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5:00 PM
sounds like a horrible freemium mobile game
 
lol random
 
Ven
@Puppy bioshock(s), the witcher
 
bioshock was pretty poor
no inclination to buy sequels
 
witcher definitely very cool; bioshock infinite really good as well
 
user406009
@Puppy Underrail is a pretty fun RPG.
 
5:06 PM
no it's not
don't listen to his lies
 
user406009
Well, it sorta comes down to what you want out of a RPG.
 
user406009
UnderRail has fun tactical combat sort of stuff.
 
user406009
Which you might not like if you want a more FPS type of thing.
 
nah I'm good with it not being FPS/RPG
 
you're right; if you want a lot of bugs, boring backtracking, bad story and wanky combat system that tries fallout 2 and fails, underrail is for you
 
5:07 PM
had some fun with e.g. Baldur's Gate, Final Fantasy
 
if you liked baldru's gate, you can try Pillars of Eternity (from the newer stuffs)
or from the older stuffs (BG era) - Icewind dale 2 and Planescape : Torment
 
wasn't quite such a fan of Icewind Dales, although I thought they weren't too bad
I tried Neverwinter Nights, but it had a terrible habit of just throwing 99 mooks and a bitch ain't one at me, no interesting enemies at all
 
user406009
Having played both Pillars of Eternity and Underrail, Underrail has better combat (and was more "fun"). Pillars of Eternity has a better story.
 
Pillars of Eternity I can recommend
or a diablo-esque game such as Torchlight 2, grim dawn, path of exile
 
user406009
@Puppy I would recommend just watching let's plays and seeing what you think would be more fun.
 
5:11 PM
I tried Torchlight 2 but it was just kinda... flat.
not really sure how best to explain it
in Diablo 3 you get much more interesting skills I thought
like lightning that then makes your enemies explode, which was truly hilarious against large packs
 
mmmm, that's exactly what I thought about TL2 and hated diablo 3 for
 
but Torchlight didn't really seem to offer anything comparable
I mean, don't get me wrong, D3 had shitloads of problems of its own
 
also, items in TL2 are a lot more fun; no silly "+10% dmg" but "releases a swarm of angry squirrels on hit"
 
but I dunno, in D3 you wanted to play the game even though the AH was shit, because it was fundamentally fairly interesting
whereas in TL2 I'm just not really caring
 
there is path of exile and grim dawn still; also an older but good title Titan Quest
 
5:14 PM
Pillars of Eternity looks good
 
user406009
@Puppy I assume you have already tried playing Factorio?
 
yeah
I thought it was pretty bleh
allegedly the game is actually fun after you get past the part where you have to manually insert coal into your burners
 
user406009
I thought it was really unique. And fun in certain ways.
 
user406009
Sorta like FTL, I'll remember it as one of the better indie games.
 
...so, after 2 minutes of playing
 
5:18 PM
I didn't find it to be two minutes of playing
 
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ThunderforgeI'm implementing a Java app that includes an Undo/Redo stack. I've noticed that some apps (such as TextEdit on Mac OS X) let you choose "Undo Typing" from the Edit Menu after typing some text. I'd like to implement that sort of thing into my app as well, but I'm having a really hard time finding ...

interesting problem
 
but don't you think it's pretty fuckin' stupid to have a core gameplay concept and then open by offering gameplay that's totally different?
the whole point of Factorio is to not do that shit.
why would they even implement manual-refuelling-burners in the first place
 
user406009
Because it is occasionally useful?
 
you lost me there
 
user406009
I would say the main boring parts of factorio are due to a lack of automatic repair in a large part of the game.
 
user406009
5:20 PM
Running around randomly repairing walls/turrets gets boring.
 
so yeah Factorio, coulda been interesting but really did not captivate me in any way
 
@Puppy To make you understand how painful that is
 
yeah, it's so painful I decided not to do it anymore by closing the game ;p
 
So that you appreciate better the initial achievement of automating something as simple as coal production
Every game has initial hard parts that get better as go forward
 
nah
the manual-insert burners aren't hard, they're just boring and completely contrary to the whole point of playing the game.
 
5:32 PM
Lounge<Gaming>
 
KSP is hard to start with, but it's still fundamentally the same game, and it's not hard because the game is fucked up.
 
anyone else play overwatch?
 
In factorio sometimes you have to insert things manually until you have stuff up and ready
That's part of the gameplay
 
and puppy's point is that these aren't really needed
tbh these can still be automated
burner inserters can insert fuels into themselves
 
@milleniumbug sexy bby
 
Xeo
5:35 PM
@Lalaland That is actually pretty easy to automate
 
They are needed because it makes it easier to understand that you, as a player, are part of the game too, and not everything can be automated
 
Xeo
roboports \o/
 
Yeah, roboports can be automated
 
user406009
@Xeo Sorta later game tech though.
 
Xeo
not really? they're not that far into the tech tree, IIRC
 
5:36 PM
But really, saying that Factorio sucks because the first minute of gameplay doesn't allow automation is dumb
 
user406009
And then the bugs show up on a side you weren't expecting.
 
user406009
And wreck your supply lines.
 
18 mins ago, by milleniumbug
...so, after 2 minutes of playing
 
user406009
But that's sorta your fault.
 
Xeo
anyhow, animu time
 
5:37 PM
@Xeo They need oil production, which I would consider mid-game
Even mid-late game
Just like the argument that Hearstone sucks because they have a forced tutorial at the beginning
Hearstone sucks for other reasons, not that one
 
user406009
I think the main problem with Hearthstone is the very limited range of actions you can do.
 
Theres a bit too much RNG to by taste and I dont like not being able to answer to stuff my opponent does (secrets aside)
 
user406009
Well, RNG is a problem with all games of that type.
 
user406009
Other than maybe Prismata.
 
Is Inside Out good?
 
user406009
5:45 PM
Eh, it is OK. I personally didn't really care for it all that much.
 
rottentomatoes.com/m/inside_out_2015 <-- great score on RT, ive not seen it personally
 
user406009
But I usually don't really like many movies.
 
A great interview question would be, "Object A takes up 54 bytes of memory and Object B takes up 32 bytes of memory. How much memory does a pointer to an object of type A and type B take up?"
 
Why would that be a great interview question...
 
nwp
@JossieCalderon maybe a great way to speed up fizzbuzz, other than that not so much
 
5:52 PM
It shows the interviewer whether or not the interviewee understands pointers
 
It might pass as an exam question for C++101
 
@JossieCalderon ...not really
it's tied to the computer architecture
also the question it's ambiguous
"pointer to an object of type A and type B" - so the pointer can point to the values that is of two types?
 
I didn't word it correctly.
 
@JossieCalderon "On this one specific architecture int* is 2 bytes, and void* is 4 bytes. Why is that?" could be, depending on the subject
 
That's a better question
 
6:01 PM
@milleniumbug Depends on the job I guess, cuz I dont think this information would be useful to me. Either that or im misinterpreting the question.
 
I doubt one could find a job in where this info would be relevant
 
Compilers? :P
TBH the only feature I know that affects pointer size is pointers to member functions I think? Because of multiple inheritance.
 
The standardese answer would be "there's nothing preventing them to be different", but this would satisfy nobody except lrio
 
Ven
talking about lrio in 2016...
 
6:16 PM
sadly no mei baes :(
 
@Borgleader It's really great. Go see it.
 
user1804599
6:58 PM
fapfapfap
 
user1804599
Terraria is so much fun
 
7:15 PM
Wake up. We do not have to do this. We can stop this madness through a vote in Parliament. My statement below https://t.co/V8f9Yo1TZd
 
nwp
I don't know what would do more damage: Brtitain actually leaving the EU or backpaddling and admitting that votes are irrelevant.
It might very well be the latter
 
user1804599
Never reject referendum outcomes
 
user1804599
Celebrate all of them
 
@Shoe The problem with this is that you're assuming that I'm an abject moron and it's not incredibly obvious that I cannot be automated.
 
@Bassie it's 2d hence it's shit.
 
7:25 PM
@Bassie Starbound is better I think.
 
@nwp it already got shitload of damage with its currency rate
 
@nwp We already have an incredibly unrepresentative lower house, and our upper house is not even allegedly elected.
 
And the mayor of your capital is the joker
 
frankly it would be nice if our non-democracy would for once do the right thing in a totally undemocratic way.
instead of the wrong thing in a totally undemocratic way.
@Columbo Ex-mayor.
 
@Borgleader Inside Out is super cute.
 
7:27 PM
@Puppy Fortunately.
 
unless for some reason you really hate Sadiq Khan but I don't really know of anything he's done to deserve it.
 
@Puppy what do you think - should Scotland separate or not?
 
user1804599
@Puppy "right" is subjective, because morality is subjective. That's why the majority vote is the one that counts
 
@Bassie I went for illicit affair, let's see what happens
 
user1804599
7:29 PM
That the minority thinks they're more right is irrelevant, since the majority also thinks they're more right
 
@Bassie Wait... is Owner actually Daddy?
 
nwp
@Bassie morality is not subjective, there are objective rules to decide what is morally right and wrong
 
@Columbo it's funny, I kept picking options to screw over Owner.
 
@Puppy Yes, I drove his affair to his ex-wives's new house XD
 
I picked up his mistress, went to his wife's lawyer, went to the man now fucking his wife's house, picked up everybody
lol
 
7:32 PM
Politics isn't exactly the same thing as morality
 
>“Car, why’d you do that?” Owner asks. “Everyone I’ve ever slept with is inside you right now.”
> “Hey, can I get in your car? I need to get in so I can beat you up in front of everyone you love.”
=> Obey
 
when UK realized impact of what it has done: "bo3?"
 
I was just thinking that
 
user1804599
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, one way ignores the opinion of less than half the voters
 
user1804599
@nwp bullshit
 
user1804599
7:38 PM
morality is made up by man
 
user1804599
it's not intrinsic to the universe
 
user1804599
it's not something that's there
 
user1804599
it's based on subjective desires
 
user1804599
"do not kill people because they deserve to live" is something most agree upon, but it's not based on any facts
 
nwp
morality is as made up and intrinsically there as math
 
user1804599
7:39 PM
no, math is 100% based on facts
 
user1804599
you can't have the opinion that 1 + 1 = 2
 
user1804599
it just is so
 
nwp
the short version is "if the intention of your action works as a universal law then it is morally right, otherwise it is morally wrong"
 
@Bassie math is 100% based on axioms
 
well, that's not strictly true.
 
7:40 PM
Wow... these are hugely complex philosophical issues being boiled down
 
user1804599
you can have the opinion that it's right to kill innocent people, and that that's ethical, and in fact there are people who do
 
if those axioms are true (whatever 'true' might mean), then that math holds
 
Godel's Incompleteness Theorem kinda implies that you could have an opinion about things that can't be proved or disproved.
 
but what if our very logic, our very math axioms are inconsistent?
 
then they're oddly successful
 
7:41 PM
@Puppy for our perspective, yes :)
but we've explored only a non-significant basically zero out of the infinitely large space of math and logic axioms
 
"Axioms are true" strictly is meaningless.
 
nwp
you can check if killing innocent people is morally right by saying "so everyone can kill innocent people, everyone is innocent sometimes in something, that means anyone can kill anyone any time which is not a universally good law"
 
The axioms may or may not apply to a particular thing
 
@HWalters sounds like an axiom alright
 
well it's not really a matter of perspective, it's easily provable by various experiments that our mathematics reflects the universe in which we live.
 
7:42 PM
@HWalters not necessarily
godel's incompleteness theorem tells us that there are true statements for each formal system which can not be proven in any that consistent formal system
 
yeah, but that was done because we proved that some of our formal systems were consistent.
 
yet they are 'true'
@Puppy inside other formal systems
 
orlp: That's a statement about provability, and it's already a level down
 
user1804599
You can't prove anything since you can't prove your brain doesn't malfunction ;p
 
@HWalters the sad part about these discussions is that if you keep going up in levels you'll always end up at 'everything means nothing'
 
user1804599
7:45 PM
to prove your brain doesn't malfunction, you first have to prove your brain doesn't malfunction
 
by the way if you want to reply to someone
 
It's not meaningless... it's about where you apply abstractions to capture things correctly
 
either use that button on the right when hovering on a message -------->
or type @username
@HWalters when is an abstraction correct?
 
user1804599
When it conforms to its specification!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
@orlp Useful. All concepts are tools... and they refer to something.
And now we're just climbing more levels
 
7:47 PM
when your mind agrees with its scope -> but how do you know your mind is real? is your logic in your mind consistent? are you even seeing things are they are? what is the purpose of life? when does green apple more alligator?
 
nwp
we know we don't see things as they are, but what we see does tell us things about reality
 
Getting away from chasing rainbows... "the parallel postulate is true" isn't really meant to refer to the "truth" of an axiom... it's about its applicability of certain mathematical frameworks to physics
Euclidean geometry doesn't become false if this doesn't apply... our universe is simply discovered to be non-Euclidean. Nothing about any mathematical theory actually changes.
 
@HWalters Well... used to. It's an Euclidean geometry argument that we now know does not apply to spacetime.
oh ninja'd
but you're preaching to the choir here :)
 
Good... then I can take a shower before taking my friend to get tats :)
 
all of math is of the form "if A then B", and whether or not A is 'true' or applicable or even existing is irrelevant for the statement "if A then B" as a whole
@HWalters don't get tats :(
 
I've already got one majorly awesome one.
Not getting a new one this trip
 
I personally think tats are kinda ugly
they can be cool if they have a very significant meaning in some clever fashion
but sorry, 'mom' or some flower or skull does not do it for me
but hey, it's your body \o/
 
@StackedCrooked seen it yet?
 
@StackedCrooked I love how the creature on the left is trying really hard to look human.
 
7:55 PM
@orlp We agree there too
 
is this guy a cinch 2.0 or I'm too quick to judge?
@StackedCrooked liked it? it was kinda meh
 
@ScarletAmaranth it made me very sad
 
My tat's an optical illusion... it represents to me a merge of art and science... in brief
 
I mean it was kinda emotional.
 
7:56 PM
@StackedCrooked what did?
 
it was "the thing to be expected"
 
@orlp The final episode of Assassination Classroom.
 
oh
is that hentai?
 
ye
with tentacles
 
@orlp it's better than hentai
@ScarletAmaranth :D
 
7:57 PM
@StackedCrooked I was hoping they would find a fancy way for him to stay and teach or some such; but I guess it just ended "normally"
 
Yeah I hoped for that as well.
 
that said, it's refreshing to have like a 2 season anime
another one was boku dake ga inai machi of course
I am still stuck with the stupid one piece
 
Both seasons had nice ending songs too.
 
I've been trying to stop watching OP for quite a while now
but I always somehow find the 20 minutes each week
 
8:00 PM
the thing is, whenever there are fillers that are obvious (some I didn't even know were fillers, such as the G8 fortress), I get really bored
 
One of my favorite anime this season was Tanaka kun. So sad it ended.
 
I haven't seen it :(
I am really happy when an anime ends tho
OP has done this to me
it's infinite
 
I would welcome a new season of Hataraku maou sama
 
8:02 PM
and, of course, Shingeki no Kyojin (which is coming I think; eventually)
 
Ooh. There's two new episodes of Flying Witch today. (They didn't air last week.)
@ScarletAmaranth I think it'll air in summer. So basically now.
IIRC
Oh wait no.
They postponed it because they are doing Kabaneri.
Which is also very good btw.
 
haven't seen
I've just finished "recovering" from all the chaos related to university / being jobless for a while (whilst waiting for being accepted to a phd. program)
 
It's like a zombie apocalypse on meth.
 
I hate zombie "lore"
and the entire culture surrounding it
 
Well. So do I.
 
8:06 PM
but I will admit I did like Sankarea
 
lol
I loved that series.
I even have the Japanese manga at home.
But I can't read them :(
 
I liked it because it was completely absurd and arbitrary
it's one of those "why -> because why not" things
 
8:19 PM
Sicario very good movie
:thumbsup:
Inside Out nice animation movie
 
Ven
@ScarletAmaranth i only read a few of the mangas but it was fun
 
8:55 PM
top lol
 
> incompressible jizztrumpet
lol
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah. That's not widely appreciated in the comments. It's my fav too
 
9:30 PM
@StackedCrooked lol
 
I'm going to click this to see whether it really works ruinmysearchhistory.com
Seems it does work. i.imgur.com/b8xspV1.png Wot a concept
 
@sehe lol
 
Did you try it? That bombshell at the end :) Making a gif
 
user1804599
9:47 PM
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user1804599
knockback :)
 
user1804599
So easy.
 
Its never that easy
 
@orlp it is. It has been proven so. More: it has been proven that it will always be so.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hrm?
if you are referring to goedel, he proved it's either incomplete or inconsistent
not that it's inconsistent
 
9:58 PM
No.
 
then what are you referring to?
 
Wow epic 2v2 game, ingame clock read 44min when the game ended (not sure how many RL min that makes or maybe the clock is in RL minutes idk)
 
I might have phrased it wrong.
Basically a consistency proof is useless and only inconsistency proofs are meaningful.
 
Ok. Here's the gif i.imgur.com/TAeUgr4.mp4 (well, imgur makes it into nongif)
 
Anyway, at least the pound crashing is good for Trump.
Good night.
 
10:07 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good night.
 
@Borgleader epic 2v2 game of what
 
@sehe I did not
 
Well, now you don't need to anymore
 
@sehe lol
 
10:30 PM
the way birds breathe is pretty neat
 
@jaggedSpire you have pending pings on discohorde ;)
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Herring ice cream.
 
10:53 PM
@Bassie eww wtf
 
@Bassie wtf
 
11:16 PM
hmm
I just noticed that in Doom, a totally fucked way, you cannot save, but if you try to exit, it tells you that all unsaved progress will be lost.
 
inconsistent
 
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