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21:10
@TonyTheLion ♥
@Zoidberg's cock
@TonyTheLion Not much. Solving tickets at work, trying to get small things done on personal projects.
@Morwenn nice
Glad you like it :D
21:15
@Morwenn Sounds good
Well, it's hard being motivated to code when I'm home. I generally implement small thigs, but that's pretty much it.
@melak47 Oh, MinGW-Clang got fixed. It works there as well now
@набиячлэвэлиь when/how/which mingw-clang?
@melak47 mingw64 mingw-w64-x86_64-clang 3.8.0-1 [installed]
21:18
@набиячлэвэлиь ???
yay :D
@VermillionAzure It used to segfault on everything I supplied it
@набиячлэвэлиь Hm that's weird I thought mingw was a GCC thing
@VermillionAzure That's the MinGW repository on MSYS2, it has Clang there
And, well, everything you'll ever need, if ever so slightly outdated
21:20
yeah I'm still confused I guess
Anyways, yay now I can use Docker
time to write a Docker tutorial /s
The Return Of The Cinch Tuts
but for real docker seems very very nice
It's literally VM everywhere it's beautiful
@VermillionAzure MSYS2 -> pacman -> mingw64 repo -> GCC, Clang, libraries, everything
@набиячлэвэлиь I still don't know what MSYS2 is let me google
It's like Cygwin but it actually works and is not absolute shit
21:23
...
Cygwin is literally Hitler
:29549439 gj
Well I mean that's kind of offensive
:29549449 hi-q messages
They have different approaches though so I dunno what to say
@VermillionAzure pfffff
IDG that "offensive" thing
21:25
I mean can we really discount Cygwin for trying to go the heavy route? Docker uses some of it from what I understand
So something has to be working right
What "heavy route"? My experience with Cygwin sums up to "BURN IT WITH HIGH CORROSIVES"
@набиячлэвэлиь That's true but I think it's used in Docker...
IDGAF about the back-end as long as the front-end works
@набиячлэвэлиь It's still very important though
A cake made of cardboard still looks good until you bite into it.
that's what she said
21:31
You're not supposed to bite down there...
But then again you are a dog
@melak47 Well, it still doesn't link, but
progress :)
perhaps I should work on C++ today
Would that be too much code for code review though?
21:55
Is Coliru down?
nvm
Can any of you tell me why an object moved into a lambda capture list is const? coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/aa8f94d859a6dac3
Or rather, can any of you tell me how to make it not const?
I can't find an SO question on this, so I think I'll go ahead and ask one.
user1804599
@caps […] (…) mutable { … }
user1804599
This will make operator() non-const.
@Zoidberg you guys are awesome (cc @набиячлэвэлиь )
I feel like I should still post the SO question so the next time someone wonders this they can find the answer.
@caps it's already there. Many times
It's a common gotcha
22:09
@sehe Uh, I can't find it.
It's not even in the list of "is this question already there" in my question draft.
There are some semi-similar ones.
Just post it then, someone else might Mjölnir it
But it doesn't address the mutability issue.
You can find many questions detailing what mutable does and there's en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/lambda
It might be hard to find - on SO - if you don't have the keyword
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Q: C++0x lambda capture by value always const?

ZacIs there any way to capture by value, and make the captured value non-const? I have a library functor that I would like to capture & call a method that is non-const but should be. The following doesn't compile but making foo::operator() const fixes it. struct foo { bool operator () ( const b...

If the question addresses the mutable keyword I'm sure it explains it.
@sehe Weird. I wonder why I couldn't find that one.
@caps Of course. There are many of those. I'm not even sure how you could /not/ find them
22:12
@sehe like this: stackoverflow.com/…
@caps I searched: "stackoverflow why is lambda const"
@sehe That is better.
@caps Your mistake: using SO search. Google is for searching. Everyone knows SO search is broken for anything other than tags and user ids
Oh, I always thought the reason I couldn't find questions was because I used google. Thus I have been using SO search recently.
But it did not occur to me that the lambda was const.
I assumed it was somehow putting an implicit const in front of the value capture.
@caps both can't hurt
@caps it isn't! It's only /during the execution/ (the call operator is const-qualified)
Skype for Business: The 1 gigabyte IRC client. No I'm not joking. This is the installer for it. https://t.co/sI3MW4cMSa
W.T.H.
22:22
meh
force installing OneDrive is a way bigger sin than being 1GB
Fuck, there's a huge hole in my bed sheets :/
you shouldn't masturbate so fiercely
evenin'
lol
Hehe Piet Hintjens is on a huge tweet spree
@Puppy Well, stop posting pictures of your dog then.
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22:30
@Puppy double not-meh then
@Morwenn that's his avatar, your highness
@jaggedSpire Hey :)
Don't hunt for the bug. Hunt for the cause of your compiler error. It's not unlikely you're doing something to cause the error — sehe 26 mins ago
@Morwenn :)
@Ven I have been rather absent lately. :( How about I make it up to you?
Would github.com/Reousa/Training/tree/master/DungeonCrawl this be too much code for codereview? o.o
> this message is too long
22:36
@ReousaAsteron I'll start: you're using srand and rand. Your code is bad and you should feel bad.
fine I'll post my glorious panda dump in two pieces then
red /cc @Borgleader @Ell @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Ven @Xeo @набиячлэвэлиь
pandas! /cc @Borgleader @Ell @ThePhD @TonyTheLion @Ven @Xeo @набиячлэвэлиь
@jaggedSpire Hiiiyo.
@JerryCoffin Dearly noted~. Anything specific I should be using for PRNGs? o-o
@ThePhD hey :)
how've you been? classes going okay?
@ReousaAsteron std::mt{whatever}, like in the example here‌​.
@jaggedSpire Sobbing.
22:40
@ThePhD well that's no good :(
anything I can do to help?
@ReousaAsteron C++11 <random>
@ThePhD Thank you!
@StackedCrooked have you finished watching Boku dake ga inai machi :)?
@ReousaAsteron Just FWIW, that's "Duly noted". And yes, <random> (note that it has both generators and distribution classes to support things like a random integer between 1 and 10 or a random double between 0.0 and 1.0.
@ReousaAsteron Note: the way seeding is done here is less-than-ideal (only 32-bit of seed material), but it's still not worse than srand
22:44
@ScarletAmaranth Not yet.
@StackedCrooked what are you doing with your life
Shameless plug: My library seed11 (there are others too...) helps with seeding generators properly
@JerryCoffin @milleniumbug is seeding the problem with rand()? o-o
There are many problems with rand, seeding is only one of them
rand() is only problems
user1804599
22:50
Minecraft logic: boats faster on ice than on water.
I think I'm gonna write a list of problems with rand, dump it here, and then bookmark the convo
@milleniumbug mmm; "would you like to seed my generator" is my new pickup line
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@Zoidberg IIRC that got fixed in one of the recent snapshots
@ScarletAmaranth Only works if you've got a uterus
22:52
@ScarletAmaranth Nice one +1
@набиячлэвэлиь That escalated quickly
@Zoidberg Some ice boats are pretty fast. greenbird.co.uk
@JerryCoffin I like how that page breaks with flash disabled
even twitch doesn't quite work without Flash just yet
the irony is too damn high
For now you can have this @ReousaAsteron
Mar 16 at 19:54, by milleniumbug
@AdanRamirez many reasons: a.) only so many little possible seeds b.) it can return values from 0 to RAND_MAX, which isn't much c.) it can be as terrible as it can get (in fact, I'm pretty sure return 4; is a standard compliant implementation) d.) uses global state e.) non-reproducible across architectures and compilers f.) if you want anything more (uniform distributions, or heck, non-uniform ones) you need to invent your own mechanisms over it, which WILL be buggy.
@milleniumbug Fair enough
22:58
ugh, std::variant won't have recursive support out of the box? :(
not too soon, it seems
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Well, off to sleep
Goodnight everybody!
@ReousaAsteron G'night.
@melak47 std::variant will suck :P
Why the fuck isn't there any implementation of library sort to steal?
23:07
@Morwenn Because you haven't finished it yet?
@Griwes :((((
@JerryCoffin I haven't even started. There's already a paper that proves that it's n log n on average and another paper that proposes a derivative. But no implementation whatsoever.
@melak47 I would tell you to use reaver::variant, but there's still features missing... and I don't exactly have stable releases of the library it's in. :D
boost::variant will do for now I guess.
boost::variant also sucks :P
It might sucks less when you force the variadic implementation, I guess...
23:11
@Morwenn So I was right--if you haven't started, you obviously haven't finished...
@JerryCoffin You neither :(
@Morwenn True--but I don't much care about it.
23:26
I'll have to go with Griwes here. boost::variant also sucks.
@sehe 3 guys (at the airport) with all their intent, preparation and conviction. Managed to kill less than 4 people on average. A basic traffic light sees more action than that in its lifetime.
@CaptainGiraffe Yeah yeah. That's just downplaying the impact for no reason though
@Griwes indeed, also, it works. Which helps
I like boost variant quite a bit.
@sehe I apologise. But these were some spectacularly poor murderers.
I disagree
They could have been better. What's the point
@sehe Well reaver::variant also works :P
Just needs support for those pesky types that misbehave on moves.
23:34
Where's that at? Is it yours?
Again I apologise for my inconsiderate thoughts. But there has been a truism in movies for protecting the US president. "We can't protect the president against a suicidal killer" I seem to recall a similar statement was made when Reagan was shot.
I don't dispute it. I don't see a contradiction either.
Alright, long weekend starts for me.
Indeed, terrorism is possible.
23:37
And done with my first week of work.
What did you switch to, again?
@sehe Oh you didn't know? I got fired in December. And started a new job this week.
I remembered the first part. Was wondering about the details of the last
@Mysticial Hope you have a nice working environment, and nice people around you.
Time to cease to be awake.
23:40
I hope I'll do better this time. If I hit a brick wall again, I might as well give up and go back to tech. (Should it happen again, two strikes on the resume will make it impossible for me to get another job in the industry.)
hmmm
any of you guys used boost::asio?
@Morwenn Sleep well.
@Puppy A little, but not much.
@Morwenn Remember. We will be watching.
well
perhaps I'll give it a shot
Now, it's time to play with my newly upgraded AMD box.
23:42
@Mysticial Pray tell you went with NVidia?
@набиячлэвэлиь o_o
@Mysticial what dyu put in it?
@набиячлэвэлиь ...through the giant hole in the space time continuum sheet.
@Borgleader faster memory.
23:43
ah screw it
@Puppy of course
Mar 5 at 1:27, by Mysticial
I'm thinking of doing a 3 way upgrade.

Current Config:
- Haswell Box: 4 x 8 GB @ 1866 MHz
- AMD Box: 4 x 4 GB @ 1333 MHz

After Upgrade:
- Haswell Box: 4 x 8 GB @ 2400 MHz
- AMD Box: 4 x 8 GB @ 1866 MHz
@JerryCoffin This Council is pleased with your efforts, Commander Jerry. However, we believe there is... room for improvement.
@sehe Any experience using it to wait on Windows object handles?
I once.. no I can't tell it is way too embarrassing.
23:44
23 hours ago, by Mysticial
And my friend from college will inherit the memory from the slower box.
@CaptainGiraffe do it
@Mysticial neato burrito
@Puppy not much; should be possible. No fancies like waiting for many (atomically), I guess
32 GB of ram in my AMD box is enough to run builds and bench 5 billion digits of Pi.
k, you know the distance golden stuff you get for the motherboard. This was for my first 486.
23:45
> distance golden stuff
what
I haven't been able to do that since October 2013 when I first built it and temporarily had 32GB in it.
@набиячлэвэлиь yup wat
@Griwes are you planning on multi- or at least binary visitation (fmapitation?)
@CaptainGiraffe I've got my distance golden stuff right here.
the stuff that makes a distance between the mobo and the case.
23:46
@melak47 I didn't need it yet, so I didn't think about it yet.
...I think it should be possible to do that in a variadic manner.
@melak47 You've got me interested in doing that now. :D I'll probably try to do that at least partially sanely soon.
They are about a fingers width tall and you are supposed to attach your mobo to it. melak47 to the rescue.
@melak47 Those do not distance
23:48
I think that the hardest part will be writing proper SFINAE to disable those overloads when the passed function isn't properly callable...
@набиячлэвэлиь ...what? how don't they
Those provide the essential "holes" (for the lack of a better word) to screw the mobo screws in
I ignored them and had my precious 486 break in half.
It will require some recursion, of course, but... Hmm.
@CaptainGiraffe kuk
23:49
Yep kuk
@набиячлэвэлиь right. and they put distance between the mobo and the case, because they're tall?
@melak47 It's your fault if I encounter any compiler problems I didn't know about before while doing this. :D
@melak47 No, distance is not their primary objective, therefore they do not distance
@Griwes plz share
Compiler bugs are hilarious
When did I last not share a bug I encountered?
I recall sharing those absurd ICEs.
23:50
@Griwes We wouldn't know, now would we
Does anyone remember the Watcom compiler?
@набиячлэвэлиь is the Lounge not omniscient is that what you are saying
@CaptainGiraffe The wat? Com compiler?
@CaptainGiraffe yesh sort of. Never used it
Made c++ as fast as Fortran.
23:51
@Griwes The Lounge is merely a concept.
@набиячлэвэлиь what. their only purpose is exactly that. look at them, they're screws on one end, screw holes on the other. if you don't put those in, you can just screw the mobo into the holes you would've screwed these standoffs into...
It is this Council its members that make it omniescent
Indescribable. https://twitter.com/instarwars/status/713034805760376832
@melak47 clearly not, because the mobo broke in half
smooth af
23:52
It had a flash lightning on the box.
@набиячлэвэлиь Yep. In half. Well almost, there was a crack where the 486 should attach.
@набиячлэвэлиь :p
I had been working in a heavy factory to gather that money, and I just broke it trying to be thorough.
@Griwes Speak for yourself John Griwes.
@CaptainGiraffe :(
did you get a refund? it was clearly defective :D
@CaptainGiraffe Sure. Still available for free download, for those people who still want to do DOS [extender] programming (oh, and also now supports Linux).
23:59
@melak47 I think I did. I remember I cried a lot.

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