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8:13 PM
@StackedCrooked Nah they can be kept: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/173045/…
@StackedCrooked That's in no way dependent on SE implementation though. Laws of entropy are bigger
@StackedCrooked They have a good case. Retarded API's are the norm
 
:D
definitely true
 
 
TIL a new word
Fun stuff. Internet is cool :)
 
user1804599
8:28 PM
Is there a subprocess library for Boost.Asio yet?
 
Why'd you need that. You can communicate with the subprocess via email.
 
user1804599
Ugh it still doesn't exist.
 
user1804599
You have to call fork and exec.
 
user1804599
At least you can use file descriptors for async communication.
 
8:50 PM
I wonder in which 007 film got Bond laid the most.
 
9:10 PM
@rightfold In boost 1.64.0. Boost Process (which indeed integrates with Boost Asio)
@rightfold Lies.
I use it in our software.
So, yeah, that was pre-release. But it fixes production issues we had with our own fork/exec API
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah, it's gon' be gud.
 
So I wonder if any other of the main characters introduced thus far are actually (gasp) Titans!
@ScarletAmaranth Definitely!
I'm surprised how quickly I caught up by watching that video.
 
I wonder what's in the cellar :). Also, the hilarious irony of humankind being the biggest cunts.
 
9:26 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Irony? I think that is a fact of life for quite some millennia now.
 
@wilx Well, the irony is established as a result of the entire plot being about "humans vs titans".
 
@StackedCrooked s/Titans/Cylons?
 
lol, I suppose
I watched the first season of that show because @jalf recommended it.
 
50 billion digits of Pi in 97 minutes on my 8-core Haswell with the HD towers. That computation used to take 12 hours back in 2012-ish.
@Mikhail I remember you doing 50 billion digits all in memory. How long did that one take?
 
@Mysticial Neat!
Is because of the hardware upgrade? Or is the code faster?
 
9:42 PM
Both
 
Lol. I figured.
 
Back then I was using a Core 2 era Xeon with 8 cores, 64GB, and 8 hard drives.
 
Which contributed most?
@Mysticial That's still impressive.
 
hmm
 
@Mysticial How long does it take on one of them KL CPUs?
 
9:43 PM
Everything actually. 3x more disk bandwidth. 3 - 4x more compute power. And better code.
 
I remember upgrading from an Athlon 64 to a Core 2 Quad
that was some serious shit
 
@Borgleader I don't have a KNL so I don't know.
 
I thought you "knew" someone who had one and sometimes ran y-cruncher
 
Not at these sizes with KNL.
 
9:44 PM
Just "small-ish" stuff that fits in memory.
 
@Puppy I had a similar upgrade. I went Pentium 4 3.0Hz -> Q6600 2.4GHz -> i7-3770 3.4GHz
 
after my Q6600 I went into an i7 930
then i7 4770k
I've been all-Intel since the good old Athlon
also all nVidia since my Radeon 9800
I used a custom driver that enabled the disabled cores to become a 9800 Pro
unfortunately tanked the card after a couple of years
 
I've been intelvidia for a while too. might change on my next build though who knows.
 
I went from Pentium D 2.8 GHz + 3 GB to 2 x Xeon X5482 + 64GB ram.
 
9:49 PM
I'm kinda hoping for above 4 cores for my next CPU but dont really wanna pay over 400-450 (ideally 400, before tax which is what i recall paying for my i7-3770 and q6600)
 
@Borgleader There's this thing called AMD Ryzen that came out about 3 weeks ago. You might wanna check it out. :D
 
have heard that AMD have been competitive at some points in the GPU cycles
but I haven't been in the market at those times
 
@Borgleader What for? Gaming?
Fucking Intel. They price their best CPUs really high.
 
@StackedCrooked 1) Gaming 2) Compiling code 3) Dicking around with heavily threaded things
 
That's what I expected.
 
9:57 PM
well gotta make a choice
Ryzen still isn't best for gaming (but if they become heavily threaded properly in the future, it might be then)
but otherwise, go Ryzen
 
@Mysticial Sadly its getting shit on by the i7-7700k in many games from what i read and since thats my primary use case :(
 
but frankly, these days, I find it hard to believe you'll actually need the boost Intel can give you in the gaming space right now
 
@Borgleader That's what umbrellas are for.
 
Tbh though, I just bought a new GPU, so my current plan is push back the pc build i was planning for this summer to next year.
 
@Borgleader They're going from like 120 fps to 100fps or something, it's not a difference you're going to notice.
 
9:58 PM
and see what the CPU offerings are then
 
@Borgleader If you're gonna do heavily threaded things then I would recommend you to google Martin Thompson's videos. He really made me aware this thing called "contention". But this may already be obvious to you.. :)
 
@StackedCrooked If were talking lock contention, it is. (I read C++ Concurrency in Action remember? :P Also its a thing I deal with at work too, though not regularly)
 
hmm
do you guys think it's a good idea to name my library the Box?
 
I was thinking L3 bus contention.
 
was thinking about having things available out of the box, as it were
 
10:05 PM
@jaggedSpire sea of puppers
 
@Puppy what does the library do? link?
 
Mutex lock contention is much worse. However, I still rely on them heavily. It's all about amortization.
 
@Puppy Reminds me of The Box. I am not sure if it is a good or bad thing. :)
 
@JohanLarsson Am making a React implementation targetting .NET
so I pretty much just defined a bunch of core interfaces as one assembly, then put some useful implementations of some of them in another that you could choose to use or not
 
link?
 
didn't react come out of rx.net?
 
no
they're completely different things.
 
jrh
@StackedCrooked interesting, I guess this is on the driver level? IIRC the OS should know which socket goes to which process, but it makes sense for the driver to not want to have one CPU receiving data by itself off of the Ethernet card.
 
Just realized this video isn't so exciting when seen a second time.
@jrh Yes this definitely is on the driver leve.
 
jrh
10:15 PM
it's always nice to hear about new driver tricks
 
I am not very happy with the idea of the driver "sampling" packets to figure out which core to go to.
 
Google "Poll-Mode Driver" if you're interested.
 
Q: Could Microsoft just fix the load balancing algorithm?
 
It's basically a driver that runs in user-space and uses spinning to avoid interrupt latencies.
 
@Nican Writing a scheduler is not at all trivial.
 
10:17 PM
@StackedCrooked Not sure all those drawings were necessary ;)
 
@Mysticial I wrote one yesterday. It totally sucked, but sure it was trivial.
 
It took me months to get the one in y-cruncher to work. And it's a very simple design that mostly pushes the real work to the OS.
 
@Puppy That is pretty interesting.
I just moved from Angular to React, and I am very happy with it.
 
React is great
I had the idea for this project when I was tasked at work to maintain a WPF application
 
No more infinite refresh loops with Angular.
 
10:19 PM
after working with React, the whole XAML thing seems hilariously terrible
 
I havent tried React, then again I barely do any web things. Last time I did though I was playing around with d3.js, and before that it was bootstrap
 
I still wish I could replace JS with C# for doing web programming.
I still think HTML/CSS is way superior than Qt/XAML/etc.. in design applications.
 
not remotely impressed by CSS or HTML
 
Hm.
 
@Puppy Interesting.
 
10:21 PM
HTML is just "Gee, if only we had figured out earlier that XML is shit and nobody wants non-interactive applications, and if only we hadn't made XML even shittier"
and CSS is just "Whoopsie, we forgot to make sense"
 
I do kinda like folly's codebase as well. Facebook is the new cool!
@Puppy lol
Cat would have loved that.
Where is he, btw?
 
@StackedCrooked You referring to gems like folly::SingletonVault::singleton()->registrationComplete();?
 
Yeah. I love that part.
erm..
 
@Puppy I have never tried it
 
@Puppy Does Folly really do that?
 
10:24 PM
I literally googled "facebook folly", found the github repo, and found an "Init" folder.
 
Oh well. It's a singleton. It's supposed to suck.
 
and then I naturally realized that the existence of this folder pretty much reveals that whoever commands the codebase is fuckin' dumb
and further concluded that the contents should prove ample evidence for this
 
The only thing I have not used yet is Qt/QML, but
XAML from my experience was just not extensible. Documentation was verbose, and extremely hard to make anything the way I wanted to, because everything had to be "touch enabled!". Also storybords were meh.
Qt/Swing/Forms drove me insane, either with the gui editors, or having to manually create the layouts.
 
as expected, upon inspection, the contents were fuckin' terrible
 
I actually had a lot of fun making GUIs in Garry's mod, using Lua. xD
 
10:26 PM
@Nican So you don't think lua is terrible?
 
It is simple, and fast. It has its place.
 
@Puppy Well, they have this awesome ScopeGuard library that I'm sure you'll love. They also have a seemingly neat Future library.
 
Although the project I was working on were approaching 200,000 lines of Lua. I was slowly giving up.
 
scope guards are worthless pile of shite
as is Lua
 
10:28 PM
Lua is just "You'll get your code written faster if you lower your standards so that you're writing utter crap!"
 
@Puppy Also applicable for JS.
 
JS is even worse
 
:)
 
JS is "Let's do what Lua did, but also throw in a bunch of completely random shit that makes absolutely no sense"
 
Plus, is JS actually really fast?
I doubt it
 
10:30 PM
https://github.com/reactjs/redux/blob/master/examples/tree-view/src/reducers/index.js#L38 ES6 has some interesting design patterns.
ES6 approaches LISP as time approaches infinity.
Meh. I do not care about performance anymore. My usual problem is "can I solve my problem, and make a maintainable usable project?"
 
I remember trying JS once for fun and I hated it. Heard you had the same experience @Puppy
 
Is it possible to quantify under some specific conditions risking is gaining you something? I.e., when is risk gaining you something?
 
Ven
@Nican what.
 
@wilx expected value?
 
@Ven Just the way they used JS to get all elements of a tree. I did not expect that design pattern in JS, written that way. I found it interesting.
 
10:34 PM
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Ven
@Nican how is that reminescent of lisp?
 
Because I would write the same recursive function in lisp? o.o
Recursive, stateless.
 
@JohanLarsson It could be gaining money or just killing more enemy soldiers while not dying yourself.
 
that has nothing to do with lisp
 
Ven
^
 
10:38 PM
it's about how you write code, not what language you have written the code in
 
Ok.
 
Ven
lisp isn't exactly about "functional"
 
Is such general risk assessment a game theory related?
 
user1804599
Lisp, like OOP, is vague bullshit nobody agrees on.
 
user1804599
Avoid it.
 
10:45 PM
@wilx yeah, sounds like a perfect fit
 
user1804599
Might as well say "your mother isn't exactly about functional" and it would be equally helpful.
3
 
lol
 
user1804599
yummy vla with whipped cream
 
Object-oriented programming (OOP) is a programming paradigm based on the concept of "objects", which may contain data, in the form of fields, often known as attributes; and code, in the form of procedures, often known as methods. A feature of objects is that an object's procedures can access and often modify the data fields of the object with which they are associated (objects have a notion of "this" or "self"). In OOP, computer programs are designed by making them out of objects that interact with one another. There is significant diversity of OOP languages, but the most popular ones are class...
 
Ven
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Common Lisp is amazing
@EnnMichael b u l l s h i t
 
10:53 PM
@Ven Reason
 
Ven
@EnnMichael Smalltalk Self
 
11:13 PM
@jaggedSpire @Morwenn @Ven :3
 
Ven
:3
 
Xeo
@rightfold mmmh, vla
 
11:58 PM
 
@Ven I would almost think it was Perl golf entry. :D
 
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