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10:00 PM
wtf even are those
 
/b/tarded firands of lambdas
 
wtf even is that
 
@Puppy Nothing, I fucked up
 
std::not1(some_predicate) creates a function object that is a negated some_predicate.
 
ah
 
10:01 PM
And std::not2 is the same for predicates with two parameters.
 
so it's lambda-but-shittier?
 
Reminds me of our convo last night /cc @JerryCoffin
 
They are factory functions to create std::unary_negate and std::binary_negate objects. So, yeah. Basically, lambdas are enough.
 
@Puppy All funciton-related stuff is ambda-but-shittiter
 
@Puppy It's "we're going to throw these into C++98 because we don't have lambdas (yet)".
 
10:02 PM
But there is still std::not_fn in the library fundamentals TS which is a generic version of these utilities.
 
@JerryCoffin Ah, I thought he said they were going to add one
 
@Puppy Well, they are going to add std::not_fn.
 
ah
so they're going to add even more lambda-but-shittier stuff?
 
Apparently
 
Replace not{1 2} with not_fn
 
10:03 PM
Well, yeah. We could have done without that. And probably without std::bind too?
 
yeah.
std::bind is "We're sorry we fucked up not having polylambdas; try to tide yourselves over with this for now"
 
The ony stuff from <functional> I use are the function_objects<> and std::function I think.
 
dunno what function_objects<> is
I only use std::function though I'm pretty sure
 
std::less<>, std::greater<> and their friends.
 
ah
that stuff is a bit different because we need those types as template parameters
like std::hash
 
10:06 PM
@Puppy The basic idea (I think) is to remove three things that are completely shitty and replace then with one that's only somewhat shitty (and is easy to substitute for any of the three existing ones in code that uses them).
 
Yep. I even had to use them as tags once.
@JerryCoffin Exactly :)
 
personally I think that I'd rather just migrate to the thing that's not really shitty at all
 
If we're lucky, std::not1 and its family could be removed without even passing the deprecation stage.
 
comma operator works now :)
 
impahtant!
 
10:08 PM
dude C99 decl rules plix
 
@Puppy What?
 
@fredoverflow It's becoming better by the day :p
 
@Puppy Yes, but you don't have 10 gazillion lines of existing code being maintained by third rate programmers who will probably only update at all if it can be done with a global search and destroy replace.
 
@fredoverflow Variable declarations in the for loop.
 
@JerryCoffin Sure, but in that case I would likely not risk it at all and not migrate at all.
 
10:10 PM
And you could drop the return 0; in C99 too.
 
Mar 4 '11 at 11:09, by FredOverflow
> Now if you discuss about how to write a for loop, you get a really splendid discussion. If you start arguing about wether you should have a space in between the int and the star in a pointer-to-int, you get a REALLY furious discussion. People actually LOVE discussing things that don't matter, because it's so easy to have an opinion about those things.
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow Implement volatile; should be easy.
 
user1804599
Then add const.
 
well
I actually wonder if you could implement the IDE by backing on to Clang.
 
user1804599
How difficult is it to implement _Generic?
 
10:12 PM
I think I'm going to detect common beginner mistakes first. Like, you can't have an assignment as a condition. And the left operand of the comma operator must have a side effect. Stuff like that.
 
@fredoverflow At least discussing things that don't matter can't lead to bad decisions :p
 
@fredoverflow Hard to tell if the LHS is a function call
 
@elyse As easy as implementing a compile-time switch?
 
@Puppy Right, but I have seen conditions like i>=0,i<10 quite often.
 
fair enough
if you can prove that the LHS is pure, that's a good start.
 
10:13 PM
@Morwenn So, what colours should the boxes have? ;)
 
@fredoverflow wut; time to debug your students?
 
@fredoverflow Honestly? I think they're good. They feel consistent with the rest.
 
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@fredoverflow I think i >= 0; should be equivalent to i = i > 0;.
 
@Morwenn C89.
-1 missing int main(void)
 
10:15 PM
@Puppy It is pretty easy to recognize a fair number of common cases though. Basically create three groups: one that clearly doesn't have side effects, another that might, and finally one that clearly does. You certainly warn about the first, probably about the second (and of course not about the third).
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow and i == 0; should be equivalent to i = i = 0;.
 
6 mins ago, by Puppy
dude C99 decl rules plix
 
@elyse What about i != 0
 
@Rapptz I was ony reacting to @Puppy's « dude C99 decl rules plix » and @fredoverflow's subsequent « What? » :p
 
^^
 
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10:16 PM
@fredoverflow in LiveScript you can write ! = x to mean x = !x.
 
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@fredoverflow I think you should use clang to compile the C code, and ptrace to track the variables. :P
 
@Rapptz I allow mixing declarations and statements, by the way. It's easier to parse than C89 :)
 
I just realized that my only C++ proposals were about removing stuff that weren't in the standard yet, like « y u do dat?? ».
 
if you use Clang to compile the C code, it should not be too difficult to inspect the outcome LLVM IR, interpret that, and display those values
 
I haven't been drunk in months.
Hi
 
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10:18 PM
do the bender
 
good work robot
 
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@Morwenn because C++ is a clusterfuck.
 
Wow, Classroom Crisis just keeps getting better.
 
@elyse That's probably why I love it though.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked class room : crisis
 
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10:19 PM
haha isn't that funny
 
user1804599
it's code
 
root is a crisis
 
user1804599
that resembles English
 
haha, you suck
vuile nederlander
 
right
finally dragged the last of those nasty side effects out of the Wide parser.
 
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10:21 PM
@StackedCrooked ik ben schoner dan jij, domme belg
 
evening
 
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@StackedCrooked jaaaaa :3
 
@elyse beetje respect voor de Belgen eh
 
user1804599
no fuck'em
 
10:22 PM
no more cock for you
 
user1804599
they're foreigners and foreigners suck :P
 
People keep saying Obama looks pissed, angry. I think he just looks gutted. Gutted. Powerless.
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion D:
 
Tony is master of cocks.
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10:23 PM
@sehe Agreed. I think he's tired of having to address mass shootings and being powerless to act to change things.
 
He decides.
 
@StackedCrooked sorry. Shower in the morning. I sweat during the nights :(
 
user1804599
this wasn't that much of a mass shooting
 
user1804599
it was only 10 people
 
user1804599
could've been worse
 
user1804599
10:23 PM
like, 11 people
 
there shouldn't have been a shooting at all
 
user1804599
I agree.
 
stop stinking or i'll close my chat
 
user image
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user1804599
Shootings are largely bad.
 
10:24 PM
@Morwenn wow
 
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Also this website finally picked up my beautiful avatar.
 
there's 50 ways?
 
@TonyTheLion And he's tired of the political minefield that comes with it. I guess. I think it's great that he chooses not mute himself "out of respect". But I miss the real anger. I think that would work a lot better in the US media
 
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Fifty Ways of Cock
 
10:24 PM
@StackedCrooked Yep, just as much as there are shades of Grey.
 
@sehe :)
 
@Morwenn For a second there I thought I saw Telkitty coming back
 
@TonyTheLion :S
 
@Morwenn Fifty Shades of Gay?
 
@sehe That was an agreement smiley
 
10:25 PM
@sehe decent
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I can still post some Igorrr stuff, then you will have plenty of cocks.
 
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Maybe Telkitty's brain tumor died and she became Morwenn.
 
@sehe he wouldn't be a president if he'd care about such petty crimes
 
@fredoverflow That works too.
I've got a song with chicken playing in it:
 
10:26 PM
@elyse I counted. It's indeed 50.
 
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@StackedCrooked I multiplied 5 by 10.
 
loser
 
The chicken solo starts at 2:05.
 
You have some special musical tastes.
 
10:27 PM
@sehe Yeah
 
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@Morwenn I was once next to a guy in a bus and he was sleeping with headphones in. Plugged them out of his iPod, plugged them into my iPod, started this song:
 
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@StackedCrooked I won't deny. But Igorrr is awesome in my state of mind.
 
@StackedCrooked Obviously drawn by a non-programmer (a programmer would have rounded 50 to 64 without even thinking about it).
 
@elyse I like your Super Mario avatar.
 
10:29 PM
Yeah, his buddy would have taken care of it.
 
@TonyTheLion Ok. I was trying to think of what was funny :S
 
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@fredoverflow Me too.
 
@elyse That seems to be some pretty standard not-so-subtle death metal :/
 
@sehe Sorry, I should have just said "yeah".
 
@Morwenn Just curious, do you know the band Of Montreal?
 
10:29 PM
:D
 
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@Morwenn It's a Dutch band and it's good. Coincidence? I think not.
 
@StackedCrooked Not really.
 
@sehe Sounds like a rant
 
@elyse I don't like the voice and I find the music pretty unoriginal :(
 
Nobody reads body language anymore.
And there's the meticulous choice of words that doesn't match any kind of emotionally heated state
 
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10:31 PM
@Morwenn fuck you!
 
user1804599
@Morwenn ok how about some other Dutch music
 
It's a rant alright. But, if you're powerless, ranting is what is left. to do
 
@elyse Hey, at least I'm being honest.
 
@elyse Blocked in my country.
 
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10:31 PM
lol
 
user1804599
your country sucks
 
@sehe Yeah, I don't mean it in a bad way. He really sounds depressed-ranty
 
@Morwenn very very very very fortunate
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I'm shocked at the "depressed" part, really
He might use that to rhetoric effect. Which, in turn, I think is brilliant.
 
It's probably the first time I think I see his real character tbh
 
@Morwenn can you beat this?
 
The only death metal bands I regularly listen to are In Mourning, Lahmia and Persefone. I may have forgotten a few ones.
 
@elyse ^ is the new friday song
 
He usually puts up his diplomatic face. Here it's clearly off.
 
@Morwenn They have this album called "Satanic panic in the attic". It's great. Possibly not genre though.
 
@StackedCrooked I like the name :D
 
10:33 PM
He just another man angry at the fact.
 
Very few Presidents-Of-The-United-States-Of-Fucking-America would find the courage to actually be completely vulnerable there. And defy all the critics who want to take him to the slaughterers for "politicizing".
 
@JohanLarsson It depends on what you mean by « beat ».
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I've seen it many many times. But yeah, he can be "glib" too
 
@Morwenn link something better I guess
 
@JohanLarsson This discussion is biased from the start and I guess we don't have the same tastes when it comes to music, so...
 
10:34 PM
@ʞɔᴉN Dude. Do you have an .edu email?
 
1 message moved to bin
 
@sehe I have much more respect for him now, than I did before watching that. So no, I don't blame him for "politicizing".
 
user406009
No animated gifs guys.
 
user406009
That's the path to madness.
 
@JerryCoffin exactly
 
Gosh. @elyse mind the slippery slope please.
We all like you. And your gifs, and Cat's. But surely you understand that there's a rule for a reason. Please. Keep it.
 
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ok :(
 
Oh, it's rightfold.
That new avatar deceived me
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ ... or at least left you questioning/wondering?
:-)
 
10:37 PM
@JohanLarsson More than just that
 
@sehe I don't like those gifs at all. I'd bin all the gifs.
 
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@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ :)
 
@sehe turned out to one of those tabs that did not get closed
 
So, I am curious, why was the gif rule brought forward?
 
because fuck gifs
 
10:38 PM
I thought it was someone from the JS room for some reason
 
@Puppy Me too. I don't hate some of these that rightfold is trying to get away with. Absolutely no impact on binnability
 
@Puppy What's wrong with non-animated gifs?
 
@ElimGarak Read the rules :)
 
user406009
@fredoverflow It's a horrible image format as well.
 
@JohanLarsson They do run into tuning issues though. But it's live...
 
10:39 PM
Discord solves the issue by making gifs only animate when you hover on them.
 
that gif was not an issue when the transcript scolls this fast imo
 
@fredoverflow Non-animated ones don't care. But that's not what just got binned.
 
user406009
Talk about bad quality and wasted bandwidth.
 
@ElimGarak What do you think happens without it? This will become freaking reddit-marries-imgur
 
@ElimGarak They have no information about animation speed, so some browsers peg the CPU animating them as fast as possible.
 
10:39 PM
That's pretty FUD-y.
 
Oh wait, the part about the GIFs have been removed
 
@Rapptz Agreed
 
Basically because flashy stuff on the screen is bad
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ lolwut. Oh, so that got deleted by elyse then
 
> You can inline images (URL must end with a recognisable image extension). Animated GIFs are likely to be binned.
?
 
10:40 PM
Well, not all gifs are like that, surely an animated coding diagram wouldn't be that offensive?
 
Oh wait you mean the reason behind it.
 
Ah. Good.
 
@Rapptz Yeah, but they removed the reason for it
 
@ElimGarak It is.
 
Yeah it was something about "it's flashy"
 
10:41 PM
if it animates, it should be banned, without exception.
 
I remember a paragraph at least saying something about having flashy screens.
 
Yeah. I recall.
animate-on-hover is a nice solution tbh
 
user1804599
Animated SVGs! :o
 
@Puppy We have, at least at times, looked the other way for the Sparkly Bjarne though...
 
@Rapptz Yeah, that would be nice
 
10:41 PM
honestly I would not mind if that got binned as well.
as well as that public service announcement bullshit.
 
Animated SVGs are a thing, yes. But they require control mechanisms to portray something worthwhile.
 
they should all go.
 
@Puppy rearly inlined
@Puppy We got you. The first 13 times
 
I almost never see it non-inlined.
 
I don't care about gifs.
 
10:42 PM
@Puppy ... sigh
 
They don't peg my CPU either.
Firefox already decides to consume 8% regardless of gifs.
 
@elyse lol
 
user1804599
 
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but WANT
 
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BRANDS <3
 
10:44 PM
Don't tell Alex. He'll mock your budget
 
user1804599
wait, is 80 bucks normal for shoes?
 
user1804599
or is it expensive?
 
boy
 
Today I spent more on new shoes than I have spent in years, combined
 
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or is it cheap?
 
10:44 PM
I wish there were some more useful C++ unit test frameworks
 
@Morwenn I liked this transition they did on the second track of the album.
 
the Wide integration tests take a long time to run
 
user1804599
@sehe why
 
Catch is pretty good
 
@elyse I don't think thats too bad.
 
user406009
10:45 PM
@Puppy What features are you looking for?
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion cool
 
@elyse 35 is cheap, 80 is mainstream quality, brands go 130-200 AFAICT from today
 
@elyse Medium
 
user406009
Multi-threaded test execution?
 
I normally pay about 50 - 70 GBP for shoes
 
user1804599
10:45 PM
@sehe cool :D
 
er, no.
 
@Puppy booo! long tests suck
 
user1804599
then I'll get them
 
@elyse Because how can I tell I don't care if I never try shoes >30 EUR?
 
user1804599
:p
 
10:46 PM
I need process-isolated test execution, a cross-platform command-line runner, and some sweet VS integration
 
Let me show you what shoe you want
Here, 10/10
 
user1804599
I have those already.
 
@StackedCrooked I actually like that :D
 
user1804599
I want to try DCs.
 
user1804599
And also purple, since it's my favourite colour.
 
10:46 PM
Also woah, amazon oneboxing? Didn't know that was a thing
 
user406009
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I think it's so SO can get affiliate money.
 
@Morwenn Awesome :) You should check out the album.
 
Made me think of this wtf but good song.
 
user406009
Cash is quite a good motivator for adding features.
 
It's great even though it took some time to grow on me.
 
10:47 PM
@StackedCrooked I will, for sure :)
 
How did that thing about reading that book and then commenting each week or something go?
 
user406009
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Yep. Just checked the link and it has SO in it.
 
Are people still doing it?
 
user1804599
@Morwenn They should make a song named kruis.
 
@Lalaland Interesting
 
10:49 PM
@elyse Wow, offensive, I'll flag that :o
 
user1804599
@Morwenn how about this one
 
@Lalaland And for getting up, and go to work, and ..working :P
@elyse masterpiece
it brings tears to my eyes.
 
@StackedCrooked Process isolation on Windows is not cheap.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked more like a disasterpiece
 
user1804599
10:51 PM
@StackedCrooked it brings tears to my ears.
 
Guys help my Windows 10 tech preview has expired.
 
lol
 
user1804599
@Nooble Upgrade to Gentoo.
 
I recently got reminded of this track on radio by our most infamous Belgian dj named Gunther D. I posted it before. It's not a really good track. But it reminds me of the last two years of highschool. And for that reason I like it :)
 
user1804599
lol non-Dutch DJs
 
10:54 PM
I'm currently upgrading my laptop to Windows 10 (from a legitimate copy of Win 7) to get a key.
 
@elyse LOL THE DUTCH
 
@Nooble yes
 
@ʞɔᴉN Then make a dreamspark account and get that GitHub thing immediately.
 
@elyse I would put it in the same category than this, which is very low.
 
user1804599
do you like Epica or Within Temptation?
 
10:58 PM
I like Epica and I somehow like Within Temptation.
 
well
good night everybody
 
Good night puppy.
 
@Puppy Good night ^_^
 
@elyse wat ahah
 
@StackedCrooked It reminds me of some old stuff too, that's good :D
 

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