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11:00 AM
but what does that really buy @rightfold?
 
user1804599
Dunno
 
point being Reader is a monad, but MonadReader is really what a coeffect should be
> One difference between effects and coeffects is that coeffects can be satisfied in multiple different ways.
 
Ell
11:11 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I remember you vehemently defending TN panels once :P
 
Ell
lol
 
@ThePhD Why would you want getopt command line parsing when you have docopt? :o
 
11:18 AM
requesting joke
404 - joke not found
 
@Shoe You're already a joke.
 
ouch
 
Ben
does my profile image look like the NATO symbol?
I suspect it does.
 
Wait... you enjoy writing code?
You are a weirdo
> I live in New Zealand, and I enjoy writing code and learning new things.
 
(removed)
 
Ben
11:21 AM
@Shoe heh, its actually partially true.
 
@Ell Maybe before he had to work against a sideways screen.
 
Ben
@Shoe yes its true.
 
Ell
yep
 
Ben
yes
 
ye
 
11:22 AM
yup
 
si
 
OUI
 
@Ben The NATO symbol is a windrose, so it's hardly unique.
 
and there it goes
 
Behold voyel-only words.
 
Ben
11:23 AM
just had to edit this.
 
Fun / 2016-2016 / Killed by robot
 
std::not_fun
 
std::s<fun, funny>
 
It would be helpful if you could provide an example of what you mean by this. The problem here is that you're using unsafe operations which violate the underlying assumptions of the ST monad. — ErikR 12 mins ago
I like how in the vast majority of the cases it's actually the "unsafe" function that's a problem
people are so bad at checking validity of the code
 
lol haskal
 
Ben
11:27 AM
F#
 
> look dude seriously this function is marked unsafe because there's a huge possibility you'll get it wrong
> herp derp I'm a C++ programmer give me all unsafe things
> *crash*
 
The C++ programmer knows that nothing is safe in programming and takes advantage of it
the Haskell programmers still thinks mama math will protect him from all the baddies
 
Ven
-_-
shut the fuck up
 
this is so bad it's actually funny
 
Ven
11:35 AM
don't get into it bartek PLEASE
 
nah I won't argue with badfrey
 
jefff don't provoke
 
ok
 
debugging mongodb apps is more productive than that
 
Ven
thanks
@BartekBanachewicz you're acting like a 3yo right now
 
11:37 AM
w/e
 
Ven
It might be the fucking retarded lounge, but it's not excuse for trying to get the last word in this non-discussion.
 
let's talk about comonads instead
 
Ven
they're cool
 
why?
38 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
a -> Reader r b can be turned into CoReader r a -> b
There's actually a function runCoreader :: Coreader r a -> (r, a)
> If you look at the reader arrow: (e, a) -> a you can see that all the interesting bits are bunched on the left. This is that comonad. Flipping the pair and currying the arguments yields a -> (e -> a), and you can recognize the (e -> a) as the reader monad. In more technical language the Reader comonad is left adjoint to the Reader monad.
so I suppose converting that to comonadic form brings some benefits
 
Ven
you know the diff. between a monad and a comonad in "what functions it brings to table", right?
and the {un,safeness} or {un,}wrapping compared to a monad
 
11:40 AM
@Ven so, what does it bring that a monad doesn't?
 
Ven
i.e. a Monad has unsafe unwrapping. a Comonad has unsafe wrapping. That's good with you?
 
@Ven I need to see some instances
 
Ven
an infinite list is an example of a comonad
 
Ven
unwrapping is safe. wrapping isn't
 
11:42 AM
where do you get all that paper to wrap an infinite list?
 
Ven
so, where a monad has a safe a -> m b
 
Okay, I think I get that part.
 
Ven
a comonad has a safe unwrap :: w a -> b
 
How about composition?
I see there's =>>
 
I guess from all the transcripts of Haskell discussions on the internet
That will do
 
11:43 AM
(=>>) :: Comonad w => w a -> (w a -> b) -> w b
 
Ven
=>> is the "flipped" version
the base version is (w a -> b) -> (w a -> w b)
 
Ven
and thus, the equivalent of join (which is really what makes a Monad) is duplicate :: w a -> w (w a)
 
@Ven ok, I get that
 
11:46 AM
...
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz what are you exactly looking for?
 
enlightenment
 
Ven
hah
I think I linked that paper on guarded corecursion last time. Do you remember it?
 
11:48 AM
@Ven so while in monads unwrapped values are "better", in comonads the wrapped ones are "better"
you "want" to have the wrapped value (or keep it wrapped)
 
Why is that starred three times.
 
Ven
Depends whether "better" means "lax" or not
 
@Ven or right I got stuck in 1/3
 
Ven
explain
or ask
 
I think it was too theory heavy
 
Ven
11:49 AM
mmmh. Then the other paper I wanted to link will really be a no-go
 
I can't escape thinking about usage
 
Ven
I gave you an example. Streams / Infinite lists.
 
@Ven I think one of the problems I'm having here is that Haskell expresses everything as monads by default
 
Ven
¿¿
 
lol
 
Ven
11:53 AM
I'm bad at haskell, but I don't get that impression
 
are integers monads
 
@Ven reading this now
 
Ven
okay
what I'd really recommend reading is Totality vs Turing-Completeness, but it's heavy.
 
I don't know how to properly train a regressor.
 
Ven
Regress a train then.
 
11:58 AM
-_-
shut the fuck up
 
Ven
<3
 
> Monads and do notation transformed the face of Haskell by turning it into the finest imperative programming language. I believe that comonads and method notation may similarly transform Haskell into the finest object-oriented language as well.
 
user1804599
313
A: What are the dark corners of Vim your mom never told you about?

Jeffrey Knight:! [command] executes an external command while you're in Vim. But add a dot after the colon, :.! [command], and it'll dump the output of the command into your current window. That's : . ! For example: :.! ls I use this a lot for things like adding the current date into a document I'm ...

 
user1804599
nice
 
12:29 PM
> This is a very important way to express the three monad laws, because they are precisely the laws that are required for monads to form a mathematical category. So the monad laws can be summarised in convenient Haiku form:

Monad axioms:
Kleisli composition forms
a category.
Really, Haskell wiki? Really?
 
@Griwes looks pretty clear
 
I mean using a haiku there.
 
> convenient haiku form
;_;
 
easy to remember
 
12:30 PM
I'm doing math. Why am I doing math?
 
@Griwes A terrible one.
 
Is a bug a bug if nobody ever tried to use the buggy code?
 
Nice. LaTeX bigfoot package is better than the default footnotes facility.
 
12:37 PM
> Strangely enough, in the Haskell version, each new method call gets applied before all the previous calls!
that's what I'm observing as well
> What use do we have for methods which get applied in reverse chronological order?
EXACTLY JUST TELL ME ALREADY
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz explain to me again how haskell is better and easier than C++
8
 
@nwp not now
 
nwp
ok
 
@nwp it's because functor and cofunctor are the same thing
hides
 
@Morwenn Turns out this bug was reported 7 years ago
 
12:40 PM
@Morwenn ...if a tree falls in the forest...
 
@Borgleader Give it some time, it's younger than you. It's not yet a mature and full-fledged bug :o
 
...I might need to read the Bartosz's category theory thingy.
 
Ven
@Griwes well...
that sucks, I agree
If a bug is reported in the forest, and no one is there to read it, it works on the developer's machine.
 
If I use an array of atomics for a parallel couting sort, I don't need to synchronize anything. Weren't there plans to add an std::atomic_array_view to the standard or something?
 
nwp
@Morwenn yup
 
12:48 PM
@nwp Oh yeah, I was looking for a dedicated paper, but of course it's been proposed in the std::atomic_view one ^^'
 
@Griwes Oh just like fusion and confusion?
 
@Borgleader fusion and cofusion* if anything :P
Now how do I easily input ∘ on Linux...
 
@Borgleader Here are more: one, two. Instead of submitting duplicate bug reports I would turn on -Wsign-conversion and find more productive ways of working around the problem. — sleep tight pupper 2 mins ago
while im not fond of duplicate bug reports the bug has been there for like 7 years... and theres nothing "productive" about working around a library bug
am i just naive/wrong? -.-
 
Dunno, sounds like boost posix_time is trying to do too much (this works just fine with chrono)
POSIX time is irrelevant if you're not using calendars.
 
I need a new printer it seems
the printings are tilted
 
12:59 PM
@nwp well, in what context? There are things that easier in Haskell than in C++ and vice versa.
I think calling one language absolutely "better" and "easier" than another would assume it's better and easier in every possible scenario, which I can hardly believe.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
Somebody made the mistake of publishing a photo on the Internet.
 
user1804599
RIP
 
don't use social media, full stop
5
 
1:15 PM
Or be ready to assume everything you shared.
 
Ven
c'est un faux ami, "to assume" ;)
 
Er, whatever ç_ç
 
Ven
<3
 
'take responsibility for'?
 
Ven
correct.
 
1:22 PM
I've finally decided to learn about the underbelly of C++ that scared me away for a while. It's a lot easier than I imagined, but I've got one question. It seems to be best to declare stack variables (released after scope, low fragmentation), but are there cases where heap variables are better?
 
Ven
There are a lot of different school of thoughts. The "modern C++" view about this is that a T* is always non-owning, and everything else should be allocated/tracked in a {shared,unique}_ptr.
 
@Aaron3468 optional runtime dependencies. But the lifetime management should still use RAII.
 
Ven
(so you can keep the benefits from RAII/"stack variables released after scopes", and still have stuff on the heap)
 
extremely large objects
5
 
1:24 PM
I didn't even realize. ;_;
 
Ven
Another example is containers. You can't store references (and reference_wrapper is... criticized by many).
 
In the case of an extremely large object -- a massive array -- would it be a good idea to use a container object like a std::vector so that heaping is non-contiguous and can be easily swapped onto other pages by the OS if necessary?
 
IIRC std::invocation_type can lower the need for std::reference_wrapper. But it didn't make it into C++17 because nobody implemented it.
 
Ven
@Aaron3468 std::vector store items contiguously.
 
@Aaron3468 too low level thinking
there are no pages and no OS in C++
 
1:28 PM
True ^^;
So then it doesn't matter if you declare an array too big for the heap, or a vector too big; they both result in out of memory?
 
Ven
@Aaron3468 who knows
Holy cow, cider is magical. I have (require [noir.validation :as vali]) in a file. I type (vali/ in another file, and it automatically imported noir.validation :as vali.
 
Ah, okay, I see that vector isn't preferred for allocation reasons; it's the automated housekeeping
*and I always forget that C++ has C arrays and std::array
 
user1804599
fixedsys excelsior is a great font
 
@Aaron3468 it's perfectly fine to forget that C++ has C arrays
 
Hmm, I forgot why it's a good idea for C++ references to not be storable in containers
 
1:42 PM
Because they're ~~~special~~~
 
Ven
like me!
at least that's what my mom said
 
hey, that's what my mum also said of me
your mum also said I'm special
 
@Shoe It stems from the "references are always initialized" thing or wtv.
 
we have so much in common
 
@Shoe Not assignable.
 
1:44 PM
I see
 
Also T&* is not a thing.
They could be made to work (by essentially specializing with hidden reference_wrappers or even just pointers), but no.
 
Can a good C++ programmer be considered smart because he is good at a complex language even though he dumbly decided to choose that language?
 
Ven
for knowing C++?
 
is the smartest dumbass really smart?
 
or is he just an opel?
 
1:49 PM
Dumb people can learn smart things. It's more about the sum of things they know. So in a sense, C++ requires commitment and perseverance -- both good traits -- to learn, but is a dumb choice of language for some applications, especially with python/java/rust becoming so accessible and fast.
 
Ven
You're my first girlfriend to think commitment is a good thing...
 
But if you only knew that a guy is very good at C++ would you lean towards dumb or towards smart on the judgment of said person?
 
You sure it wasn't neediness?
I'd say he's fairly likely to be smart; anyone learning to tell a computer what to do must be a bit of a masochistic scholar ^^;
But being a 'smart' person is mostly about having a commitment to learning and having passed some threshold of average knowledge of 'smart' things
 
You're smart if you can make paperclips.
 
I suppose smartness is a measure of how far you're willing to go to learn things that are irrelevant to your daily survival
 
1:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't get the reference. Does it mean I'm not smart?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Things like this
 
@Aaron3468 lol
 
you're smart if you know how to make mayonaise
 
so far for my non-sequitur of the day
 
2:04 PM
Any issues with cpp-netlib? Should I consider a different library for a one-off http client?
 
@Aaron3468 cpr is bae
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oooh, I see
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked mmmh, mayonnaise...
 
I'll give cpr a spin and see how it is. cpp-netlib looks nearly as usable, but streams seem like a weird way to build requests
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hah, I wasn't aware of that reference either.
That's an interesting article
 
Ven
2:16 PM
@Aaron3468 cpp-netlib is utter shit
source: I use it at work
 
Ell
Man I suck
6
And its so goddam frustrating
 
@Borgleader It's just something I came across recently.
May 12 at 19:05, by R. Martinho Fernandes
"Paperclipper" is my new favourite word.
 
While the concept is interesting, I think 'intelligence explosion' is a bit silly. An AI would need at least enough intelligence to develop pluggable AI hardware for itself, as well as enough intelligence to program/train it properly without supervision.
 
Ven
@Ell I know, right?
I'd form a club for people who suck at everything, but I suck at that too.
 
2:24 PM
@Aaron3468 AGI means human-level intelligence, which has all the capabilities you described.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Neuroscientists are still struggling to create interfaces more complex than simple emotion sensors and actuators linked to sets of neurons. I think you'd need above-human intelligence at least ^^; Or a secret society of human-level AI working together
 
@Aaron3468 An AGI created by humans can create a society of AGIs. Proof: humans can create AGIs; AGIs have human-level intelligence; AGIs can create AGIs.
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes that logic is highly flawed. Humans can fly to the moon + you are human -> you can fly to the moon. (I know you are really a robot, point stands)
 
Fair point with evolvable hardware. Any time I imagine intelligent AI, I imagine that it uses some sort of networked logic (neurons etc). I forget about the possibility of human level intelligence using algorithms.
On the other hand, it takes research teams to build AGI, therefore it would take multiple AGI to build AGI ;)
 
2:30 PM
instance MonadState e ((->)e `ACompF` (,)e) where
	get = compose $ \s -> (s,s)
	put s = compose $ const (s,())
you've got to be kidding me
 
@nwp I probably could, if I didn't have biological limitations.
 
$s$s$s$s$s$s$e$s$s$s$e$s$s$s$s$s$s$s$s$s$s$
 
Ven
now that's disgusting
 
@Aaron3468 Software can be trivially instantiated multiple times.
 
Haha, I suppose you're right. Imagine a robot who, once finished the planning stage, unloaded his planning personality and initialized a fabricator AI in its body. I'd imagine the swap would take a while though, and he'd have a lot more memory than necessary to operate. As such, he'd need to be at least a few generations behind cutting edge in order to hold multiple copies of his own software and have a means of managing their use of his hardware resources
So in the end, it's just a question of when we'll get to that point (we're not close). Hopefully no exceptions like MeteorCollisionException are thrown in the meantime ;)
 
user1804599
2:36 PM
@BartekBanachewicz my eyes
 
@Aaron3468 Or maybe it just needs to be connected to the Internet. Plenty of hardware out there.
Also plenty of "helpful" human hands ready to be blackmailed or bribed into building or doing whatever is necessary to bootstrap a physical presence.
 
That is true. I'm not huge into sci-fi speculation so I'm not so familiar with the possibilities, but it seems that you are
 
@Aaron3468 Nah, I'm just rubber-ducking my plan.
@Aaron3468 I don't think it's scifi. The only assumption you need to make to consider it reality is that AGI is possible.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes grim
 
so
a few hours later, I don't think I'm really closer to understanding comonads
I have a very vague feeling of more or less seeing some kind of pattern but it's not even remotely useful for anything
 
2:42 PM
It may be possible for AGI to exist, but whether it will be probable in the next 80 years is uncertain. Even 50 years is eons in my lifetime
 
I personally don't think that's a stretch (random evolutionary pressures managed to produce intelligence of that level, and I don't think intelligence stems from any supernatural phenomena)
 
Ell
@набиячлэвэлиь I can't into electronics :P
 
nwp
why is there utf8_czech_ci, utf8_danish_ci, utf8_esperanto_ci, ..., utf16_czech_ci, ... utf32_czech_ci, ... for SQL? Someone didn't understand what utf8 is for...
 
@nwp The "czech_ci" bits are collations.
 
clearly not very u
 
2:44 PM
So all I'm saying is that scifi (to me) is any tech that doesn't exist now, and which probably won't exist in the next 50 years minimum
 
'utf8_czech_ci' means "encoded as UTF-8, with equivalence and order determined as per case-insentive Czech rules"
@Aaron3468 Fair enough.
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz like Haskell
7
 
nwp
@R.MartinhoFernandes so I suppose I want utf8_bin? case insensitive doesn't seem like a good thing here
 
i use SSD for media storage. it seems to be waste of ssd.
 
Ven
2:48 PM
I'm legally allowed to.
 
why does this print 22 instead of 12? int i = 0;
cout << ++i << ++i;
 
nwp
@AjeetKljh undefined behavior
but I like the result
 
@nwp If you don't want any language-specific collation, yeah.
 
Ven
@nwp no, order of evaluation is unspecified, not undefined.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Speaking of which, the speculation brought to mind a personality dichotomy that I learned a while ago. In Socionics, you're probably introverted thinking and extroverted intuition. I'm introverted intuition and extroverted thinking‌​.
And of the two intuitions, the extroverted is the more creative kind. Introverted like mine tends to ruminate and turn inward, rather than making new information
 
2:52 PM
Who buys this a huge piece of ...
https://www.embarcadero.com/app-development-tools-store/rad-studio
 
@Aaron3468 To be honest, I'm weary of the idea that we're not close. We are at the beginning of the age where we have computer programs whose inner workings their own programmers cannot grasp.
The programmers of AlphaGo (DeepMind) do not know how AlphaGo plays go. They only know how it learned to play it.
 
@Ven I thought everything was UB as long as two operations modify the same variable but none is sequenced before the other.
 
Ven
@Morwenn there's a sequence point before a function is entered in a function call, AFAIK
 
Do you write €-123 or -€123?
 
Ven
3:01 PM
-123€
 
I'm partial to -123€.
 
Ven
the € goes to the right, not the left.
 
@Ven Yes. No. Maybe.
It's culturally-dependent.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm weary of saying we've made much progress when AlphaGo was simply a rehashing of our knowledge of neural networks and statistics played out on a fairly powerful mainframe. I'm not saying you're wrong, but we're approaching from two different perspectives; I can explain them as the difference of introverted and extroverted intuition.
 
3:05 PM
> Types that value Ne [intuition, extroverted] prefer to try out an opportunity rather than consider all possible ways in which it could not work out [Ni intuition, introverted].
 
@Aaron3468 And yet the AI community were convinced it wouldn't happen in the next decade.
Also note that AlphaGo is just a particular instantiation of a general-purpose AI (DeepMind)
 
user1804599
culturally-dependent types
 
user1804599
@Shoe -€123
 
Thanks
 
user1804599
(€123)
 
user1804599
3:14 PM
€(123)
 
user1804599
€0 - €123
 
user1804599
€123 × -1
 
@ProblemSlover My old company uses it exclusively.
 
@caps Nice. No wonder it's your "Old" company :P
 
@ProblemSlover Haha, I'm really glad to not be using that awful IDE and it's terrible non-compliant C++ anymore.
 
3:18 PM
DeepMind makes R&D of neural network-based AI efficient, but is not an AI itself.
 
user1804599
Adobe Illustrator
 
@Aaron3468 Whatever you want to call their AI before undergoing the learning process.
 
@caps They put all crap into the single ide. I wanna play with this piece a little bit for mobile dev. downloaded a cracked version. lets see how it goes
 
@ProblemSlover It's a terrible IDE. It will crash several times a day and will routinely corrupt your project files.
It will let you compile all kinds of illegal C++ and will occasionally refuse to compile perfectly legal C++.
 
Sorry for being pedantic about AI vocabulary ^^; It's a field I've paid a lot of attention to
 
3:25 PM
My point is that it wasn't designed specifically to learn to play go. You could teach it to make paperclips.
 
@caps All you needed to say is "C++"
 
How does a multimap store multiple values to the same key? like if i create a char key to an int ('a'=>1) then another ('a'=>2), and i print it, it always returns the last one i entered. what happens to the old ones (1)?
 
What does RAD studio have that can't be set up with eclipse or visual studio?
 
It's pretty RAD
 
Also, the built-in library is horrible--just horrible. It is completely oblivious to the fact that anything in the standard library exists.
And it's not const correct at all.
 
3:26 PM
lol
 
I wrote an iterator for the listview, and I had to do a const_cast inside the const_iterator just to access the values.
 
O.O That's terrible caps
 
@caps haha. ok.. feeking really sorry for those who are forced to use this crap
 
prints the first*
 
Now I'm trying to make choice (.(skylake) ) Xeon or core i7./
 
Ell
3:32 PM
buy a used i5-2500k
you'll get it cheap and it's great :3
 
@Ell sounds sexy lol
 
Ell
@caps are you sure you shouldn't have been writing a const iterator?
 
@Ell hm? I was writing a const_iterator...
 
Ell
ohright
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Don't jinx it
 
3:45 PM
@Ell That is, I was writing both an iterator and a const_iterator.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The same is true (to at least some extent) of virtually every artificial neural network. I'm not sure that really means we're very close to attaining what I'd think of as a more generalized intelligence out of the technique though. Current NN-based software generally starts with one type of input in a relatively specific format, and produces one type of output (also in a specific format).
 
On a purely theoretical level, we even know how to generalize that: more input neurons, more hidden neurons, and more output neurons. Feed data through, and the network will learn which input neurons relate to which outputs, and adjust weights accordingly. Realistically, to approach anything like the number of inputs and types of results a human brain can achieve goes far beyond what we can build hardware to support today (or can imagine building very soon either).
 
@EtiennedeMartel Tomaeto-tomahto really
 
IMO DeepMind makes it easy to squeeze good performance out of a mediocre network by using genetic algorithms and training against earlier versions, data sets, and human players
Designing the network appears to be an exercise left to the researchers
 
3:57 PM
In particular, during back-propagation, you use deltas that have sizes proportional to NxM, where N and M are the number of neurons in the layers they're connecting. For example, one human eye has around 180-200 million receptors. So that means we (ideally) want 180-200 million input neurons per eye. As a first order approximation, we want more hidden neurons than input neurons, so let's say 300 million. So, during back-propagation, we would need ~240 gigabytes per eye.
Keep in mind that the growth is quadratic though. 240 gigabytes for one eye doesn't mean 480 gigabytes for two eyes--it means ~53 terabytes for two eyes. Add in two ears, skin nerves, etc., and you're talking about petabytes of weights just to do simple
"first order" processing necessary to get from "feel heat, see flame" -> "fire".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You'd use DeepMind to train an AI you build to make paperclips ;) AlphaGo can't be reused to make an AI with a different specialization, and DeepMind was just AlphaGo's 'coach', so to speak
 
مو قادر اتنفس، المرة العاشرة اعيد المقطع. https://t.co/l3rktA2mEV
3
.. wait for it
 
4:14 PM
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Q: I'm trying to learn how to hack with c#. How do I do that?

Orel PazI don't know, what to do? pleases reply ASAP. I'm kind of new here I don't know how to use this website a lot.

 
Ven
Omg a dmitry closed that question
 
@Khaled.K lol, wtf? :D
 
So one question I've had for a little while. How do I get build systems to play nice with eachother so I can import dependencies of a different build system? There've been times where I've had to find a different library because I was using Maven and one of the libraries I wanted to use relied on a gradle system, for example.
 
@Aaron3468 Why does it matter if some library uses Gradle or Maven? It should be an artifact that is also available through Maven.
 
4:39 PM
@milleniumbug FFS cacadi, you gotta stop with this bullshit
SO is srs bsnns
@Ven Trust me, you like the idea of having Haskell around, but not using the language itself.
You'll learn that eventually
Mark my words
inb4 ad hominem/reflection/I'mterribleathaskal
What happened to Vlad?
Since Alex left I feel empty inside
 
> Last seen 50 mins ago
 
Not knowing why he left makes me feel worse
@tpigarelli yea I'm good. Been busy with stuff so haven't been chatting.
RIP
 
@wilx the bear starts to chase those guys
 
I'm not even sure why it matters T.T Sometimes I want to keep my src around and configuring the library is difficult because it assumes my project is maven/gradle/cmake/whatever and doesn't distribute precompiled versions I can use in any build system. Some of google's recent libraries have stopped being distributed in precompiled format, favouring a git repo with the src
So I guess I just fiddle around with the include directories, make sure the license permits me to do so, build as normal, and problem solved?
 
4:55 PM
another amazing Finder feature
 
To make a long story short, I'm a total newbie with build systems and many libraries are migrating to them.
 
wanna upload photo to facebook? Sure, but not from your photo library /cc @Griwes @Shoe
that would be too easy right
 
Ven
@Shoe now you're just boring
I know bits and pieces of Haskell, y'know
 

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