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9:00 PM
there's no need for a program which computes n! to involve types anywhere, except to describe the input and output as any other function
 
@DeadMG What is the meaning of n! if it has no type?
 
Is this code extern int myFunc(); known as a "function prototype"?
 
> except to describe the input and output as any other function
 
Or just a function declaration
 
@SSHThis Declaration.
 
9:01 PM
@GManNickG thank you, and there is an important difference in these terms?
 
@DeadMG I think I'm definitely lost on what exactly you're trying to say.
 
a metaprogram which computes n! has no more or less to do with types than a normal program which computes n!
 
@GManNickG +1
 
This light bullshit is still killing me. I have a single light source, no global ambient lighting, and yet, all my objects are being lit from all sides at once.
 
@SSHThis Not really, everyone will understand what you mean when you say either one, though strictly speaking "function declaration" is the 'correct' one, the other is just parlance (from C, I think).
 
9:02 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Bad shader.
 
@DeadMG you can't compute n! unless there is a type. Without a type, there isn't even storage, and algorithms without storage are pure but of little practical value.
 
@DeadMG It's fixed pipeline OpenGL 2.
 
@sehe Right. I'm not saying that types are useless or anything.
 
Yay, swap trashing.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Change to use shaders. Fixed-function pipelines are dead for a reason.
 
9:03 PM
I love 30 second response times on everything.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Lighting disabled?
 
@DeadMG Just that they're not needed for n!. Right. I don't get it then
 
@CatPlusPlus The future says "hello".
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Nope, it's enabled.
 
@sehe No, that's not what I meant.
 
9:03 PM
@DeadMG It's for a class. Using the fixed pipeline is a requirement.
 
@someonethataskedthisbutIdontrememberanymorewhoitwas sed -e "s/pattern/replacement"
 
@sehe GManNickG said that metaprograms were expressed in types. All I'm saying is that a metaprogram that computes n! has nothing more to do with types than a regular program which computes n! and there is no reason to implement a compile-time program which produces n! with any greater connection to the type system than a regular program which computes it at run-time.
 
@GManNickG thanks a lot, I appreciate it :)
 
The worst part is, closing any of the swapped out program means it'll take 10 minutes to swap every damn page in to free it.
 
 
9:04 PM
Freeing memory considered harmful.
 
@DeadMG I think I'm just stuck on this claim up here. What did you mean by that?
 
@DeadMG Just that you don't define the types, doesn't mean the program isn't expressed in terms of them?
 
@SSHThis Yupyup.
 
It's a .com you're looking for.
 
@GManNickG What I mean is that if I have a system which is Turing-complete at compile-time, then I can do anything I want with it, and proving correctness is automatically included. There's no need to express every metaprogram in terms of types.
 
9:06 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Thx, fixed (I got the wrong link from knowyourmeme.com/memes/download-more-ram without checking it :))
 
@sehe The program is expressed as a function. Only in C++ is it expressed as a bunch of types with that factorial<I>::value stuff.
 
Those crazy Japs.
 
Oh, we're talking about metaprogramming? Obligatory 'Template Haskell FTW'.
 
@DeadMG But now you're in a Turing tarpit.
 
@DeadMG What language? I mean, all languages I'm aware of have types, however generic
 
9:08 PM
@DeadMG It seems to me like you're quite accurately talking about Thue.
Thue ( ) is an esoteric programming language invented by John Colagioia in early 2000. It is a meta-language that can be used to define or recognize Type-0 languages from the Chomsky hierarchy. Because it is able to define languages of such complexity, it is also Turing-complete itself. Thue is based on a nondeterministic string rewriting system called semi-Thue grammar, which itself is named after (and possibly created by) the Norwegian mathematician Axel Thue; inspiration is also taken from the grue. The author describes it as follows: "Thue represents one of the simplest possible ways to...
 
@GManNickG int factorial(int i) { if (i == 1) return 1; return i * factorial(i - 1); } smells like C++ to me
@GManNickG Why? Who says that metaprograms can't be every bit as useful and include every feature that you see at run-time?
 
@DeadMG (Sorry, corrected which comment I was pointing at.)
 
it's only the case in most (not all) existing languages that their compile-time functionality is a bastardized EDSL at best
 
@DeadMG Turing tarpits have nothing to do with functional capabilities; we agree "that metaprograms can't be every bit as useful and include every feature that you see at run-time". What sucks, though, is all the work you have ahead for yourself to do so. You're basically inventing a new programming language within your metasystem. Why even bother with the metasystem?
 
Cue everyone chiming in with their favourite counter-example.
 
9:11 PM
@GManNickG More accurately, why not just re-use the language I intend to use at run-time?
 
@DeadMG Lost me again. :)
 
why invent a new programming language inside my metasystem? I'm already inventing a new language
just use the same language to execute at both run-time and compile-time
 
The way I see it, it's almost as if my camera was a light source...
Wait a minute.
 
glDisable(GL_CAMERA_LIGHT);
 
Still lost. :( My point is either: 1) your metalanguage has lots of primitives which you'll then piece together to form a system where you can express your needs (correctness or otherwise), in effect making a new language, or, 2) your metalanguage already has those pieces put together, so you'll just use it directly. In the case of 1, why not just start at 2?
 
9:15 PM
@GManNickG Because those pieces can be re-assembled to form any useful program, instead of just correctness.
 
And if 2, you're just inventing a new language equivalent to one with all the type I've been discussing. (Yes, like it or not you're going to use types/category theory somewhere in there.)
 
and there's no way that I can pre-piece together the basic pieces to put together every useful metaprogram
 
@DeadMG As could any other language. I still don't know what you're arguing for or against, honrstly.
 
@GManNickG No, it'll probably be better.
you are talking about a metasystem whose exclusive, and only, use is to prove correctness about run-time behaviour
 
Fuuuucking hell
 
9:16 PM
I am talking about a metasystem which can prove correctness and perform optimizations and read from files and compute factorials
 
@RMartinhoFernandes nice try
 
I have to set the light's position to 0,0,0 every time I move the camera, right?
 
@DeadMG Replace metasystem with programming language, and I don't see your point.
 
well, one of those systems can do things which are a superset of what the other can do
 
@DeadMG You do realize that the possibility to prove correctness will create dramatic new oppotunities for optimization, of course. For one thing, all range checking can go, since you can prove it isn't needed statically. Also, you can completely rewrite/auto parallellize stuff since you can statically prove two programs are equivalent.
 
9:18 PM
What's the difference between a metasystem that does what you say and a programming language that does what you say? I don't understand the use of meta* in this discussion.
 
Yeehah! Ideal worlds are way cool
 
@GManNickG Because a programming language which does not include an equivalent metasystem cannot express programs that execute at compile-time.
 
You need to go full meta.
 
that is, in C++, you cannot write a program that produces a parser from a grammar, for example, at compile-time
and if you replace templates with something designed just to enforce correctness, then you still can't do that
@GManNickG Ahem. My bad. See edit.
 
Never go full meta.
 
9:20 PM
Ooooh. My. Fuck. It works. IT WOOOORKS.
 
Isn't that the same as you writing a compiler on the "meta"? Which obviously you can also do on the "<insert-opposite-of-meta-here>" too. The sole difference being that on "meta" you probably have constructs at your disposal that make it easier.
 
I think it's time to get drunk.
 
arrr. I never can navigate my way in twitter. UI design fail, IMO
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier. Your turn. :P
 
@GManNickG Oh, I'm on your side now :)
 
9:21 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Arguably, you could write a Wide compiler that compiles Wide into executable code at compile-time, and then executes it :P
although obviously the value of doing that would be, well, dubious
unless you like JITs, I guess
 
And that basically amounts to interpreting it.
 
What is Wide? Searching for "wide programming language" doesn't return much.
 
we already had this discussion :P
@GManNickG Under construction.
 
@GManNickG Don't insult him, the puppy can become ravenous.
 
9:23 PM
Ah, project of yours?
I don't insult!
 
yes
 
The Ravenous Bugblatter Puppy of Traal.
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@RMartinhoFernandes woof woof
 
extremely rapacious (ra·pa·cious /rəˈpeɪʃəs/)
 
anyway
I can have that discussion (and pwn you) about the difference between interpreting and compiling in my proposed system if you'd like :P
 
9:25 PM
@DeadMG No, I agree with you that we had that already.
 
But I didn't. :P
 
I don't remember it in the least, but I remember having it. I'm sure another go at it would lead to the same result.
 
the robot argues (or argued) that since you can execute Wide from source at compile-time, this amounts to a compile-time interpreter of Wide.
 
Who's the robot?
 
but I argue that since they're compiled to dynamic native libraries first, and possibly shipped in that form, before execution, then they are compiled.
 
9:27 PM
And that sounds like a correct claim to me.
 
@GManNickG R. Martinho
I'm the puppy and he's the robot
 
I see.
 
In any case, I'd like to make clear that I mean "interpreter" in the same sense that /usr/bin/python is a Python interpreter, even if it JITs the code.
 
there's a difference between "JIT" and "Physically writes out a .dll to disk which you can ship to your customers"
 
@DeadMG Oh, that sounds like what boo does.
 
9:29 PM
yes, Boo has something similar going on
 
It basically takes a normal compile step, and then loads the assembly it generated and reifies everything.
 
but it's a disgusting CLR language, so
 
So is there a site up for Wide?
 
there is, although don't expect to find the juicy details yet
crap, I forgot the URL
 
9:30 PM
my machine at university always auto-completes it for me
 
rofl
I can't express how much I'm laughing.
 
LOL.
 
aaaah
no wonder I keep getting it wrong
 
Now I understand the humor in forgetting. :)
 
that damn www.
I always forget to include it
I always try wide-language.com and Chrome always tells me I'm a moron
 
9:32 PM
Lol.
 
@DeadMG Well, to be fair, Chrome kind of has a point here.
 
shut up you
 
Using www prefix is a fail.
 
you wouldn't recognize a moron if it licked your hand and shat on your carpet
see, now I've visited the site, it auto-completes for me
 
Seriously, you forgot the URL for your own website.
 
9:34 PM
I forget my PIN for my bank cards, too
 
I've never forgotten a PIN
 
@sehe So irritating that HTML won't highlight both the initializer_statements
 
@KianMayne You never had one?
 
@sehe What about it?
PINs suck.
 
9:35 PM
Haha no I have
 
I want to use a poem for my bank card "PINs".
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I mean 10000 combinations. Wtf
 
Gah, no navigation whatsoever.
 
@CatPlusPlus I know.
 
@KianMayne It's not like you can brute force it easily anyway.
 
9:37 PM
yeah, they lock you out if you fail three times
trust me, I would know... :(
 
But four numbers use up a lot more memory resources in my brain than a poem.
 
Yeah
 
And the poem is reusable!
 
what I need to do
is pay some monkey ten quid to do a better job on my website
 
Oh, "quid" is "buck"?
 
9:39 PM
huh?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes more of a book title than a first sentence, though
 
@DeadMG "Quid" is to "pound" as "buck" is to "dollar"?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yes.
why, did I write that somewhere on my spec? :P
 
Btw, for the Continentals out there, can you complete this sentence "'quid' is to 'pound' as _____ to 'euro'"?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You're a Continental too
 
9:40 PM
'euro'.
 
@DeadMG No, but I had to Google "quid".
 
true
but where did you find "quid"?
 
You don't watch enough UK shows.
 
@DeadMG Sure, but I don't know the answer.
 
2 mins ago, by DeadMG
is pay some monkey ten quid to do a better job on my website
 
9:41 PM
Saying "euro" is a bit difficult, at least in Portuguese.
@DeadMG Your message.
 
ah
lol, see what I mean about forgetting things?
 
In French you do very lame puns like 'eural' or 'neuro'/'neural'.
 
as soon as you asked me about "quid", I promptly totally forgot that message and assumed I must have written it somewhere on my specification :P
 
In fact, some of the less educated elderly end up saying "ouro" (gold).
 
Hold on
> The UK version of chip and PIN uses a PIN stored on the card which is verified locally before the transaction proceeds. This is not the same elsewhere in the world and the UK system has been widely criticised as insecure.
 
9:43 PM
Woah.
 
Surely if you knew the encryption scheme
 
@KianMayne Steal an ATM.
 
and had a magnetic card reader
Hahahaha
 
You laugh, but people actually do steal ATMs.
 
9:44 PM
Yep.
 
@KianMayne Magnetic readers only read the magnetic strip, which is not the same.
 
They rip them off with construction machinery, for example.
 
I've heard of few blown up here.
 
Well a card reader
I guess they could implement one of those "it takes 5 seconds to calculate the hash" things
 
For what?
 
9:46 PM
To hash the pin and store it on the card, but with 5 seconds which I'm sure would be a top end for someone to wait at one of those things, it would still only take under 14 hours
 
@KianMayne So it would take 50000 seconds (<14 hours) to build a rainbow table?
@KianMayne I suppose there's no waiting time on the UK, given what you quoted above.
 
You don't want to store PIN on the card.
 
Here you can actually notice the network latency after inputting your code.
 
There's no reason to do so.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes No, you still get that here
 
9:48 PM
agreed
just hash the damn thing with a random salt stored on the card
 
@CatPlusPlus It's cheaper!
Probably not.
 
@DeadMG That wouldn't change it; you could still easily brute force
 
not really
just introduce a timeout on the chip
you can only try for 20 seconds, for example
 
What would stop you from ripping that data off the chip?
 
9:50 PM
no idea, I don't know how it's supposed to work :P
 
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Even if the thing took 30 seconds per try to calculate, it's still only 3 days, 11 hours, and 20 minutes
 
Just make the verification on the server.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes There's a server in this system?
 
@DeadMG Where do you think the money comes from?
Well, the information about the money, not the actual paper, I mean.
 
9:52 PM
good point
 
@DeadMG No, the money just materializes in the sky
 
ok
 
You send PIN to the card handler, you get 'correct' or 'incorrect' back.
 
well that sounds a lot more secure
 
Still, what about tapping the network?
 
9:53 PM
You can still try guessing, but after several attempts they can just block the card automatically.
 
Huh?
 
@KianMayne Obviously you use a secure channel.
i.e., not SO chat, not e-mail, not the public Internet.
 
It's probably encrypted in some way, and transmitted through dedicated lines.
But the basic idea is 'don't reveal anything client might not know'.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes But even if it's encrypted, there's still just the 10000 possibilities for the packet(s)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Secure SO Chat is currently offline for maintenance :)
 
9:55 PM
@KianMayne So?
What makes encryption secure is not the message.
 
In secure protocol, two ciphertexts containing the same PIN will never be the same.
 
But it's the same point I made earlier - if you know the encryption scheme, then you can brute force those 10000
 
@KianMayne No, you need the keys as well.
 
Also what do you want to brute force, anyway?
 
@KianMayne Nope. If the encryption key is negotiated on each session (like the SSL handshake), you'll get 10000 different unique, random possible packets each session.
 
9:57 PM
And the keys are never reused.
 
Ahh yes of course
 
Otherwise, making encryption algorithms public knowledge would be incredibly silly.
 
> In the U.S., I believe no or very few cards do actually store the PIN. Instead, the PIN is in a central computer, and the ATM has to call up the central computer and ask if the PIN is correct.
 
and a session can only b hi-jacked via MITM
 
There's no point in storing PIN on card. What if you want to change it, you go to the bank and ask for a new card?
Silly.
 
9:58 PM
@CatPlusPlus You make the card flashable!
 
Yeah in the UK, you can change it at ATMs
 
And I can change it from home, the way I like it
 
Which means there's no need for the bruteforcing if you know the encryption scheme :L
Just write your own pin
 
@KianMayne So you grab an ATM and build a PIN changing machine. No need for bruteforcing.
 
Yeah ^
 
10:00 PM
All the PINs are now 0000.
 
sbi
@KianMayne I dearly hope they are not passing the actual PIN to the DB for validation.
 
@sbi Me too
 
It's probably more of a challenge-response scheme.
 
I expect they're not though
 
In cryptography, a zero-knowledge password proof (ZKPP) is an interactive method for one party (the prover) to prove to another party (the verifier) that it knows a value of a password, without revealing anything other than the fact that it knows that password to the verifier. The term is defined in IEEE P1363.2, in reference to one of the benefits of using a password-authenticated key agreement (PAKE) protocol that is secure against off-line dictionary attacks. A ZKPP prevents any party from verifying guesses for the password without interacting with a party that knows it and, in the opti...
Or something.
 
10:04 PM
The most popular card fraud scheme around here seems to be to use a modified credit card terminal on some store that stores all the card's information. Then you use that for making a clone and go nuts at the nearby strip club or whatever floats your boat. I think this only works for those PIN-less thingies some people use though.
 
Meh I'm not really worried about all this. I'll just keep an eye on my bank statements (something I already do anyway)
On the small amount of money I have
 
I just don't have money!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes everything is in UMTS brandwidth :_)
 
I once got the impression your connectivity depended on a UMTS dongle
Feb 20 at 16:21, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@sehe I was spending some time back with my parents, and over there the 3G modem is was my source of the Internets. Since it died, I spent a fun week out there in the middle of nature. Last Thursday I just was visiting my uncle and took the opportunity to use his Internet access. Now, I'm back home where I have real Internets and none of that UMTS crap.
 
10:08 PM
I've come to learn one things in writing software: Nothing is ever simple
I hereby wish you goodnight
 
@TonyTheLion Hold it, things arent't that simple!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes The most common card scheme in America is replacing the magnetic scanner with a custom one that records the numbers as well as passing it through (so the ATM still works) with a small camera nearby to catch the pin.
 
@sehe Only when I'm staying on my parents's.
 
You sleep well.
@RMartinhoFernandes I was wondering about your mad search speeds :)
 
At home I have "real" Internet.
 
10:09 PM
@MooingDuck a.k.a. skimming
 
@MooingDuck Oh, maybe they use a camera too.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Hahaha. Oxymoron of the day
 
@sehe yes
 
Mwahaha unpunishable vandalism
SIM cards are property of the carriers
 
Damn, that was an "at" above.
I guess I'll never grok English "in"/"on"/"at".
 
10:12 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes what was the example? The "normal" usages are simple enough, so there must have been a particular case to spark that comment
 
4 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@sehe Only when I'm staying on my parents's.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes apperently not. "in" = "inside a <object>" "on" "on top of a <object>", "at" = "at a <place that is not an object>" or "adjacent to a <object>"
@RMartinhoFernandes you're right, that is complicated :(
 
So, you guys like to sleep adjacent to night, and to work on top of Mondays?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes :(
Stupid English
@RMartinhoFernandes I forgot times
"on" a day, "at" a time :(
 
I still think it's more nuanced than that.
 
10:20 PM
Lojban (pronounced ) is a constructed, syntactically unambiguous human language based on predicate logic, succeeding the project of Loglan. The name "Lojban" is a combination of loj and ban, which are short forms of logji (logic) and bangu (language), respectively. Development of the language began in 1987 by The Logical Language Group (LLG), who intended to realize Loglan's purposes as well as further complement the language by making it more usable, and freely available (as indicated by its official full English name "Lojban: a realization of Loglan"). After a long initial period of de...
 
Am I in Europe, on Europe, or at Europe?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes always is
 
At least in Portuguese we only have 20 words to express those three ideas (it's just one, but it has 20 different forms due to cases)
@CatPlusPlus So, what's the rule?
Europe is a place.
I'm on top of it, too.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes There's nothing to grok. Those prepositions are different in every language, rarely ever make sense (and if they do, they do only in relation to your native language), and you just have to know which one to usein which context.
 
10:24 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes English only pretends to have rules
 
Depends on the object.
There's no generic rule, AFAIR.
 
@sbi See, we only have one! It makes perfect sense.
 
Not that I'd remember any rules.
 
I never really learned English grammar
 
sbi
> Language is a virus from outer space. — William S Burroughs
 
10:25 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Cases as in grammatical case?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes You only have one what?
 
@LucDanton Plural, gender, and some forms convey more information, like whether the thing you are in/on/at is closer to the speaker or the listener.
@sbi One of those prepositions.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That seems convenient and for once somewhat sensible.
 
sbi
10:27 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes You use the same preposition for being in the house, on the house, under the house, or besides the house?? I somewhat doubt that.
 
@sbi Yes. There are words to make clear your position in relation to the house (obviously), but those are not prepositions.
 
mawnin
 
Hey, that doesn't count then.
 
sbi
@sehe Yeah, that's where I learned the quote from, too. :)
 
What doesn't count?
 
10:30 PM
Yay; I spilt sticky squash all over my keyboard -__-
 
@sbi French: 'en dehors', 'en bas', 'au dessus', 'devant' - would those be context sensitive keywords prepositions?
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes So you are using different prepositions, you only create them by modifying a word (through adding words, IIUC).
 
> I took my dad to see this show all those years ago. He fell asleep.
 
@sehe 'Devant' is.
 
^ lol
@LucDanton 'does' ?!
 
10:31 PM
I'm doing too many things at once okay?
 
Does what? It does 'be'? It does prepose?
 
sbi
@sehe Well, I learned those as "prepositions", and since it's a Latin word, I suppose it's an internationally used word. But, really, I know very little about foreign languages, so take this with a sack of salt.
 
Well, I actually know all Portuguese prepositions by heart.
 
@MooingDuck "On the train" :(
 
The words used to express positional relationships are not amongst them.
 
sbi
10:33 PM
@sehe Worse: My girlfriend back then had to leave the cinema, because she couldn't stand it.
 
I bolded my interrobang (ɪnˈtɛrəbæŋ) because it's the weirdest new word I learned today
 
@sehe Apparently a lot of those count as adverbs or are phrases that pass as adverbs.
 
@LucDanton Yep, that's the same here.
 
@sbi Ok. Good your not Portugese. It would be kind of hard to tell whether your gf said 'You and me are over' or rather 'You and me are on'
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, my grammar lessons are certainly a few decades ago, but from what I remember, there's also temporal prepositions ("before", "after").
 
10:35 PM
@sehe That "over" does not express a similar idea.
"You and me are over" would be translate like "You and me ended".
 
sbi
@sehe She is female. If something a friend of mine drags us in doesn't appeal, our relationship might just as well be over for now. It can be resurrected later, though. (Weren't you the one who's married with kids? You should know!)
 
Unless you're saying they are over something.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes In dutch it would be a 'bepaling van gesteldheid'... My English grammar will never rock quite the way my Dutch does.
 
I can't really translate "You and me are on" without losing the idea or adding something to it.
 
@sbi I do know. I'm also known to SCNR any available bad pun
 
sbi
10:38 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Over the hills? :)
 
@sehe Does 'gesteldheid' mean preposition?
 
Absolutely. Not.
More like 'condition'
 
You and me are prepositions.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Aw, that's so romantic. Love you too
 
@DeadMG: If you're interested in language development, this was interesting, though it's old and you may have already seen it: youtube.com/watch?v=iSmkqocn0oQ
 
10:39 PM
@sehe Proposition perhaps? Ah nevermind me, time to fetch a dictionary.
 
@sbi So you're like me, but you link to Youtube video clips instead of tropes?
@sbi Oh, one of my old roommates was constantly listening to the nightwish cover of that.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Actually, that should be "And You and I", not "You And Me".
@RMartinhoFernandes No, usually I link to Twitter messages. :)
@RMartinhoFernandes I have heard of Nightwish, but I have never heard any other version of this song. It used to rock my teenage self. Or was it my early 20s? Anyway, it's long ago now.
 
^ That's on-topic
 
sbi
@sehe So the guy who invented Haskell likes to take off his shirt. How incredibly on-topic in the C++ room.
Anyway, i need to go to bed now.
Good night, folks!
 
@sbi Night!
 
10:51 PM
@sbi Good night
Ow, well, who'd have thunk, someone in the lounge doesn't immediately think Haskell is the best language. Of course, it isn't on topic, since the shirts most likely aren't made of polyvinyl chloride
 
@sbi Hey, I was just adulterating someone else's message. Fixing mistakes would lose the humorous potential.
 
@GManNickG I have not seen it, but it does not surprise me.
 
@sbi It's linked from the video you posted: youtube.com/watch?v=W8hrKUMJHok
(I'm not a big fan of it, but I heard it so many times I immediately recognized it.)
@sbi Good night.
 
just saw some poor sod on Programmers saying he was fluent in "C++/STL"
 
> This video contains content from Carsey-Werner LLC, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
OMG, the Internets, I can't see them!
 
11:06 PM
I see your TVTropes link
 
Don't you trope us.
 
11:20 PM
@DeadMG so. I bet he is
 
merely laughing that he called it a language
 
11:46 PM
good luck with that
nobody is fluent in DeadMG
oh, I speak it
but unfortunately, the translator between DeadMG and English is, shall we say, somewhat flawed
 
hmm, I'm attempting to right align some text in facebook, but I can't seem to enter the LRM. When I try, windows gives me ☼ instead.
by "right align" I mean Right to left text. I do know what I'm saying, if not what I'm doing.
 

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