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21:00
If you have rules then there will always be corner cases. I believe that in case of doubt I should be lenient. However, SO seems to be on the other side of this.
If a question could maybe be argumentative then it is immediately closed.
I think that's silly.
@CheersandhthAlf I don't think that's the case. For most of them, I actually agreed with what you were saying. But your communication comes across as really elitist during debates.
well i could try to work on that but i don't think it would help. old dog teaching himself not to bark? no way... ;-)
Is there any decent way to say something to end a discussion that was fruitless to begin with because the person you initiated discussion with, doesn't have his facts straight?
I thought "peace out", but that seems to have mostly negative connotations :/
"you win" ? :P
21:13
@CheersandhthAlf I wouldn't call you arrogant (or anything really) but sometimes I get the impression that you have looked into the Usenet abyss for too long. I hope you don't take that in a bad way.
I tell him very true and pertinent stuff, yet he completely ignores it and keeps on ranting about a problem I solved in the 1st and third emails in the thread.
...and you kept feeding a troll !
Well, I felt compelled to help the user of my toolchain builds.
alas... it was for naught (or nought, or some other weird spelling)
@rubenvb "I'm going to go get food now. Good luck"
brutal_cast ... hilarious!
21:18
OK, I'm just not going to respond
stupid people are stupid.
I'm a moron
of course I need separate octrees
QED.
^ Please someone tell me they know what that means... (in the current context)
different 3D scenes need separate octrees
Quat Erat Demonstrandum, I believe
@DeadMG hero!
Latin for ..., uh, "Proof as demonstrated" or something like that
21:20
sometimes, google translate just doesn't cut it... translate.google.be/…
I got a better version !
http://translate.google.com/#la|en|Quat%20Erat%20Demonstrandum
I can't even comprehend.. where 'city' comes from in "Hence Proved"
"quat" must be some form of city
@manasij7479 That's ... obvious, isn't it?
"What one had to prove" is what I make of it.
I usually draw a little square anyways
much more mathematical.
Q.E.D. is an initialism of the Latin phrase , which translates as "which was to be demonstrated" or "as was to be expected". The phrase is traditionally placed in its abbreviated form at the end of a mathematical proof or philosophical argument when what was specified in the enunciation — and in the setting-out — has been exactly restated as the conclusion of the demonstration. The abbreviation thus signals the completion of the proof. Etymology and early use The phrase quod erat demonstrandum is a translation into Latin from the Greek (; abbreviated as ΟΕΔ). Translating fro...
21:25
@MooingDuck kind'a what I wasn't hoping for...
@rubenvb oh, I've never seen the square before, I always used ∴ (therefore)
@forX what part of Lounge<C++> did you not understand?
Q.E.D. is an initialism of the Latin phrase , which translates as "which was to be demonstrated" or "as was to be expected". The phrase is traditionally placed in its abbreviated form at the end of a mathematical proof or philosophical argument when what was specified in the enunciation — and in the setting-out — has been exactly restated as the conclusion of the demonstration. The abbreviation thus signals the completion of the proof. Etymology and early use The phrase quod erat demonstrandum is a translation into Latin from the Greek (; abbreviated as ΟΕΔ). Translating fro...
I just relinked you
@rubenvb yeah, but its the best room (with people in), and whatever you code, u can use documentations
@forX Do you go to the butcher's for bread if the bakery is closed?
@rubenvb misunderstanding. I said that after I saw that it's a symbol for QED :(
21:26
(Somehow I never get tired of saying that)
"Quantum Electrodynamics"
"Quite Easily Done"
... didn't know these expansions before!
@rubenvb no but I can go somewhere else whith that kind of stock or where theres people who can help me to found what I want
@manasij7479 expansions ... macro's... EVIL!
1 message moved to bin
@rubenvb page not available
21:31
@MooingDuck I know, the LLVM mailing lists are MIA. It's the patch that provides that all macro error messages use "expanded from" in Clang. To make the connection clear.
connections 'clear' ?
(not sure..but )Won't that destroy line number references ?
s1.append(s1.begin(),"^"); wheeeee
when i tried to move a message (that @deadmg then moved) i could not find the bin room that's just "bin". chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/549/bin <- how do I find that?
@CheersandhthAlf You must be a "bin" owner.
hi
21:40
most of the Lounge owners are also bin owners so they can bin things
I added you to the Bin owner's list, so you can move too
"most of the Lounge owners are also bin owners"
=> "most of the Lounges are also bins"
thanks. i thought i added myself, but then it was your adding. he he.
hmm, there are/were two tomalaks?
tomalaks ?
yeah, one tomalak, two tomalaks :D
21:46
hi
hey
@jalf Counting tomalaks makes me sleepy.
Err.. I feel a bit confused ..
What/Who is 'tomalak' ?
I don't know why the hell I'm so tired
21:53
hallo
hallo
@bitmask that is one of them yes
22:14
can anyone tell me how to convert const wchar_t* to std::wstring ?
@TonyTheLion I believe "Why am I tired" is one of the most common Google search entries.
@angryInsomniac std::wstring(pwchar)
@angryInsomniac or pass it to any function that wants a wstring, it will convert automatically
@MooingDuck Thanks :)
@MooingDuck I see your ugly Systems Hungarian
@DeadMG not having the name of an actual pointer, I made a name that had an obvious type. In actual code I avoid Hungarian.
sbi
sbi
22:22
@TonyTheLion Surprising as this might seem, scientists have found that sleepiness often correlates with lack of sleep.
I suspect boredom is also a factor.
sbi
sbi
@manasij7479 This was discussed ~15hrs ago and then again ~3hrs ago here in this very room. Just search the transcript.
@StackedCrooked Doesn't correlate as strong, though.
@sbi I know, that should be sufficient.
@StackedCrooked That's because I'm too sexy for my shirt
@DeadMG Aargh! Covers eyes!
22:27
you're actually watching it instead of just listening?
I stopped covering my eyes after tabbing it away.
Because I know how computers work I can do that.
lol
A few days ago I explained slicing to a colleage of mine. Today he proudly told me he shot himself in the foot with a slicing bug. I wasn't sure how to respond to that..
So I just said "Congratulations".
huh, I just had an answer accepted from 5 months ago. Is a 5 month delay normal?
But then I thought that sounded kind of harsh so I followed up with: "It happened to me as well in the past."
22:33
@StackedCrooked which foot?
@MooingDuck South.
@StackedCrooked alright, that explains it then. The thing you have to remember is that the hyperfluid bearings under the camshafts can be miscalibrated along either axis, so regular maintanence is required to keep resonance in the titanium casing from causing abrasions against the primary sprocket joists.
@MooingDuck No, it's just because the person realized that his accept ratio was getting too low so he started to accept a bunch of answers to questions he asked in the past.
@MooingDuck I know that. But thanks, one cannot be reminded enough of that.
@sbi seeing I slept over 8hrs last night, I don't know that lack of sleep may be the issue, we'll see
23:12
how big can arrays be
usually speaking]
before hard drive space is an issue
Arrays have nothing to do with HDDs.
they store stuff\
Cardboard box stores stuff, too.
ok thanks crazy person
new (std::cardboard_box()) char[500];
23:14
you guys are being pedantic; you know full well what i mean
do we?
No, we don't.
vote carries
we officiallyb havew a policy of not knowing wtf you're talking about
If I told you I was making a million-long array of numbers
vs. a billion
vs. a trillion
You seriously do not understand why this is a hdd issue?
lol
Swap is not an extension of RAM.
If your working set cannot be fit into RAM, your program is dead.
23:18
and in addition, you could swap it onto other machines in a network or over the Internet, for example
So, no, it's not a HDD issue.
whatever this is just a case of you deciding to be an ass instead of answering a reasonable uestion
It's memory bound.
you know full well what i am trying to ask
also, the OS sets a hard limit on swapfile usage
23:19
i am not talking about swapping onto other machines or networks
what is wrong with you guys lol
IT stereotypes ahoy
It depends on the address space and available RAM. Nothing else can be said.
if you were to attempt to make a 4TB array, then inter-machine swap would be your only realistic option
Nowadays 32-bit code is more likely to exhaust its address space than available RAM.
@JohnSmith The language imposes two size limits. One is given by size_t: divide by your element size, and you have one upper limit. The other, a little more fuzzy, is given by ptrdiff_t: it's half of the former, and it tells you how large an array can be before pointer arithmetic (and hence also indexing) becomes formally UB, but still might work with given compiler...
I still need conclusions for my physics report.
How do you make conclusions my brain is broken help.
23:22
oi
@CheersandhthAlf That's only for built-in arrays- you could use custom extensions to go further
@CatPlusPlus You look in the data and you go "WTF does this mean?"
@CatPlusPlus The speed of light still stands, despite recent cable trouble in Switzerland. E might conceivably be even larger than mc^2.
But I have no idea what it means. Nor do I care.
@DeadMG well yes, of course. such as the large address extensions in Windows XP...
then it's not strong enough to support any conclusion?
23:23
My only conclusion so far is that physics labs suck.
that's a fine conclusion too
shoulda beefed up on dat anova variance analysis bro
guys , if I do this : pastebin.com/HWQMiaGY and then call deSeleted() on an invalid pointer , the exception should be appropriately ignored right ?
@angryInsomniac Call on invalid pointer == UB
23:27
Also, assignment on a bool won't ever throw.
Unless it's some crazy property-stuff type.
@CatPlusPlus the pointer that I use to call this method is invalid , i.e. never allocated anything in there
@angryInsomniac Undefined Behaviour
@angryInsomniac UB == Undefined Behaviour
23:28
UB a.k.a. it might steal your girlfriend and burn your house down.
hmm.. well , any neat way to check if a pointer is invalid before calling any methods on it ?
Start with not using a pointer.
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@CatPlusPlus have to , convoluted situation , thats the way I designed this thing
Redesign it.
If you really really need it, if (pointer) checks for nullptr.
23:30
@CatPlusPlus +1
.. invalid pointer may not always be a nullptr though..
yesterday, by sehe
@CollinHockey Hah. Swapping is death anyway. Also, what use is running an SSD if your gonna swap? Let alone swap to HDD?!
Dangling pointers are not detectable.
@CatPlusPlus cant and really I dont want to , this design is near perfect for what I want to do, just this one glitch is causing problems
Really. How many times do you use delete?
23:32
@CatPlusPlus Dont need that , the problems like this , there is a pointer to a selected element in my manager class , when a new element is selected , the old selected element needs to be deactivated , but when this happens the first time around , the pointer is unallocated , hence the error
@CatPlusPlus 0 , with 0 mem leaks
Yuck, manager classes.
@angryInsomniac There is a huge difference between a design that is perfect for what you want to do now and a design that is maintainable
@CatPlusPlus I have restricted ownership of all pointers to one location
Which is probably a god object.
@CatPlusPlus Is that a term which means something ? Its just a class that manages all input
23:34
anyone here understand memoization
i have a dice problem that i think i can use memoization for
but not sure how to set up the recursion
Memoization is caching return values.
That's about it.
right
not sure if i can apply it here though
@CatPlusPlus well , by manager class all I meant was the class which is the central location for handling all my input
23:35
i am trying to count total numbers of valid sets based on conditions
@KillianDS true .. but there is such a thing as overdoing it , I dont really need a maintainable system right now , just one that works reasonably well
famous last words !
Btw.. @angryInsomniac Can you explain the problem once more ?
@manasij7479 a class maintains the element that was last clicked on and the element itself holds a bool saying that it is currently selected (double check), whenever a new element is clicked on , the old one needs to be deactivated (ie bool needs to be set to false). and then the selected elt changed to the new one
so , the first time around , there is nothing to deactivate and hence the error
And why on Earth are pointers here for?
23:40
So, make a dummy element.. that is selected by default on start..
Alternatively: why do you (de)allocate elements on change.
@JohnSmith oh you're back
yeeerp
@manasij7479 That ... is what i am working on
@CatPlusPlus ?
Exactly what I said.
Probably more the first one.
Also redundancy is bad.
Also, I don't really care, I need to take a break.
@MooingDuck hmm , that link opens an ask question dialogue , are you saying that i should have posted this in the forum ?
you've got great inference skills ! :S
@manasij7479 gimme a break , its 5 in the morning here , pulled an all nighter
What do you think I'm doing ?
@angryInsomniac just check that the pointer points at something before you dereference it, seems easy enough to me
23:52
@MooingDuck how .. exactly does one check if a pointer points to something ? a pointer always points to something ! it may not be what you want to point it to !
Make it so, that your factory makes the pointers nullptr if nothing is made.
@angryInsomniac Actually, it is possible for a pointer to point at nothing. C (and C++) have a concept of NULL, which represents the address of "nothing"
char* mything = NULL; //there's no chars yet
if (mything == NULL) //check if it points at anything
@MooingDuck hmm , I always though that c++ ran away from NULL or atleast it was ill advised !
@angryInsomniac on the other hand, a reference always refers to something, and that something can never change.
@angryInsomniac no, not at all. Actually, C++ has NULL more than most languages
In any case , the problem that I was having was resolved by using a dummy element , which I would have had to make even if I did a NULL check
@MooingDuck Interesting ! I shall read up on this ! :)
23:56
@angryInsomniac I haven't seen your code so I can't be certain, but I doubt you need a dummy element
@MooingDuck Can you explain the rationale behind references not being able to be empty ? (like say.. None in python )
@manasij7479 A reference is basically a pointer that can't be changed ever, and always points at a valid object. That's what a reference is.
@manasij7479 since it can't ever change, a reference that refers to nothing wouldn't be useful.
@MooingDuck I am managing a digraph , if elements are deleted then the selected element will again point to nothing , so I need a dummy to point it to
@MooingDuck: What about for error handling ? (where exceptions are not allowed )
@angryInsomniac have it be NULL instead, you don't need a dummy
@manasij7479 I can't figure out what you mean there. How do errors relate to references?
23:59
@MooingDuck hmm ! hand'nt thought of that

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