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4:00 PM
As for those interested in the 970 fiasco, Nvidia disabled the last set of ROPs and imbalanced the load on the 8 L2 caches connecting to the video memory. So to access the last block of memory, they had to shitty map the 7th ROP to the last two L2 caches, making the 970 a "3.5 GB card".
They salvaged the situation by partitioning the memory and changing the access pattern, so max bandwidth was achieved as long as you don't touch the top 512 MB.
 
it wasawful
essentially the last 512 MB were slow as fuck
ah you saidthat already
ill go to bed
nite
 
nite
 
I'm sure Metallica improved Bach
 
I mean just listen to the first 30 seconds here.. it's definitely Bach.. and it gets better afterwards
 
4:03 PM
I am not exactly sure why they disabled the last set of ROPs as the total amount of cores (thanks to the disabled SMMs) could never fully satisfy the ROPs anyways. All they did was shot themselves in the foot following the public outcry.
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Nighty night.
 
I'll just leave you with this quote of Mongoose head developer:
 
At least we got this ahahah
 
> an embedded web server is a web server you can embed
 
4:04 PM
@ElimGarak :'(
 
^ Mongoose development team
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva lol
 
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Codegen new expressions such that they set a field that contains the static type passed to new.
 
@ScottW Hoppe hoppe Reiter
 
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Then make downcasts read that field if it exists.
 
4:07 PM
I just love how hipsters try to use document-oriented databases as a replacement for relational ones. I blame ISIS and Node.JS.
 
Is Node.JS actually good?
 
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No. It's utter shit.
 
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4:12 PM
This video about sums it up.
 
how surprising
 
it's just javascript
 
@TonyTheLion It works, I guess.
 
Node.Js is fine really. But it is the Watch Dogs kind of fine. It isn't utter shit, but what was promised and what was delivered is light years apart.
 
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Especially this part:
 
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4:17 PM
> All the complexities of assembler with the efficiencies of JavaScript.
 
> It states that any application that can be written in JavaScript will eventually be written in JavaScript - Jeff Atwood source
 
Do you guys like Far Cry 4
Asking for a friend
 
@TonyTheLion It combines a few real strengths with a lot of (mostly lesser) weaknesses. Bottom line: if you're in a situation where you can get a lot of benefit from its strengths, it may be worthwhile. Otherwise, just a pain.
 
@Mr.kbok Far Cry 3.5 :P
 
@JerryCoffin I see. I wasn't planning on using it. Just curious
 
4:18 PM
@ElimGarak It's like AC2 except FPS imo
Very, very underwhelming
 
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Node.js is never worth it.
 
Poop Hoarding Processor for life.
 
@TonyTheLion I should probably add, however, that I've looked at it and played with it a little bit, but never found a case where it was worthwhile, so I've never used it much. Some people I respect do find it useful though.
 
@JerryCoffin Cool :)
 
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I cannot think of a single use case I'd use Node.js for.
 
4:20 PM
Where your only alternative is PHP + Apache? :P
 
user1804599
Yes, I would use PHP + Apache.
 
Heretik.
 
@Ell remember when we saw Linus?
 
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I get type hints, static type checking IDEs, and, most importantly, blocking I/O (i.e. readable code and reusable code).
 
Saw him again!
 
4:22 PM
Surprised you can see him from the size of his ego.
 
I wrote the first version of my girlfriend's site in node and it was horrible
 
Out of curiosity, is there any web stack choice which isn't horribru?
 
user1804599
as always: it depends
 
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what application do you want to make with it?
 
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if it involves fancy web UIs, then it's already terrible, since you need JavaScript or something that is compatible with it, which is always terrible
 
4:24 PM
@ElimGarak I like ASP.NET MVC, if you have deep pockets. Otherwise Rails is the least annoying
 
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also the only part of "web stack" that's actually web-specific is the part that handles web requests and the part that executes in the web browser
 
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business rules and storage and other things have nothing to do with that, and technologies for them can be chosen irregardless of the web interface
 
@ElimGarak Not really--just for one example, the problems with HTML are so serious and so pervasive that I have a difficult time imagining how anything working with it could possibly be good, and even "mediocre" is probably pushing the limits of what's (even theoretically) possible.
 
Thats why I try to stay far away from webstack
 
4:29 PM
webdev is always terrible, but that doesn't mean the web stack is. There are really good tools for cleaning toilets, too
 
I'd rather clean toilets than deal with web-anything
8
 
@JerryCoffin Wonder how long until HTML transpilers really take off
 
Sometimes you just have to clean the toilet, really. Or you get a maid like cicada
 
@TonyTheLion At least when you clean a toilet, when you're done it's actually clean.
 
I do clean my toilet
and I'm good at it
 
4:30 PM
@Mr.kbok English be ambiguous
 
I don't like web development at all. The only time I raised an eyebrow was when I heard of WebGL, but that was just shitty a shitty ES variant. Networking in general is great and I always feel that today with all the devices we have, applications can be developed to replace browsers. And almost always provide a better, richer, more interconnected, dynamic experience.
 
@JerryCoffin :)
 
@sehe oh, lol. I'll leave it here, it's funny :)
 
@ElimGarak I agree with you, networking itself is interesting. But webshit is shit
 
@Mr.kbok Don't worry. You'd have to clean her, too
 
4:31 PM
@ElimGarak The app model is definitely superior. I think the web should be limited to viewing documents.
 
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@Jeremy e.g. Haml?
 
@sehe clean her? IDGI
 
user1804599
Thick client master race.
 
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Esp. CLI.
 
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Fuck GUIs. Nonautomatable crap.
 
4:32 PM
@elyse zisse (I have a french accent)
not the CLI part though. hipster
 
No. The thick part, obviously
 
@ElimGarak The web has (and especially HTML) are still more examples of what I call the "MS-DOS effect". Something that's utterly awful in nearly all respects, but people manage to get by with it, and it's so widely used that it's next to impossible to get rid of it so we can use something even marginally better instead.
 
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So much money is wasted on developing GUIs that could be better spent on teaching people how to use CLIs.
 
@JerryCoffin Arguably, MSDOS is even worse than HTML
 
GUIs are overrated, by a large margin.
 
4:34 PM
@elyse You seem to know as much about economy than kitty knows about finance
 
And we're still stuck with completely insanse batch files (.cmd too)
 
user1804599
Z shell.
 
user1804599
also PowerShell
 
@sehe hahah yea sadly
 
@sehe batch is great
 
4:34 PM
Thank God PowerShell is a thing these days
 
I've started looking at using PowerShell more
 
user1804599
PowerShell lacks &&
 
its quite useful
 
@sehe It's like those wooden puzzles
 
@Mr.kbok Fuck that. Royally. For multiple hours. PLEASE
 
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4:34 PM
@sehe ok
 
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thank you God
 
@Mr.kbok no its awful
 
Every attempt to replace an old technology will generally just compete with the previous ones.
 
I've just had the "pleasure" to automate a task with .cmd files the other week.
 
33 secs ago, by Mr. kbok
@sehe It's like those wooden puzzles
I don't mean it's great to get things done
 
4:35 PM
You already said that
 
@sehe such pleasure, much fun
ITT Sturgeons Law applies to software
 
@Mr.kbok What do /you/ use wooden puzzles for? Is this some kind of hipster fetish?
 
@sehe Sure--that's why the effect is named after it--it's the prototype for everything with the pervasively shitty nature (well, no, it's not--it's pretty much a copy of CP/M, which was a mediocre copy of DEC RT-11, which...)
 
@Morwenn Speaking of which, legacy is pervasive. And very dangerous to tackle. Intel tried to replace ancient x86 with Itanium (really bold, cool move) and got burned hard, AMD had to step in and modify x86 into what became AMD64. Intel had to back pedal and get onboard.
 
@sehe mental challenge
 
4:36 PM
@ElimGarak Good example
 
@elyse You're welcome.
 
@Mr.kbok You wat. Yeah. It is somewhat similar. Except, the moving parts are glued fixed.
 
@ElimGarak Of course it's not trivial. The only viable solution is to get everything right, right from the start.
 
impossibru
 
for /F "tokens=1,2* delims=:" %%i in (%CONFIG_FILE%) do (
	set %%i=%%j
)
 
4:37 PM
my dumb is unbounded, what a day
fun code to write but so slow and so dumb :)
 
beautiful
 
@JohanLarsson does it use many pointars
 
Well, at least I feel that I leave maintainable stuff where I go, that's good for the ego.
 
@Mr.kbok -1 needs more pixels
 
@TonyTheLion more pixels?
 
4:39 PM
a bad alteration of "-1 needs more jQuery"
I just didn't want to write jQuery, and now you had me write it twice
 
@ElimGarak Actually, Itanium was (at least) the second and arguably third attempt. When x86 was first being designed, the intentionally crippled it to assure it wouldn't destroy the market for the all-singing, all-dancing iAPX 432 (which is exactly what it did). When they came out with the i860, for a little while they kind of pushed the idea that it could/should replace x86 as well.
 
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I want to write something in COBOL.
 
@elyse In the old days they'd have you take some cod-liver oil when things like that happened.
 
@набиячлевэлиь nope, I don't know any c++ at all. C#/WPF stuff
 
h @Ell o
2
 
Ell
4:42 PM
That was quick
hi :)
 
Ell
I just moved into my bristol accommodation
I feel like a sardine :3
 
ohhhh
is it that small?
 
Ell
Nah it's not too bad really
it's quite nice but it is cosy
 
Now we can meet :)
 
Ell
4:43 PM
and I am sharing a kitchen with 9 other people
 
yikes
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion I think after freshers week would be best :)
 
thats a lot of people to share with
 
Ell
yup
no lock on cupboards either :V
 
I can barely fathom the idea of sharing with one other person
 
4:43 PM
you guys live near each other?
 
@Ell sure
@Mr.kbok 3 hours drive away
 
@Ell glib and smelly?
 
but I like driving, and its mostly just motorway
 
@Ell establish an abandoned food policy.
 
@TonyTheLion well, by lounge standards, that's nearby
 
4:44 PM
@Mr.kbok true
 
All food labeled, or up for grabs.
 
Ell
@sehe packed tightly into a tin :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "If you're not there to protect it, it must be abandoned and I can eat it." :-)
 
That way if food is left to rot, the culprits are known.
 
@Mr.kbok Then I guess that you don't live far from me by Lounge standards too :p
 
4:46 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes That reminds me of the pears I need to throw out
 
@Ell :) I knew
 
@Morwenn Hmm...I live on the west coast of the US. If the Concorde were still flying, that would only be around three hours from London, so I'm "nearby" as well, right? :-)
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes That is a great idea
 
@Mr.kbok I was thinking more of these:
 
Ell
4:47 PM
Only me and one other person has moved in so far though
 
@JerryCoffin Well, London is probably closer from my house than Paris but it's still a few more hours.
 
Ell
I'm not sure how the cupboard allocation is supposed to be
 
@Morwenn I think it's 4h30, but yeah
 
I could take a Eurostar straight to Paris from here
 
4:48 PM
@Mr.kbok Oh, I thought you mentioned Brittany at some point.
 
@Morwenn Then again Rerito lives a few km away from me but we never met
 
@Ell That's not too bad. I lived in a 15-student house with a shared kitchen (I don't think some of us would even survive the sight of that)
 
@Morwenn I lived in Rennes for a few months, and also in Brest for a few months too.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes heh. He really does look like him
I wondered the other day if it could have actually been him
 
@Mr.kbok Oh, so you were close :(
 
Ell
4:49 PM
I think he was a little too slim though maybe
 
@Morwenn Well London and Paris are pretty close to each other, so close to one is clearly close to the other (but taking the Chunnel from London, I prefer to head to Brussels instead of Paris).
 
@JerryCoffin Man, that thing is ancient, but it was so fast! However, I've always found its cockpit to be terrifyingly low-tech for such a speed demon.
 
@набиячлевэлиь just add a few more, like boost/format.hpp or zlib.h
 
@JerryCoffin Well, London and Paris are closer from each other than they are from Brest :p
 
4:50 PM
@Morwenn I was, but that was four years ago.
Hopes that clears your doubt
 
Probably biased due to being a youngster.
 
@ElimGarak Who needs technology? Just fly so high nothing can get in your way (except maybe an SR-71 or ballistic missile).
 
@Mr.kbok I was aready near Brest 23 years ago...
 
@ElimGarak Now here's the high-tech cockpit to which I was once (sort of) accustomed:
 
you flew that?
or you coded for it?
 
4:55 PM
@JerryCoffin What kind of plane is that?
You flew fighters right?
 
boeing b52 stratofortress
 
Or did I bork my memory?
 
The Boeing B-52 Stratofortress is a long-range, subsonic, jet-powered strategic bomber. The B-52 was designed and built by Boeing, which has continued to provide support and upgrades. It has been operated by the United States Air Force (USAF) since the 1950s. The bomber is capable of carrying up to 70,000 pounds (32,000 kg) of weapons. Beginning with the successful contract bid in June 1946, the B-52 design evolved from a straight wing aircraft powered by six turboprop engines to the final prototype YB-52 with eight turbojet engines and swept wings. The B-52 took its maiden flight in April 1952...
 
@Mysticial B-52. No, I worked on planes, didn't fly them. I'd guess my 20/400 vision might be a bit of a problem from their viewpoint.
 
woah, cool :)
 
4:56 PM
ahhhh
 
@Morwenn Maybe we crossed ways, but I don't remember seeing any red-haired geek there :)
 
@ScottW :)
 
@TonyTheLion "Stratofortress" is a very cool word
 
@Mr.kbok I'm not red-haired .____.
 
@Morwenn You look like on your picture
 
4:57 PM
There was also the super-high-tech cockpit of the might KC-135:
 
@Mr.kbok Looks like a cool plane too
 
The good thing about those is that you can lose some flight instruments due to failures and still have access to the rest of them. The modern ones with huge displays which cluster the avionics frontend can fail and you are in a big mess if it goes out. It sure looks cool, but a terrifying prospect.
 
@Mr.kbok It's the light, combined with the shitty camera, combined with the wig (which is almost black) I guess.
 
^ 787. But there's always the copilot "redundancy". Unless the displays get fucked. The issue is that the actual avionics might be completely functional while you can't get a read out. I guess there is a fallback system. I hope there is.
 
@ElimGarak Thanks, Obama
 
Ell
4:59 PM
Okay what am I supposed to do now I'm here? :V
 
fap?
@ElimGarak ohhh they have heads up display?
 
@TonyTheLion Yeah, it's pretty cool.
 
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