@Ell You got me wrong. It doesn't matter whether it's a good bargain. If you have only £10/month to spend, then why do you have fixed costs at £10/month?
Or, if that's a good bargain, and you shouldn't be made living without a phone, why do you only have £10/month?
@Ell (If all your money goes into your phone, the only control you could have is to not to have a phone.) Anyway, this leaves the question why your parents aren't giving you more. Don't they have more to spare? Do they disapprove of you spending more than £10/month? Do they disapprove of the phone? Do they want you to earn your own money? Do they even know you have a phone? And do they know what that costs? Is it a communication error?
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't, but I can't talk or interact with anyone in the public :L or anyone I don't know. I'm rather shy until I'm friends with someone
Ok, @Ell, from what I gathered, here is how I (a parent of a girl close to your age) see this.
1) You should to talk to your parents in order to find out whether those £10/month are an absolute limit or just their unfounded assumptions about what you would need.
2) If it's the former, then that would imply they'd either disapprove of you spending more or expect you to earn some money on your own, and you will have to find out which of the two applies, in order to be able to deal with the situation.
3) If it's the latter, you and your parents will have to sit down and find out what way of life they'd expect you to be able to lead from your pocket money. Should that include a phone? (And if so, what monthly fee would be acceptable?) Should that include you buying birthday presents for your friends? (And if not, who's going to buy them? And if they won't, how are you supposed to be able to have friends?)
4) You will have to learn to keep a budget. That is hard, and takes a lot of practice, and you will likely need some help in the beginning. But you will have to learn to do that. Ask them to help you. They could help by slowly transfering more and more financial responisbility to you. Start out from typical pocket money expenses, then extend to school material expenses, clothes, shoes etc., until you manage all of your money on your own. Plan a few years for that.
However, my gut feeling (again, from what little I heard from you, so take this with a pot of salt) is that it's mostly a problem of you and your parents not having communicated about the issue in a long time. For a 16yo old boy in the UK, £2.50/week seems a rather tight budget.
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@StackedCrooked depends on what you deem as expensive - unlimited internet & texts plus 250 minutes I think is very reasonable. But I can't afford it :L
@DeadMG our family is "too poor to be rich but too rich to be poor" - almost middle class or something. I have lots of luxuries at home - which may be one reason that I aren't getting mroe than £10 a month
@RMartinhoFernandes Or depends on how much you use it. That kind of contract is virtually unlimited use. You can, of course, get much cheaper if you use it less.
I've started reading this book. The title is a little misleading in that it's not really about getting rich, but more about intelligent money management (and likely getting somewhat rich in the long term). So far I'm liking it.
@Ell My family is too rich for me to qualify for government support for my university course, but poor enough that paying it ourselves is still a big deal.
of course, my parents are always pointing out how much they pay for me to attend university, which doesn't really help matters for me
@MooingDuck You know, I can kind of understand the POV leading to that. Still, I disapprove of it. I would want my kids to slowly grow into managing their own budget. For that to happen, they have to start with little money and little responsibility, and build up from there. Not giving your kids anything and then supposing them to be able to manage their own income resembles teaching them swimming by throwing them into the river.
@Ell I had 120mins + weekend flat + 40SMS, plus Internet flat (which reverts to GPRS if I overuse it) for €30/month. I had to up it to 80SMS for another €5, because I was sending about 60SMS. I consider this luxury, and my kids have to live with way less than that.
@DeadMG :/ that does suck. My father has been looking with my brother at his student loan (under the new scheme) and basically, unless he earns >60k, he is taxed until he is 30
effectively, the new student loan scheme is a "student tax" until it gets written off
if you don't drink at university, then you're some kind of freak, and the entire system is set up exclusively for the purpose of getting students wasted
@sbi I don't think I participated here during my first year. But it was, literally, nothing but the Union and our hall encouraging us to go out and binge every single night for weeks on end.
I feel like I'm missing the bandwagon by not drinking at all, and the drugs and the sex (although this is involuntary celebacy ;)) and the smoking. And being good at school. Being responsible is for pussies it seems
I'm still stunned at the price differences in phone plans. Looking at sbi's plan, closest my company provides is 450mins + 40SMS+ 75MBdata = $58 (€44). However, theres about 55% extra in fees, so sbi's plan would cost me ~€68.62/mo. And he's paying €30/mo.
@Ell IMO there's no need to not to drink at all, but at 16 there's absolutely no harm in not forcing the issue, and not drinking at all is certainly a lot better than drinking to much. As for sex: early sex is overrated. First find yourself a good relationship, which might take time. (If it's urgent, you can always wank. :)) About tobacco and (other) drugs: There's no need at all.
@Ell The people who tend to want you 'loosened up' in my experience have been the people who want to bring you down to the level they understand of drunken stupidity.
@Ell 16 is the legal drinking age here in Belgium. When I was that age never had any interest in alcohol. Perhaps a 3 glasses of wine on Christmas eve and feeling sleepy after that.
@Ell IYAM: Have a taste of some(!) alcohol, preferably at home or with some friend who does not want you to drink in order to "loosen up". See whether you could acquire a taste for the stuff. If not, don't worry. I learned to like beer when I was 26. (And I learned to drink wine ~22.) Until then, I just thought it tastes terrible. That seems to have done no harm to me.
@ScarletAmaranth I first tried it when I wanted to understand Yuki Kajiura when she was addressing the audience. Didn't understand much of it even with slowdown :(
@sbi I started drinking at 16. But I started liking beer (and I mean real beer) somewhere around 20. Now I regularly raid microbreweries. As for wine, I only recently started drinking some. It's slowly sinking in.
@Ell Alcohol is not a good medication against depression. It might make you feel better in the short term, but you'll need higher dosage over time. It's really the worst thing you can do.
@Ell So my advice stays the same: Get help about that ASAP. At 16, you might still be able to overcome that habit. If you wait another 5 years to tackle it, it might end up staying with you for the rest of your life. I am very serious about this. You a lot less chances to get out of this yourself than if you have help. And you need to get out of it.
@Ell If it helps to see another person agree, being emotional doesn't make you a 'wuss'. And that kind of habit is definitely something you want to have support with. That's hard to beat on your own.
@Ell You might think your situation is easier than mine, and I should thus feel better. But what if my situation was only twice as bad as yours, but I felt a hundred times as bad? Then I am the wuss, and you are the though one.
Oh I see what you mean. Well if your situation is worse then i think you should be able to feel as many times as worse as you like because the actual situation is worse
People can make a big deal out of things and it doesn't really bother me too much (I'm not talking your situation here - obviously that isn't something a 16 year old would deal with) but when I make a deal out of soemthing I feel like I'm bothering everyone
@Ell Well, but how do you measure how bad a psychologically hard situation is compared to some other situation? And how do you measure how bad someone feels, compared to someone else?
@Ell So the result of that is that you cannot compare mental hardships. There's no way to reliably say "this is worse than that, so this guy should feel less bad than that guy", and there's no way to check whether those two guys stick to that.
@Ell Yes, it could, and sometimes that's obvious. But when it isn't obvious, you cannot tell which is worse, and you cannot say whether how bad someone feels about something is proportional to what that someone had to go through.
So all you can do is to accept the level of feeling bad someone experiences and try to help them, never mind whether you could deal with what that person had to live through better or worse.
@Ell That's the thing: you don't want to tell (someone who knows you), and neither does he want to tell anyone. That's all understandable, but you won't get help unless you tell someone.
@sbi yeah :/ I would feel like I had betrayed him if I told his parent but also I want him to have help. But also, his family does not have a good background - his mother isn't the best of mothers and he does not talk to his father. So I don't know if his mother is the best person to tell?
@sbi I say that I think it's possible. You're making the stronger statement. What I do know is that emotion is determined by the concentration of certain neurotransmitters (dopamine, serotonine) in synapses. I'm not sure if they can measure that with today's technology, but it should be.
@StackedCrooked the article I linked heavily implies that nobody knows how or if it can be done. It implies that most scientists didn't think it could be.
Also psychiatrist have a predetermined set of questions to determine the severity of a depression. This gives an indication of how "deep" a person is, and the likelyhood of suicide etc..
@MooingDuck When I was 10-15, I kept reading those books about a Dakota boy. I loved them. They tried to become tough by exercising their ability to stand pain. One thing they did was putting pebbles into their hands which they had removed from the fire. A boy was good if he could stand those pebbles to burn into his hands a certain depth without having pain showing on his face. Now, do they suffer less than we do, or do they suffer the same, but are better at enduring. And is there a difference?
@Ell You definitely shouldn't talk to his parents without his consent! What I was suggesting was that you two help each other to work up the courage to talk each to his parents so you can get help.
@MooingDuck Yeah. And what I was saying was that I think the question whether someone suffers more than someone else (and whether this correlates to how bad was whatever made that person suffer) is a philosophical question, not a medical one.
The point is, antidepressants and other medicines are almost as badly understood as ECT. Nobody understands exactly how they help. Some of them are given based on what's officially called a "paradox reaction." (Like Ritalin actually being an upper, but given to ADHD kids will get them down. Nobody understands why.) And there's thousands(!) of studies what antidepressants do to you when you are not depressive, and it's still non-conclusive.
@sbi I agree with that. I was mainly opposed to the idea that emotion can inherently not be measured. Because that would make emotion something supernatural. Which I don't think it is.
all you would have to do is define emotion as, say, the product of the position and velocity of an electron, and you can get something inherently unmeasurable but also not at all supernatural.