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Sounds like English is missing an offensive word for someone without a mother.
Looks like my clutch is dead /o/
@Morwenn You were clutching it too hard? :)
@Morwenn What car brand/type is it?
Good old Citroën C3.
More I've been told two months ago that I should change it already. Now there's so much noise that it sounds like it'll break anytime.
@Morwenn Get it towed into a repair shop?
17:24
The repair shop is 200 meters away so I can probably drive to there :p
Convenient. :)
But the appointment is on Thursday. Looks like I'll be taking public transportation for a few days.
Which means that I'll waste ~1h10 instead of 3 minutes to go to work every day (well, twice a day)...
@Morwenn How is such difference even possible?
@wilx I live at the North-East of the town and need t go to the South-West. With my car I can avoid the center of the town, but the public transportation is slower and makes me go through the town.
17:28
Also I need to take the bus, then the tramway, then the bus. Since the synchronization often sucks, I end up wasting my time waiting for almost nothing.
@Morwenn Sometimes you can get some pretty humorous results. A couple years ago I checked a route. The route taking public transportation included about half again more walking than just walking directly to the destination (something like 8 minutes to walk there directly, and 11 minutes of walking to take a bus).
@JerryCoffin If only I could to there :(
Ven
Ven
@Morwenn isn't it worth to walk?
@Ven Wow, I meant 30 minutes. Just realized the typo.
17:41
@Morwenn Heh, that is much more understandable. :)
18:00
So I just got this email from LinkedIn, "Let recruiters know you're open." Fuck you LinkedIn. How did you come to that conclusion?
I bet they sent it to everybody.
Probably.
Ell
Ell
this jar of gherkins is the tightest jar
I've ever tried to open
@Ell Someday I think I should make something that looks like a normal jar, but hs a lid that flat-out can't be removed without just breaking the jar... :-)
Ell
Ell
That would be cruel :P
and yay just opened it
18:18
@Borgleader
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Q: c++that prepares graduating students from faculty of engineering for a licensing exam to be registered Engineers

Edna DulsWe have following results of a course with exam: 75 of the students who completed this course took the exam. We want to know how well the students did in the examination and are given the scores of 75 students. We want to write a program that summarizes and analyzes the results the following way:...

please only one day left — Edna Duls 9 hours ago
@Ell Yup. Back when televisions frequently lost vertical sync, one comedian wanted to do a comedy special that in the middle of the show would simulate losing vertical sync, so everybody watching would go fiddle with their TV set to try to fix a nonexistent problem.
@JerryCoffin is it illegal to make a jar with tight fitting lids that is designed to shatter into sharp pieces when subjected to moderate amounts of force?
@orlp Not sure about illegal, as such, but there are certainly standards about such things. e.g., TEC-9, and I can pretty easily see intentional violation of such standards as opening a company up to claims about liability for [gross] negligence.
hello gentlemen
18:27
@Borgleader Here's a good epic fail:
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Q: I imported an android project from my colleague, how to find user name and password

Tanmay DeshpandeOpening activity is login page. I googled it and found that sqlite is the database for android. Pls help.

I created the web using c ++ lol — Kevin L 5 hours ago
Why were hex float literals introduced? And why are they so ugly?
@JerryCoffin nice comment under the first linked Q above
Oh right... It's school season. No wonder the 10k page is flooded with amazingly entertaining posts.
Ell
Ell
@Borgleader because it's not clear whether 1.0f will go to the binary representation you want, I think
@Mysticial Good lord....
18:31
@Borgleader Because they allow you to write a floating point value with predictable and exact value unlike use of decimals?
@Borgleader very insightful TY!
@Mysticial That's such an easy homework too sigh
what\s wrong with creating web with C++? :P
There has to be some competition out there where the goal is to post the lowest-voted question that stays open long enough to bounty.
@wilx I figured it was probably something like that, I just wasn't sure /cc @Ell
anyway, theyre still super fugly
Ell
Ell
18:35
yea they are kinda fugly
@Ell 1.0f is predictable. 0.1f ...not so much.
@Borgleader
@ppeterka - The most common motivation is evasion of question bans by artificially making sure the posts of these accounts never dip into the negatives. Cleaning these up helps block future bad questions. Others try to use this to boost their employability in areas that judge you based on SO reputation, but that can backfire badly (in the last week, at least one person has begged us to unsuspend them at least for the duration of their job interview). — Brad Larson ♦ Sep 28 at 14:22
Ell
Ell
that is what I supposed :)
@Borgleader Ugliness: when considering anything invented by the C committee, the standard of comparison is trigraphs. By that standard, hex float literals are only mildly revolting at worst.
Chestnuts ♥
18:43
@JerryCoffin Speaking of trigraphs werent those removed in C++17?
@Mysticial in the last week, at least one person has begged us to unsuspend them at least for the duration of their job interview
WHAT?!
@Borgleader Indeed.
@Borgleader Yeah. Advertise your SO profile. Get it suspended. Employer takes a look and goes WTF. ahahahaha
@Borgleader Yup. I'm pretty sure I heard a cheer from the general direction of Seattle when it happened.
TBH, I don't think I've ever seen a resume where someone advertised their SO profile. So it certainly felt a little uneasy doing that myself during the job search.
One week of hormones: no visible change.
18:46
@Mysticial I mentioned it on my resume (but only a casual mention under "personal activities", or something like that).
OTOH, Jon Skeet's Google company profile had SO all over it.
@Mysticial What a surprise!
@JerryCoffin I think I actually saw your resume. But that was so long ago though.
@JerryCoffin It read something like, "Of Stack Overflow Fame!!!"
I mention my GitHub and SO accounts on my resume because it gives me a significant Boost if I want a C++ job.
@Mysticial Must have been a while--I'm pretty sure I haven't looked at it in a couple of years now.
18:49
I also mention Lounge<C++> for shit and giggles (or not).
@Morwenn That would get me fired. (j.k.)
Some of the guys on the team know about the Lounge. And that's where I get most of my "C++ expertise" from.
Apparently my current and previous employers know about both my accounts, but they never mentioned the wig :p
@Mysticial Isn't that a bit terrifying?
@Morwenn Not really. There is a general impression/assumption that the SO C++ chatroom is full of experts (which is true). But few people outside know that we talk shit most of the time.
But the point is most of the regulars can casually dump questions here and get answered.
Not just any questions, but fairly difficult C++ questions that require pedants to answer.
True.
That's something you won't get on SO proper. There you just get trolled.
18:55
@Mysticial I do that.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm sure a lot of us here do, mainly because we tend to have the bigger profiles that are worth showing off.
no, that’s just you
lolno. I'd say anyone with at least 10k and who's top answers are mostly really good ones (and not the basic FGITW stuff) would fit the bill.
low hanging fruit etc, sorry :)
My top answer is literally « Use the preprocessor # operator » u______u
19:04
@Mysticial My biggest annoyance is that my low-effort answers are often more upvoted than the ones I've visibly put more effort into
well, disregarding the most upvoted one
@milleniumbug I imagine that someone who bothers to follow a link to an SO profile on a resume will have enough experience with SO to actually judge someone's SO profile.
They will be the ones who'll probably look at the top 5-10 posts on the profile to get a rough idea of the person's expertise.
Among those it's very likely that at least a couple of them will be stupid basic stuff. So that probably won't hurt.
But if all of them are like that, then it probably won't help.
@Mysticial ...especially late evening/nighttime in the US, when nearly the only European likely to be around is Luc.
@JerryCoffin It's not a coincidence that Luc ends up answering most of my questions that aren't related to Anime.
I should say, Luc ends up answering most of the questions I have on my personal stuff since I'm more likely to touch that at night. Everyone else answers for my work questions. Most recently the whole zero-initialize a 500 field non-POD struct.
sbi
sbi
19:22
@PatrickM'Bongo No, I still do. But I have learned to pick my fights and I have learned to prefer shops where I do not have to fight for the basics.
@PatrickM'Bongo Exactly what I said.
19:59
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It's not actually a contradiction. But it's funny to assume first poster is defending flat earth theorists
TIL there's a town named Bitche.
20:18
@Xeo @Ven @rightfold Hey, thanks for helping me out with OCaml. I'm looking at other people's solutions to some of the same problems and I seemed to pretty much hit the optimal solution for all of them, bar some fancy spacing.
> Sex robot cafe aims to offer Londoners fellatio with their morning coffee
Interesting headline.
> Sex robot cafe
> What could be better than meet your friends around a cafe and to enjoy a nice blow job from a sex robot?
Ven
Ven
@ThePhD nice :)
@Morwenn -1 no toys for women sexist bar DOWN WITH THE MAN
Ven
Ven
20:29
@Mysticial yes we're pretty happy with the purchase
@Morwenn Well, I'm not really surprised
Ven
Ven
A luc was a good investment
I've heard these appear after a month or so
@ThePhD Unless they also happen to possess a penis :o
@Morwenn Sure I guess.
I GUESS.
20:30
@milleniumbug To be honest, me neither.
Hi, I was writing a documentation for C++ Language requested topic here - http://stackoverflow.com/documentation/improvement-requests/view/7177/23999 and noticed that someone has flagged(?idk right term) it as follows -
"This example is completely unclear, incomplete, or has severe formatting problems. It is unlikely to be salvageable through editing and should be removed" which I happen to disagree with, but still I respect the choice and am willing to make proposed changes.
Now I don't know what exactly is wrong with that, but I'm willing to write or even rewrite it completely since I know the topic's worth(passed my sem exam because of Beej's guide). But since I don't know a method to contact that person, would someone mind offering suggestions what should I improve here?
@AbhinavGauniyal your code is bad. it's C and not proper idiomatic C++
20:46
That flashing blue ball on docs is really fucking annoying.
...flashing blue ball?
@Abyx okay, well I cannot replace c specific headers, some of the pointers I've used don't actually own the resource and are just used to iterate, I'm using preferred freeaddrinfo() function for freeing resources as well. std::strings instead c-styled-strings and auto wherever necessary. What part did you find as bad?
*raw pointers
@milleniumbug those blue ball for notifications, when you click over them they start the tour of SO Documentation. I usually click skip for them..
You're also using system-specific headers. If you're gonna do docs for C++ without explicitly saying that it only works on *nix. It better work on Windows as well.
While it's annoying for raw sockets, since it's C++, I'd recommend wrapping all the C-style socket objects with an RAII wrapper.
@Puppy Nice.
@Mysticial I initially thought of wrapping it into some sort of class which will manage it's lifetime but came to conclusion that it would be distracting for students. I wanted it to keep in steps, like first we've to make a system call to socket() then bind() then listen() as is described in Unix Network Programming textbook.

However I'll definitely add "example works on *nix only systems" and a footnote about how to port on windows systems, since my university course was only concerned with unix version and I don't consider myself to be a good authority for windows sockets.
user5378087
20:59
Where is that C++ Q&A room?
@Mysticial And we can add more examples (which I definitely plan to add) such as iterative server, fork based, then claiming zombie children back, then udp, sctp? Since the topic is client server examples, a lot will be covered and I'll add up an RAII wrapper in another example :)
I would love to hear more improvements if there are any and will improve my examples acc to it. Thankyou :D
@AbhinavGauniyal The whole C++ RAII thing is going to be difficult to get past (competent) reviewers. And I would hesitate on that even if you're dealing with raw sockets. Do it with C first.
user5378087
@milleniumbug It seems that I need to search at the all rooms page. I thought that I'd find inside this room. Thanks.
Woah. Tyranny of half rounded up strikes again.
Colombia's peace deal with the Farc was voted 50.2% against in a referendum
This is nuts.
21:07
They round up as long as its above .0 ?
Xeo
Xeo
@Mysticial This one might be interesting for you. Or it might not.
@rightfold wow... llvm::countTrailingZeros probably maps to another intrinsic. either bsr or lzcount
@Xeo Oooh... I hope I remember to watch it when I get home.
No sound at work.
Xeo
Xeo
lotsa stuff about parallelism from a very high level
I've been toying around with the whole numa thing and separate compute regions. A concept that neither C++ nor the majority of Intel's parallel libraries actually do.
@Puppy Did you write an LALR or an LR parser for the wide grammar?
21:15
no
Or, rather, did you try any of those, before (I think?) switching to a hand-written Recursive-Descent Top-Down parser?
yep
Hrm.
I don't think I'll have enough time in this class with group members to write one like that...
Guess I'm sticking to OCaml Lex + Menhir.
@sehe No way it's not intentional
I like to think so too
@rightfold Did I already talk to you about [first, second] -> (* match on 2 *) syntax in OCaml? /cc @Ven
Ven
Ven
@ThePhD Mmh?
@sehe I have tears in my eyes =) Ok, now I can breathe.
22:09
@Ven That's a way you can match list syntax instead of | h :: t :: [] -> (* stuff *)
Just learned about it, wanted to share I guess.
Ven
Ven
Ah. Sure.
22:36
Okay, so my new room at Uni is right next to a noisy restaurant vent
Fuck me, right!?
My only hope is that that vent is turned off at like 12 or sth
but I really just don't believe that
run a box fan next to it
This is not even funny, I will spent most of my next three terms in this room
I'd seriously rather take it in the ass once a week
Just a fucking nightmare
(Will probably also give me nightmares, assuming it lets me sleep)
is it a vent that lets voices through or does it simply emit white noise
@jaggedSpire white noise
@Columbo ah, I was thinking voices
22:43
Nah, it's just loud-ish
dunno how to help you there. White noise helps me sleep
Not really unbearingly, but sufficiently
@jaggedSpire lulwat
@Columbo box fan in my room as a toddler
@jaggedSpire wtf?
was that loud?
not loud enough to hurt, but loud enough to block out other, irregular noises that would otherwise stand out
22:45
@jaggedSpire Wtf. I am used to - well - no noise
Guess that luxury is not meant to be
it's actually a really great way to avoid getting woken up by the garbage trucks. Can't hear 'em behind the whrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
@Columbo alas
@nwp Yeah, I'm afraid that is my only choice.
23:01
Many (most?) assignments dealing with threads seem designed specifically to do threading as badly as possible, but this seems to set new records in requiring bad code, and prohibiting anything that might have any possibility of being even halfway right.
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Q: Print consonant and vowels

CarlMy assignment is to to create two threads running functions (called vow and cons). The threads take turns printing the respective words of the phrase supplied from a text file. The main thread shouldn't post anything (only cons and vow functions should print). I can't use synchronization primitiv...

wow
std::thread vowThread(vow, currWord);
vowThread.join();
^^ Really?
@Mysticial Yes--his code seems to have taken the "set new records for terrible ideas" to heart, so if forks and joins on a per-word basis...
Not to mention it has a while (!foo.eof()) loop, and (one I've never seen before) defines functions before main then adds (utterly useless) declarations of them after main.
I have not seen that one either
@Puppy "Fubar University: inspiring and researching new (and worse) ideas for more than NNN years."
@JerryCoffin I think you mean Trump University
23:10
If anyone was watching the election polls live today. It was "less than boring" when the news broke out about Trump's foundation getting a cease and desist and the sexism on his apprentice show.
@Borgleader Nah--taking advantage of morons who want to get rich quick isn't new.
23:36
I'd like to take this opportunity to explain that all positions, academic, political, bureaucratic, managerial, pedagogical, very much depends on the person doing the task. The assignment Jerry C refers to is a catastrofy and not representative of the profession.
:s/ofy/ophy/ ?
23:48
ALRIGHT!
It's time to build my first thread.
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