complex plane--but all numbers are actually imaginary.
 
Xeo
6:59 PM
Mar 21 at 15:16, by nwp
Read the Rules! TLDR: Questions go here.
 
user1804599
7:19 PM
@StackedCrooked It is too an engineer. Likewise π = 3, e = 2, and sin x = x.
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin you mean imaginary as in "numbers are a construction"?
 
7:35 PM
@Ell A construction of people's minds that don't exist outside our imagination, yes.
 
Ell
Well, I disagree
 
@Ell You are, of course, free to be wrong as you choose. :-)
 
Ell
If you have sheep in a field, then presuming none of them are half in half out or something then the number of sheep in the field is a natural number
It isn't imaginary, the number of sheep that are there is a real physical quantity
 
@Ell The sheep aren't imaginary. The number...is.
 
user1804599
to*
 
7:46 PM
@Borgleader :D
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin why?
 
@JerryCoffin you're wigging me out, man
 
@Ell Because it's something we've invented that's only incidentally related to those sheep.
@jaggedSpire Is that why they mistook you for a man? You were wearing a "man wig"?
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
Wig /o/
 
7:51 PM
I do need a haircut, but it seemed shaggy in a feminine way yesterday. Or so I thought. Apparently I'm a pretty bad judge of that. :P
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin the concept of numbers exists alongside the concept of sheep
 
I just started and finished a new project.
 
Nice! What was it?
 
@jaggedSpire Hard to say whether the poor judgement was on your part or the other person's (and not having seen you, I can't guess either way).
 
@jaggedSpire A tiny Python class that represents a multiset of prime numbers, stored as a single integer value.
 
7:54 PM
And now I've got beach hair so a picture isn't going to be accurate to yesterday. Ah, well.
 
xD
 
@Ell That doesn't change the fact that the number itself does not exist in reality.
you can't walk up to the number 5 and punch it in the face
 
@JerryCoffin two people actually made the mistake yesterday, though in the flight attendant's defense, I was face down trying to nap.
@Morwenn neat!
 
the sheep are a real physical thing, the number is definitely not.
.
 
Ell
@Puppy something doesn't need to be able to be punched to exist
How do you punch global warming?
 
7:56 PM
proper environmental protection regulations
 
Ell
Do you think that doesn't exist because you can't punch it in the face?
 
@Ell you elect trump
 
nwp
@Ell you can't, it's a hoax! That's the proof!
 
and yes, things that can't be interacted with in any way pretty much by definition don't exist.
 
Ell
You can interact with the number of sheep in a field tbiygh
 
7:57 PM
no, you can't
 
Ell
You can add by putting more sheep in
 
you can interact with the sheep.
 
Ell
You can take away by moving the sheep out of the field
 
@Ell That interacts with the sheep, not the number.
 
Ell
Okay, remove a fence separating two fields to add them
That way you're not interacting with the sheep
 
7:58 PM
then you're just interacting with the fence.
if the number existed as a physical entity you could interact with the number independently of any other physical thing (e.g. sheep, fence, etc)
 
Ell
How do you interact with a sheep independently of any other physical thing?
 
well, you could probably touch it, shoot it, eat it, just for instance
you could measure existing physical interactions such as gravity
you could shine a light on it
 
Ell
You can measure the number of sheep in a field :V
How is that different to measuring gravity?
 
@Ell That's different from the number five.
 
because gravity can pull other objects (e.g. you)
it actually does a thing that affects the physical universe
gravity exists and affects the physical universe independently of any human being, whereas the number of sheep in a field obviously relies on the interpretation of "sheep", "field", etc.
 
8:03 PM
@Puppy Sheeps too.
 
yeah, the sheep can
but the number of sheep cannot
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes if there are 5 sheep in a field, then the number of sheep in the field is the number five
 
@Ell It doesn't (in any significant way). Gravity is a real thing. The "9.8" in "9.8 meters per second squared" is (again) an imaginary thing, separate from the gravity that happens to produce that level of acceleration.
 
Ell
What does this definition of "real" buy us?
 
it immediately excludes all immeasurable things, allowing us to focus on what actually matters
for instance, one can outright drop all concepts of the supernatural, and especially God(s)
falsifiability is an important tool for focusing
 
Ell
8:14 PM
How is the number of sheep in a field immeasurable?
 
The weight of yo mama is immeasurable.
 
Ell
:o
 
@Ell 'does it require a mathematician'
 
Boom
 
Ell
No :D
Are circles real?
You can draw those in the sand
 
8:18 PM
You missed a perfect opportunity to mention bubbles. Color me disappointed.
 
Ell
Is a sphere real?
A bubble is a sphere in zero gravity
 
@Ell No it's not.
bubbles obey the laws of gravity
 
If I'm understanding right, real things may be circular or spherical, but those adjectives describe a geometric similarity to the abstract concept of circle or sphere.
 
Ell
I gueeeessss
 
@Ell No, circles aren't real either. You can draw something in the sand that's vaguely circular, but it's not a circle (at least as the term is defined mathematically). A circle is (if memory serves) the locus of points on a plane that are equidistant from a specified point. No circle you can draw has those properties--they're not truly equidistant, and the line you draw for the edge isn't infinitely thin like they are in a circle as it's defined.
 
Ell
8:23 PM
But the number of sheep isn't an approximation :(
 
The best you can ever do is approximate a circle to some (more or less) arbitrary degree.
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin how do you prove that?
The number of circles you can draw is uncountable right? :P
Idk man, my feelings are stronger than any of the reasons you have supplied
So I'll take the option you gave me earlier
Ie "keep being wrong"
 
Any circle you draw in the sand is going to be imperfect, because the walls are going to be uneven. Even if you take a string and a few sticks it'll still only be an increasingly close approximation to the platonic ideal. The particles themselves will eventually be the discrepancy.
 
Ell
@jaggedSpire but the particles themselves are just a field of electrons and protons etc. Etc.
 
Phone typing so slow
 
Ell
8:26 PM
There is no "universal grid"
So what's stopping you from drawing that perfect circle, no matter how small the chance?
 
@Ell What would countability have to do with anything? There being lots of possible circles is irrelevant--what I gave was (to the best of my recollection) the definition of a circle. Even if I'm remembering incorrectly, there is a definition of a circle, and anything that doesn't meet that definition (which no physical object ever can) is actually a circle.
 
@Ell What you draw is not a circle, but a polygon with an obscene amount of sizes.
 
^
A star with an insane number of teeth
/points
 
Ell
@JennaSloan but, what is stopping those points from being on a circle?
 
The protons have a size
 
8:30 PM
@Ell Physics.
 
Ell
@JennaSloan well just saying physics isn't going to convince me
Give me a name to Google at least :P
 
Their edges will always go in and out from the center you've defined
 
You can't make a perfect circle because pi is a transcendental number.
 
@Ell Well, among other things, the fact that whatever material you use is made up of atoms. Although they're far too small for us to see it directly with our naked eyes, what you're looking at is (at best) basically a series of dots arranged in a basically circular formation. Even if you use the smallest atoms (which should be helium, if memory serves) you have something that's vaguely circular items arranged next to each other, so they form a scalloped edge.
 
Arrange five circles in a circle. Note how they don't form a perfect circle.
Double the circles, still no
 
Ell
8:35 PM
@jaggedSpire I don't see that as a problem
 
No matter how many circles you use you will always be approximating a circle with their borders
 
Ell
@JerryCoffin hydrogen are the smallest atoms
A single proton and electron
@jaggedSpire but why?
 
@Ell that is how geometry works?
You can't have infinitely small circles irl
 
Ell
I mean, if you place a single point somewhere, then it definitely lives on a circle
 
@Ell Because Euclid said so.
 
Ell
8:38 PM
You can add another point and it will live on a circle with the other point
What's to stop you adding a third point living on the circle shared by those two points?
 
You can have many atoms all of which are centered on a point on a circle.
 
Ell
Right, exactly
 
They don't form a circle.
 
The points don't exist
 
@Ell If memory serves, the fact that its outer shell is full allows a helium atom to be slightly smaller.
 
Ell
8:42 PM
@JerryCoffin I think it depends on which measure you use
@jaggedSpire but they're all centered on points which are on the circle?
 
@Ell yep
 
@Ell Probably. Either way, however, they have some size, and a vaguely circular shape--and when we fit those circles together as tightly as possible, they still don't form a perfect circle.
 
Ell
@jaggedSpire so how isn't that a circle?
 
@Ell points on a circle != the circle itself
 
@Ell Well, for one thing, they still have some finite size, where the points that form the edge of a circle don't. Points are infinitely small, and the circle is composed of an infinite number of them. By contrast, if we arrange atoms around a circle, the line would be thin (but still finite) and the number large (but, again, finite).
Let's assume we embrace string theory (for one obvious possibility) and postulate strings arranged in a circle. We're dealing with...things that are orders of magnitude smaller, so our line is orders of magnitude thinner, and we can have orders of magnitude more of them in the circle--but the sizes and numbers remain finite.
Throughout all of this, we're also stuck with the fact that at this scale, we no longer have much of anything that really has a single position. We can't really say where the electrons in an atom truly are--at best we give the shape of a particular shell, and say there's an 80% (or whatever exact number) chance that it's somewhere in there --but we can't say much of anything with absolute certainty.
 
8:55 PM
Circle is defined as "a round plane figure whose boundary (the circumference) consists of points equidistant from a fixed point (the center)."
 
Ven
9:22 PM
@milleniumbug what about my virtual internet points, do those exist?
@Ell no you can't
 
10:13 PM
@Ven virtually
@SpongyFruitcake ETOOHLPFL
@Telkitty envious of the nice weather
@JerryCoffin the crazy groups argue that Bible also requires true believers to be on their side ("whoever is not with me is against me"). A little bit less of the torturous part, though it's not hard to find examples there either
 
user1804599
I want a 1x1x1 Rubik's cube.
 
user1804599
parseEvent :: Array ByteString -> Either String Event
parseEvent [versionB, payloadB]
  | versionB == pack [0, 0, 0, 1] = parseEventV1 payloadB
  | otherwise = Left "Unsupported version"
parseEvent _ = Left "Expected two parts"
 
user1804599
omg parsing binary data
 
user1804599
wtb erlang byte string pattern matching
 
@sehe Unfortunately quite true. The big difference is that almost nobody (even most people who claim to be devout Christians) really believes in most of the more appalling parts of the Bible. In fact, at times I've had a lot of fun with people, describing people in the modern age (supposedly) following some of it requirements--most "Christians" are utterly repelled by the very idea.
 
10:26 PM
Yeah. Well. It's not completely unthinkable that the odds would shift again. See e.g.
"To Take Back The Country For Christ" - a glimpse into HSLDA and related political [youth] organizations.… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/845749867452489728
I'm not going to be lulled into a sense of immunity. All ideologies require equal scrutiny at all times.
 
My favorite story is talking about how my oldest brother died without any children. After he died, his widow immediately moved in with me, and I started having sex with her. When she got pregnant, I claimed they were his children, not mine. Tell this to a nice Christian lady, and she'll treat you as the devil incarnate--but all of it is required by the Bible (yes, including the part where you say the children are his, not your own).
@sehe I certainly won't argue against that.
 
@JerryCoffin ikr :)
I really like the story-telling angle
 
@JerryCoffin Technically it's not required by the Bible, because what it really requires are irrational assumptions (i.e. they are not children fertilized in a usual way) - also, Hi ;)
 
@BartoszKP Huh. It seems like you want to shoe horn this into the part of the Bible you happen to know about.
Hi.
 
@BartoszKP Hi. Well, what it says is (translated, of course): "If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not be married abroad unto one not of his kin; her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother unto her. And it shall be, that the first-born that she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother that is dead, that his name be not blotted out of Israel."
 
10:38 PM
I like that. Is that KJV?
"Blotted out" is a nice touch.
 
@sehe (Hi, nice avatar!) I'm not sure I follow - irrational assumptions are something fundamental to faith in general, so no need to shoe horn it.
 
> (i.e. they are not children fertilized in a usual way)
That is the shoe-horning part. That seems to refer to something else (only the "immaculate conception" comes to mind).
 
@JerryCoffin That's interesting, and probably I've burst into the discussion too fast and spoken out of context, sorry for that :)
 
@sehe No (at least I don't think so).
 
If that's not intended, no harm done. It's just not in that passage (the conception is explicitly normal, just the attribution is special for administrative purposes)
 
10:40 PM
@sehe yes, immaculate conception was what I meant, but as mentioned ^ I'm probably making unnecessary confusion, because I assumed the discussion was about something else than I thought it was, so I think I'll return to just reading, sorry for intruding :)
 
:)
It is nice to see you speaking again, when it's not even 6 month ago
 
@BartoszKP Quite all right (at least IMO). I think some confusion is entirely understandable.
 
um, what’s that with immaculate conception and fertilization?
 
Oh just Jerry being Jerry. You know, loose morals and religious excuses :)
 
> The Immaculate Conception, according to the teaching of the Catholic Church, is the conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary free from original sin by virtue of the foreseen merits of her son Jesus Christ.
 
10:46 PM
@sehe It's more about shocking people who claim to believe in the Bible. Unfortunately, what I've actually done is much more pedestrian than the stories I've had fun telling at times (though some might consider those immoral in themselves--they aren't truthful, even though they probably don't count under a strict reading of "bearing false witness").
 
@LucDanton That's a nice stack of weasel words IMO
It would be a really nice thing to build a dogma upon
 
@sehe well this is theology we’re talking about
 
@JerryCoffin Oh yeah. Far too few Ananiases and Safiras getting stoned
@LucDanton It seems to relate to philosophy as building a house of cards relates to civil engineering
Oh boy. C++ got a call/cc operator http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_64_0_b1/libs/context/doc/html/context/cc.html #cpp
 
Ell
hehe awesome
 
11:03 PM
> deprecated API:execution-context
huh
 
@sehe looks scary
 
Starting with Python's coroutines or C# await/async, makes it much easier to follow what's going on here (as usual with C++ "style")
 
yessss
 
Ell
@BartoszKP they can't express what call/cc can, though
instinctively
maybe I'm wrong
 
@jaggedSpire :3
 
11:14 PM
@Borgleader <3
 
@jaggedSpire d'awwwww
 
@Ell not sure, but yes, perhaps resume gives more control
 
> Now Boost.Test provides customization points for logging user defined types
better late than ever I suppose
 
@LucDanton Is that typo on purpose :)
 
neau
 
11:28 PM
: D
 
@Morwenn pretty useless, but also quite nerdy, so it balances out :D
reminds me of a TheDailyWTF article where someone used this instead of bitmasks
OTOH bit ops can implement sets and this can implement multisets, so there :D
 
11:47 PM
@milleniumbug pretty useless and pretty nerdy, sounds like me alright ;)
 

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