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2:00 PM
needs to be typedef no?
 
just for decoration
 
user1804599
Why would you do something awful like that?
 
anyway it works for is_ only, there's many traits
 
what?
 
@MadameElyse It's C++ vOv
 
user1804599
2:00 PM
Yes, that's what my question was about.
 
@melak47 you'd need other verbs
@MadameElyse we have to fit some vendor tech
 
sure, just add more alias...es? alii?
 
@slaphappy Is it supposed to motivate me to join your team?
 
We're taking it way too far but they won't listen to me
write everything in C++, they say
@Rerito I'm not the boss vOv
 
just template<class id, class T> using is_ = T; should be enough, actually.
 
2:02 PM
Yeah but if you want to fire people it means they're not really good dudes
 
like I said
imo in the IT team there's people who really suck
 
Ven
phantom types \:3/
 
@melak47 not just enough, necessary. you can't bind to a downcast.
 
o ya
 
user1804599
 
2:04 PM
anyway, I don't think the comment 'splaining what the parameter is for i so bad :p
 
@slaphappy still working at honni soit brice couturier ?
 
@HubertApplebaum yeah, and we're hiring rerito hopefully
 
neat :D
 
user1804599
@Ven what type of phantom are you?
 
also still no gpu jobs or offers in HK?
 
Ven
2:05 PM
@MadameElyse naughty
 
user1804599
naughty phantom
 
@HubertApplebaum lol gpu here
 
user1804599
the phantom agony is a great song
 
@HubertApplebaum we only recently discovered networking
sockets
 
@HubertApplebaum what about in SK?
 
2:06 PM
@HubertApplebaum there's a quant opening but I guess you're not too much into multi underlying volatility models
 
@slaphappy lmao
 
@slaphappy I would be interested if it wasn't so mathematical.
 
I know BNP and ING have a pricing team that does GPU
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion a saw an ad today about traveling to South Korea.
 
@slaphappy I can count to potato
 
user1804599
2:07 PM
in Amsterdam
 
@TonyTheLion It's interesting I think, but they want people with experience in the domain.
 
@HubertApplebaum that sounds interesting.
 
@набиячлэвэлиь is it winter now?
 
@TonyTheLion IOW people currently working at a competitor's :P
 
@slaphappy Then I'm definitely not the right candidate
 
2:08 PM
@HubertApplebaum leave HK fool
 
@slaphappy :P
 
@HubertApplebaum ING?
 
So going to be doing a phone interview with that place in Amsterdam :\
 
user1804599
> Mati365 added torvalds to Mati365/Soccer.js
 
@slaphappy its a Dutch bank
 
user1804599
2:08 PM
TIL Linus likes soccer.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion and BNP is a French bank
 
@TonyTheLion I know, I know traders there. It's just that it's not renowned for its tech
 
@thecoshman It's currently normal time (a.k.a. winter (a.k.a. +1))
 
@slaphappy Is there any bank renowned for its tech?
I thought banks were like years behind mostly in the tech dept
 
user1804599
BNP Pays-Bas
 
2:09 PM
@TonyTheLion Yes, BNP, Goldman
 
ah ok
 
BNP is notorious in Paris for being high-tech
Sometimes it gets ridiculous though
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion They are what cause a new COBOL standard to be released every once in a while.
 
They're hiring go programmers
 
@slaphappy I'm sure Elyse is interested
 
user1804599
2:10 PM
Go is great.
 
user1804599
I love Go.
 
Ell
but but generics
 
user1804599
I wouldn't want to work for a horrible place like a bank though.
 
Ven
but sanity
 
@MadameElyse they'd probably pay you quite well
in return for torture :P
 
2:11 PM
no bank would hire a hipster like you
 
Ven
@MadameElyse which is why I love BNP <3
 
wow torvalds also starred his own repos
 
user1804599
@Ell Give me a language that has all of: Go's concurrency features, Go's network library, Go's I/O library, and generics, and then we can talk.
 
what a narcissist
 
@milleniumbug must keep that ego caressed
 
Ell
2:11 PM
@MadameElyse here you go
wtf elyse
you dropped the language I just gave you
now it is smashed on the floor never to be seen again
 
@slaphappy in Asia too
 
user1804599
Generics are the least of my worries.
 
Ven
#disgusted
 
they're very good tech-wise
 
Ell
what is the difference between goroutines and coroutines?
 
2:12 PM
g-c
 
Ven
@Ell the first one has a "g" as a first letter
 
@Ell a bad cold.
 
user1804599
I need Go's concurrency features, Go's network library, and Go's I/O library harder than I need generics.
 
@MadameElyse you love all languages
 
user1804599
@Ell "Goroutines" is a particular implementation of threads. Stackful coroutine = thread.
 
Ven
2:13 PM
no, elyse only loves php
 
user1804599
@thecoshman No. I hate JavaScript.
 
@MadameElyse you have to love it's plucky spirit
 
Ell
threads are not cooperatively scheduled though right?
 
user1804599
"Thread" and "stackful coroutine" are the same interface. "Goroutine" is an implementation of the interface "thread".
 
user1804599
Scheduling and threading are completely orthogonal.
 
user1804599
2:15 PM
"OS thread" is a different implementation of the interface "thread" with different use cases.
 
user1804599
"Lua coroutine" is yet another one.
 
um
usually the term thread is used in opposition with coroutine though
 
Well that was a rather angry day I've had
 
Ven
you can compile idris to erlang. that's far superior to go.
 
everything is stupid and shit and backwards
 
user1804599
2:16 PM
A thread is a sequence of synchronous operations together with a program counter. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Ell
meh I prefer my definition
 
Meh, there are many different uses of the word thread
 
@HubertApplebaum thread worm is the best
 
@CharlesW If you're looking for a parser that works with something that is not JSON, then you're not looking for a JSON parser. — Biffen 7 mins ago
kek
 
Ven
@MadameElyse use haskell, its concurrency features are lovely
 
user1804599
2:17 PM
No, they're terrible.
 
user1804599
No bounded channels and select statements = no fun.
 
Ell
well, I prefer using thread and coroutine to disambiguate between preemptive and cooperative
 
@Ven don't be stupid
 
Ven
@thecoshman don't speak too loud, you'll get us in barktrouble
 
if you want functional and concurrency, Erlang
 
2:19 PM
@Ell that's a reasonable definition
 
Ven
Oh yeah, erlang. it has great generics -_-
 
sure it does
 
user1804599
Erlang is torture.
 
Ell
erlang is yacky man
 
user1804599
No, it doesn't. Languages with only one type don't have generics.
 
Ell
2:19 PM
what type does it have?
 
user1804599
The type of everything.
 
@MadameElyse you say one, I say all you need XD
 
Ell
I thought it had 0 types
 
Ven
untyped, unityped, bityped, pantyped, #disgustyped.
that's what dynamically typed programming languages have
 
user1804599
transtyped
 
2:20 PM
You can't have 0 types
 
user1804599
@Ell you can't have 0 types, you always have at least 1
 
Ven
@HubertApplebaum of course you can. you just won't be able to many (m)any programs with it. :D
 
doesn't Elixer add proper type system?
 
Ven
@thecoshman not. one. bit.
 
2:20 PM
I heard elixir is nice
 
Ven
it is. except for elyse, who hates it, because it exists
 
user1804599
@thecoshman No.
 
what else is there on the ErlangVM?
 
user1804599
@thecoshman LFE and Mercury
 
Ven
a few lisp variants (like LFE)
 
2:21 PM
summary please
 
user1804599
Mercury is the only one that targets BEAM that I know of that is typed.
 
nice
 
user1804599
@thecoshman LFE is a lisp. Mercury is a purely functional logic programming language.
 
Ven
and thus unusable
 
user1804599
It's lovely. You should try it.
 
2:22 PM
"geared towards real-world applications" that's code for 'shit' isn't it?
 
I think I've done gone raised my blood pressure in frustration
 
user1804599
No, it's true.
 
Ell
I wish java had friend
and many other features
 
user1804599
The only problem is that its ecosystem is smaller than the reciprocal of your mom.
 
2:24 PM
@mad are you praising LFE here?
 
Ven
@MadameElyse at some point. Right now I'm learning Objective-C, next J, and on the side Pyth and GolfScript.
 
mad elyse
 
user1804599
@thecoshman No, Mercury.
 
user1804599
@Ven Objective-C and Mercury use the same file extension, so that's great!
 
user1804599
main(!IO) :-
	Answer + 1 = 43,
	io.format("Answer = %d\n", [i(Answer)], !IO).
 
user1804599
2:27 PM
This is why logic programming is cool.
 
Ven
@MadameElyse lol
If you want a cool logic programming example, show list append.
 
@MadameElyse yeah, it looks nice, but looks don't matter much
@MadameElyse that is strange...
 
user1804599
LFE gives you all the readability of lisp with all the type-safety and ease of deployment of Erlang.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman = is bidirectional :D
 
user1804599
Another nice thing is that a function can result in many values.
 
2:30 PM
@MadameElyse well of course
 
user1804599
p(X) :- (X = 1 ; X = 2 ; X = 3).
 
user1804599
Nondeterministic.
 
user1804599
You can ask for all combinations.
 
static_cast<int32_t>(uint32_t(-1)); // will this cause signed integer overflow?
 
user1804599
@Ven easy
 
user1804599
2:34 PM
list.append([], Ys, Ys).
list.append([X | Xs], Ys, [X | Zs]) :- list.append(Xs, Ys, Zs).
 
Ven
and cool
 
user1804599
> expected URL, got non-URL
 
@MadameElyse best error messages NA
 
Ven
bestest*
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
2:38 PM
New logo of The Hague.
 
user1804599
It's so awful.
 
@MadameElyse lol, it is.
 
user1804599
They should've only used the first font and colour.
 
user1804599
Then it'd be nice.
 
user1804599
Typographical catastrophe.
3
 
2:40 PM
topographical cat-ass-trophy
 
@MadameElyse It takes inspiration from having a mess of a sewer system, I suppose
You're not making much sense. If you have to ask the question you clearly should not be writing the C parser here. As is the question is too broad to be answered. The most valuable hints are in the first comments. — sehe 38 secs ago
Can we have some close votes there?
 
Is Robot taking a break from Lounge btw?
 
Yes. This much is easily observed without further interaction
 
What is the motive?
 
user1804599
Writing a C parser.
 
user1804599
2:42 PM
Sounds like a job for @fredoverflow.
 
user1804599
> Then you can do various things within the monad, but you can never "get out".
 
user1804599
Wrong. This is true only for some monads.
 
Ven
some run slower, and you can actually outrun them
 
user1804599
It's time to write a JavaScript code generator. :D
 
@MadameElyse this is a terrible, terrible comparison
 
user406009
2:46 PM
@MadameElyse Are you trying to write yet another C to JS compiler?
 
transpiler
 
user1804599
@Lalaland Where did you get the C part from?
 
user406009
4 mins ago, by Madame Elyse
Writing a C parser.
 
user1804599
C++ compileofshit
 
user1804599
5 mins ago, by sehe
You're not making much sense. If you have to ask the question you clearly should not be writing the C parser here. As is the question is too broad to be answered. The most valuable hints are in the first comments. — sehe 38 secs ago
 
Ven
2:47 PM
@Lalaland look at @sehe's messages
 
@MadameElyse this is like saying "files are like doors because you need to open them before doing the next thing"
 
user1804599
And then you can never get out of them.
 
45 secs ago, by Madame Elyse
5 mins ago, by sehe
You're not making much sense. If you have to ask the question you clearly should not be writing the C parser here. As is the question is too broad to be answered. The most valuable hints are in the first comments. — sehe 38 secs ago
 
user1804599
@Ven Do you know what is called the Haskell equivalent of escodegen?
 
And the request for "too broad" c/v
 
user406009
2:48 PM
@MadameElyse You might want to look into llvm's IR. Then you can use the emscripten backend.
 
@Morwenn It lists toolsets, and 'gcc' is described as "Includes support for Cygwin and MinGW compilers." idk what else you need
 
user406009
And compile for native on many different architectures at the same time.
 
@MadameElyse you need a handle for doors, and you also have file handles, so obviously they work the same, so when you have a virus, you should use gloves to touch your file handles
 
user1804599
Why the fuck would use something as horrible as LLVM to feed the output of that to emscripten to generate JS when I can just much more easily and efficiently generate JS directly instead?
 
user1804599
2:49 PM
I'd also have to implement a garbage collector.
 
@MadameElyse easily?
 
I swear I hear this every month
 
user1804599
And be concerned with all sorts of low-level crap.
 
user1804599
@slaphappy Generating JS code is easy, yes.
 
user1804599
Generating LLVM IR is not. Huge library with lots of UB, assertions, and unstable APIs. Also very low-level.
 
2:50 PM
Sep 23 '13 at 7:58, by not-rightfold
That would be most useful in my garbage collector.
 
user406009
Oh, I didn't know you needed a garbage collector.
 
Feb 8 '14 at 18:16, by rightfold
I think it is time to implement a garbage collector.
Dec 11 '14 at 11:15, by rightføld
Anyone in the mood to implement a garbage collector?
 
user1804599
Also makes JS interop much more difficult.
 
Feb 2 '15 at 18:13, by рытфолд
All this RAII crap reminds me, I should implement my garbage collector.
 
@MadameElyse oh right missing bits here. generating from what?
 
2:51 PM
and so on
 
That quality stalking
 
@HubertApplebaum in scala you can implement a garbage collector
 
Nov 27 '15 at 18:14, by Elyse
I am going to implement a garbage collector.
Implementing a garbage collector regularly for rightfold is p much equivalent to eating cereals in the morning for everyone else
11
 
user1804599
While you eat serial, my GCs collect in parallel.
 
2:52 PM
morning -funroll-loops
 
now with extra pantoona
3
 
@Morwenn And it's been like that forever
 
user1804599
 
No!
@HubertApplebaum Love it. This meme should never die
 
memes live forever
 
2:55 PM
@slaphappy 11/10
 
user1804599
> Wilders: ‘Als het kabinet gelyncht wordt, hoop ik dat het geweldloos gebeurt’
PVV-leider wil bloedige vierendeling ministers voorkomen
 
user1804599
lol
 
@HubertApplebaum Their meaning dies with the last one forgetting
@MadameElyse well played
 
user1804599
> Teleurgestelde NS-fans bedreigen conducteur
 
user1804599
This is so great.
 
2:56 PM
Good [whatever part of the day you're in] everyone
I am looking for a synonym of `writing` applied to code
carrying the idea that it has been poorly written
the sentence i need to fill is
You can assume that the guy who ------ the code was most likely doing drug at the time
 
@HubertApplebaum Didn't get the joke
 
Ell
@Ar3s "writing" is fine
 
Ven
@MadameElyse Language.Javascript?
 
user1804599
@Ar3s "wrote"
 
Ell
I write code
you write code
 
user1804599
2:57 PM
@Ven Ok. :3
 
@Ar3s "You can assume that the guy who spit/shat the code..."
 
but "write" does not carry the idea of slopiness I intend to transmit
spat sound nice !!!
 
Ven
@slaphappy the code deletes itself?
 
sounds*
thanks @rerito
 
Ven
@Ell we both suck
 
Ell
2:59 PM
the sad facts of life :(
What is non-newline whitespace called?
hmm
 
Actually, no beer @slaphappy :(. My gf wants me to get home ASAP after the interview (she's sick - literally)
 
[^\n] ? :S
 
@Rerito One of rightfold's previous nickname was written in cyrillic (рытфолд) but kinda reads as "pantoona"
oldmeme
 
@HubertApplebaum Yeah I got it afterwards
 
@HubertApplebaum It's "rajtfold", dumb-dumb
 
3:05 PM
@Rerito aw shit. well anyway the weather is extra shitty so
 
Ven
calm down you netbeans juck.
 
@slaphappy Yeah, do you know why the ratp dudes are on strike?
 
@Rerito get around here sometime, though, cause I'd like you to meet the team in a more informal setting
 
Ven
@MadameElyse how do you run tests with stack?
 
To protest against the dudes from goodyear who ended up in jail
 
Ven
3:06 PM
@Rerito because they can – as usual.
Putain de RER C hier, un par heure -_-.
 
@Rerito They got a badyear?
 
@Ven Tu dois prendre le rer C, mes condoléances lol
 
Ven
@Rerito en général je peux éviter. et encore, c'est mieux que A/B/D.
 
le A c fiable ça va
 
Ven
mdr nn. tro 2 suissid
 
3:08 PM
@slaphappy I fear the SSII guys are trying to bugger me thou
 
Ell
horizontal whitespace
 
@Ell Also excludes VT, IIRC
 
Ell
vertical tab?
yeah idk what they actually do :V I've never used one or seen one
 
@Rerito of course they are
@Rerito what??
there's a strike?
 
3:19 PM
Yes RER A and B
 
@Rerito what did you expect
did you ask for help from oguz?
 
@slaphappy The guy told me classic stuff like "we've got people with the same background as yours, we cannot pay you more blablabla" to which I answered it's their problem if they don't negotiate their wage
J'lui ai fait le coup de l'équivalent brut à l'envers aussi
 
what is that
 
@Rerito maybe you should seek an offer somewhere else
@HubertApplebaum c'est quand tu le retournes et tu lui met brut
 
user1804599
@Ven stack test
 
3:25 PM
@HubertApplebaum You know you tell your current salary is like Xk€/year gross
 
@Rerito if it's starting to go sideways you can talk to itquants. they're not greedy, but it's not a real company :p
 
user1804599
Lol this woman asked a guy to paint her window frame and he made a painting of her window frame.
 
And then the give you that crap: "with our package, you have a base salary of X-5k/year gross, but the advantages amount for blablabla you end up with X+2k gross equivalent!"
Hint: most of the advantages are legal obligations :')
 
Yes I see
 
user1804599
@slaphappy I'll install the old Minecraft map again.
 
3:27 PM
I had that at an SSII interview
So what do you mean by "à l'envers"
 
So I did it backwards, yes but you know I've got this and that and in the end my gross equivalent would be blabla
(And that gives quite a boosted figure)
 
VeryUseullTool(TM) of the day: purge-ppa
 
The guy tells me we give you 5 to 6€ per day to eat blabla. It's the law I mean don't bullshit me dude!
And from that I even added "Oh that reminds me, I didn't include the tickets restau in my previous salary estimation, you can add 1k5 to it"
 
Reminds me of that company who offered me a job at la défense and I said "guys you realize your salary doesn't even compensate for the difference in living cost between rennes and paris"
 
user1804599
3:29 PM
@slaphappy it generated the perfect world!
 
Then they said "yeah but you're a fresh grad"
yeah but I'm not dumb enough to move to paris to lose money y'know
"yeah but you're a fresh grad"
ok bye
 
Lol typical SSII stuff
 
@Rerito i'm stealing that btw
 
The worst I got is the "we have a unique wage policy we give you that much when you're a fresh grad." Ok so my previous exp and my academic course are irrelevant
You should have seen the guy's face
Moreover I was dressed like shit
 
as usual
 
3:31 PM
Jean, sneakers, picsou t-shirt "no money no future" lmao
And of course, lot of hair (@slaphappy can testify on that point)
 
Aww fuck that was supposed to go in a search.
 
at least you haven't typed in your password like I did once
 
@milleniumbug maybe that is his password
 
@melak47 Prolly not
 
3:42 PM
At least it wasnt some filthy pr0n (too bad)
 
lol: 'Stackoverflow stopped working properly in chrome'
.....
'I don't think it is caused by chrome itself'
 
@MartinJames link or you're making this up
 
0
Q: Stackoverflow stopped working properly in chrome

ArchegFor some reason stackoverflow stopped working for me in Chrome. I can't comment (when I press add comment it just scrolls to the upper part of the page), the achievements button shows nothing first time I press it, and when I try again it shows info, but it is misplaced. I tried it on several c...

 
Other relevant serendipity: HipChat ain't half bad
/cc @thecoshman
 
@MartinJames kekful
 
3:45 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь Yeah:)
 
Ven
lolwat from my colleague: "if I move this code to another class, then it's gonna use the thread_id the class was created with instead of the current one"
(PSA: no it doesn't use thread_local or any shenanigan like that)
 
o.O
 
user1804599
@Ven lol
 
@Ven Take to woodshed and hit them with a stack.
 
user1804599
Tell him "classes are created prior to compile time hth"
 
3:46 PM
@Ven Insert .308 Winchester into skull at high velocity.
 
It's actuallly surprising/frightening how many devs think that any function/method call can change thread context:(
 
@HubertApplebaum It's true - seen it many times:(
 
gahhhh I fixed a bug and broke something else in the process
 
@TonyTheLion Meh - dog bites man:)
 
user1804599
3:49 PM
lol, somebody is selling paracetamol ice cream against hangovers during carnival
 
Typical debugging happens all the time :p
 
@MadameElyse Get a whole tub down you and kill your liver.
 
very helpful
way too hard to achieve using just the alcohol
@HubertApplebaum yup. I get that reflex some times. Indeed, being stoic about it sometimes reveals that that was ~just a line~ they tried. Otherwise, yeah, move on
@Ven what a great opportunity to teach!
 
Ven
@sehe I did. I didn't laugh. It's just too often
 
@sehe the guy was not much older than I (probably by 6 years or so)
 

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