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20:00
@Ell I actually just literally translated the French word for kidney beans.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're right.
Ell
Ell
Ah I see
Red bean is a common name for several plants and may refer to: Edible legumes Azuki bean (Vigna angularis), commonly used in Japanese, Korean and Chinese cuisine, particularly as red bean paste Kidney bean, red variety of Phaseolus vulgaris, commonly used in Indian and North American cuisine, such as "chili con carne" and "red beans and rice" Vigna umbellata, a species of legume whose seeds are red Trees Dysoxylum rufum, a rainforest tree in the Mahogany family Dysoxylum mollissimum subsp. molle, a rainforest tree...
apparently it's a thing in english anyway though
@Morwenn These are delicious, I should cook a chili sometimes
@EtiennedeMartel Yeh but what about JPG artefacts?
@Rerito Yeah, but then you're full real fast (damn, I want a chili now).
20:01
@fredoverflow The lack of protein made me lazy.
@Morwenn Don't underestimate my appetite
@EtiennedeMartel Stop eating all that contein and the protein should come back!
@Rerito Ever tried to eat a burger with a seasoned kidney beans steak? That's totally awesome :D
I ate a tofu banh mi the other day. It was quite delicious.
I've never heard of banh mi.
20:05
@Morwenn banh mi from the chat
3
j/k
dont, plz
user1804599
@Xeo I can't imagine a non-vegetarian cake.
rip borgleader
user1804599
who puts meat in cake
user1804599
looks fucking disgusting
Xeo
Xeo
20:06
@Elyse maybe twas actually vegan. can't remember
@Morwenn It's a vietnamese sandwhich.
user1804599
:(
@Elyse Right. It looks like something from the 60s~70s.
@EtiennedeMartel Pain d'mie ? :D
Oh, right. It looks just like a regular sandwich.
user1804599
I just had pears.
user1804599
no
@Tony​yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
ban him!
@Morwenn Nope I'll have to trust you on this one ^^
Another election? Didn't we just have one?
20:14
Edible jello aquarium. That's some pretty hardcore food.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Would you marry me?
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's a good video to get meat lovers to go cold turkey
@R.MartinhoFernandes that channel is so... american
It's awesome.
that's racist
20:16
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's really not.
that channel is much better (random video of theirs)
it's actual food, not just "let's make something shitty but really big"
Let's see if Vlad runs for moderator. Since he had some interest in that for the Russian SO.
@thecoshman Meh, cooking shows.
@R.MartinhoFernandes meh, shit shows
@Borgleader too late
'I was in the javascript chat room' .... next.... — Martin James 13 mins ago
20:19
@Mysticial they can have russian SO
@thecoshman Dunno, when you said that one was much better I was expecting some comedy channel.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, emt is meant to be funny?
user1804599
Oh cool, elections.
user1804599
Sad I don't go by Zoidberg anymore.
Coor!
user1804599
20:23
I'd nominate myself with just the text "Why not Zoidberg?"
Thanks for spelling that out, bubba
Ell
Ell
^this is my favourite cooking channel
lol just earned 666 points in l4d
user1804599
H2CO3 from Moscow.
Ell
Ell
20:27
I've only ever had japanese food once
@Mysticial Mucho, mucho flags :p
Election?
Nooble2016.
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My comment did not go down well: 'Please tell me more about Mornington Crescent and my problem'.
@JonClements s/l//
Also good afternoon.
20:32
@Nooble My overhauling of Gaem is going good
I'm mostly adapting what I did with Cwepper
Might even go multi-threaded here
user406009
@набиячлэвэлиь Don't. It's a trap.
user406009
Or at the very least don't have shared mutable state.
@Lalaland I know
@Lalaland Buncha mutices in Cwepper just for changing screens
But that's mostly it
It's the only data that might get simultaneously changed by both threads
@Elyse could not think of a name ^
named it monads instead of misc :)
user1804599
lol
user1804599
20:35
misleading
user406009
@JohanLarsson Should have called it Gonads.
Endofunctors
user406009
I know the perfect solution for making Haskell more popular. Rename Monads to Gonads. The resulting drama would result it in becoming one of the most talked about programming languages.
I really don't know what all this fuss around monads is
@Lalaland Rename Monads to Dontdothatads
20:37
you can implement monadic behaviour in C++, people have done that unknowingly too, and noone has complained there
user406009
@ScarletAmaranth It's because monads are a horrible abstraction to understand at first.
user406009
You can only truly understand them by using them.
When I hear "Monads" I think of Barket. That's the real problem here
user1804599
updateMoles :: World -> World
updateMoles w = w'
    where w' = w & worldMoles %~ (>>= maybeToList . updateMole)
user1804599
Monad-specific operators are hidden inside this code! Find them!
user406009
20:39
>>=
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:(
@Lalaland you generalize too much :P
user406009
Well, I was only able to understand monads after I had to use promises.
then maybe you don't understand monads
user406009
There's a pretty distinct possibility of that. I am after all, an idiot.
20:42
who isn't
@Lalaland Naaah
You ain't VermillonAzure
user406009
Also, Haskell uses horrible operations to define monads.
user406009
The much simpler definitions are fmap and flatten.
user406009
where fmap does (a -> b) -> M a -> M b
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and flatten does M (M a) -> M a
20:43
except for flatten really doesn't flatten anything
@JonClements Just curious. How much chat moderation have you been doing lately? A little? A lot? Overwhelming?
flatten would be a horrible name, pertaining to a particular group of monads
@ScarletAmaranth but they did not know
user406009
@ScarletAmaranth Do you have a good counterexample?
M (M a) is simply join
20:44
@Mysticial it's not been too bad recently - for instance - Lounge is now one of the less noticeable rooms :p
user406009
I like the name flatten because everyone loves arrays/lists and flatten makes intuitive sense for arrays/lists.
@JonClements We killed Don Larynx, so that's to be expected
arrays/lists are only monads because they can be looked at like non-deterministic values
One of the main flaggots
@JonClements Ah ok. You definitely seemed overwhelmed when you first joined us.
20:45
@JonClements /o/ \o\ \o/ Were not so bad \o\ /o/ \o/
there is nothing to "flatten" there
I'm thinking of posting a question on the election thread asking if the candidate is willing to help you out here.
user406009
Also, flatten (Promise<Promise<A>>) makes intuitive sense to me.
@Mysticial well - more getting used to mod tools, getting to know you guys etc... :p
join (m (m a)) makes more sense in my opinion
20:46
@Lalaland iff Promise is IterableOnce
ok flatten kinda works
but I think join is a good name too
user406009
Do mods need to get reelected? Or is a life appointment sentence?
user406009
@набиячлэвэлиь That's sorta by definition for a Promise. There are other things for streams of values.
elected mods stay elected until they stand down or are removed due to certain reasons
flatten usually refers to simplifying structure, which does in fact happen
20:47
@Lalaland k, cool
@JonClements Such as interacting with criminal scum like us?
@набиячлэвэлиь haha - no... breaching the moderator agreement or just not doing any moderation for a prolonged period of time
@ScarletAmaranth It brings the elements "one level up"
@Lalaland also this is called fmap in haskell
user406009
@ScarletAmaranth Yep, that's why I used the name fmap.
Always was a more intuitive explanation for this for me
20:49
there are really 2 ways to talk about monads; either you talk in terms of fmap and join or in terms of bind and return
@ScarletAmaranth are you elyse
Stop language lawyering, pl0x
well, he said the operator names are bad
but they refer to a different angle
user406009
Yep, and the bind + return angle sucks IMHO.
If you gonna explain it to a pleb like me
(also, lol me = pleb)
why does it suck? the return operation is very trivial to understand
it lifts into monad
user406009
20:51
bind is the one which is difficult to understand.
also there is no symmetry (by design), so you can not "escape" monads
@ScarletAmaranth Run, Scarlet, run!
bind might be difficult to understand, yes... for me it was the idea of a -> M b that seemed strange; I personally think it helps to "unify" for a moment with same type
user1804599
Bind is easy to understand.
...if you're elyse
20:52
so m a -> (a -> m a) -> m a after {b <- a}
now it makes a lot of sense
user1804599
If you understand join, you can easily understand bind in terms of join, and join is easy.
yeah but the discussion is about the fact that bind angle "sucks"
and that join is more intuitive
which I don't necessarily agree with
a >>= b = join (fmap b a)
can't see how the RHS is simpler
user1804599
There you are trying to understand join in terms of bind.
if you can think in terms of bind as "execute a, use its result in b"
user1804599
I am considering join the primitive operation, not bind.
20:56
join is more primitive, yess... but bind is a nice high-level easy to understand view
map is easier to understand than a primitive for loop
exactly because the abstraction is higher, not lower
@набиячлэвэлиь So is Adventure.
Abenteuer.
I wish we had cooking classes in highschool .__.
user1804599
I wish we had classy cooks in highschool .__.
I had cooking classes in elementary/middle school
we made cookies and cake and stuff
it was pretty boss
user1804599
Now that's actually useful.
user1804599
21:11
We got bullshit like drawing.
we made veggie burgers :v
user1804599
always do the politically correct thing in schools
user1804599
don't try to offend the vegan-feminist intellectuals
my school usually had veggie options
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also keep it halal and kosher while you're at it
21:12
it got out of hand though... lots of different people with different religions
yep
user1804599
but don't mention kosher, it might offend people
why would it offend people
I've never had any cooking class in... my whole life? It's a bit sad.
join one @Morwenn
who is vegan food for, then? Followers of the Church of Vega?
21:14
you changed your avatar
bring back picard
@Prismatic It's not that I want to take one right now, I only wish I was taught that when I was younger :p
@Prismatic look closer
oh snap
Ell
Ell
@Prismatic that's baking :3
Half-assed baking.
user1804599
21:16
bukkaking
Bukkake omelette is a thing.
user1804599
Sounds splashing.
@JonClements Quick question. In your mind, would it better if you weren't the only one babysitting the chatrooms? Obviously, there are risks (to us) for getting an additional mod since anyone new will think the Lounge is absolutely insane and will freeze/delete the room instantly.
@Mysticial unless we promote from within :p
@Mysticial seems to be ticking over as is... why?
21:23
I want to take some of the burden off your back. IOW, chat moderation right now kinda has a bus factor of 1. And when you're not around (although you do seem pretty close to being around 24/7), things occasionally get out of hand.
cough Don Larynx cough
Don wasn't the only flag troll. There were others, though Jon dealt with them as well.
bbl, meeting
user1804599
I almost ate rotten whipped cream.
@Mysticial Umm... yeah... well... it's up to you - there's lots of other stuff you'd have to deal with as well - and there's going to be (I imagine) most of the heavily voted candidates from earlier this year re-running... so... not sure... your choice
@Morwenn at first i thought they were potatoes
21:34
Which VS13 should I install? Community/expert/premium/pro? wtf
@exitc0de none, VS15
@melak47 no, MinGW
Nah, I need vs13 for unreal engine :/ @melak47
user1804599
OP is a faggot three-star programmer.
Community is free, the others aren't
user1804599
21:36
@exitc0de Emacs.
@набиячлэвэлиь shush :p
@exitc0de then go with what you can afford.
@milleniumbug None of those are free
user1804599
@набиячлэвэлиь hey, I'm not a three-star programmer.
21:37
@набиячлэвэлиь Community is free as in beer
@milleniumbug If you use them, you're enslaved by M$
@набиячлэвэлиь and neither is GTA V :p
@набиячлэвэлиь meh whatever
@melak47 I thought they were free now that vs15 is out :P
@exitc0de Community edition is free.
modulo Microsoft stealing your soul or whatever.
21:38
Thanks @melak47, installing now
Nie potośmy walczyli za niepodległość, żeby teraz sami się w niewolę oddawać!
user1804599
return new memory_leak();
I need vs13, not my choice
@Elyse memory_leak() is not a type
21:41
@exitc0de Express is also free, but Community is about equal to Professional feature wise.
@набиячлэвэлиь tell this to Google or Facebook instead
Google won't listen to me anymore
Faecbuk sucks
try Cortana
@melak47 Killed as much as it can be
21:51
heh
girlfriend is out
pizza or cereal tonight?:p
why not both
cereal pizza!
^ melak knows whats up
the sky
actually, no, it's a ceiling
man this paper is talking about some of the issues im having
and its like from 1997
are we doomed to reinvent the wheel forever
user1804599
21:54
Hey. :)
@Prismatic well, now you're not :D
@Prismatic wow, yeah that does look very 1997
Dunno why the project died but read some of the papers on it, very interesting stuff
@Prismatic Well, yeah. That's why it's a wheel. When you think you've seen all of it, you're back at the start.
Im thinking this project would be pretty awesome in c++11
21:58
Just do it then.
scope is way too large. Im doing something sort of similar and using their papers for a bit of guidance (or at least trying to; i dont think it'll solve my issues)

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