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22:00
At least that's better than the stupid hard drive manufacturers.
heh okay this snake case warning is annoying
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@ElimGarak oh noiice
@BartekBanachewicz why aren't you using snake case? :O
Going to see what it can do by Sunday, hopefully it won't be a disappointment.
@orlp I think so. Which key?
(Basically I (tried to) play them all. Most work out ok)
did you guys know you can do template<typename T> using Vec [[noreturn]] = T;?
22:04
What is that.
I keep diving into weird C++ grammar that I never knew was possible lol
Please explain.
I didn't know that
@Rapptz I thought you had it pretty well together.
I'm wondering what that means though
22:04
@orlp Ah. It's that one. Yeah obviously.
@Ell I'm not used to it. But I'm using it in Rust (once the compiler slaps me, that is)
@AndyProwl a template-alias-declarator can have optional attribute-specifier-sequences
With the C++11 ones it makes no sense but I guess it makes sense with [[deprecated(...)]].
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@Rapptz Nope
can't you have arbitrary attributes?
@Rapptz got it. I find it weird though that the attributes are after the alias name and not before the template keyword
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@AndyProwl me too
22:06
lol me too
@Rapptz does clang accept it coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/34b64d8cdde09b09 - no
Attribute syntax is very, very tricky.
@LucDanton the more I work on this and the less clang gives me the more I go under this weird path
E.g. you can have a function declaration with an attributed(?) type which is itself attributed.
@sehe it doesn't accept that attribute but it seems the syntax is correct, which is still a surprise to me
22:07
[[blah]] T foo() [[blah]]; IIRC
alias-declaration:
using identifier attribute-specifier-seqopt = type-id ;
awesomes
I wonder why
At least there’s a consistency that for things with = it goes right after the identifier.
int i [[blah]] = 0; and so on.
I chose [[noreturn]] as an example, it's probably not valid in-context :v
22:08
"probably" not
(it's the only attribute I know off the top of my head)
yeah
[[deprecated("reason")]]
@LucDanton ah, that sort of explains
You remembered deprecated right in time!
22:08
[[defecated]]
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ikr
at least the identifier is after the using keyword
identifiers are sane right?
:v sometimes I wonder
>The International Standard
>sane
lol
guess I'll try to sleep
let's see if I'll wake up at 3:30 again
btw when I asked #llvm for help w.r.t. templated-alias-declarators being unexposed they kinda told me "pull requests welcome"
/ cc @LucDanton
@набиячлевэлиь What is this.
22:10
C++14 deprecated attribute
probably the only useful attribute for common people
Does not describe how to to an install. — C.W.Holeman II 8 mins ago
Our intriguing profile has an intriguing attitude
^ if you've watched House of Cards you'll get this
funny :)
2 hours ago, by Luc Danton
@Rapptz AFAICT that’s how software dev goes
22:15
yea
@TonyTheLion I didn't watch House of Cards but I still got it.
Of course the C++ standard is sane. What other standard would have (in its normative language, no less): "When writing a specialization, be careful about its
location; or to make it compile will be such a trial as to kindle its self-immolation."
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I was actually willing but I realised that my patch will probably never be accepted
and I had to compile LLVM
which seems spooky
@sehe have you ever found a tranposed piece significantly easier to play?
22:19
@orlp nope. Transcribed, I suppose?
Any other key will make it harder to play. It's extremely pianistic (there's only one "upward" scale with a "tricky" "overzetting" IIRC)
@sehe huh
well I support templated type aliases now.
.. cpp:type:: template<typename T> ptr = typename std::add_pointer<T>::type
@sehe that's assuming the author of the piece chose the right key
@StackedCrooked ahahah, I love Conan :D
@sehe considering that many classical pianists took pride in making their pieces needlessly hard, I wouldn't be surprised if some pieces are intentionally written in a difficult key
22:21
I've gotten better at this token thing.
@Borgleader :D
@orlp It's Chopin, remember
@orlp It's Chopin, remember
@sehe I wasn't talking chopin specific with my question
Oh. Well. That was... clear...
@orlp Which question, just to rule out more confusion?
3 mins ago, by orlp
@sehe have you ever found a tranposed piece significantly easier to play?
22:23
Only someone trapped inside the techno-utopian bubble of startup culture could actually believe that an app can support such a technocratic and proto-fascist view of human society. Anyone with lived experience outside of that bubble knows that the entire concept of one’s “reputation” is a mercurial and often frighteningly uncontrollable thing in the age of the internet.
So, in general?
No. I don't really think so. Because, I would. I mean. I would transpose it.
user406009
@EtiennedeMartel You cut off the best part!
user406009
Cordray tried to defend Peeple in an interview with Newsweek by saying: “We all deserve to know who the best of the best are.”
I suppose many Bachs would be easier. But I think when it really matters for me, then it's apparently so complex that I wouldn't bother
22:25
@Lalaland We all know the best of the best is Columbo. The real one, not the one who lurks in the Lounge sometimes.
You'd be looking at pieces of piano literature by non-pianists.
They exist. But hardly in the well-known solo repertoire...
@набиячлевэлиь very nice. Have you seen /r/foxes?
good enough for me
user406009
@EtiennedeMartel Anyways, this app seems like a POC. My guess is that the owner's business model is blackmail.
@набиячлевэлиь That's beautiful.
user406009
22:26
Just like Yelp.
@Lalaland It's supposed to come out in November.
@sehe well, considering the pace at which some classical composers released pieces, I wouldn't be surprised that some were written in a 'bad' key, but the composer never bothered to try and transpose it to something easier
many pieces were just one-offs for a single event, too
not something to be studied and played many times
@JohanLarsson Nice.
But then again, Uber is quite overfunded despite not really making profits and only being competitive by operating outside of the law and dumping their cash in tax havens. The Silicon Valley is in an economic bubble right now, and any project that follows that aforementioned "techno-utopian bubble of startup culture" is gonna get a lot of money in funding.
soooo.. I wanted to backup a file, but then I forgot to write .tar.gz at the end of the filename in 'tar -zcvf vm-100-disk-1.raw .', so now the file seems zero bytes, though we all know the bytes are still on the disk.. how to recover?
#WhenBackingUpGoesWrong
so don't say "make backups" because I was trying to.....
22:30
@Gizmo or "use your backup"? :P
there is none
now there's probably no data to backup too, efficient...
@orlp You have a weird notion of how composers arrive at music, I think
It's not some random process.
It's a métier
And the craft tells them how to choose what's possible. Only a non-native instrumentalist (say, a percussionist writing a flute piece or a vocalist writing a harp part) would suffer a problem like this
@jaggedSpire No, I haven't
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@EtiennedeMartel at least Uber offers a service for customers. My guess is that this will be one of those "pay us, or we will have negative reviews of you online" business models.
So I don't think the appearance of GSL has much to do with us other than validating the idea that more high quality libraries are essential to the evolution of C++ and higher quality programming - the core idea behind Boost in the first place! We should see this as further validation of the success and indispensability of Boost, the ideas it promotes, and the vision of it's original founders and continuing collaborators.
Robert Ramey speaks a true word
22:34
@Lalaland They probably will charge you for deleting your account.
Peeple says that it’s going to require users to provide a person’s phone number if they’re adding them to the Peeple database
I think this part is illegal (doxing). To a would-be corporation, no less.
@EtiennedeMartel Ashley Madison did
@ElimGarak ...at least if its made public.
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the taxi license system is pretty crazy though
@sehe And they didn't even delete the data afterwards.
22:35
:)
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one shouldn't need a taxi license imho
you already have a driving license
you already drive people you know
user406009
@ElimGarak nah, us laws give corporations a lot of leeway.
user406009
This isn't Europe
@Ell Read this. Mostly the first panel.
Speaking of leeway in the US, what's up with yet another shooting over there?
user406009
22:37
We have easier access to funds
user406009
Guns*
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@EtiennedeMartel I can't tell if sarcasm
@Ell It isn't.
user406009
So crazy people can get guns and shoot people relatively easily compared to other countries.
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I disagree with it
22:38
I'd assume nobody would actually use a registered gun to commit a felony.
@Lalaland Compare: knives
user406009
@ElimGarak people are even going to claim that this wouldn't happen if more people have guns.
Well, the schools are predominantly gun-free zones. Tempting targets.
user406009
Cause then the bystanders would shoot the shooter.
@EtiennedeMartel It's not sarcasm, but it's not particularly accurate, well informed or informative either.
user406009
22:40
@набиячлевэлиь knives are less of a public safety issue. It's hard to kill a lot of people quickly with a knife.
That's precisely the point. Nobody ever returns fire to the guy in all these mass shootings. When someone comes with the intent to kill, there will be dead folks. But at least, with a response, there won't be 15 of them, but 5 or less. There was no resistance until the police arrived, to write up the dead, basically.
@orlp No everything they did was in C#, except bach of course. w3.miun.se/piano/…
@ElimGarak Most guns end up being used against their owners or the people close to them.
Putting more guns in the hands of people will inevitably lead to more deaths.
I am not saying most people ought to have guns. But schools should be protected by now. I've been alive for 23 years and I've lost count of all the shootings.
22:42
by howitzers, at least
You linked that in the question. Could you try to use a sentence to clarify your needs? — sehe just now
@ElimGarak Why would schools in the US need to be protected? We don't have armed guards on school grounds in Canada, and lots of people have firearms here.
I mean, when Marc Lépine shot 14 women in 1989, nobody called for more guns.
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@EtiennedeMartel the US has much worse mental health services.
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really?
user406009
The guy who do these shootings are really mentally disturbed.
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22:44
I thought US healthcare was best in the world
user406009
Guys*
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(provided you can afford)
This one was bothered that he's insignificant and this is his only chance to get into the news.
@EtiennedeMartel are you sure? I will bet that someone did
@Ell The people who do those killings are not rich.
22:45
@Ell Our mental health is not-so-good compared to clinical.
user406009
@Ell the people who need them can't afford them. They might as well not exist.
@sehe Alright, maybe someone did, but it was by far a minority view.
:D
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I don't think you need to be rich to have health insurance
@Lalaland ...and yet, during the Rwandan genocide of 1994, somewhere around half a million to a million people died in about 100 days--mostly with machetes and other types of knives.
user406009
22:46
@JerryCoffin the cops show up very quickly.
I think you do.
Although you might be rich by living in a rich country
@ElimGarak That's one problem. The news mostly focus on the killer but rarely on the victims.
@Ell Health insurance and good health insurance that won't leave you in the lurch aren't always the same
So, has there been word of anyone "significant" dying in the attack? Researchers, professors, etc.
user406009
You don't have much stabby stabby time.
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22:46
@sehe ah of course
Ooh nice, reinstalling Ubuntu didn't delete my homedir
user406009
@sehe lol. US has some of the worst inequality in the world.
@JerryCoffin That is unfair. Ak-s was an integral part of the landscape.
user406009
@ElimGarak no one famous died. Still, everyone is significant.
ah cool monadic interfaces in rust seem reasonable
22:49
Guns don't kill people. Jon Lajoie kills people. With guns. I am kinda pretty sure that even if the US made guns difficult to acquire, stabfests would occur. I'd rather get shot than stabbed. Less messy.
user406009
You can't stab a bunch of people quickly and easily.
That sounds like a challenge. One hell bent on killing as much people as he can will find a way to a gun, always.
are you sure about that
user406009
Sure. How about I get the ak47 and you get the knife?
is bhop allowed
22:53
@CaptainGiraffe While there were certainly other weapons involved, every source I've seen seems to agree that (by far) the most common weapon used was the machete--with clubs in second (and guns probably somewhere down around sixth place or thereabouts).
lol
Can you even imagine the amount of anger one needs to have to kill so many people?
user406009
@ElimGarak yes, but the goal is to make it more difficult.
user406009
It's not anger. It's usually just instability
the lounge has the worst gun politics outlook ever
also after the 100th time it gets boring
22:55
@Lalaland I think there's a whole lot of anger involved in quite a few cases.
Guns don't kill people. JK that's what they were invented for and have been very successful at accomplishing for centuries.
Also why do people underestimate knives?
@JerryCoffin Don't forget to update this statistic every decade or so
user406009
@Rapptz what's the overall Lounger outlook then?
People kill people. People made guns. Destroy the cause. Destroy all humans. :P
22:56
Have you guys never been stabbed or seen a stabbing?
Most people want predictability in their lives, that is why the Nordic rehab prisons actually works.
@Rapptz I've been robbed at knife point.
@sehe How would it be updated? It was a specific thing that happened ~20 years ago now. Not a lot changing with it, is there?
@Lalaland Yeah I want to know this too /cc @Rapptz
user406009
Truthfully I don't really care either way about gun control.
user406009
22:57
I want more public health services.
I've seen a stabbing and had to help "detain" the stabber until police arrived. It took them 15 minutes, and the station was like 50-70 meters away. The response time to the outer rim of the city is even worse. Basically, the police here doesn't prevent crime, just writes it up.
@JerryCoffin Oh. That was the context. Sorry. Mislinked your message then. Yeah, Rwanda was definitely machetes (and this would probably be similar for any kind of civil conflict in Africa some decade(s?) to come)
@ElimGarak ew. how bad?
@sehe Guy survived, but got two good ones right in the gut. I like how the stabber went from macho to crying in like 1 minute.
@Rapptz At 12(I was huge at 8yo) I had this really small 17yo smash me in the face with an empty Vodka bottle.
FUCK

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