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00:01
For some definition of "special." https://twitter.com/StephanTLavavej/status/705542974164373504
I love his tweets :3
00:16
evenin'
@jaggedSpire Heeeey~ x3
@Morwenn <3
hey bby
It's the first time I use « x3 » in weeks if not months. Then I check the SO main page and there is a question about x3dom...
What have I dom? ç____ç
I wish C# had small string optimization. My program is eating memory like crazy due to millions of small strings.
@Morwenn the floof must flow
00:20
@jaggedSpire hai ~
@Nican Create a dedicated class.
@Borgleader Hi! :)
@Morwenn I could.
@Nican Well, if it's peerformance-critical, why not? :p
Also, liquid cats.
00:24
Argmugazgmergh, adding constexpr to cpp-sort would require to reimplement parts of <utility>, <iterator> and <functional>.
I guess it will be a issue then.
1 2 ^_^ /cc @Borgleader @Ell @ElimGarak @ThePhD @TonyTheLion @Ven @набиячлэвэлиь
5
@jaggedSpire awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww that baby fox
std::is_a_puddle
@Borgleader I just wanna cuddle him
00:45
Savant's Sustainer really has one of the best drops in the history of drops.
AHHHHHHHH
I just submitted my undergraduate research proposal
what is it?
DROP TABLE;
It's called ummm
oh I submitted the wrong title
whoops gotta fix that
00:51
@Borgleader Bobby DROP TABLE.
@JerryCoffin I hope they've learned to sanitize their database inputs
@jaggedSpire Schools teach. Learning is outside their purview.
Sad, I missed the conversation on subpixel tracking. Its among the few things I know :-(
> Developing a User-Friendly Bioinformatics Tool for Single-Cell RNA-Sequencing Analysis
^^ Hello
00:57
@VermillionAzure Have you see Sébastien Boisvert work? I was once a co-author on a paper with him.
I tried to superpose my face with that of my brother with an automagic face swap tool. I created a monster ç____ç
@Morwenn Maybe if you tried a picture with your hair back it'd work better...
Serioulsy, it's the most disturbing thing I've seen in a while.
I tried another but got « Sorry, we couldn't identify a human face ».
@Morwenn horror
Obligatory joke about looking in a mirror
01:05
@LucDanton with berserker or
@Mikhail If only...
@Mikhail Yeah, pretty much.
@HubertApplebaum lolno
@jaggedSpire q_q
@ThePhD isn't it so cute!
with its little fuzzy smile :)
and those ear tufts
@Mikhail huh?
01:17
>.>
Oh.
... Oh shit.
It's not morning.
Holy shit I thought I passed the whole fucking night away.
Somewhere
overslept?
@ThePhD Haha, far from it ^_^
I was like
DAMN Winter's REALLY made it dark this 8 AM- .... oooooooh.
.... oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh.....
Lmao. About to start making phonecalls in the dark of the night.
RIP me.
wow japan exchange starting to use blockchain o.o
01:20
For Bitcoin?
@ThePhD I wanted to post something funny so I googled « RIP you » but the first image I found depicted fellatio.
@ThePhD bitcoin-like blockchain for ledger yes
@Morwenn ... You... what?
Well, apparently the full text was « I'm gonna rip you're pants off...with my teeth ».
> Here's some more internet for you my friend.
Also that:
And... some other images I still can't explain.
01:24
lol so if I'm reading the transcript right now SJWs aren't a thing thanks Etienne
On the other hand, the first suggestion when you type this is « rip you a new arsehole », so...
> There is some phantastic work from Eric Niebler
> 1. Dated form of fantastic.
@Mikhail Interesting
But I kind of don't get which exact field he's doing
@Mikhail Okay, I think he does mostly sequencing and alignment of reads and stuff
That's kind of upstream from what I'm working on
@ThePhD How fucked up is your sleep cycle mate?
aligned reads are an absolute must for performance
01:35
@HubertApplebaum Uh... what
They're important for accuracy and interpretation of the raw data but it doesn't really affect the speeds of the process
oh but they are
on some platforms unaligned reads aren't even supported
on x86 they are, but they're slow
I'm talking about aligning DNA/RNA reads to genes or parts of a genome to count gene expression
not alignment of reads from memory
well you don't know what you're talking about clearly
itchy tail /cc @Borgleader @Ell @ElimGarak @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Ven @набиячлэвэлиь
unaligned reads hurt performance and that's a fact
no matter how much you deny it
01:39
Wow that was actually kinda lewd.
@HubertApplebaum I know but that wasn't what I was talking about...
@Mikhail Cool. Know anybody else?
that's one of the poorest excuse for being wrong I've heard all day
@HubertApplebaum I thought you meant aligned gene reads at first
why you can't just admit you were wrong and move on is beyond me
01:44
Uh... sure? I don't see where I was wrong since I wasn't talking about memory alignment when I was making that comment...
@VermillionAzure Your mistake was to feed the troll (and continue to do so).
@JerryCoffin Ah I see
guarding bunnies ear pull /cc @Borgleader @Ell @ElimGarak @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Ven @набиячлэвэлиь
@VermillionAzure wow the amount of contempt is unbelievable
great attitude to have in a scientific field btw
let's see how well that works out for you
spoiler: not very
@jaggedSpire Just let me cuddle a damn fox thing é__è
01:54
^_^
@Morwenn Samoyeds are better pets, and they want to cuddle you too.
I prefer foxes :/
@JerryCoffin so...fluffy O.O
Anyway, I guess I need to sleep now.
@Morwenn night
02:01
@Morwenn G'night.
@Morwenn night
Thanks :)
Listening to the same track for the nth time then I will leave :x
@jaggedSpire Just beware: if you own one, you get that fluff all over your house all the time... Still worth it.
@JerryCoffin Had a black lab/rough collie mix growing up. He'd leave dark patches on freshly vacuumed carpet when he lay down
I was finding his fur in my dorm room on the other side of the country for about a year after he died
I long to hug a fluffy puppy
@jaggedSpire I wanna guard bunnies :3
02:10
@Borgleader ^_^
@jaggedSpire Plenty available...
There are, but I live in an apartment
while that doesn't preclude a dog, I'd be leaving said dog indoors for 9 hours at a time
I do live closer to work now than I did, on the other hand
@jaggedSpire Yeah, that's not a good thing at all. Well, I guess it might be all right for some of the smaller, less active dogs, but ...
@JerryCoffin yeah. I'd certainly love my new friend, but as much as it may seem that way sometimes, dogs need more than love.
food, they also need food
02:13
:P
And a place to run and play
and a place to pee
get wardrobe, send to narnia
Get eaten by lion?
then I could have a talking dog
...What happens to the animals Lion Jesus eats, anyway?
does he only eat non-sentient animals?
how non-sentient do animals get in Narnia?
@jaggedSpire Am I allowed to guess that it's not really thought through a lot more thoroughly than most other religious texts?
@JerryCoffin lol
Actually I live about 15 minutes away from work now.
02:20
i envy you so fucking much
It's not incredibly close, but if I came home to let a dog out over lunch, and took thirty at home for my lunch, I would probably be able to deal with it.
@Borgleader yeah, it's a nice improvement over my previous 50 minutes in the car every day
15 min <<<< 1h50 min
T_T
...wow
you have a two hour commute?
lol
and work 6h a day or what
02:22
do they let you work from home at least?
or work a 4/10 week
no, i leave the house at 5h30, get to work at 7h20, leave at 4h or 4h40 and get home at 5h50 or 6h30 pm
do they allow visitors to tap on the glass
can they throw you peanuts
im on the 5th floor, so good luck to them
@LucDanton that seems cruel
why do you live so far away from work, if I may ask?
02:25
because i got a job far from where i currently live
is all
i need new accomodations
but living near work iss expensive as fuck
I recommend a place closer to work
not necessarily 15 minutes because St. Louis is a rust belt city with a depopulation problem and I assume your location isn't
also a corruption, rac(e|ism), murder and general crime problem but that's neither here nor there
@Borgleader that's sad
I shed a single tear
can't afford the water bill otherwise
on the other hand I pay $900/month for a 800 sq foot apartment so I've got that going for me
1100$ for a single room in a flat share and that's because my rent is going down!
eeegh
it has a bedroom I don't even know what to do with. I was gonna turn it into an office but my bedroom is still mostly empty
02:33
Mistyped pop_later as pop_hater. Weird typo :p
did a pop do something to you as a child?
do you have a vendetta against all sodakin?
@jaggedSpire that doesnt seem so bad, ive seen ads for appts near work (like 3 min away on foot) and its like 1400$ a month for a 4 1/2
anyway, time for nops
its friday tomorrow, and i need to be rested to face the cold
@Borgleader night
@Borgleader May you find warmth in your bed <3
03:07
@Borgleader Nighty night, sleep tight.
Also, my docs are getting gooood.
03:40
@StackedCrooked Freudian slip
if (!socket) {
    throw std::invalid_argument("socket may not be null");
}
feels like writing C#
04:02
University is really weird. For one of my classes, by the time I'm finished assignments, there's no time to study. The other classes are fairly manageable though
04:12
Totally I'm in chaos because I have no Idea what I using for my game engine between exception and error code.
Tell me a little more
I want to design my game engine more modernly-C++
It's quite hard to explain..
Alright, so what do you have in your game engine right now, and what error are you getting?
I want to design my game engine using modern C++ technique and using many of C++ features.
It's just a worry about throw an error. Currently, the game engine just return a error code.
Which error code?
04:17
But I think it's not good for programmer. because program has crash when program throw the exception. but Error Code isn't
@TerNer Welcome to the club.
Hello
@Aaron3468 Just like HRESULT.
I'm really not good for english so It's quite difficult to explain..
Can you show the code?
How can I post a code here?
It makes a link to code. Paste the code in
04:26
Currently my game engine just return error code to notify an error occured to programmer.
SO not working?

400 Bad Request

cloudflare-nginx
Anything I'm missing?
@SashaMN 4XX. Your bad.
It's fine with mine.
@Aaron3468 But I think exception is more efficient and effective to use
@ThePhD An "r" in what should presumably say "primitive"?
04:33
@TerNer Exceptions are easier to keep track of.
@JerryCoffin Ah, righty-o.
@TerNer Many IDE help you find exceptions
@Aaron3468 Oh I see, thanks for help :)
@ThePhD dignity
@HubertApplebaum Probably.
04:39
that being said
I still have to use all 9 frameworks and figure out what they have.
why do you have rows without checkmarks
oh you didn't try the others yet ok
I've only filled in mine and kaguya.
Er, well
IN my current version of this table.
In the final version, I won't be able to check off inheritance.
Because it's too problematic to do with overloading.
I even have a bikeshed issue up on Gitsmub
wow
if you start going this way you need a proper type system
Yeah, right? =/
Overloading was simple to do because it was just dumb direct matching.
But EVERY OTHER FRAMEWORK HAS INHERITANCE (but not overloading).
It's driving me up the fuggin' wall.
04:45
What if you just add inheritance?
yeah but how sophisticated is their inheritance
(ps it's subtyping not inheritance)
Their "inheritance" is having to explicitly mark base classes
My kind of inheritance would be infinitely scaling for 0 effort.
then do it
But... but then I run into the problem with the bikeshed. :<
I mean if it's that simple (just a graph of bases?)
04:46
what would the performance penalty be of implementing it?
If it's really just that (no multiple inheritance even) then it's super easy
The performance penalty would be making it so overload resolution is always Worst Case.
(If I wanted to do it properly)
If I make it first-come-first-serve, there's no penalty.
Could you just implement a toggle between simple inheritance and perfect inheritance? Like, turning your binding into a state machine
Worst Case is: SUM(N Functions, Function_Arity * Type Check Expense)
present average complexity?
04:50
Same worst case, but we have short-circuiting and compile-time-arity tree elimination.
So on average we're spending maybe 1, 2 type checks.
well you can memoize all that anyway
I don't know what that is. ;~;
caching if you will
for each (overload_set, type) there's always 1 best match right?
so you don't need to recompute it everytime
Right, but you only know the types at run ti- ooooh you mean get all the types from lua and then create a map<type_list, function>.
I haven't done that yet, no.
add on todo list
04:54
Unfortunately, I can't do that exactly.
I mean, I can do that ROUGHLY, but when lua says "this is a userdata", it could be A*, B*, doge&, etc...
So I can't cache exactly, but I can at least generate a map<type_list, only_possible_functions> kind of list.
05:30
@ScarletAmaranth haven't seen it yet. probably tonight.
05:49
Lol
If I want to implement inheritance
I need to start using type_info
Fuck that bullshit noise.
06:09
Nighty night.
06:28
^ This sums up my life during my marriage.
 
2 hours later…
08:07
> Using union types is like driving around in a brand new Ferrari with your mother-in-law in the passenger seat.
Worst analogy 2016 award
Ven
Ven
08:22
well well
hi hubert.
@Morwenn me too :[
@HubertApplebaum who left you alone so long !? Who knows what could happen to you, due to your old age and your senility
Ven
Ven
bon d'ailleurs on est le 4 mars je trouve que tu traînes un peu voila j'aime pas trop le travail mal fait
user1804599
@HubertApplebaum I like it. You take a wonderful concept but fuck up its implementation.
user1804599
@JerryCoffin I don't believe in global warming being caused by humans.
Ven
Ven
omg, there are questions in
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08:58
> Cinch may refer to an open source MVVM framework for .NET available in a WPF and Silverlight flavor or a ruby based IRC bot framework.
Looks like both must be terrible. Carry on.
Ven
Ven
Better than having refugees rape and destroy all over Germany ;) @isotrumpp @BrendanEich @meetingcpp
much C++ related.
mlem /cc @jaggedSpire
09:17
wow wow easy there with the generalizations, not all rapists are refugees
Ven
Ven
Just look at this fucktard's avatar
@HubertApplebaum unions are like the whales of the in-laws
no but seriously
what's wrong with union types
they always want more, you raise their salaries as the ask and then they want less hours for the same pay
Ven
Ven
@HubertApplebaum they're untagged, obviously.
09:29
where is the kick button
Ven
Ven
why do you want to kick me :(
luc crouton not you
Ven
Ven
il te l'a mise danton, luc.
wouldn't be the first
Bwuh.
09:36
@Zoidberg Just found this gem on reddit:
while (true) {
  try {
    return;
  } finally {
    continue;
  }
}
Ven
Ven
who did that
Ven
Ven
@fredoverflow #disgusted
Why aren't free function pointers convertible to void*
This is horseshit.
Because data pointers may not have the same size as code pointers?
09:42
Why would there ever be a pointer to a place in executable code that's larger than the addressable memory?
I bet there was a weird mode on 386 where code was limited to 64k but data wasn't.
@fredoverflow terrible :/
Hey
Question
Is it okay to use a unrelated type's pointer as a form of transport?
09:47
What is "transport"?
Are you writing a generic C library or what?
void foo (int* x) {
   unrelated_t* u = static_cast<unrelated_t*>(static_cast<void*>(&x));
}

foo (static_cast<int*>(static_cast<void*>(&unrelated)));
Why would you want to do that?
@ThePhD You can cast void * only to the original type.
@ThePhD no
09:49
@fredoverflow Because C Library.
Everything else is literally Hitler.
Well, that's booty.
How am I supposed to get this to work, then?
I can't fit a function pointer inside of a void*, I can't use one of the predefined interfaces to sneak a value through...
void* is the way to go in C.
@Borgleader Get to bed.
@ThePhD Don't use terrible APIs.
09:52
@ThePhD Just wrap the function pointer in a struct and point to that?
@fredoverflow But I can't cast a void* to a function pointer!
@Griwes If only I lived in whimsical fairy land.
@fredoverflow So just have an idiot dummy struct, then?
But who deallocates that?
Just make it static.
You only need one per function, anyway.
... But I'm calling it through a this pointer...?
Isn't that illegal at some point..?
What do you mean, this pointer? Didn't you say free functions?
Ven
Ven
he lied!
09:53
Yes, but if I store a pointer to a struct, I still have to deref that struct on the other side, no?
Sure, but why is that a problem involving this?
Because the struct is going to die?
static structs don't die.
... Oh. Right.
Thank you for rubber-ducking with fredoverflow today.
Ven
Ven
09:57
does it finally make sense? :P
lol Java champion
I bet Java champions run a full GC cycle in less than 10 seconds.
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@Ven yeah... Note my edit too:
Always include the actual compiler error message. "// not working" is hilariously uninformative — sehe 47 secs ago

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