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or even typedef bool porn;
@sbi Astute and cultured observations about the differences in civilized form between merkins and toupes
@sbi fuck, 'mericans only say fuck three time's an hour? they seriously need to up their fuck usage
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@thecoshman I think there's a word missing.
const porn granny = false;
@sbi OMG, you didn't censor the "i"! Think of the children!
12:00
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
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that'll keep em busy
begins gyrating over profanity
@stdOrgnlDave what's with all the granny pron, I don't want to know
@sbi yeah, I saw that eventually. You waiting 2 minutes to point out my mistakes again?
Usually, this would be the time to say Cue... Tony enters in 10.. 9.... 8... 7...
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@RMartinhoFernandes What about the kids? They are in school or kindergarten, I hope. I had none of their teachers call me so far. Do you know anything I don't know, or why should I think about them?
12:01
@sehe I'm HERE already!!
You came early
[sic]
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@sehe Yeah, why hasn't @Tony shown up?
@sbi that's exactly the attitude that gets us the shitty CS grads we do. um. no offence to regulars who recently graduated
@sehe I was going to make a 'come' joke :(
I'M HERE DAMMIT
12:02
@TonyTheLion where?
@sbi I know you're probably being obtuse just to tease, but I'll explain what I meant anyway: I meant this tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThinkOfTheChildren
@thecoshman I protected you from an unbecoming typo
@sehe That's what she said. That one was too easy.
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@RMartinhoFernandes I'm not gonna fall for that link.
12:02
@sbi we guys in the C++ lounge should be doing nothing other than thinking of the children
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@thecoshman Yeah, where is he?
@RMartinhoFernandes I was worth points because I was so quick :)
@TonyTheLion I CAME DAMNIT (FTFY)
@stdOrgnlDave we don't stand for perverts
@stdOrgnlDave I don't need to know you had an orgasm
12:03
@sehe you mean, pun surely?
Shirley you intended to say "pun shirley".
@TonyTheLion it proves that my brain isn't positronic, unlike some people here
It was really satisfying to be able to validate a flag there, and it wasn't even from this room :)
yes I'm racist against robots
@TonyTheLion to cum is not synonymous with orgasm
12:04
@thecoshman Tantric granny pron?
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@stdOrgnlDave What do you think of my children for?
@thecoshman ok, so anyone came without an orgasm then?
@RMartinhoFernandes now I don't know if I spelt 'surely' right :S
@sbi I am sad for them :-(
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OMG, now they're having orgasms here. @Tony is to appear any second.
12:05
@sehe I don't even want to Google that
@sbi lulz
@TonyTheLion Ah. You're behind a company proxy, then
@TonyTheLion it is possible, Google it, if you must
@sehe euh
@thecoshman I consider that NSFL
so I will not Google
sorry, it was a reply to your: "ok, so anyone came without an orgasm then?"
12:06
Google considered harmful
@RMartinhoFernandes I can't help but consider any spelling related joke to be at my expense :(
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@stdOrgnlDave If only half of the programmers spend just half as much time and energy on their one kid as I spend on each of mine, this world would be a much better place.
@stdOrgnlDave you lost me
wtf
it won't let me type something :-\
this is an average day in Lounge<C++>
12:07
@thecoshman I promise this is the last one for today: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsAllAboutMe
thank you for your custom
@TonyTheLion I was replying to something you said about @thecoshman
oh right
@stdOrgnlDave oh hi
@jalf oh hi ohai FTFY
12:08
I hope an employer never asks for my username on SO, the last thing I need is someone looking at this permanently saved chat
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@RMartinhoFernandes The only one who ever fell for your TVTropes links was @Tony, and he (inexplicably) isn't here.
@stdOrgnlDave I have the same problem :(
@sbi I don't find this funny anymore
@jalf how long you gonna stick around for?
@stdOrgnlDave yeah, hopefully, they will never care
Abandon hope all employers who enter here
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12:09
@thecoshman They don't need to ask for yours, though, because you linked your real name to it.
@sbi I click the links out of morbid curiosity - and regret it
if they ask for my facebook password I can always say "I'm sorry but giving you that would put us both in breach of the federal Computer Fraud & Abuse act and open us both to criminal charges"
@sbi Dat's dat Dan
@sbi :O well so I do
TIL: my real name is in my SO name
I would never give out my FB password to an employer, because I don't even know my own password
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12:11
@stdOrgnlDave If an employer asked for my facebook password I'd ask him if I should take off my pants, too.
@TonyTheLion I don't even have a password
@sbi there is no reply to that
(pissing contests become stranger and stranger)
I don't even piss.
@stdOrgnlDave challenge accepted
12:12
Do I win?
just so you Americans know, it is and always had been illegal for your employers to ask for your FB password, because it is illegal for them to seek out information about your race, gender, religion, etc.
@sbi to which my response, as the interviewer, would be "oh please do" whilst I start to take mine off
@stdOrgnlDave couple of hours. I'm working though, so this place doesn't have my full attention :)
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@stdOrgnlDave When I heard that this had become a common practice in the US I couldn't believe it at first. That is so unbelievably dumb. Why would anyone even submit to that?!
@stdOrgnlDave there are 'mericans here :O
12:13
@RMartinhoFernandes WIN
@sbi I don't. I cite those two reasons. I could always give it up and sue them, of course
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@thecoshman Shrug. You think I'm gonna go work for a company where the interviewer took off his pants in order to get my FB password?
@sbi What. That happens? Link?
@sbi what if it's the hot HR rep?
12:14
@stdOrgnlDave Same difference. Too creepy
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@stdOrgnlDave Why would you need legal backup to not to give out private informations?
see the switch I pulled there
@sbi you would be amazed how willing people become when dealing with people in an authorative (fuck spelling) position
just like a real interview
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@stdOrgnlDave I have enough kids.
12:14
any employers asks me for my FB password will have just lost a potential candidate to work for them
@sbi clearly, it's some epic new interview technique to see how much a team player you are
@sehe As Mark Twain said, "Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities."
@sbi because it's America and everyone and everything, from our food to our fluoronated drinking water to our legal system to our basic grasp of language is completely and utterly retarded
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@sehe It's been all over the news in March/April, I think. Google DuckDuckGo it for yourself.
@sbi DuckDuckGo FTW
12:16
Same difference. Too creepy
Besides, if she were- indirectly - paying me, I'm not sure whether I'd like to flirt with the idea of being an adulterous male prostitute
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@thecoshman I am a team player when it comes to programming, but I am not a team fucker with my cow-workers.
@stdOrgnlDave ¬_¬ may I also put forward the dietary problems?
@sbi I feel like you're ignoring me, did I for whatever reason end up on your ignore list?
@stdOrgnlDave Your drinking water is still fluorinated? I thought they banned that. For some reason.
@thecoshman I started off with "our food" re-read it
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12:17
@thecoshman "from our food to..."
There are two missed spelling opportunities.
Rushes off to register FuckFuckGo.com in a hurry
@sbi That sounds like bestiality.
@RMartinhoFernandes To leave their fluids pure, I'd wager.
@RMartinhoFernandes my drinking water isn't fluorinated other than the natural amount from ground water sucked up by a well
@stdOrgnlDave well then, don't I look like the special child today
@sehe I really hope no one has taken DuckFuckGo.com
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12:18
@RMartinhoFernandes Given some of the women in HR departments I have seen, it might feel like that, too.
@thecoshman The F only on the first word works... differently.
ouch
you know what is completely retarded about American food? high fructose corn syrup. WHY? because sugar is much less unhealthy for you. so why do we use it? federal corn subsidies, and import taxes on sugar which are designed specifically to help the federal corn subsidies
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12:19
Well, now we're back to fucking, and @Tony still hasn't turned up. I hope he's Ok?
our bad diets are partially a result of politics :-(
10 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
@sbi I don't find this funny anymore
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@stdOrgnlDave You might confuse cause and effect there. :)
@sbi read up on the histories, dear. there is no confusion.
@KonradRudolph did the makefile idea suit your purposes?
12:20
@sehe He was referring to falling for my TVTropes linkage.
@RMartinhoFernandes huh? nope. both imply ducks fucking. Neither directly implies bestiality, but both it would probably be assumed from both
@RMartinhoFernandes I think it was the "tony isn't here" ARP poisoning that drove him to your Tropes retreat
I'm going to go desecrate my toilet, be back in a bit
@stdOrgnlDave who ever eats the most hotdogs gets to be in charge?
@thecoshman Nope silly. Whoever sells the most hotdogs
12:23
@sehe lol, ARP poisoning.
@sehe oh silly me :P
@sbi I'm ok
though seriously, I would have thought tony would show up with all thay sex talk
I'm putting you all on my ignore list
12:27
:D
looks like another recruiter has decided I'm not worth seeing because I don't have a degree :(
I should be having lunch right now.
Damn.
@TonyTheLion You're just another illiterate oaf!
@RMartinhoFernandes @tony is not a loaf
¬_¬ not a mistake btw
@RMartinhoFernandes wut?
@TonyTheLion no degree on CV mean no time taken to look any further
12:30
Damn, I just missed a Known Space question on Science Fiction and Fantasy. My precious rep!!!
yup, that's what it is
Oh, and lunch.
@TonyTheLion In case it wasn't clear, it was a joke.
@TonyTheLion to uni with you!
(I rarely use exclamation marks when I'm serious)
12:31
@RMartinhoFernandes oh I see
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@RMartinhoFernandes This one?
@RMartinhoFernandes What are you gonna cook today?
bye for now, but I will be back when you least expect it
@stdOrgnlDave 2500?
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@thecoshman LOL! I'd certainly least expect him to be back in a couple of centuries.
@sbi I meant 24hr clock, but what ever
12:39
There, I can now procrastinate at work.
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Mornin'
meh, another potential job lost to the fact I don't have a degree... I think I really just need to get one
morning
@TonyTheLion now you're making me feel bad too :P
@DeadMG well, you should make sure you don't fail
@DeadMG Don't worry, one day you'll be Supreme Chancellor of the World, and then degrees won't matter.
12:52
lol
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13:06
Brief high-level review of Google's executor proposal. http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2012/n3378.pdf #cxx #wg21
@sbi looks like another asio::io_service
> Internal functions that return new'ed objects return raw pointers. This proposal changes that to unique_ptr to match C++ style.
So, basically, what they're saying is "we know our code sucks"?
@sbi I'm confused, where is the review?
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@LucDanton I dunno. I haven't even looked at the paper. I just thought that there's many regulars here interested in this stuff, so I posted the link to twitter.
> One strong reason for that choice is that it’s existing practice
epic fail
13:13
@DeadMG Well, playing nice with legacy is probably the number one reason ugly code still exists.
That, and incompetent programmers.
there's no excuse for it when there's an equivalent which can also deal with that code, but is better
nope, the reason is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
like having a function that takes std::string - it's still gonna work if some numpty passes it a null-terminated const char*.
that's the reason so much shit is hanging around
the easiest way to update something is to not change it
and the guarantees made are relatively worthless
it's like a thread pool, but designed by a moron
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13:16
> Google's Go language has 'goroutines' instead of coroutines. So if it gets functional features, will it use 'gonads' instead of monads? — Peter Cooper
@sbi Stylish.
@sbi I bet you can define a lambda with the gunk keyword
oooooh ddr4
and not the dance game ¬_¬
gunk(goo) { return gar; } // bage :)
Well, I'm not excited about Google's proposal.
It feels quite "Java like".
13:20
@TonyTheLion Hey! That's me in that picture
@EtiennedeMartel oh god, no IRunnable I hope?
erm... I dare to ask... Java's enums, are they like a c++ enum class in that you must use <enum name>.<enum value> or is it just <enum vale>
@sehe I've not done threads with any other language, so I have nothing to compare with, but I did find that Java threads where fairly straightforward to use, once you work out how to use them
@thecoshman name.value
@sehe No, but it sure feels like it: there's an abstract base class that you must extend.
@EtiennedeMartel thanks :D
@thecoshman "once you work out how to use them". Cyclic logic
@EtiennedeMartel ew
@sehe not really. physics is nonsense until you understand what it is talking about
13:26
Java threads are quite verbose because Java has no support for closures (or at least function pointers).
@thecoshman how did you drag into it? How is that related? I could drag in random statements about my family to support my views, but I somehow feel that would be rather unconvincing.
it's not cyclic logic, I am saying that once you work out what you are doing, they seemed pretty simple to use
> but I did find that Java threads where physics was fairly straightforward to understand, once you work out how to understand it
@EtiennedeMartel I also thought that it was terrible
though yes, @EtiennedeMartel, they are verbose
13:28
@thecoshman There paraphrased so the cycle jumps out a bit more
@sehe except that is not what I said
@thecoshman Meh. That's the point of paraphrasing.
even with you substitution
> [... but] I did find that Java threads where fairly straightforward to use, once you work out how to use them
Straightforward does not normally imply 'having to work out how'
@sehe yeah.... once you know how Java wants you to use them, they are fairly simple to use
13:30
@sehe yea I know :P
once I got used to the idea of making thinks IRunable and giving them a run function etc. it was not that hard to use
@sehe not enough face palms to do that justice
I need a fourth component
I don't see the problem. Java threads where strange and confusing, I looked up how they are meant to be used, they where then easy to use
@DeadMG fire
13:34
@thecoshman There is no problem. There is just a bland, obvious statement.
Anything that is 'strange and confusing' can't be dubbed straightforward in my book.
@sehe can you not grasp the concept of something being confusing at first and then once explained to you, no longer being so confusing?
in my game's structure, I have three components- the renderer, simulation, and UI
but I need a fourth
@sehe I thought of Calculus as strange and confusing, but then I took a course on it.
@DeadMG huh, so yeah, fire :D
To the knee?
13:36
lol
@robjb still strange and confusing?
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@robjb And now you find it strange, confusing and otherworldly?
Not really, it's rote memorization and repeated practice, like most other math
@robjb No, like bad math.
we have computers to do practice and rote memorization these days
real mathematics does not involve any practice or memorization
Sounds like someone who can't be bothered to try and memorize it.
Much like me.
13:39
I'd argue that. To see the opportunities where math is applicable in real world problems, you usually have to both understand the concepts, and also have practiced using them sufficiently.
Great mathematicians obviously have a lot memorized, but only because it helps them apply logic quickly. Not just in order to have something memorized.
> and also have practiced using them sufficiently
Thank you for completing my point
@robjb No. You use a computer to calculate it. Nobody in the real world is going to be sufficiently stupid to do it by hand, instead of using their smartphone, say.
@DeadMG Why do you need a fourth one?
@DeadMG Yet if you're entirely ignorant of when to use a formula to reduce your problem, you won't be able to put all your variables into Maple (or a smartphone) and press "Calculate!"
@robjb mmm maple syrup on pancakes
13:43
lol.
@robjb Except deciding to use it != repetitively using it on paper
Where did I say everything should be done on paper? o_O
YELLO
@EtiennedeMartel Because I need a component which can be trusted, unlike the UI, which can control the renderer without having to introduce a bunch of rendering code into the sim.
example: how to not render enemy units which are not in vision.
13:45
I am feeling lazy, someone please point me toward a cheap, free GUI for ffmpeg (i.e.a video converter)
@DeadMG what hardware are you targeting?
the sim can't do it, because it's player-independent, the renderer has no idea which units are enemies (or even units) and the UI can't be trusted
@stdOrgnlDave PC
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PC with at least some level of graphics or what?
@robjb If you use a machine, there's no reason to do it, ever
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@stdOrgnlDave No I wouldn't :P
The code compiles for a good reason
write a function to solve problem -> test function -> use function for the rest of your life -> done
13:46
@Xeo I have a version of that hair-pulling code that works on GCC/Clang without const opreators
@stdOrgnlDave We'll see.
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I saw it, and it's perfectly valid
@DeadMG sounds like a plan :P
@Xeo why so?
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I added one statement, but that should tell you why
13:49
@Xeo you explicitly specified bool
@Xeo that makes it compile fine no matter what
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no
Check the statements inside the templated operator<
I output something there
See any output on ideone?
I was going to get to why it chose teh template over the class member, but that's not my point
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It does not choose the template
@TonyTheLion he's missing the 'profit' step
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overload resolution resolves to the member
The template is never called
13:50
not in this case, duh
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@thecoshman Fuck, knew I forgot the meme.
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There you have your trailing return type, still no output, because the templated operator< is never called
the member is always a better match, unless you explicitly call the templated operator as in operator<(a, b)
@DeadMG Who sends the stuff to the renderer?
@Xeo I see what you're saying.
13:53
@EtiennedeMartel Hence the need for the fourth component.
or operator+<x,y> to be more clear
@DeadMG would that not be part of the underlying game logic?
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Your sentence doesn't make sense to me
also, the fourth component serves to limit the information given to the untrusted UI code
oh... I think I see what you are after
13:54
rofl
@thecoshman Hence the reason I'm inventing it :P
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
JAVA SUX
@stdOrgnlDave so what's new?
@DeadMG So, basically, you got a MVC pattern without a controller?
@EtiennedeMartel no, because I have four components- one of which is a controller.
I never really thought of it as MVC, but I guess you're right, it is analgous in some ways
with the view split in displaying and receiving
and several controllers
14:03
sigh, I need more than 2 cores
bbiab
wanna rent my cores?
14:21
MEF is cool and all, but it's so ridiculously hard to debug that it makes me want to pound nails into my eyes sometimes.
When I used MEF, it just worked, I didn't need to debug anything :P
You did not use it enough, then.
Highly likely.
But it was really cool.
Can you help me with a quick answer about whether or not I should include something in my resume?
@sbi Yeah, that one.
14:24
When I used MEF... it was more obfuscating than having to code with Java but with no inheritance
WTF IS MEF?
@sbi No time for cooking. Gotta get back to work.
Managed Extensibility Framework?
@stdOrgnlDave That's .NET.
14:25
@TonyTheLion Yeah.
There are no references in Java, only pointers.
But without arithmetic.
@EtiennedeMartel There's also the fact that when I used it it was still pre-v1, so it was probably considerably simpler.
14:27
@TonyTheLion A java reference can be reseated like a C++ pointer. It can be null like a C++ pointer. The only thing it can't do is pointer arithmetic
@TonyTheLion That's what the spec calls them (and that's why they have a NullPointerException, not NullReferenceException).
so yeah, it is really more like a pointer
I'm a student and I'd like to apply for a summer internship at a game company. I'm going to include links to my previous projects, but those are a bit old and the quality of the code, while not bad, is not the best I could do right now (clarity, readability, documentation). Should I also link to some smaller and more recent projects that I think have better code?
@PaulManta Summer job or internship?
ah I see
14:28
@EtiennedeMartel Internship
@PaulManta I would avoid games companies like the plague
@awoodland Hey, I work at a game company. Show some respect.
oops
someone got dissed
ok perhaps most games companies?
@awoodland But I like game development. And that company already knows me from some contests that they organized and I participated in, so...
14:29
What's the company?
@EtiennedeMartel Ubisoft Bucharest
Ubi has a studio in Bucharest? Interesting.
@EtiennedeMartel Since 1992.
But only recently did they start working on more prominent projects.
I did an internship at Ubi Montreal once. Never had to show off anything, I just passed a technical test, and then an interview. But I guess if you have some projects to show them, it might help you stand out from the rest.
Even if it's not top notch quality, game code is hardly nice looking, especially at Ubi.
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, okay. Thanks for the info. I actually heard stuff like that before, that you can easily get in but that they also don't hesitate to let you go if you don't perform well.
14:34
@EtiennedeMartel I always find that idiom always striking. 'Show some respect'. It specifically doesn't request you to 'have some respect'. Just to 'show it' regardless
@PaulManta Depends on how many people they need. Games are made under the assumption that the bigger the team, the more productive it is. I've seen juniors keep their job despite consistently writing horrendous code that a senior then has to go and fix.
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@EtiennedeMartel "the bigger, the better" only really works for the art departement
I worked in a team of 25 once, of which 17 or so were artists, 3 were coder, 3 designer, 2 producer
So should I mention those small "projects" as well? They're not even game related. One of them is a mini-bigint library written in C. I was in a competition with one of the other students at university to see who can write the best code for calculating powers of really big numbers.
And the other one is a Bloom Filter in written Python. I had to make this one when I applied to some optional courses.
@Xeo Yeah, the problem with assets is that, not only you need a lot of them, but you can't really reuse them between projects, unlike code.
14:39
^ Girl #3 from right, special legs
@Xeo But 2 producers seems overkill for such a small team.
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@EtiennedeMartel Nope, they were perfect. We had the art team in a waterfall style of development, and the coder + designer in scrum style. One producer was our scrum master
@EtiennedeMartel To be fair, though, we were going for a AAA style game in terms of graphics, since it was the last semester for all those artists and it was basically a portfolio game for them
@jalf you around?
^ Our queen (in Norway) and her actual chair & pillow
Dunno, is that enough OT?
no
make it more OT
@jalf this is how to play a Vanguard on Insanity in ME3 (soooo much fun): lipillai.com/skadiygqdkyuf/me3v.mkv
14:51
man
I love posting comments
because they can't be downvoted
anyone who is interested in ME3 should watch that too. if you didn't play a vanguard, you missed out on the entire game
Today's WTF is top-notch, highly recommended. And on that note I go to sleep.
> But in some languages, like Polish, one plural case applies to infinitely many intervals (e.g., the paucal case applies to numbers ending with 2, 3, or 4 except those ending with 12, 13, or 14).
Holy pineapples, @Cat, you're not kidding when you say Polish is insane.
Reportedly a common feature of Slavic languages.
@LucDanton Wow. That blew my mind

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