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22:01
I'm a spectator and pretty much the only musical skill I have is reading sheet music and playing notes.
that can easily turn into playing an instrument with proficiency.
all you'd have to do is get yourself a good book on the subject, and a metranome
or, these days, metranome app
That's true. I've considered learning to sing or play an instrument enough that I probably will. On the other hand, it's very likely to only remain a hobby, so I'm not in a hurry to pretend I'm a famous-musician-in-the-making like all the people I know who are developing their talents
@Aaron3468 one more little secrete, start playing slow, very slow, when you play it perfectly slow 3 times in a row, increase the tempo, until you reach the desired tempo. And it's not about becoming famous at all.
@Aaron3468 it's about having a passion for something. It doesn't really matter what that passion is either... lol
@Aaron3468 and playing music isn't something you can fake your way into being passionate about it. Or at least, fake your way into being perceived passionate about it.
@Aaron3468 you have to be , to become good at it ;)
@johnathon minor pentatonic is a stretch (there is none, it's just pentatonic) and minor harmonics? I suppose you may mean "harmonic minor scale"
That's not a genre or style though
@johnathon He was exposted to a multitude of plinks
@sehe pentatonic = 5 notes, minor or major, there's a major pentatonic like there's a minor pentatonic, and Major pentatonic = most of the country music out there, while minor pentatonic = most fof the blues out there, along with early metal
22:16
Same scale
@sehe lol, I was about to do the same ^_^; Glad I wasn't the only one
@johnathon Do you play the guitar?
@sehe guitar, saxophone, etc...
"etc". I too play that
and it's not the 'same' scale
at all.,
22:17
Good for you. It's only the same notes of course.
no, it's not.
but ... are you a musican?
... what difference does it make? You were making some points.
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@Ven read this shitstorm twitter.com/dhh/status/787566783016407041 smugface8 is going full straw man 😂
Now about the harmonics, you weren't referring to guitar harmonics, then
no , i was referring to the minor harmonic scale.
22:19
The harmonic minor scale then, like I suggested before. Ok (There is no harmonic scale. There's a harmonic "version" of the minor scale)
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Hoi sehe
Allo
sehe, if you play the minor scale and the minor harmonic scale note position to note position togather they are not the same scale
you can DERIVE the minor harmonic scale from the minor scale, but thats not how it was created
@johnathon Precisely. Apparently when you or I read what I said, they are also not the same thing.
@johnathon It was never created in the first place.
I suppose scales are just as controversial a topic in music as languages are in programming
22:22
@sehe it very much was created, otherwise we wouldn't have that cultural reference to go along with it
Which one.
@Aaron3468 lol
@sehe which collection? region? time?
@sehe persia
What cultural reference goes with harmonic minor?
@sehe 900 ac... the moors invade inberia.. the minor harmonic scale was tought ... along with the koran...
@johnathon That's an association. And it doesn't go with Persia. Persia would go with the Persian scale, which is a different one. And it's correlation stems from the fact that Persian injects a second augment second, where harmonic sports only one. But the Persian scale was not created. In any real sense of the word (there was no creator or time of creation).
And the harmonic minor scale evolved simply from people finding a lack of leading-tone (halftone suspension to the tonic) in other minor modes a great loss, and adding it back.
22:26
@rightfold I think that paulg has this one. I probably wouldn't support firing anyone for their political views. Employment and politics should be separate (unless you work in politics obviously).
@sehe then the issue is the understanding of creation. You view creation as an event that has a recorded history, i view creation as an event that produced knowledge
Language isn't knowledge, in my book. But hey, that's up for debate
@sehe there's a lot of linguists that would probably disagree with you.
Also, it wasn't an event, still. I already mentioned that weakness. It still applies even to your more loose "definition"
I view creation as a process shaped by events
22:27
@sehe it was an event, someone at some point in time had to be the first person to play that scale.
That doesn't create the concept you refer to.
@sehe but it does. before that scale was played, it had never been played before, so it has a date of creation , we simply do not know it
Never mind. I was just responding to your kinda top-heavy response to the question which genre you play.
14 mins ago, by sehe
That's not a genre or style though
Let's talk about that. Or not.
@johnathon What if multiple people created it independently?
@johnathon That's like saying the word "table" was created. I'll tell you, it wasn't. It was probably simultaneously invented for many things and then agreed upon later through propagated use.
22:30
@Puppy then it has multiple creators, unless one created it before all others..... the same concept we use for things like, who created calculus
@johnathon In other words, I disagree with the opinion that there is a definite point of creation; Evidence I've been exposed to leads me to believe changes to previously existing things iteratively create new things
nobody created calculus.
it always existed
we just did not know it prior
However, scales have a lot less universal mathical quality than calculus
(Though they have a lot of interesting mathematical qualities even so)
I dunno
22:31
I mean, a scale is just a bunch of notes of particular frequencies, right?
it's hard for me to imagine that a particular sound frequency distribution over time never, ever happened anywhere in the entire Universe prior to us
@Puppy the notes we have are based on a 440 hz vibration...
@Puppy that's where A is
@Puppy and every multiple of it, is A
guessing that noises of 440hz exist other than by us
Not in all genres. If I recall, Indian music uses many more tones than classical music theory (mostly originating from Europe, to my knowledge) based on 440 Hz
A new victim
22:33
noticed that before
Hint. All scales are relative, so the base pitch is incidental (and historical has shifted around significantly in all cultures)
@Aaron3468 ;) that's why i said we have.. western music.
@sehe it shifts alot, i use the symphonic reference of A. Every tuner you pick up will have a 440hz A. just saying.
But yes, tunings varied. Pythagoras may have formalized the first, simplistic one. But many other de-facto tunings exist. And indeed many indigenous scales employ intervals that have no simple mathematical underlying tuning model
@johnathon Thanks
There's Werckmeister I, II, III. I forget one older one. And of course wohltemperiert
@Puppy let x = R. Any a which is in R, is also an element of x :D
Very easy theorem to prove
So the universe has been playing music long before us
I'm getting flash backs to the very first conversations I remember having with @Morwenn I think
22:39
@sehe base tunings are a totaly different thing than tonal distances when referring to scales. Take the major scale, it's tonal distance is step, step, half step, step, step, step, half step. I can change the open tuning of a guitar, and the major scale still has that same tonal distance. The position i place my fingers on the fretboard changes, because of the tuning, but the scale does not.
Keep telling me. I get the impression you only talk, and don't even read what others say
@sehe i get that impression of you as well.
So. Who's fault is it :)
Nov 27 '11 at 21:47, by sehe
@AlfPSteinbach: wut? I have been tuning violins, guitars and even my own grand piano all my life.
@sehe Unfortunately I'm getting flashbacks to a younger me, and I can see why we occasionally clashed in the past Q.Q Sorry
Yeah. That would be mutual then (don't recall it btw)
I was referring to a very pleasant conversation, by the way, but I can't seem to find it :(
22:43
Oh, a discussion about historical scales? Ping me if you find it because I'd love to look into it a bit more
Mar 26 '13 at 23:16, by sehe
@CaptainGiraffe Anyways, didn't we go over temperaments (starting from Pythagorean) somewhere begin 2011?
I think I might have confused @Morwenn and @CaptainGiraffe or maybe they were both there
On second thoughts, I think Morwenn came a bit later in the history of the lounge
23:00
@sehe so when you tune your grand piano, do you add a little dissonance between the two strings of the note?
I don't think so. Though I aim for a certain "character". So if checked, it might turn out to be.
In fairness, I stopped trying to tune piano's. I'm too clumsy (and possibly not patient enough).
I get annoyed that my tunings don't "stick". I mean, not even when I remove the handle.
in fairness, it's a bit too dangerous to do... which is why it costs so much to get it done.
So I just use it to touch up when my piano gets slightly out of tune.
Usually it's just a few notes - and mainly in the treble registers
@johnathon Yup. It's very easy to get tangled up in "Oh this is much better now" and then wrecking the inter-octave relations.
I guess I never learned a valid strategy/system to approach the whole gamut
23:05
@sehe two strings playing the exact same note dosn't sound right to the human ear, or, rather, most human ears.. there's always an odd view... the likelyhood of you doing it by ear and the strings being exact is slim.
It's not easy to get an "in" with piano tuners too. Unless you actually become an intern. It's a small miracle my sister was able to get me professional tuning equipment to begin with (she's a professional violinist and knew some of the technicians at the local workshop)
that's because it's dangerious
Huh. Physically dangerous?
imagine what would have happened to your head if one of those strings broke
...
23:06
@sehe I'm good buddies with the guy that tunes my piano. It is hard work for the ear and mind. This guy has been doing it for 20+ years.
I broke one string all my life. And that was while playing :)
good thing it was while you was playing rather than tuning it.
@sehe and when that happened you also realised you were naked in front of your audience
Now he relies heavily on electronics and does the finishing touches by hand.
lol luc
23:07
> Rolling back uninstall of reportlab
So that means installation was succesful, right?
uh...
@LucDanton lol
probably successful on the clean up..
or .. uninstall of ... did you cancel an uninstall?
I don't think so:
I didn't order it. I just said sudo pip install --upgrade reportlab
the upgrade uninstalls the old version to install the new version
it failed to find gcc .... for what ever reason
so the uninstall did not happen
and your still on the old version
23:10
Let's hope it didn't ruin it indeed.
@sehe well it was all building in tmp ..... i doubt your OS has python installed there, much less it's libs..
Oh. You mean, not in /tmp - yeah obviously
exactly
@johnathon "Rolling back uninstall" pretty much by definition refers to other locations though
it's python...
I'm not disagreeing with you. I just think it's a general failure message in this case
23:15
It turns out, it wasn't not finding GCC. It wasn't finding python.h so that's installed now
Yay. I can now prove that upgrading to reportlabs 2.7 on Ubuntu 12.04 solves our production bug :)
Thank god that is almost EOL
ever had a customer that upgraded their system and it resulted in your accounting department not having complete remittance advice in a quater?
@sehe why are you using that highly outdated version of ubuntu? Or did they just jump to 16 when i wasn't looking?
I believe all the relevant information including my feelings about it are right there
@johnathon Similar things have happened (no idea what remittance advice is though. Nor quater for that matter lol (assuming quarter))
quater of the year, remittance advice is the summary breakdown of the lump sum payment you get from a customer that the accounting department uses to validate the payment against our internal invoices of the product we ship to the customer, as well as our direct ship suppliers as they are included in that lump sum payment as well.
When your accounting department has incomplete information and it's your responsiblity to acquire and parse that information ....... life is fun i attest
23:25
Adverb: quater (not comparable)
  1. four times
  2. often
12 / 4 = 3 , every 3 months
define: quarter -- that's too verbose
I was referring to the orthographic mistake
in the USA if you say quarter in reference to accounting you mean the year
quater of the year
23:27
I'm pretty sure it's quarter. But I'm in no mood to prove it
that's when corporate profits are reported
I know what a quarter is.
too old to edit.
Too young to type :)
or simply doesn't care enough?
23:28
Clearly the latter.
23:44
Well then, time to flash an old router so it can repeat the wifi network. I should probably see if the OEM firmware is already able to do it.
Vintage YT comment. I can't say it's /wrong/. It's certainly dubious as the comment to a technical talk
Orthographic projection (or orthogonal projection) is a means of representing a three-dimensional object in two dimensions. It is a form of parallel projection, where all the projection lines are orthogonal to the projection plane, resulting in every plane of the scene appearing in affine transformation on the viewing surface. A lens providing an orthographic projection is known as an (object-space) telecentric lens. The term orthographic is also sometimes reserved specifically for depictions of objects where the axis or plane of the object is also parallel with the projection plane, as in multiview...
Freud is on to me
My vocabulary is expanding in an unexpected manner.
Ornithography is interesting too
But orthography is probably what you mean

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