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00:08
there, I went through my Pandora history and removed the upvote to Enya. Hopefully Enya-like music will now be less than 60% of my playlist :(
I can't immediately think of a purpose for boost::system_clock. The fact that it can go forwards or backwards without warning kinda makes it pointless IMO.
@DavidFrank hi
@MooingDuck: Perhaps if your application wants to show time for some reason?
if i start a bounty can i raise the bounty reward during the bounty time?
Or needs to make timestamps?
00:13
@Insilico Why not just get the local (or GMT) time directly then?
instead of a type who's only purpose is to be converted to a user-time, and then converting.
Maybe the timestamp has to be human readable
any idea?
The hell I know, I haven't used boost::system_time
@Insilico system_clock is not human-readable
@DavidFrank no idea
Never mind
00:14
too bad
@DavidFrank: Have you tried?
not yet
I would be surprised if you couldn't make your bounty worth more
i want to start off with 50
@DavidFrank or it might be possible to add a second bounty
00:15
if 50 is too low i might add 50 more
nah
a second one is not possible
thats for sure
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Q: Raise bounty later?

luvieereI've asked a question on SO and set a bounty of 50 rep. on it. Would it be possible to permit me to raise this bounty, if I see that it doesn't get enough attention?

thx
its a bit odd tho
Even if no answers come in, they take away 50p from me
.
@DavidFrank really? That doesn't sound right
I know, but its the rule
whats ur job?
@mo
@MooingDuck
@DavidFrank I program telephones to speak foreign languages
00:27
interesting
what kind of phones?
what kind of architecture?
@MooingDuck
@DavidFrank technically I program telephone servers that people plug phones into. So all phones
Oh, I was hoping you worked on those polycom things, because then I could tell you to remember to close the blasted vxworks debug port on them before shipping them out
is it always like stringint
?
2 messages moved to bin
@Beginnernato not only have you been told in the past to stop asking C questions many many times over, we told you twice today to stop that. Also, I GAVE YOU THE ANSWER ALMOST EIGHT HOURS AGO
00:30
Poor duck, besieged by silly questions.
@MooingDuck Sorry, I caught him. Want to delete your message? I could Bin it.
ma bad ... i'll leave
is this only a chat forum?
@DeadMG no, I readdressed. Still valid
like no expert questions?
00:30
I just learned today that the Sun produces less energy per volume than human beings consume per volume
Questions go to Stack Overflow.
Then why are there different chat topics?
depends on which room owners are around
C++ php etc.
@DavidFrank it's an open forum, so questions are fine, but he asks very simple questions over and over for an off topic language, and then pesters us for hours until we give him the answers
00:31
It's chat.
@DavidFrank Generally, the C++ programmers congregate in here
and we do tolerate C++ discussion, and we do on occassion offer C++ help
@DavidFrank: But we pretty much talk about anything here
There's nothing new or hard about the concept.
It's not a help desk though.
00:32
and apperently keeps pestering me hours after I gave him the answer
So its only for fun
yes
@DavidFrank basically. Random questions appear here too, but he abuses it
If you saw a bunch of CS professors talking about random stuff, you don't just walk up to them and ask about your homework.
00:32
especially if it's art homework
@Insilico every day
@MooingDuck for weeks
And follow them around.
Dead, can u answer whether my 50 bounty is taken even if i get no answers during the bounty period?
00:33
You lose the rep you invest in bounty the moment you create it.
You can't get it back.
@DavidFrank although right now it crashes for no explainable reason in code I don't think I touched.
@DavidFrank:
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Q: How does the bounty system work?

A. Rex What is a bounty? What is the "Featured" tab on the homepage? How can I search for questions that have a bounty attached? How do I start a bounty? When can I start a bounty? How long is the bounty period? How do I award a bounty? Can I award a bounty to my own answer? What happens if there's no ...

It's all explained there
> At the center of the Sun, theoretical models estimate it to be approximately 276.5 watts/m^3, a power production density that more nearly approximates reptile metabolism than a thermonuclear bomb. Peak power production in the Sun has been compared to the volumetric heats generated in an active compost heap.
It is so unfair
> The tremendous power output of the Sun is not due to its high power per volume, but instead due to its large size.
It can happen that I lose 50p and I dont even get an answer
00:36
@DavidFrank: Just make sure your question is answerable.
Lots of people asking questions on Stack Overflow think we can read minds or something
@DavidFrank It's not actually that unfair.
for a start, 50 reputation is a very low amount in general
and secondly, if you could offer bounties but not lose the rep, you could offer more bounties than you actually have rep
A lot of questions get unanswered because we can't actually answer them.
taking the rep away immediately means that the system guarantees you never "default" on your rep bill
Its OK, that i lose the bounty
But if no answers come in, it should be refounded to me
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Q: Windows 7 php + symfony2 terribly slow

David FrankThis is an issue I've been having for a long time. I want to run php applications on my windows computer and it has a terrebly high load time, around 10-25 seconds. I have tried many things: First I tried a simple XAMPP installation I read WAMP might be faster, so I tried WAMP, too. It gave me ...

00:38
@DavidFrank You can make a feature request on Meta Stack Overflow
@DavidFrank there's an answer :(
yeah, but it didnt help
im still stucked
@DavidFrank Sounds reasonable. Ask meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/ask and tag it with
yeah, if you read the comments, he did genuinely try to implement the suggestions given
of course, it's hard, although far from impossible, to answer that kind of question
@DeadMG it's highly likely with that sort of question that the cause is not in the question, but it take a guru to figure out what exactly
00:41
@DeadMG whats ur job?
oh well, I'm off
bb @MooingDuck
@DavidFrank I'm a student in my third year of my CS course.
why?
just asking, curiousity
and where?
Hell
00:42
haha
which city, which uni?
I'm not gonna give that information out
country?
00:43
We won't judge you.
I'm in the UK
I dont know how we could abuse that info
oxford, cambridge?
nor do I, but I don't plan on finding out the hard way, and I'm not the social type
ok
and ur learning more kind of engineering stuff or algorithmical/mathematical stuff?
@DavidFrank: I presume algorithmical stuff
00:45
at my uni the CS department is actually based on maths
Since he has expressed disdain for mathmatical notation
pffft
my university's definition of "teach" is "regurgitate formal definition; apply said by hand"
it's pathetic and pointless
my phone could do their examinations
and, no shame about it, better than I can
@DavidFrank Not surprising, university-level CS is mostly theory, and theoretical CS is applied maths.
im an IT student
I'm not actually in a CS program so I wouldn't know about the status of university-level CS classes
00:47
but i learn algorithmical and engineering things too
well
I need to get a CS degree to get a job
but this place is so incredibly awful, it's amazing that I haven't burned it down and called it an improvement yet
@DeadMG: Ouch.
why dont u quit?
You know, the thing I like the most about my university is the fact that the beer is cheap (both there and around it).
1 min ago, by DeadMG
I need to get a CS degree to get a job
00:48
But I don't think you could consider a university to be "nice" in itself (or at least the courses).
@EtiennedeMartel: It's a university. Of course beer will be cheap
Students are notoriously borderline broke
well, I've spoken to a few people on similar courses at other universities, and theirs are significantly better
but you could attend another uni
heh, not likely
@DavidFrank: That's a pain in the ass
00:49
that would cost way more money than I have
why not?
k
my government won't pay for me to retake at another university, and the fees are vastly too much for me and my family to afford
No scholarships? Surely you seem to be the type that could get some easily
there is this bsc-msc thing
those are all means tested
00:50
u must be in bsc
the UK government operates under the assumption that if your parents are not living on the bread line, that they will pay for it
you can't get one on the basis that, say, your parents have three children and a mortgage
@DeadMG Same thing in Quebec. Our govt actually assumes you can live with 7$ a day.
There aren't any needs-based scholarships around?
over here
the government gives you a loan to live on, and it's less than the rent
and I live in a cheap place to live
That's the government for you.
00:52
well
if you ask me, it's no wonder that our economy is going down the shitter
but that's just my opinion
man
u live in the UK
the important thing is that I don't have any choice
in my country ppl would love to live in a country like the uk
@DavidFrank: Which country would that be?
ironically
00:53
and i too am planning on moving to the uk after graduating
hungary
Ah okay
over here, we have a serious problem with immigrants
they all migrated here in like, 2006, illegally
and now they want to get home because the conditions here are so bad
@DeadMG: So does the US, apparently
00:54
but they can't get deported because they don't have the right documentation
Although no one here can agree on what to do with them
There's almost nothing that anybody in the U.S. agrees on
ofc, i want to move there legally
so we have a bunch of eastern european migrants who are desperate to get deported and can't
Again, that's the government for you
generally speaking, the more developed your economy was, the more damage you took
less developed economies like Brazil hardly even noticed the economic crisis
00:55
with high level of education im hoping ill get a high payed job legally
@DavidFrank I hate to break it to you, but you can't.
haha why not?
because every graduate in the UK is in the same situation
@DavidFrank: Think bank CEOs
our youth unemployment is absolutely through the roof
unless you're in a specific sector which is in demand, which I would well advise you to find out for sure beforehand, you won't get a job as a graduate here
our graduates live with their parents and work at minimum wage in a supermarket
00:56
i was in london several times
@DeadMG: Isn't being unemployed not considered a bad thing in the UK, generally speaking?
i rarely saw british ppl
@Insilico No.
Here in the U.S. being unemployed is one of the worse things to be
all i saw was indians, east europeans, asians, afro-americans etc.
00:57
Unemployment rates are a big deal
i guess not only in the us
well, it's probably not as bad to actually be unemployed as in the US, where you practically have to resort to cannibalism to get by when you're unemployed
being unemployed is the worst thing in all the countries
but the fundamental problem is the same- mass unemployment, especially of the young
That's what I meant
Here in the U.S. there's very little unemployment benefits
00:58
But
and being unemployed is well-known to be a really, really bad thing
I think the reason for high unemployment is the lack of education the youth have
@Insilico I'm not gonna say it isn't better over here, cause it probably is. But our unemployment benefits can't even cover travel costs to get to interviews.
@DavidFrank: Of course, education is too damn expensive nowadays
@DavidFrank Nope. I'm talking about unemployment of the graduates.
00:59
I have a general question, what's the best way to implement an admin class which has the capability CRUD capabilities on an Item class?
not unemployment of the dropped-out-of-school-at-14s
the graduates

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