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00:01
@Mikhail Yeah, I don't mean to portray Carter as a wronged hero, or anything like that--just that he wasn't quite as bad a guy as his lack of popularity at the end of his term might seem to indicate. I think he was largely a reaction to Nixon--people wanted somebody they were sure was honest and nice. We got that, but we also got somebody who was (at least seen as) indecisive and weak.
I'm hoping I can build enough clout under the name "ThePhD", and then just muscle my way into the bigger conference.
@ThePhD oh you
@jaggedSpire I mean, I don't have any other good plans!
... I didn't know a regular smiley face could be so unsettling.
00:22
So I have this iPhone 7 in front of me that my parents shipped me when they did a family phone replacement.
I totally how forgot how over-the-top the Apple packaging is.
@Mysticial Gotta have somthing for all that money
yep
I'm gonna need to send back my iPhone 5 to collect the $300 whatever trade-in deal.
Oohh... I see the external headphone adapter.
00:35
@ThePhD it's because it looks like the mouth is trying to eat the eyes
@Mysticial Kek.
00:54
@Mysticial >no headphone jack
send it back
So the phone has sticky cover thing extends across the screen to the back. But I want to leave the front on as a screen protector.
Does that mean I have to cut it?
fuck
01:18
hue
@Rapptz file a bug report
@Mysticial why not get a screen protector designed to do the job? They're like $1.50 for a three-pack
though I don't know why you'd use three
@jaggedSpire It means I need to wait for it to arrive.
@jaggedSpire You'll need two for practice in putting the thing on without any bubbls :P
@Borgleader I'm actually just gonna bring it into the store and have them do it.
fair 'nuff, though a two-day period doesn't seem like too terribly large a window for the worst to happen
good call
01:20
I also need to drop off my old phone or I won't get the exchange discount.
I should've done that
They have like a machine that will clean the screen first.
IOW, it's serious business.
Everyone who knows me personally laughs at me at how phone illiterate I am and how I don't give a shit about phones as long as they work. (my old one has a dangerously bulging battery)
That's when I started to give a shit.
@Mysticial kinky
@Borgleader /cc @ThePhD
01:23
And I held out just long enough for the iPhone 7 to come out.
@Mysticial I feel you; I had a flip phone for the longest and I loved it, but then it just started to get too old and slow and people refused to NOT send me those stupid MMS text messages.
So I was literally just not getting people's messages and I could only be ornery about it for a few years before I ended up just getting somebody's hand-me-down phone.
Now, I'm only keeping people's hand-me-downs.
lol my flip-phone's screen literally just turned white
@ThePhD I actually have an active flip phone with me atm. My parents gave me my (dead) grandfather's phone just in case my iPhone 5 blew up from the battery.
@jaggedSpire Went on strike?
that is all it would do, is be white
so I got my present phone
a 2013 model, in 2015 :)
01:26
Hopefully being 2 years old made it dirt cheap.
I have a pretty recent phone but that was because someone I knew got a new one, so I just changed out my old, dead, shitty-battery one.
My god the early versions of Smart Phones had TERRIBLE battery life.
@ThePhD pretty much. I had a theory about the battery life being longer because long-term battery storage is harder than long-term other electronics storage, and it'd get expensive to keep your factory manufacturing old batteries, so theoretically I might get an old phone's power consumption with a new phone's power supply
@jaggedSpire How's that working out for you?
I don't have any phones to compare it to
@jaggedSpire A fair point. Does it beat your flip phone?
but I usually only need to recharge once every four days or so
it's about on par with what my flip phone did
01:29
My flip phone could be on for a week and I wouldn't need to touch it.
before it got into its deathbed
Then again, I literally received almost no phone calls and no messages, so.
How are c function pointers stored in memory? My understanding is that when you declare a function type you are also describing how it should be called (eg push two ints onto the stack, pop out a return int after RET) but what does the actual pointer point to? Is it just shell code?
and that's why I'm unsure if it's actually a good battery life. It goes four days without a recharge when I use it as I normally use it: for an alarm and nothing else
@qwertymk Why do you care?
If you really want to know, read your compiler's documentation: that's implementation-specific information.
01:30
When I use it like most people use phones these days, I get a much shorter one
@ThePhD, just curious about how it's usually done
during the Chicago Incident it lasted about 7 hours or so because of all the internet stuff I did via mobile
I just finished the "c programming guide" and it's the only thing that I didn't really get
@qwertymk On Windows and POSIX, function pointers are required to be the same sizes that fit in the same space as a data pointer, and at that address is basically the function's routine in machine code.
But that's only for those two (relatively humongous, e.g. 97% of the entire computer industry) vendors.
@qwertymk For most of the time, though, it's not like you're going to need this information unless you're writing a compiler. From a C++ or C standpoint, you're just going to pass it arguments and call it, provided it's pointing at a valid function.
interesting, so I can look at the machine code for pretty much any function then from c
01:35
@jaggedSpire I actually thought about just getting the battery in my 5 replaced. But then my parents are like, "let's just get new phones. These 5's are pieces of shit anyways".
Uh. Maybe.
But you can look at the machine code for any program. Whether or not you understand it is questionable.
My first smart phone was the iPhone 4. After quite a few years, the home button stopped working reliably. So I traded up to a 5. And now the 5's battery is fucked up so I get the 7. IOW, yeah, I just don't give a shit as long as it fucking works.
I have had 2 smartphones: Nexus 1, and Nexus 5X (it was a bit of an upgrade :P)
@ThePhD This seems relevant, it's on the "hot questions" sidebar now stackoverflow.com/questions/39867396/call-native-code-from-c-c
@qwertymk Yes, you can execute data as if it were a program with a little understanding of how the system works and some screwing around.
This is the basis for a lot of exploit code, and why his code didn't necessarily work the first time around, because people have a vested interest int his not happening, so regions of memory get marked readable/writable/executable to prevent that.
02:05
@sehe I like this idea of using a state machine for parsing that does more than just pass through (like wanting to perform a transformation only on specially delimited substrings, but letting everything else pass through)
@ThePhD Win32, not all Windows. In its (now ancient) history Windows had memory models where pointers to code and pointers to data were different sizes (medium model: 20-bit code, 16-bit data, compact model: 16-bit code, 20-bit data).
Just be glad you can forget those when I'm not around (and laugh at their idiocy when I am).
@JerryCoffin Goodness. Sounds like a goddamn nightmare.
02:21
@ThePhD We all just wished it were a nightmare. That would be over the next morning. This went on for years!
It was bearable primarily because most of us got there from MS-DOS, which had the same. And before MS-DOS, we did CP/M, which had 16 bits total for everything. Compared to that, putting up with differences in pointer size was pretty trivial (especially early on, when most people only had, say, 128K anyway).
If I could just
spend a moment to say that holy shit, Vulkan is worse than OpenGL.
I know it might give performance, I know it has benefits, but that API is the most god-awful thing I've ever seen in my life.
Does anyone have Tanner Sainsbury mail?
03:13
oh dear nvim hung for a few seconds just now, first time it ever did that and I have no idea why
 
1 hour later…
04:28
(For the record tho I can confirm I'm not headed to Amazon)
@PatrickM'Bongo completely dropped the ball on Lena leaving anet sorry
fuck does CUDA 8 support Visual Studio 2015?
Last time they pulled some shit where the only supported some old update
04:50
I see
Morning!
I conquered the night only to be defeated by day
Now I remember why I never got into 'e-sport' video games. The communities are some of the most stressful ones to be a part of x.x
@Aaron3468 Stressful?
Like more stressful than the Lounge?
Lots of players talking down to everybody. Many new players who can't really help the team. Pretty much anyone who has played for more than a week thinks they can play like a pro. You're lucky if you go a game or two without anyone trash-talking their team.
Lounge is a cakewalk in comparison ^^
05:03
Also everybody is 12
^ This.
Yeah... minecraft was kind of enjoyable as a passtime until I played servers. The feeling that I was in the oldest 1 or 5% of users was really uncomfortable.
@Aaron3468 You just need a thicker skin.
tell everybody to get off your lawn
@wilx haha, maybe. I keep my cool pretty well thankfully
05:04
its minelawn
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@LucDanton I need one of those 'keep off the grass' signs that all the edgy kids can pose by :chuckle:
std::chrono::microseconds by value or by const reference?
either is fine
nooooo, I live in a black and white world
@Mikhail By value then.
05:09
@Mikhail of course
that has shades of gray
alternatively, flip a coin
Here is my favorite optical illusion
Oh wow, chrome doesn't support bmp display anymore
Apparently I made hot chocolate, but it's just chocolate now
05:24
Odd, I also made hot chocolate, but its just hot now. I think you are doing something wrong.
Maybe I can send you the chocolate and you can put them together
chocolate@hotmail.com
lol, that looks a bit shady. a/s/l?
jk
Oh, mikhail, I just finished watching a video of a decommissioned nuclear plant. There was a lab and massive control room :)
probably written in C#
06:00
Bleh. Last.fm has changed it sucks. :(
I cannot find any of the overviews of my listenings.
@JerryCoffin Hi there!
@wilx Spotify has that feature from day 1
@sehe I do not use it to play music. Just to keep tabs of what I listen to.
If you don't know, that's a problem IMO. Also, how does lastfm know (unless you listen through it?)
@sehe There are plugins for various things, ranging from your Android based phone to Clementine, that send what you have listened to to the site.
bbl, I am off to work.
@sehe remember when we talked about that particular use of the word afford? do you know if the concept is, well, affordance
06:07
Sure I remember :)
I kinda want to use it in the context of API design (what else?) but it seems very jargon-ish :(
Additional meanings have developed, largely a result of misinterpretations.
@LucDanton All beautiful words lie outside of the trivial
Well. Almost all.
a very good point
There are of course different kinds of beauty in words. But I tend to love the "semantic" beauty over the "physical" attractiveness
In words.
Just thought I'd add that.
well, I don’t think it’s that ugly. but if I use a word and what I mean goes over the reader’s head then I’m concerned
Sam
Sam
06:40
Good afternoon guys!!
Omg, pedanstrian walks here were so crap, road works every where. I was so scared when walking just now ...
Woah. It's been a long time. @user3220907 is another prime user.
In China, getting scared
Cleese: "Ministry Of Pedanstrian Walks"
Sharing road with cars, buses, motor bikes & other walkers on narrow roads was not fun
Horse riding while suffering altitude sickness last week was okay though
Also, no/shared slow internet is preventing addict from accessing web chats
Also can't pay bill ... My .au will be suspended for a day before I come back
Free wifi while waiting $$$ 💞💓💕💜💛
06:52
@Aaron3468 It's pretty good lighting, if they accidentally let a ~several kilowatt floodlight on for some 25 years and nobody notices, and it still works. IOW. Something doesn't add up
07:03
The whole building is bloddy flooded with lots of lights. Isn't that weird.
in soviet russia, power plant explore you.
The part where you seen the diagrams depicting the solar system in that control room were used to calculate the proper ballistic and trajectory of the quarks that rotate simultaneously in reverse direction to the protons and neutrons in the reactor core.
The kilowatt output of the final transformer is determined by lunar alignment, They are affected by the subsequent magnetic field that's caused from interacting with the moon and sun. Kind of the same thing that causes the oceans tide to come in and go out.
(see full text)
07:19
@sehe nerd
@PatrickM'Bongo @user963241 too, fyi
@Aaron3468 Which is why I don't play games online
It doesn't matter how much fun you had in the last 4 games, one toxic player later and your day is ruined
The only game I play online doesn't have that issue. Although it requires me to start windows, so I never play it (thesnookerclub.com)
@PatrickM'Bongo leaving in 3 days time, u no on holiday on 9th?
Or weekend, it's Sunday after O
07:39
@Rapptz what do you make of the fact that Sphinx won’t let you e.g. `true` because it’s a keyword, whereas in the Python domain `True` is fine and can even intersphinx to the official docs?
whatcha mean
afaict you can’t document e.g. "the predicate should have a return type of `bool`", it complains cos it’s a keyword
why do you use single ticks?
default domain and default role, same as :cpp:any:`bool`
@Rapptz if it were a type other than bool, wouldn’t you use those?
I always use ``foo``
and explicit referencing when I refer to something else
07:42
@sehe this is not gonna help you get laid
e.g. :func:`foo`
k, and it doesn’t matter to you that it looks different right?
nop
08:23
exam today
it's a rainstorm outside.
FML
Ven
Ven
:/
and it's super windy
up to 80kph or so
But much of the litigation we face comes from the extension of the European Convention on Human Rights to the battlefield. This is damaging our troops, undermining military operations, and costing taxpayers' millions.

So I can announce today that in future conflicts we intend to derogate from the Convention. That would protect our Armed Forces from many of the industrial scale claims we have seen post Iraq and Afghanistan.
UK's defense minister thinks the ECHR shouldn't hinder their military actions.
wow
UK's going full retard
We uphold human rights, as long as those humans are on the right side of the barrel.
08:38
never go full retard
@R.MartinhoFernandes "What's the point of having military force if they're not above the law (anymore)" - hidden thought exposed
@R.MartinhoFernandes welp, they indeed seem to be going full on
Forget what I said a few days back. This isn't funny anymore.
Yeah. The Polish situation really doesn't look that bad in comparison.
Wasn't brexit about making britain great again?
Maybe they really meant colonial, invade-shit-out-of-niggers britain?
08:43
Sure, they want to organize official armed militia from right-wing nuts, but uh... wow.
09:00
@Rapptz frankly, because it kinda works in the Python domain and I like the result
@LucDanton I should use it more.
It benefits my laziness.
yeah!
conversely the look of inline code is a bit blockish and ugly, but like I’ve said before that’s probably for the better
@R.MartinhoFernandes 👍
Can't risk progress
@BartekBanachewicz good pun
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why is that a problem? In war, people on the receiving end of the barrel die.
09:18
@wilx I feel like this is the 2nd time "use of chemical warfare" is gonna be linked here this week
wars a political tools and what loses on them are regular people. War laws are meant for powers to flex their muscles while reducing the negative impact on individuals
don't get me wrong, wars are still terrible, it's just that those laws try to say "maybe try to make it a bit less terrible while you're fighting"
also ofc there's the bigger impact of toxic or radioactive crap travelling to other areas via wind which noone outside the war zone wants
The citations from the article can be tracked down to ECRI_report_FR - GBR-CbC-V-2016-038-ENG.pdf, page 22.
As the majority of the Great British public voted to leave the EU anything coming out of the EU can now be ignored and these EU Dictators can go and stuff themselves.
those people seem oblivious to the fact that the UK still hasn't even formally requested to leave
@ProblemSlover now that will catch a lot of dust
@BartekBanachewicz also lol "majority of the GB public"
the same fallacy as "the majority of Poles voted for PiS"
@BartekBanachewicz well also spiders as mentioned in comments lol
Shit got real in Poland yeah
@wilx That's an extremely simplistic view of war.
09:43
and apparently the public support for the govt is rising. :x
@Griwes Even after that silly abortion ban proposal?
@Rerito that wasn't technically their proposal
and they actually voted to overturn it
again, it's all politics
@orlp I KNOW RIGHT!?
@BartekBanachewicz I don't know, it wasn't that detailed where I read about it
@wilx I don't see anything wrong with page 22.
09:46
@Rerito I'm increasingly confident that it was a PR stunt.
I don't see anything wrong with an independent press regulator, and I don't see anything wrong with journalistic ethics standards.
Have an unaffiliated org propose something radical, reject it, look like the good guys.
(Or maybe pass it if there's not enough opposition.)
@Griwes You mean a way for the guise behind it to tell "hey we're here and we'll wreck havoc"?
  @BartekBanachewicz how is your life with 32 ram?
Oh that PR stunt, yeah right
09:47
@BartekBanachewicz I'm thinking why not to go to for 128 GB lol
@R.MartinhoFernandes I did not say there was anything wrong with it, just that the citations in the web page can be tracked to it.
I'm 99% sure that support for the govt will raise now after they're ready to reject that shit.
Also the Sunday trade ban is apparently widely accepted.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Agreed
WTF is going on in this country I have no idea.
09:48
@wilx Well, the article's title and the contents cited do not really match.
I just want to get the fuck away from here.
In France you rarely find shops opened the sunday (except huge events like sales)
Is it banned?
By law?
With 2 years in prison for breaking that law?
No but it's regulated somehow
Because that's apparently what's planned.
09:49
Which is not surprising because the Daily Express is openly a UKIP foghorn.
Ven
Ven
@Rerito meh
@ProblemSlover 128GB what
Ven
Ven
Usually stores are open sunday morning.
@BartekBanachewicz RM
RAM
@Griwes precisely
09:49
Even USA under Trump won't be this retarded (because thankfully the Congress can never reach any sort of consensus on the more retarded ideas of either side).
@ProblemSlover if you really need it vOv
@Ven Sorry bro, I sleep on the sunday morning :D (or slack off or w/e)
Ven
Ven
@Rerito I wish I could wake up later than 8am on weekends :|.
@BartekBanachewicz ram is getting cheaper like the potato lol
so why not to buy cheap potato
128GB would still probably require a server board
The 64GB barrier in system memory is now broken by DDR4 RAM in Intel’s Haswell-E.
well, or ridiculously expensive "enthusiast" board
09:52
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol foghorn
@ProblemSlover I fit perfectly fine (code doesn't ping people)
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@R.MartinhoFernandes: What I find unsettling is EU wanting the government to regulate freedom of press: ECRI strongly recommends that the authorities find a way to establish an independent press regulator according to the recommendations set out in the Leveson Report.
@wilx I don't understand.
The UK already has a press regulator in place.
What's the opposition?
Ell
Ell
I think the logic is that the EU regulator would be regulating much more press
10:03
@Ell That's not what is written there.
Ell
Ell
And the UK regulator would perhaps have to bow down to the EU regulator
No, no, no.
There's no "EU regulator".
Ell
Ell
Okay. I only just got here vOv
There is the PCC which has been found to not quite work (by British officials, not EU), and a British-led report found that a new regulator should be set up, one that is independent (the PCC isn't independent because it's self-regulation; it's funded and run by the press).
Xeo
Xeo
@orlp I'm so damn tempted to get another two kittens.
10:05
The ECRI recommends that the UK follow the suggestion of the report from UK officials.
@Xeo Are you becoming a crazy cat lady?
Ven
Ven
@Xeo And then forget to feed them because you were writing Java? BAH!
/cc @Mysticial :P
Xeo
Xeo
@Griwes Am I not already?
Oh, okay, so now you're just becoming an old crazy cat lady. :D
@Ell The ECRI report essentially says "we agree with what the Leveson report [which was an entirely British affair] concluded".
10:07
before getting backlit screens
Ell
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I misunderstood :)
I only saw @wilx' message
10:21
@Griwes I find it a highly accurate metaphor
@ProblemSlover money
@R.MartinhoFernandes wat
@Griwes Everything "Daily" in the UK is terrible press.
are they for real
also wtf that poll in that article
10:29
@Griwes There's plenty of similar bullshit in there.
@Griwes 2 against 1 that there is a conspiracy!
@R.MartinhoFernandes I read both options as "there is a conspiracy", just one as saying that it is secret and the other that it isn't.
@Griwes Oh, lol, I didn't quite read the options.
MAJORITY RULES
10:48
lol the side articles
The INCREDIBLE picture that 'proves' Adolf Hitler lived to 95 with his Brazilian lover
is this South Park?
on 6 November 2006, the day other papers reported the death sentence given to Saddam Hussein on their front pages, the Express led with “SPIES COVER UP DIANA 'MURDER'”.
lolwut
I must say, I heavily underestimated how nutty UKIP is.
@ThePhD Where is that?
@Griwes To be fair, they are a backer of the UKIP, not the other way around.
masonic-style hand signal
Oh. /that/
Also: MFW it starts off with a Disneyland advert with all kids touching their heads in the same fashion. #confused
10:55
acting as a financial backer and closely follows the party line.
I kinda doubt they'd run anything that goes against the general PoV of the party.
Assuming there's a well defined PoV. There's only interests in populist parties. TYL
That smugfaced dickwad is back in charge of UKIP
@Griwes Yes, but you can't attribute all the conspiracy nuttiness to UKIP. It's extraneous.
@TonyTheLion Was that really a surprise?
sadly not
How many times did he quit-but-not-quite now? Four?
10:57
something like that yea
Alright. s/how nutty UKIP is/how nutty all the surroundings of UKIP are/
Well, like they said of Google and Microsoft in the face of privacy allegations: All they need to say is "We don't agree with XXX". And they didn't¹.
(¹in the Yahoo-privacy-scandal, I believe Microsoft has now stated it never engaged in similar scams)
@R.MartinhoFernandes He's the benevolent-dictator-malgé-lui, but without the benevolence
Newsflash: people are nutty. Things like UKIP Nutty things sprout in the surroundings of people. Forever
@sehe I know that. I just didn't realize how nutty this particular nutty thing is.
11:02
@BartekBanachewicz sever board... hm better then wait for 2020
I believe by that time RAM thing will be replaced by "cildren" off SSDs
sbi
sbi
@PatrickM'Bongo To write bad code, of course.
11:25
New formulas for π involving infinite nested square roots and Gray code
Where is Mysticial now?
infinite nested square roots
...
I am bored.
Invent a better <iostream>.
@wilx do some hacking.
@Griwes Touché.
@ProblemSlover Last two days I was working on a new LaTeX package but that work is done and I cannot think of more things to do to entertain myself while I am between tasks at work.
11:40
good $time
Ven
Ven
hi
would you say I'm a bad programmer if I need to walk around or talk the problem out loud often?
especially, when working at home on a project, I like to hide in the bathroom for it's isolated and listen to the fan or the running water
@wilx cool. /; i wish I could work on some cool projects but unable to come up with an idea which makes you really excited to get it done
@iksemyonov A bad programmer is usually identified by its genuine ability to write horrible code
@iksemyonov More like schizophreniac? :)
11:46
@Rerito horrible programmer is too broad definition ...
@wilx care to expand? :)
@iksemyonov No.
@Rerito well noone knows how good my code is, at University nobody checks your code quality
Ven
Ven
then your teachers are shite
@Ven well, they're not, but the focus is not on the code
in your University, do they review the code you hand in if it's not a programming class?
11:50
@iksemyonov google translator is still bad at understanding russian phrases..
@ProblemSlover excuse me?
probably wrong ping
Ven
Ven
Sorry, I'll rephrase. Your teachers are shit. That's not a question.
@Ven sorry, they're not, this is a science university, not a code one
Ven
Ven
So you won't learn to code
yes, I wish we had more focus on the code
there's work for that, and programming language classes
but when there are so many students, whom would you expect to review all that code?
Ven
Ven
11:55
teachers
could you name an example University where they do that?
see, i asked a question once
Ven
Ven
the one I taught at
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Q: In my situation, how could I learn to program without a mentor?

iksemyonovSo my problem may be relatively rare, at least the majority of the "how to learn to code" questions I've come across deal with a lack of fundamental understanding of computers or languages. I'm fluent in Linux, repairing PC's to an extent, learning new languages is not a problem for me (learned a...

teachers didn't get mentioned you see
@Ven ok, given the one you taught at, in science classes so to say, e.g. where learning to program was not the main priority, but the problem domain was, did the code still get reviewed?
Ven
Ven
if C++ is your favorite language there are still outstanding issues
@iksemyonov If code is a topic, it should get reviewed like the other scientific topics do.

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