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6:00 PM
@MartinJames We can do that at home all together :)
@Elyse did you like my fox costume
 
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yes!
 
@MartinJames lol
 
it's pretty cool, it comes with claws that do good damage for an early game weapon
man this thing is making me crazy
 
If std::string::npos is unsigned and equal to -1 that just means it has all its bits filled right?
Assuming that is the correct assumption to make, then subtracting from it would just give me a smaller number. Which could only be horribly stupid if the strings being worked on are toward the upper limits of a string's capacity. Am I wrong?
 
the build system is completely broken
 
6:05 PM
@Mr.kbok What is it?
 
Ell
welp it appears ssh auto logs out or something
but ssh session is freezing every now'n then
 
@JoshC it's technically impossible
 
p +1=p;/*compiler shows error saying
lvalue required as left
operand of assignment*/

It's a mystery......
 
@JoshC I suck monkey cock
 
@Mr.kbok Oh so npos can't be arithmetically operated on?
 
6:07 PM
> This is a special value equal to the maximum value representable by the type size_type.
it's not entirely implementation defined
 
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@JoshC an unsigned integer is never equal to -1.
 
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Its value is always greater than -1.
 
Ell
I really am unprepared for this
 
@JoshC Sorry, I misunderstood. Yes, you are correct, but why in the world would you want to do that?
 
static const size_type npos = -1;
21.4
 
6:09 PM
@Elyse wording
it is the result of assigning -1 to a variable of type size_type
 
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oh, no idea
 
@Elyse You are entirely correct, but he wasn't entirely wrong either :)
 
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I'm gonna connect our houses.
 
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Fewer doors to have to open each time.
 
don't ruin the landscape though
 
6:11 PM
@Elyse You have joined teh fire services?
 
@Mr.kbok I just wanted to avoid adding a special clause to an algorithm. I parse a string for delimiters and create substrings. To do this I take the last delimiter position and subtract it from the current position. If the current position is equal to npos bad things could happen afaik.
 
Ohwait.... 'houses'
 
@Elyse you can move my stuff if you want.
 
@MartinJames Rightfold, The Amazing Firelass!
 
6:13 PM
@JoshC yeah, as a signal value, it is probably best to branch on it immediately after receiving the value. but practically, you're safe if you do arithmetics on it considering the large max value of size_type
 
Okay that's good to know. I probably use way too many shortcuts like this.

Also: Terraria is awesome! Perhaps we could play sometime.
 
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@Mr.kbok just built a corridor.
 
perhaps :) but not tonight.
@Elyse feel free to move the fishtanks around
 
fishtanks?! what
 
you can put animals that you catch into fishtanks
terrariums, technically
 
6:18 PM
Oh, there are a lot of features I'm still not caught up on yet.
 
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Very nice. :)
 
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wow, 1k pricings works great
let's see with 30k
 
@Elyse What is this?
 
I got bored with Terraria
Hardmode is just more of the same
 
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6:21 PM
A screenshot of Terraria.
 
I'm not a fan :/
 
I just started a new world/character as soon as I got that containment unit to use for mining and a cell phone.
 
maybe add some grass on top with trees?
 
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Also @Mr.kbok you should become an interior designer.
 
Hmm maybe I should get you two to build my bases for me, I have a hard time making them look even partway decent.
 
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6:23 PM
@Mr.kbok Yeah thought of that but I have no idea how to place grass.
 
just go attack grass until it drops some grass seeds. Or buy them from the dryad.
 
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I only have jungle grass seeds lol.
 
Oh and there is also a staff of regrowth you could use. I think I have one somewhere in fact.
 
@Jefffrey if you ever do become curious
there's a book dedicated solely to macro writing in lisp letoverlambda.com
 
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Yeah can't make grass yet.
 
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6:27 PM
Need to defeat eye of cthulu first.
 
@Elyse Well if you want my staff of regrowth just let me know. I can always hop on for a couple minutes =)
 
@Jefffrey it keeps the combinations of versions that work together
also @wilx You should read this. Because you think having kids is good or something.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol at the into poland part
 
shit, too big
hoped just for the nazi impression
 
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lol people who care about the emptinesses of the sets of children of other people
 
6:40 PM
I wouldn't want a baby tbh
the neighbor above me has one who keeps crying all the time
it's easy to sleep while he's crying but you don't have to try hard to hear him
 
if I had one and it acted the same I'd be going insane
during weekends I go to sleep at 3 or 4 AM and while the room is silent, there I hear him crying
horrible
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have two kids, dude.
 
I were a kid and know for a fact they're terrible
 
they're also mandatory, more or less
 
6:43 PM
Someone else's problem
 
my mother expects me to get a woman and have a kid soon
haha
 
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Luckily people breed like rabbits elsewhere.
 
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Also, they aren't mandatory.
 
I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords
 
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Without them, humanity would cease to exist (likely), but there's no reason that should not happen.
 
6:44 PM
@wilx sucks to be you then
 
Good riddance
 
anyway some people like kids
wilx is one of them
where did this whole thing start?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Kids are not a problem, really. It is the woman you have them with who is. :)
 
A comic strip essentially.. cats vs babies
 
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MISOGYNY
 
6:45 PM
Ugh
 
@JoshC wow fuck dude how did you reach that conclusion
 
@Elyse No. Experience.
 
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RACISM
 
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@CatPlusPlus can I adopt you?
 
6:46 PM
I will extrapolate and generalise my experience because it will readily apply to everyone
 
@AlexM. hahah, alex gets a woman
yeah right
 
Overwatch closed beta is live!
 
@Jefffrey ikr :<
 
:P
 
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@BartekBanachewicz What is that?
 
6:49 PM
Jul 2 at 11:08, by Alex M.
I wear what mom buys for me
 
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oh thought an Stack Exchange site
 
@BartekBanachewicz well yes
 
@AlexM. moms don't buy clothes that will get you a cool girl, imho
I know this is overgeneralized as fuck but
 
I don't have a vestimentary identity
 
If I want to create a std::thread by forwarding a callable and arguments...but also want to wrap that function. is there a better way to do this than: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/30d677d5b8421978 ?
 
6:51 PM
I wear anything that doesn't have unmatched colors
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, that is still true for me as well. About 80 % of the time. :)
 
@AlexM. oh I've learned a new word
 
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@Elyse A year ago. Is there a more recent one? Will it get deleted?
 
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6:56 PM
No idea.
 
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Hope not. The site is a goldmine of hilarity and sadness.
 
@wilx hopefully
the site should be burned.
 
2anim
 
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Funfact: I know solipsists exists, but not whether non-solipsists exist!
 
7:08 PM
TIL that `ghc-7.10.2` now supports the `DeriveAnyClass` extension, which further simplifies generic programming: https://t.co/HFpHEk1OEM
ooooh
cc @Jefffrey @AlexM.
 
why wasn't what he's doing possible before?
 
@BartekBanachewicz hm, but then I have to spell out the signature
 
@BartekBanachewicz uuuu, nice
 
I mean
was it not possible to derive your own classes via deriving?
 
it was, is, has been - how is it related?
 
7:11 PM
I don't know
I'm trying to understand what it's doing since I've never used those features
 
You can only use deriving with things compiler knows
 
Hence the multiple extensions
 
Ell
maybe I should learn rust during the comp
 
@Ell it's pretty easy if you know Haskell already.
 
7:12 PM
This one doesn't seem very useful tbh, it's just a sugar to create empty instances
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz haskell wat
why does haskell help with rust?
Is it just functional style?
or haskell specifically?
 
Because Rust is Haskell disguised as an imperative language
 
honestly this is getting beyond unfun; I'd like to have "standard Haskell", not "you need 156 extensions to do anything Haskell"
 
Rust type system is sorta influenced by Haskell but it really won't help that much
 
7:13 PM
@ScarletAmaranth fuck if that'll happen
other compilers are ages behind GHC
 
it is getting out of hand :-\
 
they implement some extensions but that's minority
 
Streets behind
 
@ScarletAmaranth We'd need a competing compiler. Haste could be a good choice.
 
@ScarletAmaranth It's a research language vOv
 
7:14 PM
@CatPlusPlus it's turning into real tool though
despite many complaints, of course
FPComplete is pushing it like crazy
 
they range from simple (such as fancy literals or whatever the fuck they're called) to bloody advanced (GADTs??) - you can't just learn every extension enpassant
 
GADTs aren't that advanced
 
Ell
@Columbo you ready m8? ;)
 
that's why two question marks
 
But take say TemplateHaskell
 
Ell
7:15 PM
My SSH thing didn't work :V
 
I couldn't think of anythign more advanced right then
 
or UndecidableInstances perhaps
 
Ell
I prefer idris to haskell :)
 
Idris is completely impractical vOv
 
Ell
7:16 PM
Only as impractical as haskell
 
I'll hide now
 
you haven't written much of either have you
 
@ScarletAmaranth of course not
 
Nobody has
 
7:16 PM
wasn't that apparent.
 
@Elyse Bookmarked for later, but I'll probably never study it seriously :)
 
Maybe implementing Smalltalk would be cool
Hm
 
@CatPlusPlus Pharo-Phallus-IDE-smalltalk or smalltalk-smalltalk?
 
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@fredoverflow it seems abandoned anyway.
 
No, just the VM and stuff
 
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7:17 PM
@CatPlusPlus with S-expressions, and macros.
 
@CatPlusPlus The only reason to learn Smalltalk is to become more casual and relaxed around other people ;)
 
I thought about it actually
 
Ell
@Columbo yeah no boost I'm p sure
 
Lisp with Smalltalk object model
 
@Elyse Abandoning a working Haskell compiler still sounds like an astonishing achievement :)
 
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7:19 PM
I have a secret new idea for a programming language.
 
Shocking
 
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Based on System F.
 
@Elyse If it's secret, does that mean you won't share it with us?
 
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Exactly.
 
oh no youre going to use parametric polymorphism
what a revolution is that going to be
 
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7:20 PM
Scala's new compiler got rid of parametric polymorphism.
 
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Parametric polymorphism is for pussies!
 
really?
 
Times rightfold mentioned lambda calculus in past 7 days: 99999999
 
how do they compensate?
 
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@ScarletAmaranth Type refinements.
 
Ell
7:21 PM
what differentiates ad hoc polymorphism from not hoc polymorphism?
 
@Elyse do I just google and hope to get a good overview or is there good introductory / explanatory material for that?
 
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Instead of class List[T] { }, you have class List { type T } (type member), and instead of val x: List[Int] you have val x: List { override type T = Int } (type refinement).
 
Ad hoc polymorphism is overloading
 
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The former becomes mere syntactic sugar for the latter.
 
I can't see any advantages :-\
 
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7:22 PM
It's simpler.
 
More shit to learn and even slower compilers!
The Scala way
 
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@ScarletAmaranth Here's a paper: arxiv.org/pdf/1510.05216v1.pdf section 2
 
Ell
3rd place prize is drone
2nd place is pebble watch
1st place prize is gopro
 
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the terminology they use in the paper is a bit ugh though
 
@ScarletAmaranth recent Keynote, relevant part starts at around 50:18.
 
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7:24 PM
Now, Scala fans can't complain Go sucks for the lack of generics anymore!
 
Go has type members and type refinements?
 
@Elyse @fredoverflow thanks (scala seems mroe appealing by day, but I still do hate the indent-style which makes it look like crap to me)
 
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No.
 
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Now, it's lacking both those that makes Go suck!
 
Ell
@ScarletAmaranth indent style?
 
7:25 PM
@ScarletAmaranth You can choose any style you want.
@Ell 2 spaces
 
they ident a LOT and the standard is 2 spaces
 
Ell
standard is 4 for me
 
4 is THE standard for sane people :P
except for Odersky
he's a crazy man
 
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You can set it to 4 spaces. Nobody cares, really (except morons).
 
I use "opening brace on new line, 4 spaces" for Java, "opening brace on same line, 4 spaces" for Kotlin and "opening brace on same line, 2 spaces" for Scala. When it Rome, do as the Romans do.
 
7:27 PM
considering the amount of indentation "required", you quickly end up with 80+ symbols per row
@fredoverflow yeah I do agree - try to stick to the "common" thing
 
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@fredoverflow But I don't speak Italian.
 
@ScarletAmaranth That's because in Scala, you can nest everything in pretty much everything else ;)
 
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@ScarletAmaranth I rarely go over 80 columns in Scala.
 
@Elyse Well, watch the Scala Italy videos and maybe you can after that ;)
 
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@fredoverflow The only definitions you can't nest arbitrarily are packages, right?
 
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7:28 PM
And you can't put variables and methods in packages directly.
 
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This library uses objects for namespacing everything. :D tpolecat.github.io/doc/doobie/0.2.2/api/index.html#package
 
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({type λ[α] = Coyoneda[ResultSetOp, α]})#λ I hate that you need parentheses for this.
 
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Wish you could just say Coyoneda[ResultSetOp, _] like with value lambdas: foo(x, _).
 
in C#, 48 secs ago, by drch
there was a SO question about a guy who actually had a last name of 'null'
that can be a problem
 
FUCKING YOUTUBE IN FUCKING FIREFOX!!! FUUUUUCK!! WHY CAN'T IT JUST WORK????
3
 
7:39 PM
does for me
 
@fredoverflow Yea I'm using that
still falls over
 
Then disable HTML5 and enable Flash instead.
 
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YouTube already uses HTML 5 by default.
 
uuhhhhh
I forgot to buy valve lapping abrasive
 
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7:51 PM
 
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so cooool
 
A Criticism of Scrum, omg meme overload!
 
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Stopped reading at "Entrepreneur".
 
@Elyse Whoa, does the monitor have a prompt on it?
 
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Yes!!!1
 

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