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5:00 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, Photo and Photo Booth sucks
Even though I think that you can open Photo Booth, drag the image you need and drop it anywhere and then it becomes a regular file which you can upload
 
Ven
now that's annoying
 
@Shoe yeah I always forget about that
@Shoe I like how you assume everybody is you here. This is a classic bartek.
Where's @Pup
 
5:28 PM
@Ven I think that this thing is a very nice idea, but on the other hand people in the room usually use very simple words
(typed using the thing :D)
 
Ven
no online version "yet"?
that'd be a cool, fun little project
Lol, the medium page just sent itself in a redirection look for 15seconds before understanding what was happening and redirected correctly.. wtf?
 
@Ven redirection look lol
that sounds painful
 
@Ven "I want to show you the world.... wide web"
- Aladdin 2016
 
also the comment section under this video is so ridiculous
exactly what you'd expect, a lot of butthurt vegans saying "I'm vegan and..."
 
5:40 PM
I tried to do some crunch exercises. My body was never designed for that ç_____ç
 
@Morwenn what are crunch exercises?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes, that.
 
@Morwenn Setting aside your body wasn't designed in the first place (unless you are a religious nutjob in which case your opinion is shit and go show yourself out), it's perfectly capable of doing that.
Now how many and how fast depends on your muscle strength which will obviously vary
 
Couldn't go past 25 -___-
 
@Morwenn you're not supposed to do "as many as I can at once"
 
5:45 PM
I know.
 
start with 3x12 or something
 
But it felt really tiring past 5. I haven't exercised for years.
 
@Morwenn this exercise IME shows progress really fast though
I doubled my starting amount in 4 weeks
Of course there are extremes like Weider's 6 but that's hardcore
 
I can do a few push-ups without a problem for some reason.
 
it's perfectly normal to have assymetric strength in muscles
 
5:47 PM
morning
 
When I was riding my bike a lot my tricepses were stronger than my bicepses I think
 
Considering how much I do nothing that involves muscles, I shouldn't have any left.
 
@Morwenn Define a few
inb4 #define A_FEW
 
@Morwenn well you always gonna use them in some way vOv
just start very slowly now
remember the 2nd training is always harder that the 1st :)
 
@Borgleader Like 10 without a problem? I don't know; I never planned to gain muscle in the arms so I never tried to do more.
 
5:48 PM
Also if you're really serious about that then get some creatine
 
Lol, no.
 
my eyes are probably closed but...
char result;
bool ok = std::cin >> result;
why would that not compile T_T
 
@Morwenn it's perfectly safe vOv
 
I just have some digestion problems apparently partly due to not moving my ass all day.
 
is that euphemism for "fat"
 
5:49 PM
it should autocast, no?
 
@AwalGarg safe bool (most probably)
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm far from fat. Like, really really far from fat.
 
Incidentally I just got back from lollerskating
@Puppy gaemz
 
@BartekBanachewicz argh fuck. thanks, that was it.
 
six minutes
 
5:51 PM
I'm 55kg for 164cm. It would take some serious effort to get fat.
 
da hell does this unto thing mean anyways?
(the pinned message)
 
@Morwenn well according to BMI you're even slimmer than me
OTOH I was actively trying to gain weight for some time
now I'm not eating properly though :/
 
Me neither.
 
@Morwenn but yeah get your ass moving. sitting in front of a PC the whole day isn't good for you
 
5:54 PM
I know that. But I never liked to exercise.
 
> The top earners among the current taxpayers were already at the top of the socioeconomic ladder six centuries ago – they were lawyers or members of the wool, silk, and shoemaker guilds; their earnings and wealth were always above the median.
 
And I get exercise-induced asthma, which doesn't really motivate me to exercise.
 
@Morwenn this isn't asthma, this is just your cardiovascular+breathing system being weak
It only really happens for a while, give it a few weeks and it'll disappear completely
 
Well, that's still called « asthme » in France.
 
5:58 PM
@BartekBanachewicz yeah
 
I've had it for years everytime I was doing sports (and I played badminton several days a week at some point).
 
@Morwenn just take it easy. Don't try to do everything at one day, make a plan and stick to it
BBL
 
And I do have allergic asthma too.
 
6:05 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Mtl is done with horseshit :P
 
Ven
very literal
 
@Ven It's literal. "Very" muddles rather than clarifies.
 
Ven
No, I like to clarify, since one of "literal"'s meanings is "figuratively".
 
How China became capitalist: imgur.com/lCSzAI7
 
6:19 PM
@Ven But as already stated, it doesn't clarify; it muddles. The "very" does nothing to prevent misinterpretation of "literal" as "figurative" (if anything, rather the opposite: "literal" is basically a single point at one end of the spectrum, where "figurative" is basically the entire rest of that spectrum, so attempting to apply a degree implies that you're dealing with the spectrum rather than the single point that is "literal").
 
Everybody knows that the meaning of « literal » can be user-defined since C++11.
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Ven
@JerryCoffin it doesn't matter. the whole sentence is sarcasm
@Morwenn okay, take this one (but fix your typo)
 
6:31 PM
struct is_this_legal_C
{
    typedef int X;
};
error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘typedef’
interesting
Andrei is quite the entertainer in this one.
 
Oh. I thought that patience sort was pretty but it's actually always faster than libstdc++'s std::sort in my benchmarks. Interesting.
 
sbi
@Morwenn Same in German, I think.
Good evening.
 
Good evening :)
 
sbi
BTW, last night here seemed to give me an impression of this, @Morwenn.
What is it that is killing this room?
 
Parallel chats and... other things I guess?
 
sbi
6:45 PM
Ah, those parallel universes some of the regulars disappeared into.
 
People living for discord
 
nwp
@sbi almost everyone hates C++
 
Like Cat, cacadi, alex, ell, tony, scott
 
Ven
cacadi is banned. it's different. @Ell is here often enough
 
sbi
@nwp So? In the early days, you'd be chided for bringing up C++ in this room.
@Ven While he's been around here for a rather long time, I remember whole months passing by without seeing him here.
@Shoe Ah.
 
nwp
6:47 PM
weird, I don't get why talking about C++ in a C++ chatroom is so discouraged
 
sbi
What''s the latest fad in chat software to run after?
 
nwp
I'll go with discord then
 
@sbi Discord.
 
Ven
@sbi hm, I talk almost daily with Ell, or so I seem to think
@nwp it's a Lounge-related room, make no mistake.
 
C++ is less important than lounging
 
6:48 PM
yeah, that's why it's smaller
 
nwp
@sbi maybe it is because the useful/good people make stuff and don't have time to chat...
 
sbi
Jan 24 '11 at 13:22, by sbi
@DeadMG C++ discussions are going on at SO proper. This is the chat, and whenever I have the time and energy I work very hard to keep discussions off-topic. :)
Look at the date.
 
I think the common thing between different people doesn't have to have anything with what they discuss ..
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Ah, and that is sowing discord in this room? (SCNR.)
 
I'm going to eat some ice cream
 
sbi
6:51 PM
@Ven So he's here now more often. That could well be, as I am not here anymore.
 
I'll keep you all updated
 
@sbi Well, there's always been this group of people who believe that Stack Overflow is a horrendous platform for the Lounge. Discord seems to be the first actual chat system that works well.
 
sbi
@nwp I remember when GMan hung out here, and James McNellis.
 
So, of course, those people made the switch.
 
They'll probably come back
Give them 1 year
 
nwp
6:52 PM
woooo agents of shield final :D
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel But "The Lounge" is not some artificial thing that you can implement on any chat platform. It's a group of people who, for whatever reason, met here, and made this room develop a self-sustaining culture. You cannot move this culture to some other universe. If the lounge dies here, then it will be dead, not moved.
Ah, young people, who still need to learn all of this.
 
@sbi I agree, but still. Some people believe they can move the Lounge. Personally I see Discord as a separate community that happen to share some of the same people.
 
Context does matter.
 
I predicted the death at the hand of discord a while ago
 
sbi
@Shoe By then (on account of them having left), this room won't be what it was when they left. So they will be disappointed.
 
6:55 PM
Hence why I have both opened at the same time in my browser.
 
Discord's community is not self sustaining
 
It's mostly Cat, Rapptz and Dom, really.
 
Ven
the biggest problem I have with discord/... is that it doesn't allow "newcomers"
 
sbi
@Shoe It's a community's culture that is either destructive or supportive to the community.
 
I mean lounge<discord>
The Other Lounge™
 
sbi
6:57 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Really? A year ago or two, there were rare moments I stumbled in here when there weren't the pirate, the puppy, the robot, and the lion around. Now it's rare that I come in and they are around.
 
@sbi Right, Pirate moved too. Robot is just busy in meatspace.
But really a bunch of people are here less often. Xeo, for instance. Jalf just stopped hanging around.
 
sbi
@Ven This room has always been called "hostile" regarding new people. (IMO it wasn't really hostile, but it wasn't welcoming either.) That hasn#t stopped the room from growing.
 
@Ven It does
There's even a whole channel for them
Which of course is never used
 
@Ven So how did the first people come to discord? ;)
 
Ven
gr43t joek
 
7:00 PM
Because there's no newcomer's influx
 
Ven
(you two)
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Ha, TTBOMK, the robots disappearance coincidences with his relationship. Given that. being "busy in meatspace" seems a rather beefy description...
 
@Ven itsnotajoke.tex
 
Ven
joketex?
 
@sbi "They're made out of meat"
 
7:01 PM
Two Totems Biking On Mount Kilimanjaro?
 
@Borgleader Question of the day:
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel "They're making..." Ok, Ok, I'll stop. Sorry for pawloving.
 
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Q: CPP .. Vector class

SetekhI can not understand it, can anyone help please... Define a class Vector that stores n-dimensional vector, by keeping its elements in a dynamically allocated array of integers. Supply the "big three" memory management functions. Use this class to demonstrate (a) the difference between i...

 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Actually, people leaving is what happens to communities. A self-sustaining culture would just shrug and attract new people. In fact, that's what happened here for many years. (Remember that once I was accused of being the room's dictator, the real king whose bidding everybody does – and yet the room did not break down when I stepped down as an owner and later even disappeared altogether.)
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7:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I inb4ed that, you lose, sorry
 
Ven
:(
 
I remember when I was still young and wandering through the many topics of the forum dedicated to an amateur Zelda game.
Now I occasionally make a pull request to the GitHub repo of the C++ remix of the game engine, and that's pretty much it.
And I haven't submitted one in months...
 
Ven
sounds fun
 
do any of you use an alternative keyboard layout like colemak?
 
The game (Zelda Solarus DX) is fun (the beginning is a bit slow though) :p
 
7:14 PM
@sbi Actually, the room did break down. You didn't know about it because you disappeared altogether. :D:D:D
 
Ven
@orlp I use azerty, does it count? :P
 
or dvorak
 
sbi
@Mysticial I didn't so much disappear in a plop, as fade out.
 
Ven
(I mean, I use azerty at home, and qwerty at work)
 
@Ven nah thats just 1 key
 
Ven
7:14 PM
@orlp wat
 
@orlp New World keyboards.
 
Ven
azerty is just one key?? you got me puzzled here
 
@Ven isn't azerty 1 key swapped?
 
Ven
far, far from it...
 
oh
 
Ven
7:15 PM
 
@Mysticial The room only starts existing every time @sbi enters it.
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sbi
Jan 24 '11 at 16:48, by sbi
Am am now officially, and for the remainder of this long day, very grumpy.
Ha!
 
either way, I meant one of the 'new' keyboard layouts that is optimized
 
@sbi Not sure which of both is the saddest.
 
Ven
we habe bépo in french for that... but I don't know it :P
 
sbi
7:16 PM
@Morwenn What was it... "It's better to burn than it is to smolder." That's it, innit?
 
@sbi Er, let me check my proverbs.
 
sbi
@Morwenn That's not one of sours, child. (That's a line by Neil Young, which he refused to sing again for years after his friend Curt Cobain left it as his last note before he shot himself.)
 
the reason I'm asking is because I just soldered together my ergodox
and now I have to choose what layout to use
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked In fact, that's true. But it starts existing including all the history since I left, including your memories of that history, so that you do not realize this.
 
since it uses a non-staggered layout, and the halves are separated, I basically have to relearn how to type anyway
I would like to use a better layout than qwerty, I'm just a bit worried that I'll end up a colemak in a qwerty world
and every application in the world seems to assume qwerty
 
7:19 PM
@sbi So you are not just the boss of this room.. you are its God.
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Ven
@StackedCrooked saw that :P
@orlp do you have coworkers? or people that would need to use your comp?
 
@sbi Uh, the context is pretty strong.
 
@Ven no
@Ven if I did, I'd hook up another keyboard :P
do you know what an ergodox is?
 
sbi
@Morwenn Yup. Fitting, though.
 
Ven
no clue! googling now
ah, I see what it is now
wait, is it actually good?
 
sbi
7:20 PM
@orlp The more important question is: Do you want to know?
 
@sbi What is to know?
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked Yes, that's right. Bow before me.
 
Ven
how is that good? I can't see it
 
@Ven you can keep your hands separate
you can use both your thumbs
and it's fully programmable
 
And you don't really have to move them much.
 
sbi
7:21 PM
@orlp "To know something" is to have obtained facts about it.
 
Ven
I'm afraid I'd move my keyboards around :v
 
@Ven what do you mean
 
Ven
well, just push 'em with my hands
 
I guess Dvorak might be the most well-supported keyboard layout after qwerty, so you might as well go for it.
 
@sbi there's also biblical "knowledge"
 
7:22 PM
@Ven how is that different for a regular keyboard?
 
I'd like to have three hands so I could use mouse and a keyboard at the same time
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes these are quite hefty
ballparking 500-750g
but you should be able to google it
 
(and they have rubber feet)
probably a bit less then that
I'd weight them for you if I had a scale :)
 
Ven
7:24 PM
@orlp a bit too heavy, and the fact that both my hands stabilize the keyboard
 
a second ago you were worried you'd push the keyboard around
and now it's too heavy?
 
Ven
3 mins ago, by orlp
@Ven how is that different for a regular keyboard?
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, given that we are too insignificantly intelligent to truly know about this world, and that all we discover is ever more complex, but, compared to the real thing, still simplistic, models of the universe, and thus all "fact" we "know" about are just artifacts of our models that break as soon as we get up one rung on this infinite ladder of ever more complex models, the difference between the "facts" of the bible, or of Pascal, or of Einstein, are rather irrelevant.
 
Ven
@fredoverflow wtf is that
 
7:26 PM
all I can say is that the weight of it is not a problem, and it's not just gliding around
 
@fredoverflow I know what they were trying to tell, but it still feels offensive
...it's the first time I've used this word, I swear
 
Ven
@milleniumbug do you feel... taggered triggered?
 
Dunno, it made me giggle.
 
Ven
EleGiggle
 
sbi
> I don't even have boobs yet, and they still get in the way! It's crazy. – LOL!
 
7:28 PM
Fuck tiny spiders flying midair for no reason.
@sbi I could use that line :D
 
sbi
@Morwenn TMI!
 
@Ven A campaign against female programmer prejudices or somethin? I dunno
 
Ven
I sure understand that. I meant the video. Oh well whatever
I just got bored by watching it, and it's like 2 minutes
 
sbi
@Morwenn Indian summer! (It's called Old Crone Summer in German, because of all these silver "hairs" flying around.)
 
@Ven Actually, it's exactly 1 minute :)
 
sbi
7:30 PM
LOL!
 
I think knowledge is the association of an observed thing with its mental representation..
 
@sbi It's never summer here.
 
Ven
who knew girls could time so well?
 
sbi
@Morwenn What? Oh. Bretagne, right?
 
If I wanted to make a campaign for female coders, I'd name it #include <girls>
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7:32 PM
@sbi Right ç_ç
 
sbi
:30627001 Normal procedure is to star any message with an embarrassing typo, and then wait for 2mins before pointing out the typo.
 
I'm going to take a shower. See you later.
 
nwp
@fredoverflow Oh yeah, you think you can just preprocess girls? Use them whenever you want and just not include them when you don't need them? Well I'm #triggered!
 
@fredoverflow you mean <grills>
 
inb4 tumbler comes with #define girls
 
7:42 PM
What is up with Java and not having constructors for the classes you are trying to create? I've found this super annoying with this language. Anyone able to justify this? It's my code and I want it now... List<T> myList = new List<T>();Ian Newland 12 mins ago
The fuck is this?
 
using std::girl could also have somewhat negative connotations
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol
I'd say this is a syndrome of "I can't fucking read lololo"
 
@EtiennedeMartel List is an interface, hence no constructors
 
@fredoverflow I know. Read the answer this comment is attached to.
 
@IanNewland Try using C# instead, it'll work. — milleniumbug 10 secs ago
 
7:44 PM
@EtiennedeMartel lol, what's with the "It's my code and I want it now"
 
@fredoverflow definitely sounds better than import girls;
 
@Mysticial kek
 
I don't know what's going on. Is that a troll?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Probably most original Java troll in a long time...
@StackedCrooked lol
Who knows, maybe Java 11 will put default constructors in interfaces? ;)
 
Would be cool.
 
7:49 PM
> You can't code because you were busy taking Gender studies classes you dumb fucks.
lol
 
> top tags:
 
Wait what
 
sbi
Oh my god Google no https://t.co/f1hQjI7WWc
 
@sbi This is not gonna end well
 
sbi
@bn2b @therealprotonk obviously namey mcnameface is going to win
 
7:58 PM
@sbi Well they did just name a thing "Parsey McParseFace" didnt they?
 
sbi
@Borgleader Yeah, I heard that, too.
 
@sbi I put in Natrium, but I'm a hopeless nerd
 
NoobleyMcNoobleFace2016
 
sbi
@набиячлэвэлиь Isn't that called "sodium" in English?
 
@sbi Yes, it is
 
sbi
8:01 PM
Anyway, I guess I need to go to bed now. After two weeks of vacation, my alarm will again go off at 5:45 tomorrow morning. Sigh.
 
sbi
Oh.
I'd rather rest wholly, than in pieces.
 
Ven
@Shoe where's that from?
 
@Ven from their website
girlswhocode.com or something
 
Ven
oh, ok. not gonna bother
 
8:03 PM
here to be precise
which is linked here girlswhocode.com/girlsdocode
 
@Shoe So... if I understand correctly, an employer was more likely to hire an incompetent man over a competent woman?
 
I honestly I have no idea what that means
I guess I'm one of the 29% incompetent lower performing men
 
> In another study, potential employers systematically underestimated the mathematical performance of women compared with men, resulting in the hiring of lower-performing men over higher-performing women for mathematical work.
 
Ven
welcome aboard
 
How did they test that?
Like, who evaluated the "mathematical performance" of men and women and how?
Whatever that means
Is it based on uni grades?
 
8:14 PM
@Borgleader Nooble 2016!
 
@Shoe I'd love to check this, but seems like you have to register to something to download the data.
 
Ven
@Shoe it must be about work, because "right candidate"
maybe they look at layoff numbers
 
Reminds me. In Quebec, a few years back, there was a study in which identical resumes from fictional people were sent to various employers. The resumes with obviously "pure laine" (i.e. French) names were far more likely to be called for an interview than "ethnic" names. And yet the rest of the resumes were identical.
 
Patriotism I guess
 
That's a weird way to write "systemic racism" ;)
 
nwp
8:24 PM
@EtiennedeMartel pretty sure it is "individual racism", not "systemic racism"
 
Yes. But jokes aside, I saw it as a reminder that prejudice is quite often unconscious.
That being said, I don't remember if they also tested with English-sounding names.
If those didn't get a lot of calls then maybe there's also your good old dislike of the "maudits anglais".
But that's still prejudice.
 
I don't like audits either
 
CAT!
YOU'RE HERE!
 
:(
I'd like to say that you're my favorite Pole ever.
 
8:38 PM
Well you're wrong
 
@EtiennedeMartel But if he's honest his favorite pole is in a strip club badumtss
ok time to leave work
 
My favourite Pole is North Pole
 
Also, please star my next message.
 
8:50 PM
Scientific projects should somehow be forced to use unit libraries.
 
nwp
what are unit libraries?
 
Someone hit me with some strings that have wonky characters in them.
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Q: Visual Studio C++ 2015 std::codecvt with char16_t or char32_t

user3443139This code compiled OK under VS2013: std::string Unicode::utf16_to_utf8(std::u16string utf16_string) { std::wstring_convert<std::codecvt_utf8_utf16<char16_t>, char16_t> convert; return convert.to_bytes(utf16_string); } Now with VS2015 I get: 1>unicode.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved ex...

VC++ making me so goddamn sad.
 
@nwp Libraries that wrap numbers into other types and make sure that only valid operations can be performed, like you can't compare areas and volumes.
 
nwp
ah, makes sense, I wanted to try one of those some time but never found an actual need
 
Now that I'm deep into oceanographic stuff at work, I realize how much I would like to know which kind of quantities I'm supposed to give to functions.
 
9:00 PM
If you are dedicated to quality then you should give the best quantities to all of the functions.
 
Quality with quantities :p
 
Ven
<insert Trump joke here>
<Insert <Insert <Insert generic joke> about generic jokes> about generic jokes>
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@EtiennedeMartel Not all of us are like that. There's plenty of cool people here as well.
 
"Display my string as UTF8"
> Displays Garbage
SeemsGood Visual Studio SeemsGood
 
where are you displaying
inb4 in the windows console
 
9:28 PM
good luck with portable utf-8 console output on windows
is it possible without some win32 specific code?
 
Just ignore the console
 
I'm not doing that
Just string round-tripping through Lua
And it works.
I don't even have to include any platform-specific crap: it seems like codecvt works when you're using utf8 as the roundtrip medium.
 
ok, but don't expect to be able to print() utf8 properly in windows console, unless you did something to make that work
 
9:44 PM
I wouldst share this comic
 
if 16-bit characters work, you probably have to do work to make surrogate pairs work, it's been a while though since I tried that on windows
 
There's no std::is_character, is there?
 
c < 0x101000 && (c < 0xd800 || c >= 0xe000) <-- unicode ends at 0x101000 and it can't be a surrogate pair reserved value
 
@ThePhD std::isalpha maybe.
But nothing for UTF8 if that's the question.
 
assuming you have a char32_t
 
9:58 PM
@Columbo lol
 
@Morwenn that would depend on locale
 

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