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10:01 PM
Also scaling PostgreSQL horizontally is Very Fun Activity (tm)
 
ScyllaDB!
 
We were using Cassandra at the start, but the client design was just plain incompatible with that kind of a database
 
programming would be p fun if not for the users/clients
 
:26537127 lol
 
At least this time someone told me to do this thing this way and I told them that I'm not sure about possible failure modes and they brushed it off so whatever I don't care what happens
Buy my game so I can do less of this crap
 
10:05 PM
I did it!
I mounted my router on the bottom of my desk.
 
@Nooble Unhealthy
 
Internet is unhealthy
 
Only time will tell if double sided tape is sufficient.
 
The answer is no
 
@Nooble inb4 hardware fail due overheating.
 
10:07 PM
@MartinJames Hopefully not.
@CatPlusPlus It's pretty light though.
 
@Nooble What's that burning smell??
 
@MartinJames My mixtape.
 
Should I rename python3 to python?
I always wonder why upgrading just doesn't replace the old python
There probably is a reason
 
Compatibility
 
10:09 PM
because Py3 threw out a lot of shit from Py2 and there's lots of Py2 programs that depend on that shit
 
So I should keep it python3?
 
prolly
 
Arch set Py3 to default a long time ago
 
Everything respectable should specify if it's python2 or python3 in the shebang, though (if it cares at all)
 
@AnalPhabet Not really, C++ could fix this without breaking compatibility with C
 
10:13 PM
tru
 
fuck compat with C
just fuck it
 
If animals want to live they should stop being so delicious
 
Amen
 
now that I also started reading the book I showed jefery
I wonder if I won't like lisp's macros more than C++'s templates
(define-syntax comp
  (syntax-rules ()
    [(comp f ... val) ((compose1 f ...) val)]))
 
10:17 PM
define-syntax is Scheme thing
 
^^ trivial racket macro to allow (comp f1 f2 ... fn value) instead of ((compose1 f1 f2 ... fn) value)
@CatPlusPlus yea I'm not actually using common lisp like the book uses
I use racket
 
Racket's nice
 
user1804599
@ElimGarak I've always been a proponent of slaughtering cats and dogs.
 
Penalties :((
 
Very weird
I've downloaded get-pip.py and then run it, it says everything is successful but pip is not installed
 
10:19 PM
my GFs apparently doing design.
 
Nevermind
 
@Jefffrey have you tried pip2, pip3
ok
 
I was just running python3 get-pip.py instead of python get-pip.py
Thanks anyway
 
Toodle pip.py!
 
@nick did you see my amazing Pok3r picture.
 
10:22 PM
nope
 
@Jefffrey I've had a similar experience at work.
 
@nick beauty
 
my colleagues insist on writing inferior CSS instead of inline style, so we will be spending weeks introducing a bunch of massive third-party dependencies for the reward of more bugs and less flexibility.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you can make the same doing JS contract work
 
10:23 PM
Inline styles are garbage
 
@nick except JS is a total pile of wank
 
better than CSS
 
@Puppy what
are you from 1990
 
Using inline scripts or styles (which are CSS btw) makes content security policy unimplementable
 
10:24 PM
I don't believe React existed in 1990.
perhaps you're thinking of styles inline in the HTML source rather than rendered from React components? that's a very different matter
 
the fact you use a fancy shitty js framework doesn't mean you can't write 90s code
 
Same difference
 
write full stylesheets. re-usability is key
 
Bartek, I would have thought you would have liked React, it's all about purity and immutability.
 
It's still CSS
 
10:25 PM
Stoke 4-4 Chelsea I can't take this..
 
@nick Stylesheets are less re-usable than inline styles.
 
And it still ends up being inlined into the DOM
 
@Puppy it's in JS, come on.
 
Uh no they're not
 
not at all
apply a class
 
10:25 PM
@BartekBanachewicz So what? That doesn't mean you can't employ immutability or impurity.
 
or a dozen
 
Since I've started working on Node profesionally I've gained a new level of despise for javascript
 
@nick Except that's not gonna work, because the class is nested in another class.
so you can't just apply the class again.
 
CSS class you dummy
 
yes I know that.
 
10:26 PM
@Nooble so buttiful
 
You can write shitty CSS but that doesn't make CSS fundamentally non-reusable
 
STOKE KNOCK CHELSEA OUT OF THE LEAGUE CUP
 
@nick Took that long to load?
 
well you could manually namespace all of your CSS classes, but that's really even worse
 
10:27 PM
it's much easier to just define a variable, and then use the variable, like re-using anything else.
 
@Nooble nah I was just doing stuff before I switched back to that tab
 
Styles just don't belong in HTML, whether it's generated by React or not doesn't matter
 
why not?
 
Because media queries
 
don't currently have a need for them anyway
 
10:29 PM
lol
 
besides
 
we have quite a few places where we can't use a media query even though we'd like to
 
lol, this is not a good sign
 
like where the browser officially supports a feature but it doesn't actually work.
 
10:29 PM
Because CSS can be processed automatically for things like vendor prefixes
 
e.g. position: fixed or position: sticky on mobile safari
@CatPlusPlus So can inline style.
 
If you write crappy custom tools, maybe
 
@CatPlusPlus hi hi hi
 
in fact, we've found several bugs in our codebase about not prefixing CSS, but not a single one for inline style.
 
10:30 PM
lmao my keyboard has been awarding me trophies and I had no idea
 
in fact
 
I find CSP to be the most important thing anyway
 
I like how puppy's ignoring years of research like no tomorrow
 
@AlexM. you truly are a strokemaster
 
All inline styles and scripts should be unilaterally blocked
 
10:30 PM
@LucDanton yes :P
 
Mourinho looks suicidal. Someone find some pills or a rope.
 
really if I were serious about inline style, I would just replace the React factories to autoprefix it on element render time.
 
Neuters most XSS vulnerabilities
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's odd that nobody can point out any relevant conclusions from those years
 
Presentation does not belong with the structure
Period
 
10:31 PM
that is unavoidable with HTML
 
@Puppy you're genuinely funny when you're doing that
 
No it's not it's just you
 
really?
 
You can get away with inline styles for react but for any other use case it's a terrible practice. Keep in mind though, if you don't use an external stylesheet that's one less static resource that can be cached by a client's browser.
 
you won't believe if we say yes
 
10:32 PM
@BartekBanachewicz "yes" is an irrelevant thing to say. Try saying the actual thing you're implying I'm ignoring. That might help.
 
@nick It's still terrible practice in React
 
@CatPlusPlus I actually attended a React conference recently and the general consensus there was that inline styles were superior. They were presenting a library pollyfilling for media queries.
 
> CREATE EXTENSION loads a new extension into the current database.
 
Terrible naming
 
10:33 PM
lel
 
Consistent naming
 
not that I actually have any observable need for media queries.
 
mobile devices don't exist people
 
Yeah who needs print, or small screen support
 
we support mobile devices.
the testing device I normally use is an iPhone 4.
 
10:34 PM
Why do I even bother
 
inb4 we hack at elements with jQuery
 
no
 
yeah w/e
i have a monad stack to write
 
we do hack at elements with jQuery, but only in a few edge cases mandated by our legacy requirements that are unrelated.
 
i have a stack of monads
 
10:36 PM
personally I find that supporting mobile devices well comes down to a fair bit more than just shoving in a couple media queries (or script equivalent)
you need to render different HTML (especially HTML5 controls) or just plain a different UI design
 
that depends on what you have imho
if it's a blog media queries are well enuff
 
unfortunately it's not a blog ;p
 
@Puppy what is it?
 
@AnalPhabet What is this?
 
hmm
 
@AnalPhabet oOOoOOooh
 
eh I prefer not to discuss the details of the product I'm working on
 
I'm not asking about the details
 
@Nooble not as extensive as BearLibTerminal, though
 
And the C++ API is pretty much the C API, but shoved in a namespace
 
it's a medical application.
 
BearLibTerminal is still the best
 
there's a few forms but there's a lot of junk tacked on over the years at customer request, a bunch of horrible legacy stuff we can never drop, and a few bits that are a lot more awkward than forms.
I mean, ultimately, the core design of our application was... heavily tied to the web client at that time and now that we need a new one, not all of the feature design really makes sense anymore
 
libtcod is bad
 
10:43 PM
@AnalPhabet pretty cool. Didn't you write something like this with robot @Cat?
for the Hyperactive Rats in Allegro in C#
 
That was just an extremely basic thing
 
hey @Nooble
 
hey @Nooble
 
Hi?
 
I like the idea of this quite a lot
 
10:45 PM
@ScottW you fuccboi
You broke it
 
BearLib is way smarter about redraws and also supports different kinds of fonts in same grid
 
I could write a plugin to Hate that could do that
 
@BartekBanachewicz ModeRATo non troppo in a minor
 
hey @nick mumble
 
10:46 PM
I like how the images can be mixed with text
 
sdd
Very basic question: If there is a text like "AA BB CC"
I first select AA, than I want to select BB with a key combination, without using the mouse. How can I do this?
 
I remember wanting to do that in assembly like 10 years ago
 
It's FontAwesome
Though you can do it with bitmap tiles too
 
I actually wrote a program that allowed you to manipulate the codepage
 
@CatPlusPlus Cool
 
10:47 PM
@sdd wviw
 
sdd
@sehe wvlw?
 
You asked a question. I answered
 
sdd
@sehe can you be more specific?
 
hold on
 
@sehe cool
 
10:48 PM
@sdd Alt-Right, Shift-Alt-Left on Mac; replace Alt with Ctrl on Windows
unless you want to add then just Shift-Alt-Right
 
Solid Disk Drive.
 
what
 
sdd
@BartekBanachewicz Thank yoU! but alt +right does nothing on a mac. Shift + alt + right add the text to the selection, which I don't want
 
I'll settle for decent disk drive
 
10:50 PM
@sdd what editor? Works in ST for me.
 
sdd
Just on web pages
 
fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuu
 
lol
 
Try jumping
 
@sdd ctrl-right shift-ctrl-right
 
10:52 PM
@sehe Nice scarf :P
 
@nick what
 
@Elyse do you know Idris?
 
@ElimGarak was admiring as well
 
sdd
@BartekBanachewicz alt + shift + right works fine, it adds the word next to it to the seleciton, but I just want to select the work next to it. alt + right doesn't do anything
 
I need food I don't have food
Try alt + wrong
 
10:53 PM
@CatPlusPlus get food
 
@sehe nice scraf
 
I have rizzoto, I've been learning how to cook lately.
 
I LOVE WHEN SSH JUST RANDOMLY STOPS WORKING ON SERVERS
 
@sdd ignore me
 
@sehe nevar !!!!1!!1111!one
 
sdd
10:55 PM
@sehe Sorry, I watched your video and I see you use Windows, the key combination can be diff for windows and mac
@sehe anyway, I think I find a solution, thank you
 
@sdd HAHAHAHAHA. When did you buy me windows?
 
@sdd He uses ubun2
 
@sdd Are you seriously on Mac?
 
lul dis convo
 
sdd
@sehe yes I am
 
10:56 PM
@sdd Hi Jefffrey.
 
10 mins ago, by sdd
Very basic question: If there is a text like "AA BB CC"
I first select AA, than I want to select BB with a key combination, without using the mouse. How can I do this?
@sdd Lesson learned: there is no such thing as a basic question without any context
 
sdd
@Nooble Who tf is jeffrey?
 
tehe
 
@sdd I don't know.
 
@sdd your momma
 
10:58 PM
I do know Jefffrey though.
 
hehe. Just noticed inb4 Request for badges on repeated bans. I think I've seen such a request on meta very recently
 
sorry I don't use AWS like @sehe yet
 
I wonder if OBS can autoupload to YT tho
 
@BartekBanachewicz Stream it, then archive it
 
11:01 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Lookin' sexy.
 
@AnalPhabet eh streaming is tedious
 
@AnalPhabet [meme-so-failure]
 
I don't think it's worth it for such short vids
 
user406009
@sehe That's quite darning evidence against telkitty. It would have been cool if you brought that up when we had our great telkitty discussion
 
11:02 PM
@BartekBanachewicz It is a solution
Didn't say it's a good one
 
@AnalPhabet
 
@Lalaland Oh well. I don't feel the need to dig up dirt too often. I was totally prepared the other time when she started a smoke war on meta, but the question got deleted. So I never go the chance
 
@AnalPhabet OBS doesn't have it, but I guess I could do that with some 3rd party app
 
Can we just spend our time doing the nice loungey things instead :)
 
11:05 PM
Cool, I've added my yubikey to dropbox
I have to say that U2F is really much more convenient than google authenticator
I didn't think it'll be such a difference
 
@sehe Like?
 
@sehe Nice. Loungey Things. Pick one. :-)
 
You missed a period. Two, in fact. I'd check with the gynecologist pronto
 
hm I wonder if I can delete my photos from db
 
never
 
11:07 PM
@sehe I'm too old to be pregnant. Well, probably anyway.
 
@nick I have them on Flickr since a certain date
 
oi
 
vei
I'm hitting the sack
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
 
@sehe night
 
11:08 PM
beh old photos
remember that time when I almost fell under a train
 
good times
No. Actually. Did anyone ever hear about this before?
 
@sehe nn
 
@BartekBanachewicz classic. Wow.
 
@sehe Don't hit it too hard. You might break something.
 
11:13 PM
woop woop 2GB of space freed up
 
@BartekBanachewicz You really just wanted to give a subtle reminder of Bjarne as a K-pop star.
 
7 am gotta get down gotta get cereals
 
@GregorMcGregor it's funny how time works
 
get down tonite
 
11:14 PM
when are you coming to Poland
 
eventually
._.
 
c'mon I'll provide a place to stay and beer
 
@GregorMcGregor capture mongolia first, makes for a good pathway
 
@BartekBanachewicz After I learn to speak Polish well (i.e., probably never).
 
what else could you ask for
 
11:14 PM
safety
 
@JerryCoffin mmm you can manage with english just fine really
 
@BartekBanachewicz Wine, women, and song. Oh, and a nice juicy steak.
 
I know a great steak place in Tricity. and they actually have a proper wine card /cc @Jerry
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, maybe I'd be able to if I actually knew English.
 
I do have plans to visit Pooland
The only think I'm lacking is TIME
 
11:16 PM
poor cicada working 12 hour days ...
 
@GregorMcGregor suck :(
 
Pancake closures are always optimized out to prevent Nutella from dripping.
 
wot
 
hehe
 
user406009
Those plane tickets to Europe are darn expensive though.
 
11:22 PM
> >tfw not living on the best continent
 
more expensive from Australia
 
@AnalPhabet my heart goes out to you
 
@nick Well, mine goes to you, because you're not living on the best continent
 
@nick North America high five!
 
@jaggedSpire north america best america
 
11:25 PM
@AnalPhabet country*
Actually I didn't even know people lived outside of Europe I always thought it was an meme
 
@GregorMcGregor Whell, if you're living in FUTU.RE, that correction makes sense
 
I hate mega long flights - stuck in a plane for 20+ hours with nothing better to do. Reminds me of cargo ship for zoo animals
 
user406009
@BartekBanachewicz It looks like this is a list of the stuff they are going to be changing/removing.
 
Hi @GregorMcGregor <3
 
user406009
IIRC you had a particular interest in what's going away.
 
11:30 PM
@TonyTheLion <3 <3
 
@Borgleader <3 <3
 
@Lalaland yep.
 
user image
3
I thought the point of RPGs was to roleplay as someone other than yourself? Definitely wont play this game.
 
lol
 
@Borgleader lol
 
11:35 PM
Has anyone seen @ThePhD?
 
@jaggedSpire I havent :(
@ThePhD I missh you!
 
He died in an autossh accident.
Or was that @Ell?
 
I want to suggest ideas only a workaholic would find sane and append them with a catface, but he's not here. :(
 
Ell
that was me
I am dying of lack of browser of gentoo
so many slot conflicts
many many slot conflicts
 
@Ell Rest in Peace
 
Ell
11:38 PM
why why why
 
@TonyTheLion Hi TonyMcTony
brb gotta miss my buuuus
kicking in the front seat
 
@GregorMcGregor have fun missing your bus
 
which seat can I taaaaaake
 
@GregorMcGregor What's going down in HK?
 
your face is what's going down in HK
 
11:40 PM
@TonyTheLion property prices
 
Puppy such useful statements
 
@GregorMcGregor mentally scarring your captives I mean fellow bus-riders.
 
@jaggedSpire how about an owl to cheer you up
 
@GregorMcGregor thats good. Wish they went down here in London too
 
uhhh Haskell just told me my code sucks indirectly
 
11:40 PM
@Borgleader so...fluffy ;_;
 
@BartekBanachewicz If you have code that doesn't suck, you're doing it wrong.
 
trying to get this to work:
data ClosureM m a = NestedClosure (StateT Table (ClosureM m) a)
                  | RootClosure (StateT Table m a)
but I guess I'm overkilling it
 
I was wondering
 
I'm struggling with Functor instance :|
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hmm...I think I prefer this wine list. Of course, I'd like it even better if I could actually afford everything on the list...
 
11:42 PM
I require additional pylons bank accounts
 
Why would you ever prefer a red black tree over an ordered array + binary search?
 
log(n) insert and erase?
 
^
rb trees autobalance themselves
 
more amenable to improved efficiency memory allocation algorithms like object pools as well.
 
Oh right, because inserting and removing on an ordered array is O(n)
 
11:43 PM
instance (Functor m) => Functor (ClosureM m) where
    fmap f a = RootClosure . state . (fmap . fmap) f . runClosure (Map.fromList []) $ a
 
right?
 
you're inserting and removing into an array.
the fact that it's sorted is irrelevant for insert and erase.
you still need to shuffle the O(n) elements.
 
yeah
 
they can also be more amenable to immutable state sharing
but it's my understanding that balanced binary trees are pretty fucking terrible at that because they're not defined recursively
 
oh god damn it Coliru's compiler doesn't even have type holes
 
11:49 PM
@Jefffrey yes, mostly. There are hybrids that are sometimes worth considering though. One is a sorted array, along with an unsorted array. New inserts go to un-sorted array. Only when it reaches size Log(n), you sort it and merge with the others. Searching remains O(log N), most inserts are fast, and the memory's still (mostly) contiguous.
To search, you do a binary (or interpolating) search in the main array, and a linear search in the un-sorted part (but since it's limited to log(N) in size, the search remains O(log N) overall).
 
uh damn implicit forall is annoying
oooh I finally understood ScopedTypeVariables
never needed that before
> Although Scoped Type Variables are often a simple solution, they are not available in all compilers.
do I look like I care
 
but what about backwards compatibility
 

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