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9:01 PM
an hour, you say?
 
It wouldn't be the first time that happened.
 
1 hour later
 
But it's common at later hours (GMT).
@StackedCrooked Nice try.
 
I have a topic we can talk about
LOL :P
 
What's the prize for guessing the topic?
 
9:05 PM
a billion million Hegemony dollars
 
I wonder what could it be.
 
Hello, pls can somebody tell me in which library is located function ns_initparse and where can I get its source code? It has something to do with DNS resolving.
 
Some kind of DNS resolving library, then.
 
hmm ok, i have expressed badly. I know that is should be in resolv.h or arpa/nameser.h. I would like to see how is this function implemented and I dont know how to find these source codes in my linux os
 
My bilinear interpolation works exactly the same as choosing closest pixel. I'm confuzzled.
The hell.
 
9:26 PM
@JoshuaBoshi Wild guess: mDNSResponder?
 
0
A: Testicles as food?

alcide bavaBest to try them first raw & preferably still attached to the man they belong to. Don't bite to hard though ;)

lol
@AlfPSteinbach ^^
 
Well, i thought the follow up to silence of the lambs was gruesome, eating the brains out of a man still alive IIRC. it was also out of character for miss detective whatever.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Lol you asked that question.
 
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A: C++ private virtual inheritance problem

Johannes Schaub - litbFor the second question, it is probably because you don't cause it to be implicitly defined. If the constructor is merely implicitly declared, there is no error. Example: struct A { A(int); }; struct B : A { }; // goes fine up to here // not anymore: default constructor now is implicitly define...

comments thread ^^
@AlfPSteinbach but I can't deny i would find it interesting to see how the man would react on removing certain parts of the brain!
perhaps at some time he would forget certain part of his history? at other points he couldn't get to differ between colors ^^
 
@StackedCrooked sorry, no. I am using it in openBSD, so no windows
 
9:33 PM
@AlfPSteinbach Clarice Starling. She was drugged though.
 
"Lecter is later seen on a flight with boxed lunch on his pull-down table. As he prepares to eat his meal, including a small cooked portion of Krendler's brain, a young boy seated next to him asks to try some of his food. Lecter lets the boy eat some of his lunch, telling him that "it is important... always to try new things."
What is best method for heating ham?
 
With heat!
 
Haskell is really fun and everyone should learn it.
2
 
someone posted a link to nice haskell tutorial not long ago?
but what can haskell do?
 
Everything!
 
9:37 PM
i need to get cooking. afk
 
ah
this guy can play:
 
I'm using Learn You a Haskell for Great Good.
 
Sep 23 at 18:57, by FredOverflow
@LewsTherin Have you tried reading Learn You a Haskell for Great Good! and Real World Haskell?
Can't vouch for any of those, but I trust Fred.
 
9:40 PM
i wanna play guitar too
@AlfPSteinbach perhaps you can be my teacher xD
 
ok. first you need a guitar and an amp.
 
Oh, of course it works the same, you dolt, you've rounded the damn coordinates before interpolating.
Arrgh.
 
and strings. buy thin strings (rock n' roll strings). easier to "bend", and don't hurt so much for fingers at first
 
9:42 PM
ah i see
 
you also need a tuning device. it's electronic. some amps have tuning thing built-in
 
Who cares about tune.
 
you don't get perfect tuning from the electronic device, but a good first approximation
looks indian
 
9:43 PM
i don't want to play electric
wanna go with classic guitar
 
Acoustic FTW!
 
then you first need a classic guitar
and strings
 
Now the image is yellow.
Nice.
 
they should be made of nylon. if you buy metal strings you ruin the guitar
 
oh
and i need finger cups
 
9:45 PM
Yellow () is the color evoked by light that stimulates both the L and M (long and medium wavelength) cone cells of the retina about equally, with no significant stimulation of the S (short-wavelength) cone cells. Light with a wavelength of 570–590 nm is yellow, as is light with a suitable mixture of red and green. Yellow's traditional RYB complementary color is purple, violet, or indigo, while its colorimetrically defined complementary color in both RGB and CMYK color spaces is blue. Etymology and definitions The word "yellow" comes from the Old English geolu, or geolwe which derived f...
 
or good nails
 
so that my beauty won't hurt
lol jk
 
for playing classical guitar it doesn't do to trim fingernails by biting method. need fingernail equipment
like nail file
 
Biting method, lol.
 
9:46 PM
and playing with raw fingers. i guess it hurts first but one gets used to it
 
and again you need tuning device, which can be electronic or flute
the problem is that without it, going by ear, you are likely to tune too high and snap strings
 
Be a man. Use a fork.
 
hmm
but i want real sound
 
A tuning fork is an acoustic resonator in the form of a two-pronged fork with the prongs (tines) formed from a U-shaped bar of elastic metal (usually steel). It resonates at a specific constant pitch when set vibrating by striking it against a surface or with an object, and emits a pure musical tone after waiting a moment to allow some high overtones to die out. The pitch that a particular tuning fork generates depends on the length of the two prongs. Its main use is as a standard of pitch to tune other musical instruments. Description The tuning fork was invented in 1711 by Britis...
 
not electric synthesizer or such
 
9:47 PM
@AlfPSteinbach: wut? I have been tuning violins, guitars and even my own grand piano all my life.
 
or you can use a piano, if you have.
 
"functions can't begin with uppercase letters"
 
real sound still does best to stimulate ear
 
if I had any interest in learning Haskell, it is most assuredly gone now
 
How would you end up breaking strings - you'd have to over-pitch massively
 
9:48 PM
@DeadMG Why?
 
any language in which the capitalization of identifiers is relevant is idiotic
 
Because it reserves starting uppercase identifiers for constructors?
Right.
 
@AlfPSteinbach Indeed, grab a decent reference pitch. - back in the day, a phone mainline would be 440Hz, don't know if that's still the case
 
@AlfPSteinbach how long does it take so one can play "You dunno" by Milow
 
or you can program your computer to produce clean tones of appropriate frequenceies
 
9:48 PM
yes, I think that it is a rather stupid thing to do
 
440 Hz, that's baseline A
 
if one is completely n00b
 
I think it's a rather stupid thing to dismiss a language based on that, too.
 
especially if I decided I wanted to write in Arabic or something, where the difference between upper and lower case is not exactly clear cut
 
oh i forgot the cooking sorry
 
9:51 PM
@DeadMG There's a "Letter, Uppercase" category.
 
@DeadMG How is it not clear-cut: There are no cases in arabic.
 
Writing non-English identifiers is silly, anyway.
 
I'm pretty sure that there are some characters which are both upper and lower case
or maybe it was neither...
anyway, my identifiers, my rules- including casing
 
Titlecase also counts as "large" in Haskell.
 
@CatPlusPlus Mixing RTL and LTR languages for identifiers sounds like a nightmare.
@DeadMG Will you allow a preprocessor?
 
9:53 PM
@KerrekSB Yeah. Let's also allow vertical identifiers.
 
what do you mean?
 
That will be fun.
The code is now 2D!
 
Wee, finally stupid interpolation is working.
 
@KerrekSB so, "difference between upper and lower case is not exactly clear cut" - spot on then!
 
9:54 PM
Of course, the attributes were in reversed endianness.
 
Befunge is a stack-based, reflective, esoteric programming language. It differs from conventional languages in that programs are arranged on a two-dimensional grid. "Arrow" instructions direct the control flow to the left, right, up or down, and loops are constructed by sending the control flow in a cycle. History The language was originally created by Chris Pressey in 1993 as an attempt to devise a language which is as hard to compile as possible — note that the p command allows for self-modifying code. Nevertheless, a number of compilers have subsequently been written. A number...
 
That one is Java's fault, though.
 
@KerrekSB What do you mean?
 
Oh, it seems like you can't use arabic characters in Haskell source code at all.
 
@JohannesSchaublitb sounds like 4 or 5 chords. takes a few days i'd say. starting from scratch
 
10:01 PM
I leave the chat and people are talking about Java, I come back and people are still talking about Java.
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I don't see a single reference to Java on the current page of chat
except yours, of course
 
I was refering to Cat's.
 
7 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
That one is Java's fault, though.
 
That one.
 
I guess you have a small browser window :)
 
10:02 PM
@CatPlusPlus So, how was it? Lost your sanity in the process?
 
My what?
 
I figured you might say that.
 
I didn't even notice :P
 
We're all insane here, though. If we weren't, we would be doing Forth or something.
(I'm kidding)
 
10:04 PM
Factor!
 
heh heh
just me or Wikipedia no longer functioning?
 
I actually went to Wikipedia to look up Forth, so, it's probably you.
 
the main page loads but it won't do any searches
 
Wikipedia has a main page?
 
Oh, wait, it stopped working.
 
Xeo
> Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes.
 
wikipedia.org
 
> MediaWiki blew up again. Why are you surprised?
 
@DeadMG If you allow the standard preprocessor, someone could #define an arabic word for for. Then, thanks to RTL/LTR-ness, you could write a for-loop that would be seriously hard to read.
 
10:07 PM
Strange, en.wikipedia.org is working.
@CatPlusPlus Blame PHP.
 
I have a feeling MediaWiki would be terrible in any language.
 
Some things just can't be fixed.
 
Maybe that means that writing it in PHP was the most natural thing.
 
why the hell would I ever want the C preprocessor anywhere near my beautiful language?
 
@sehe Hmm... what's the difference between two things that don't exist?
 
10:08 PM
Neither of them is a vegetable.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's actually the reason why Linus Torvalds dismissed SVN (and instead went on to write Git): SVN's goal is to fix CVS, and according to Torvalds, there's no way you can fix CVS.
 
Oh, Pizza is a vegetable. Now I get the reference.
 
That was faast.
 
farstcakes
 
I just saw the video posted on twitter.
 
10:09 PM
@AlfPSteinbach ah nice
 
@DeadMG Will you allow U+202E (RTL override) on WideC identifiers?
 
is it a letter?
 
I don't think so.
 
then no
 
What about anywhere else?
It sounds like an awesome feature for code obfuscation.
 
10:11 PM
where else would it possibly occur?
there's nowhere else to insert it in the program syntax
 
@JohannesSchaublitb well it sounds like a good song to start with. it sounds like it goes mainly round three basic major chords. the system makes chords appear in groups of three. it's like in quantum mechanics. funny how nobody's making that connection
 
lol
i also like to sing but I don't like others to listen xD
sometimes I'm going into the wood and sing
 
That's because you're an egotistic bastard. If you were a decent person you would share your precious voice with others.
 
At night, so they're not distracted by anything.
 
sbi
10:14 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes IRTA "Be a man, take it in the fork." Ugh.
 
That's gotta hurt.
 
What.
 
I don't want to know what process inside your mind produced that.
 
Actually, I do wanna know.
 
sbi
10:16 PM
@EtiennedeMartel The process is called — @RMartinho, avert your eyes — tiredness, in conjunction with weak eyes.
 
Right.
 
Oh. It's much... milder... than I thought.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel It's been a while since mildness was attributed to me.
 
Well, there you go.
 
sbi
Hey, for all you slackers out there! Take this:
 
10:19 PM
Damn.
 
That's a bad plan.
 
It's brillant.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Typo intended?
 
They didn't think the consequences through.
 
sbi
10:19 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Feel caught?
 
Yes, I know about Paula. I was making sure.
 
@sbi I'm compiling, so it's alright if I slack off.
 
You compile code yourself?
 
sbi
I knew the day would come: superuser question "what's the A: and B: drive for?" http://bit.ly/hO51tL
 
I force convince politely request a compiler to do it for me.
 
10:21 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Yes. It's a very long process.
@RMartinhoFernandes Death to -f parameters.
(Sometimes I think I'm so clever)
 
I am
 
sbi
> There are many reasons for being friends with someone. The fact that he’s pointing a deadly weapon at you is among the top four. — Terry Pratchett
 
The Last Continent, aka Mad Max on the Discworld.
 
Like a fork?
 
@sbi That's essentially the Stockholm syndrome, right?
 
10:26 PM
@sbi the first correct answer was far down the list of upvoting, at superuser.com/q/231900/104818
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach To be frank, I hadn't even looked at the question. :(
 
I have a working 5.25 FDD somewhere.
 
@AlfPSteinbach None of the answers mention driver.sys!
 
Currying is really cool.
 
I have a 2.88MB 3.25" drive in my old machine.
 
10:28 PM
Nov 21 at 20:48, by FredOverflow
@sbi Haskell's implicit currying makes me very horny.
 
Never managed to find any suitable disks.
 
@KerrekSB but you know that 1.44 wasn't really 1.44?
 
It was made of two different Ks!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Show me one useful program written in Haskell.
@AlfPSteinbach How so?
 
It was 2MB formatted to 1.44.
 
10:29 PM
1.44 * 1000 * 1024.
@KerrekSB Why?
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, the HD format produced 1.44 usable MBs. 80 tracks, 2 sides, 512B/sector...
9 sectors per track? or 18?
@RMartinhoFernandes Why not?
1440 kB
 
@KerrekSB it was 2*720 KB, so 1440 KB, which they labeled as 1.44 MB. but here the MB is neither metric or binary. it's just some odd fish
 
1.41MiB
 
@KerrekSB If you really want one: darcs.net
 
I see. Oddly enough, I never really lost any sleep over that.
 
10:31 PM
GHC.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Interesting.
 
It seems like the purpose of most functional languages is to show how lambda expressions are a neat feature to add to non functional languages.
 
sbi
@AlfPSteinbach "Poor people only had B:\ as a virtual. People with money had two floppy drives and the letters to use them." — random♦
 
@CatPlusPlus Good one.
 
According to Wikipedia, "Darcs has been criticized on the grounds of performance."
 
10:32 PM
I don't know. Since I started learning Haskell, everything that isn't purely functional just feels so icky.
 
It's not really because of the used language.
 
I haven't gotten into IO yet, though.
 
sbi
@KerrekSB Did you have to do this? I hadn't thought of this for almost half a decade, and now you reentered that into my memory!
 
@Maxpm Hard to do IO without side effects.
 
darcs is terrible, because it's darcs.
 
10:33 PM
@Maxpm Oh god, not paradigm fanboyism again.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yep.
 
I use my own paradigm. It involves doing nothing.
 
Isn't paradigm fanboyism, like, our thing?
 
@sbi All is well :-) Nothing quite like the floppy search sound to tell you your computer is waking up.
 
@Maxpm No. What paradigm are we fanboys of?
 
10:34 PM
It's like all those French dudes who consider OCaml to be the best thing since sliced bread. Probably has something to do with the fact that OCaml is French.
 
@CatPlusPlus My way of doing nothing is more efficient than yours.
 
OCaml is mediocre.
 
@Maxpm You're missing the point of doing nothing.
 
I bet you haven't profiled it properly.
You're just basing your opinion on synthetic benchmarks!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You can't just cram everything (that is, nothing) into the nothing paradigm. You need to be more liberal in the way you don't do things so it's still practical.
 
10:35 PM
I don't know, they show me some code and say - no, scream - "look at how expressive I am!". And then I stop listening to them because I'm too busy solving real problems to participate in their circle jerking exercises.
 
Expressiveness is a good thing.
Though imperative languages can be quite expressive, too. See: Python.
 
Python is next on my list, I think.
It was Mirah, but there's no documentation. :(
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I'd much rather stick to pragmatism than to paradigm.
 
I think I've seen an OS in Haskell once.
 
@CatPlusPlus There's an OS written in C#, IIRC.
 
10:37 PM
@CatPlusPlus That sounds interesting.
 
@EtiennedeMartel More than one.
 
Proof that you can write OSes in anything.
 
Singularity, and Cosmos.
 
Write an OS in MUMPS!
 
Yeah, I was talking about Singularity
 
10:37 PM
Singularity is in C# derived language, though.
 
sbi
A smart man covers his ass, a wise man leaves his pants on.
 
Still, C# is a good language. Unlike Haskell. Ha.
 
The Standard doesn't actually say C++ has to be compiled, does it?
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus Was that the wizard of OS? SCNR.
 
10:38 PM
No language spec says the language has to be compiled.
It's not a property of a language.
 
@CatPlusPlus That's what I thought.
 
You could write a C++ interpreter if you wanted.
 
There's at least one already.
 
I think there is a C++ interpreter, actually.
 
There's a C interpreter around.
Ch.
Dunno about C++.
 
sbi
10:39 PM
Me, too: There is a C++ interpreter out there! Just saying.
 
Ch supports C++.
 
> It is useful e.g. for situations where rapid development is more important than execution time.
 
Well, a bit of C++.
 
10:40 PM
> Ch is compliant with the ISO C Standard C90, supports most features in C99 and classes in C++ .
 
C and C++, rapid development.
 
gg op no re
 
Heh.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes It's like shooting your foot with a full auto!
4
 
10:42 PM
@DeadMG That's so BM
@CatPlusPlus Oh, so it's C90 with Classes, then?
 
WTF is rapid development anyway?
Writing buggy untested software?
 
Rapidly.
 
It's a cool name for "prototyping".
Or at least I hope it is
Last time I saw "RAD", it was for VB6.
 
"Prototyping", not in the sense of JavaScript prototypes, right?
@EtiennedeMartel Fits my "buggy untested software" theory.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes No, in the sense of "throwaway code written as a proof of concept that's going to end up in production anyway because nobody has the time to rewrite it properly"
 
Xeo
10:48 PM
@EtiennedeMartel "temporary code redirects here" :>
 
Wikipedia says it's writing software without planning.
Sounds cool.
 
Yeah, it's like XP.
 
It looks like its being maintained...
 
Xeo
Rapid living - living without planning
 
@KerrekSB I believe it's where they fix defects.
Stefanus is on the committee, so I assume it's ok with ISO.
 
Xeo
10:51 PM
> draft / source / std.tex
> %% main file for the C++ standard.
seems like the uncompiled pdf
 
@RMartinhoFernandes So is it current?
@Xeo It's the LaTeX source, that much I understood
 
And free?
How... What...?
 
Gotta love when you get a 0xcccccccc.
 
So this is a genuine reliable source of the standard, not some long-ago working draft?
 
Xeo
10:53 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Gotta love debuggers for those values! :)
 
What's the point of charging CHF350 then
 
Ask ISO.
@KerrekSB Officialness, I think.
They're not planning to sell that to you and me.
I doubt you can use the repo for commercial purposes, for example.
For that you probably need the real thing.
 
Damn, an overlord takes a while to die to a corsair.
 
I read that as overload and was very confused.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes What's a commercial purpose for the standard?
 
10:58 PM
a corsair? you're playing Brood War?
 
@EtiennedeMartel If you pay the Corsairs 30000 gold, they'll leave you alone for a while.
 
@KerrekSB Implementing Standard compilers and selling them?
 
@KerrekSB Dunno. Selling a compiler?
 
@DeadMG I'm working on an agent for the StarCraft AI competition.
 
ah
 
10:59 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes You are only allowed to sell a compiler if you provably own a copy of the standard?
 
what race are you choosing for it to play
 
Protoss.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Just hire a Korean!
Beats any AI
 
lol
costs a lot more, though
 
I don't think that's legal.
 
10:59 PM
but in Starcraft 2, there is no Korean dominance
 
@KerrekSB No idea. I was just guessing.
 
or rather, there are a lot more skilled Koreans, but they're not better than the most skilled foreigners
 

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