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4:07 AM
Quick question:
will this leak memory if the first second allocation fails:
int *x = new int;
int *y = new int;
delete x;
delete y;
 
"first second allocation"?
 
In other words, the second allocation fails, throws bad_alloc
does the first allocation leak?
 
Yeah
 
yes
 
Use RAII to deal with it
 
4:09 AM
thx... I had a bad feeling about that.
 
unique_ptr<int> x(new int);
unique_ptr<int> y(new int);
There, it won't leak if any of those allocations fail
If you don't have a unique_ptr somewhere you can hack together an RAII class quickly
 
I'm converting some C code to C++.
Basically, the C code has a bunch of allocations together. Then the code checks all of them for NULL.
So I can't just replace them new since it could throw in the middle of the allocations.
 
So use RAII like unique_ptr so you won't have to worry about it.
Or scope guard or something like that
Just make sure you don't do something like
void foo(unique_ptr<int>(new int), unique_ptr<int>(new int));
Since the order of execution could cause the above to still leak memory
 
@Insilico How does that work?
*Smart Pointers: one of the important things on my C++ to-learn list.
 
Because the compiler may choose to evaluate each new int expression first, then invoke the constructor for the two unique_ints.
 
4:21 AM
ah, I get it - damn, that's tricky...
 
why cant memory leaks be automatically prevented without having to write code?
 
@Mysticial: Actually here's a better link: herbsutter.com/gotw/_102
 
Because halting problem.
 
Just make sure you put each allocation on a separate line
And you'll be fine.
 
@Insilico The proper alternative is to have a make_unique utility.
 
4:23 AM
@LucDanton: Unfortunately I haven't seen a make_unique anywhere in the new C++ standard
 
@FrankComputer That's one of the powers that C and C++ gives you. The power to do anything and everything - including the power to stab yourself in the stomach and shoot a bullet through your head.
 
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Q: make_unique and perfect forwarding

FredOverflowWhy is there no std::make_unique function template in the standard C++11 library? I find std::unique_ptr<SomeUserDefinedType> p = new SomeUserDefinedType(1, 2, 3); a bit verbose. Wouldn't the following be much nicer? auto p = std::make_unique<SomeUserDefinedType>(1, 2, 3); This ...

 
I would've thought there's a way to dynamically prevent unwanted memory leaks?
 
@FrankComputer: Well, computers can do only what we tell them to do
Even in memory managed languages you can get memory leaks
 
perhaps a compiler configuration parameter could be set to supress memory leaks?
 
4:27 AM
@FrankComputer: It really isn't that simple
 
but doable?
 
It would come along the "Do what I want, not what I say" switch.
 
347
Q: Creating a memory leak with Java

Mat BanikI just had an interview, and I was asked to create a memory leak with Java. Needless to say I felt pretty dumb having no clue on how to even start creating one. What would an example be?

 
I've seen some C++ code generators prevent memory leaks
 
@FrankComputer: In the general case?
 
4:28 AM
@Insilico Yes, it takes 347 votes to create a memory leak in Java. :-P
 
Cog in Python
AllJoyn
 
@FrankComputer: That doesn't seem to be something I can use in the general case
That's a tool for a very specific purpose
Of course it'll prevent memory leaks because it's application-specific
 
There's a bunch of C++ code generators out there, for just about every type of purpose
 
@FrankComputer: You act as though it's impossible for humans to create memory-leak-free C++ code
Or for other languages to leak memory (I can assure you they do)
 
not impossible, but can be automatically minimized
 
4:33 AM
Sure
std::shared_ptr
std::unique_ptr
RAII
There, C++ memory leaks automatically minimized or eliminated
std::string
 
lol :)
 
std::vector
It's not like these classes are impossible to use correctly
 
Does anyone here have Microsoft C compiler, Version 6 experience?
 
Yes. It's terrible
Upgrade to the latest compiler
And don't bother with C with Microsoft compilers
Microsoft Visual C++ compilers will compile C, but they are not as standards-compliant with C as they are with C++
 
did I say I still use it?.. thats the first C experience I had more than 20 years ago
 
4:37 AM
Sorry, out of habit :-)
 
I develop INFORMIX-SQL based apps and ocasionally use calls to cfuncs or ESQL/C
what is your other than C++ programming language of choice?
 
Not sure
I don't "rank" programming languages
I use the one that helps me get the job done
So for client-side web pages Javascript is pretty much the only choice
or Actionscript if I'm willing to use Flash
Python is also good if I feel like I can get it done faster in it
or if the scripting language used is Python
(e.g. Blender 3D)
 
user457812
Everyone knows you should use Lisp for web pages
 
@nil: Of course, my next project involving web pages will be in Lisp instead of Javascript
 
4:52 AM
How about for desktop-only apps?
 
@FrankComputer: I almost exclusively use C++ for that
 
user457812
No, I meant the HTML should be replaced with Lisp too.
 
user457812
Because Lisp is of course the universal language
 
user457812
LISP IS THE GODLANGUAGE.
 
@nil: The HTML too. And the CSS
LISP ALL THE WEBCODES
 
user457812
4:53 AM
Of course, I forgot the CSS. Images too. Images can be expressed in Lisp way better than anything else.
 
or HTML5?
 
@Nil: YES. I will Base64 encode all the images into a Lisp list
 
user457812
gotta get the car of the cdr dawg
 
CAR --> first Base64 byte of the image
CDR --> the rest
 
user457812
You're thinking too hard
 
user457812
4:56 AM
Just use lisp and it will all make sense and you'll grow a beard and eat toe skin and know it's the right thing to do
 
mayb you should sleep on it and get some rest :)
 
Evening all
 
Hi @chacha102
 
buenas noches!
 
@Insilico You were very close...
Ok ... so this may sound a little pathetic. But I really just wanted to find a chat room to make a interesting discovery
So, here it goes...
I really don't understand how my 'Sent' emails can be marked as 'Unread'....
I don't understand that logic...
 
4:59 AM
Well, lots of people send emails that should've been read again. So it's as though they're not read :-)
 
@Chacha102 cuz unless you read them, they're unread
 
@FrankComputer But by definition, I wrote them..
thus had to have read them..
 
@Chacha102: Again, some people don't read the crap they write
How else do you explain Youtube comments?
 
but technically, you havent reviewed them, therefore they're unread!.. which email are you using?
 
Gmail
 
5:01 AM
you said it yourself, you WROTE them, but havent READ them
perhaps you can tell setup to automaticaly mark them as read?.. its not an issue to drown in a glass of water over :)
@Chacha102 .. so why do you hate flash?
 
@FrankComputer You say that because?
 
I read it in your resume
 
Ah... you're reading about me...
I just don't like using it
Too proprietary...
Annoying to edit
 
yes, wish my dad was a programmer lie yours, although i started programming in 1972 when i was 12 years old
like
 
Yeah, its a great experience
 
5:13 AM
i've developed a bad habit of using spanish naming conventions in programming, but perhaps its a blessing in disguise, so as to obfuscate my code
 
Really? what has ever made you think that obfuscated code is a good thing?
 
in this day and age, its not a bad idea, the only other person who can understand my code is my son!
keeps it in da family :)
 
Do you work for a company?
 
nope, I have 82 out of 220 pawnshops in Puerto Rico using my management app
 
Fun
 
5:18 AM
yeah, its been 22 years since i developed the original app, some are still running it on MS-DOS 6.22, others on Win and Linux.
I would like to modernize the app to a touch-screen POS and currently exploring some POS SDK's like Microsoft Dynamics.
anyone here make use of VM's?
 
Not much, why?
 
its great for encapsulating test/production environments and deployments
 
That's true
Right now I'm going through the process of auditing through my computers and the settings attached to all of the programs
 
I have my app running in DOS 6.22, Win7 and SuSE Linux VM's
just think, you can have hundreds of different machines in one box, each with its own type of OS
VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC
 
5:34 AM
ok
I need to go and buy 9999999kg of sugar and fat
but I also need to not purchase it and sleep instead
if only I could understand my addiction to fatty, high-carbohydrate foods
 
It's a shame we can't script ourselves. Damn consciousness and lack of willpower.
 
@DeadMG evreyone's body adapts to what one adapts it to, then it becomes hard to deprogram the adapted body!..
@StackedCrooked ..I dont like Pyhton and also dont like C++, I like 4GL's
 
6:09 AM
@FrankComputer what is a 4GL
 
@StackedCrooked And people who hate Java and PHP
 
@CheersandhthAlf It's a marketing term :)
 
@CheersandhthAlf SQL is a 4GL.
 
@DeadMG Yeah, esp lot's of Java hate compared to C#.
 
but there are pretty much no well-known general-purpose 4GLs
5GL is stuff like PROLOG
 
6:12 AM
Hello
I am moving from Java to Objective-C/C++ and I wonder if someone could explain why the separation of code is present? One header file and one main/cpp file.
 
user457812
Are you hoping for an answer that relates it to Java?
 
Objective-C or C++? pick one
 
@Viper Don't make us depressed so early in the morning..
 
user457812
Or Objective-C++
 
@DeadMG i used prolog in '86
that means by now we should have some 6GLs at the very least?
 
6:15 AM
@CheersandhthAlf Nah, people realized that 4GL and 5GL kinda sucked hard.
 
7GL is where it's at.
 
user457812
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Q: In C++ why have header files and cpp files?

CluelessI often wondered: why does C++ have header files and cpp files?

 
user457812
@Viper That came up while searching on SO. Might help you.
 
@Viper I'm sorry, bitch, was my express service not fast enough for you?
I'm totally sorry that I didn't stop what I was doing to answer your query immediately, sir
let me give you a fucking refund
 
user457812
6:21 AM
@DeadMG Ok, that seems a bit over the top
 
no, I'm sick of people treating this place like on-demand help desk
I am not a code slave, and I will not be treated like one
 
user457812
I can appreciate that (having just seen something very interesting happen in the Javascript room), but still, I don't think he means anything bad by it.
 
user457812
He clearly just hasn't figured out how google works yet
 
user457812
Whereas the guy who just told me he's going to jam a stick up my ass sideways probably did mean something bad.
 
user457812
Ok, @DeadMG, now it's open season on him.
 
6:23 AM
whew
3 messages moved to bin
 
jeez ppl, lets respect each other
 
Thank goodness for the bin
 
too much sugar in the body is not good for anyone!
 
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Q: What is the biggest number that could fit into 2 gb of RAM dedicated to storing that number?

Cunt StainSo not taking into account the storage to hold the program, just the number itself. I understand that it depends on character encoding - i.e. if 1 digit takes up 8 bits, or 16 bits, or such. But it does not have to be stored this way, does it? What if say i was going to pack 1 the numbers into le...

 
Presumably 2GB == 2147483648 bytes
 
6:30 AM
why waste time on these non-C++ related questions?
 
And each byte == 8 bits
so the biggest number is 2^(17179869184)-1
@FrankComputer: Presumably it's a homework question
 
the biggest number that could fit into what kind of datatype?
 
covering basic computer fundamentals
@FrankComputer: A 2 GB datatype
 
would have to be a TEXT datatype or a TEXT file..
 
Apparently such a datatype, if it exists, can hold 5171655946 decimal digits
 
6:33 AM
or a BLOB?
 
@FrankComputer: It would be more efficient as a big giant unsigned int
that happens to take up 2 GB
 
no such animal, but you can calculate pi to infinity and see how much your computer can hold in a file, it would be machine, OS or storage-dependent
 
@FrankComputer: What do you mean "no such animal"?
I can sure as hell have a 2 GB unsigned integer if I really want it
 
largest INT is INT64
 
Of course it's not going to be a built-in native datatype
I can always emulate a 2 GB unsigned integer
 
6:37 AM
unless you use a user-defined datatype, but its easier to store the digits in a file as alphanumeric characters
 
@FrankComputer: The question was "What is the biggest number that could fit into 2 gb of RAM dedicated to storing that number?"
And the answer has to be 2^(17179869184)-1
 
You just define the bit sequence 00101101 to be the number that you want to store, and you can store a number of any magnitude in just 1 byte.
 
Of course that's assuming you want to be able to represent all other integers between 0 and 2^(17179869184)-1, inclusive, which is almost always what you want
 
it all depends on how each machine handles its memory management, there is more overhead than just -1
 
@FrankComputer That stuff isn't included
 
6:41 AM
@FrankComputer: The question was only asking for what is the biggest number you could store in 2GB of space
It doesn't ask for how to store said number or what format it has to be.
 
i'm sure that if you tried it, the result would be different, depending on which machine and OS you are using!
 
@FrankComputer: No, it doesn't. The theoretical upper bound is fixed
 
memory management dictates how much overhead ther is in storing and retrieving from 2GB of RAM
 
A 2 GB unsigned integer would have 5171655946 decimal digits
@FrankComputer: For fuck's sake, we don't care how the integer is being stored
The question is asking for what is the biggest number, the upper bound that can fit in 2GB of space
 
theoretical is not fact, inconclusive
 
6:44 AM
Those were interesting flags
 
Okay. What is the biggest number that an 8-bit unsigned integer can hold
2^8-1 = 255
16 bits: 2^16-1 = 65535
 
64 bits?
 
2^64-1
Whatever number that is.
18,446,744,073,709,551,615
 
so if a machine is 32 or 64 bit, doesnt that dictate anything?
 
no
that only dictates the largest size it can hold in a general-purpose register, generally speaking
not the amount it can hold in RAM
 
6:47 AM
there are addressing limits
 
The question "What is the biggest number that could fit into 2 gb of RAM dedicated to storing that number?" is equivalent to "What is the biggest number that a a 17179869184-bit unsigned integer can hold?"
 
not really
memory-mapped I/O, for example, can allow you to access a virtually unlimited amount of memory
 
@DeadMG: Correct, but the question presumably asks for only 2 GB of space
 
i bet that if you experiment on different machines, you'll get different results
 
@Insilico Indeed.
@FrankComputer Not really. Compile for x64 and you can easily access 2GB of RAM in a user-mode process in a single allocation.
 
6:49 AM
In what universe do we have to live in for one machine's 2 GB of RAM and another machine's 2 GB of RAM to not be the same amount of space?
 
try it and let me know!
 
@In silico Have you tried to malloc() two GB?
 
For crying out loud we don't give a shit about how the integer is being stored nor its specific implementation details
 
theoretical
 
The question is not asking "How would you store a 2 GB integer"
The question is asking "What's the biggest integer you can put in 2 GB of space"
 
6:51 AM
oh, now you're changing the question.. we're drowning in a glass of water
 
When did I change the question?
I was referring to this question:
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Q: What is the biggest number that could fit into 2 gb of RAM dedicated to storing that number?

Cunt StainSo not taking into account the storage to hold the program, just the number itself. I understand that it depends on character encoding - i.e. if 1 digit takes up 8 bits, or 16 bits, or such. But it does not have to be stored this way, does it? What if say i was going to pack 1 the numbers into le...

 
whatever, next topic
 
@Insilico 2^17179869184-1, roughly 10^(10^9.713629624921035)
 
@sehe: Right, I already calculated that. :-) It's a big-ass number.
About 5,171,655,946 decimal digits.
 
sounds like pi
 
6:54 AM
Actually it's only about half of all the pi digits calculated so far
No it's even less
 
what if there's memory compression?
 
@FrankComputer Doesn't exist. No entropy, no compression
 
It's about 10 trillion digits apparently
So 2 GB is not even close to storing all the digits
 
or qubits like in quantum memory?
think outside the box, there can be infinite values between 0 and 1
 
That's the fun part of theoretical limits. It is really about facts and hard figures. Not some depending on the actual data. I mean, in the case of Pi I could devise a compression scheme that compressed the exact number 'Pi' into a single quadword (just storing the number of signifcant digits, because the actual digits can be generated by an algorithm). Weehoo: optimum compression.
 
6:57 AM
Yes, but can you store all those values between 0 and 1?
 
@Insilico Sure.
"Every value between 0 and 1".
 
@Insilico: Seems python has a bug: it silently dies
 
there you go
 
time python <<< 'print 2**17179869184-1' | wc -c
0

real	3m25.655s
user	3m1.610s
sys	0m23.500s
Zero bytes emitted. Granted, it did try for 3 minutes and 25 seconds
 
so far we've built quantum computers with 22 qubits
 
6:58 AM
@sehe: 2^17179869184-1 is really a big-ass number
Like, "human minds can't comprehend how big the number is" big
 
you got an overflow
 
@Insilico I was aware of that. I was just going to find out how scalable pythons bigint library is. :)
 
Wonder what it would look like in something like Knuth's arrow notation
 
@FrankComputer No, I got an OOM kill. Python doesn't overflow
 
In mathematics, Knuth's up-arrow notation is a method of notation for very large integers, introduced by Donald Knuth in 1976. It is closely related to the Ackermann function and especially to the hyperoperation sequence. The idea is based on the fact that multiplication can be viewed as iterated addition and exponentiation as iterated multiplication. Continuing in this manner leads to iterated exponentiation (tetration) and to the remainder of the hyperoperation sequence, which is commonly denoted using Knuth arrow notation. Introduction The ordinary arithmetical operations of addition, ...
 
7:00 AM
try doing it in APL
 
@sehe: Apparently it's not that scalable. :-)
We're talking a number with 5,171,655,946 decimal digits.
That's ~5 GB worth of decimal digits (assuming each digit == 1 ASCII byte)
 
APL (named after the book A Programming Language) is an interactive array-oriented language and integrated development environment, which is available from a number of commercial and noncommercial vendors and for most computer platforms. It is based on a mathematical notation developed by Kenneth E. Iverson and associates that features special attributes for the design and specifications of digital computing systems, both computer hardware and software. APL has a combination of unique and relatively uncommon features that appeal to programmers and make it a productive programming langua...
 
@Insilico Nah, it would have needed to either stream the output from the start (I'm not sure that it is possible, really) or shard the operation out across several disks, sufficiently large.
 
Or half as much when using Binary Coded Decimal
 
@Insilico I'm sure @Mysticial would know how to do that.
 
7:02 AM
Does Mysticial do very-big-number arithmetic?
 
@Insilico I think it is safe to assume that python uses something more efficient than BCD for large numbers
 
@sehe: True, but it's still going to be a few gigabytes to deal with the number
 
@Insilico In a way: he does disk based calculation of Pi to millions and trillions of Digits.
See y-cruncher, which apparently broke several records in Pi calculation, both for Desktop and supercomputing
y-cruncher is Mysticial's
 
Is there are spigot algorithm for exponentiation?
 
7:17 AM
@FrankComputer That's the one
@Insilico Hah! Cutting the output step out of the python program, I could get it to only just run to completion on my 8Gb box. It nearly ran out of memory
sehe@natty:~$ time python <<< 'print 0 < 2**17179869184'
True

real	3m29.227s
user	3m5.120s
sys	0m24.040s
Here's a plot of the free memory during the runtime of the script (x axis is runtime in seconds).
 
Oh wow
 
@sehe What did I miss?
 
Note very useful, but now we know that you need around 8Gb of RAM for that to work in Python. But don't think about serializing it :)
@Mysticial Not much. Some wankery about largest representable numbers in 2Gb (scan up)
@Mysticial I got sidetracked and wanted to see whether Python 2.7 would choke on it on my box
It did, unless I made the test completely useless, see graph
 
I think Python's bignum is just GMP.
 
@Mysticial I didn't know about that. I just tried :0
 
7:27 AM
From what I've heard, GMP will choke if go more than like 40 billion digits - not like anyone's gonna have that much ram though...
So 5 billion is fine - if you have enough ram.
 
@Mysticial Q.E.D.
 
only another 99999999 lines of code to go
 
IIRC, I tested GMP up to 5 and 10 billion digits. 10 billion needed more than the 64GB I had, so it bailed...
 
@Mysticial: What's the spec on the machine(s) you're using for this number crunching business?
 
@Insilico I have a bunch of these machines - collected over the past 5 years.
 
7:34 AM
So do you have them arranged according to their age? :-)
"Exhibit A: The evolution of computers"
 
My oldest one is a 2.8 GHz Pentium D with 3GB ram. That one is pretty much retired now. But a good chunk of the original y-cruncher code was written and tested on it.
My main dev/gaming machine right now is a Core i7 920 @ 3.5 GHz with 12 GB ram.
 
What happens if you have to shut them down?
Or when you have a massive power failure?
 
During a computation?
 
Yeah
 
It's happens a few times. In the older days, yeah, you start over. Now the program has checkpointing. So it just rolls back to the last save point.
Pain the ass to implement though...
 
7:39 AM
How often do you checkpoint the computation?
 
It depends on the algorithm. I inserted checkpoints wherever it was easiest. So the times between the checkpoints are irregular.
Which isn't best though - as some parts of a computation are large and have no checkpoints.
 
Do you have uninterruptible power supplies of any kind?
 
@Insilico Yeah, I have 3 of them powering 5 machines.
 
In the event of a power failure, can you manually do a graceful "pause-turn off-continue" sort of thing?
 
Nope...
You can probably hibernate it.
 
7:43 AM
While it's running?
 
Although I never got hibernate to work with more than like 30 GB of ram usage.
 
@Mysticial Probably never tested for that amount of RAM :)
@Mysticial also, hibernating that amount might take a long time exhausting the UPS?
 
@sehe lol. Fortunately, I don't run large computations anymore. They last a week at most - and they're usually just large unit-tests.
 
Hello, sorry to disturb the trail, i wondered whether anyone did any 1-to-1 MVC paid tuition online, please advise. Thanks
 
@user1091114 Sure, there will be ripoffs. Also. MVC, you mean Microsoft Visual C? Or SmallTalk Model-View-Controller?
 
7:45 AM
@sehe That was the other concern. Hibernating 64GB of ram will take > 10 min. But the UPS won't last that long - definitely not with that machine on it.
 
@Mysticial My point indeed.
 
MVC(model view controller) application within Visual Studio using c
 
Yeah, I never bothered to try it anyways. Even with the power, attempting hibernate meant hard-shutdown
 
@Mysticial I have a UPS and it mails me, but the last two times around I have been too late in responding to get a proper shutdown. I do have my mini-server (mail+web) on auto-shutdown though
 
@sehe MVC(model view controller) application within Visual Studio using c
 
7:47 AM
@user1091114 I'm pretty sure you don't know what you are taking about.
@user1091114 Twice
 
@sehe I'm pretty sure I don't know what @user1091114 is talking about :)
 
@user1091114 Let me take a wild guess and fill-in 'C#' for you
 
@sehe yes, sorry...
 
@user1091114 see --> Newbie hints
@user1091114 meanwhile enjoy http://www.asp.net/mvc/tutorials and don't get ripped off. If you're gonna pay, just pay for having your website built for you, or buy a good book on MVC.
Of course, there is always the option of finding school/college but your mileage may vary and they're not interested in building your site
 
@sehe Yeah, I've learned to never trust the hardware... especially when you start factoring things like soft-errors, hard drive failures.
 
7:50 AM
Ever had bit flips in non-ECC RAM? I always wonder what the odds are
(my interest comes from developing on zfs-fuse)
 
Basically, it takes defensive programming to a completely new level.
@sehe Yep. :)
 
@Mysticial How'd you find out? ECC RAM or by doing the verification?
 
If you think those are bad... you should see how unreliable SATA cables are...
@sehe Yeah, there's a lot of self-verification in the code. Minimizing the overhead is tricky.
 
@Mysticial Ow. That's craziness. Not on server-grade hardware, no? Best practice cable routing? Stable PSU?
So, ECC RAM did not save your butt or did you not have it?
 
@sehe Every single one of my machines where I've taxed the I/O has had at least 2 or 3 SATA errors. Most of them show up as silent corruptions, but they still register in the S.M.A.R.T. chips.
 
7:54 AM
@Mysticial Aha. So I'm not completely paranoid for running ZFS (end-to-end checksumming). Of course, you wouldn't want that for number crunching
 
Hard drive CRC errors are also common, but those are easy catch since fread (or whatever API I'm using) just returns an error.
 
Oh wait, maybe you do [want ZFS]. Just add mirrors and use fletcher as the checksum - it is pretty darn fast.
 
SATA cables are pushing several GBit/s through it
 
And then there's the issue of actually trying to test fault-tolerance.
 
I would expect signalling errors. :-)
 
7:56 AM
which is where overclocking comes in...
 
@Insilico Prolly with servergrade SCSI cabling, perhaps SAS. I'm getting the hunch that the industry is leaning towards software reliability solutions on commodity hardware, though
@Mysticial Ah. You overclocked in order to get spurious faults?
 
@sehe Well. I overclock cause I'm an enthusiast. But it ended up being useful for testing these things. :-P
 
I must admit I never overclocked my builds. I'm a wuss. My MoBo + CPU apparently are great for overclocking, but I never felt it worth the 'risk'
@Mysticial To get spurious errors, signal corruption, undervolting might be the most 'reliable' (hehe) approach
Overclocking over the limits would soon result in hard failures (as in freezes/lockups), I guess
 
@sehe Yeah, it takes some balls to put 1.5 volts into a $300 processor...
 
Anyways, I need to get going. I have a job :)
 
7:59 AM
I've degraded my 2600K a bit over the past year running it at 4.6 GHz. So I've had to drop it to 4.4... :(
 

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