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15:00
@sehe I accelerated too much and my engines blew up due to overheating through atmospheric friction.
I just don't want to make it too luck-dependent
It won't matter for averages, and the real kickers with luck are last layer skips.
true, I'm mostly concerned about personal best here
I rarely measure averages
3v0
3v0
how can I emulate a hardware device in windows, so that device manager doesnt say theres a poblem
15:01
woops just blew up my engines again
Solve on a different face then.
yeah i could try that
But there's a reason most cubers don't start on the face with the easiest cross.
how come?
It doesn't affect much and face-independence is hard.
15:03
I see
Lookahead is easier when your eyes are trained for certain colours.
Hey @sehe
@R.MartinhoFernandes Agreed
I tried to solve the cross on yellow and I don't find it harder than on white but I haven't tried the other colors
@Mr.kbok yesh?
15:04
also I'm relatively slow so probably it would have an impact when/if I'll get faster
You can record livecoding sessions right?
The cross is just as easy, but F2L and pattern recognition for LL is affected.
gotta learn that stuff
Lookahead is finding patterns while the cube moves, so the less you have to process the better.
@Mr.kbok Yes
15:07
My group should be called soon. Ttyl
@Borgleader Yeah, pretty much tablets.
Ell
Ell
my my
@sehe I can remind you of this periodically.
Ell
Ell
my head hurts so muchhh
@Mr.kbok Every streaming software can record locally, so you don't need anything from the provider anyway
15:08
@Ell no ibuprofen?
@CatPlusPlus sure
but effort
Ell
Ell
I'll have some paracetamol in a min
If you want any semblance of quality that's the only option anyway
@sehe Do I have to tag the start time when I start streaming? Or can I do that at the end?
@Nooble tempting
15:09
a very Kerbal problem- how do I do better than Mach 5 in atmosphere without exploding?
Why without exploding
@Mr.kbok huh?
@sehe iow how does that work?
What is "tag" in this context? And what is "start time"
I find the interface confusing
15:10
@Mr.kbok recording? I don't use it. livecoding.tv retains the vods by default
@Mr.kbok Which one, bub. The site or the software
(I mean, this way it is even more confusing)
@kbok I'll be a bit late to the Jam (15 minutes) due to train delays.
/cc @Lalaland
@Nooble Ah, crap. Do we wait for you to pick the themes?
> C++ has pointers, whereas Java and C# do not. All three languages support references.
@Nooble Seconds Game Traffic Jam
from "Data structures and algorithms for game developers"
15:11
@milleniumbug show me a language that doesn't have references
@sehe assembly?
not sure if actually a language
@Mr.kbok No, start without me. Also doesn't Scott pick the theme?
@Mr.kbok not true. Indirect addressing == references
@Nooble Okay.
@Mr.kbok hehe. of course it is
user406009
15:13
Does this work: livecoding.tv/lalaland1125
2
user406009
?
I see xxx videos
I suppose it works
@kbok Are we all gonna be on Mumble?
Ell
Ell
what time is jam? 17:00?
@Ell Starts in two hours.
Ell
Ell
15:14
ie in 47 minutes
oh kk
all I see is porn
@Lalaland yes
@Nooble I think
Well an hour and 47 minutes.
@Ell no, 1h47 minutes
15:15
no 107 minutes
user406009
If we are going to be livestreaming individually, mumble will get in the way of that.
user406009
Arg, the stream really eats my CPU.
not with PTT (in my experience)
I'm muting my livestream.
@Lalaland Wut. It's 10% for me.
15:16
6% for OBS.
probably depends on the cpu
user406009
@sehe What resolution do you run at?
Pentium III ftw
user406009
Trying 1080p here.
@sehe my "past broadcasts" is empty. Am I missing something?
user406009
15:17
Also, are we doing livecoding or twitch? Which is better?
Ell
Ell
I am just mumbling
I'm doing livecoding'
more topical
Ell
Ell
though I'll probably miss half an hour of the jam because I have to check into my flight
15:17
@Mr.kbok did you broadcast before?
@sehe Yes. Yesterday evening.
@Mr.kbok You might have deleted it. And they did have troubles yesterday (I think I actually lost the first part of my 3 sessions y'day now you mention it)
uff I should study algorithms
but today I'm tired
@Lalaland that's some seriously old school UI
user406009
?
15:19
dat window decoration
user406009
i3 is actually quite easy to use.
user406009
There's only really 4 keyboard commands you have to know.
Ell
Ell
the window decoration is old school though
I thought I was gonna be late, but we start at 1700 UTC :D
user406009
Windows-D, Windows-Enter, Windows-Number, Windows-Shift-Number
Ell
Ell
15:21
you forgot windows w, h, v
user406009
Those ones aren't vital for most uses.
Ell
Ell
and windows arrow key
@sehe Okay.
I'd probably try tubyube live these days on the account of HTML5
Ell
Ell
Yeah I can't watch any livecoding bcos no html5
15:23
@CatPlusPlus Perhaps you meant: porntube
fuck I popped a cubie
first time on this cube
interesting
user406009
Does Youtube's live streaming work with HTML 5?
15:25
Sfar as I know
:< 1:02, 1:05 on the Pyraminx. Horrible.
@Lalaland Offline
I made a github team for the marmalade 2 (easier to find repos)
user406009
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Switching to youtube.
Probably better to make team per, well, team
15:29
@Lalaland Is it better?
user406009
We'll see.
user406009
Can't be any worse than livecoding.tv
Haha.
Saw that.
user406009
So are we doing audio individually in our streams? Or all on mumble?
Mumble!
@Lalaland hehehe
Yep works and HTML5
> Live Streaming is not available in your country due to rights issues.
@Lalaland oh it's you
hooray youtube
15:34
oh f***
> LINK : fatal error LNK1000: Internal error during IMAGE::BuildImage
I need some naming help. I have a Property class template. If the property changes, a notify signal is sent out that listeners can subscribe to. There are two types of signals. One is an 'empty' signal that is just an indication that something has changed. The second actually sends the changed value along with the signal.

The notification type is a template parameter for the Property class. Any ideas what I can name the two notification types?
@Lalaland we're watching a stream of you watching a stream etc.
@Prismatic what's the reason you (want to) have both flavours? (hint: this is your key to chosing the names)
Ell
Ell
I would just keep with the latter signal
To have more problems with templates obviously
15:37
@sehe Because sometimes a property may be tied to a heavy object. If the property is changed very often, then sending out the changed object (which happens by value) is an unnecessary expense.
user406009
@sehe The trick was setting the x264 speed setting.
user406009
I set it so "ultrafast", and now it's down to 15% CPU usage.
Specifically I'd imagine there are cases when you want to know something has changed but don't particularly care what the new value is.
user406009
Why are you sending the changed object by value?
user406009
Do it by constant reference.
15:39
The best way to stream is to use another PC to encode
@Lalaland Signal connections can exist across threads
@Prismatic can't the signal just have arbitrary parameters? signal<> is empty, signal<int>, signal<double, float, bool, etc> ?
user406009
@Prismatic Ah, this is your magical multithreaded UI framework.
lol
Multithreaded UI is a very good idea
Why have one thread sit idle most of the time when you can have multiple
user406009
@CatPlusPlus It's a great increase of complexity which is mostly unnessary.
15:42
@melak47 Yep! My base class allows you to specify a notifier callback that can be anything you wish. But I use the Property class with the two Notifier types so often that I want classes I can drop in without having to fully specify each time
No, really
@CatPlusPlus The UI runs on a single thread, this Property class is just part of a general framework with thread safe signals.
You can specify whatever kind of Notifier you want, including one that just passes the pointer of your property if you don't care about thread safety
use an atomic<T*>, that'll help :D
NotifierType::Full, NotifierType::Empty ?
Empty almost makes it sound like there's no notification at all
Ell
Ell
I can't think of a use case for the latter
15:45
Important announcement: agar.io
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@Ell If you know something has changed you might schedule some operation where the current value of the property is irrelevant
/cc @ElimGarak
Ell
Ell
@Prismatic I can't think of when you'd do this I mean
I can't think of a use case
ie an example
General frameworks made without use cases tend to be very usable
15:47
"The geometry of this object has changed, schedule a rebuild of the vertex buffer"
how can multiple versions of MSVC screw everything in a build every time?
I have linux machines with tons of gcc versions and they all happily get along
@CatPlusPlus Its not a framework, its just a bunch of helper classes so its more like a toolbox.
I have VS2013 and VS2015 here: build f**ked up
it's absolutely stunning
are you trying to mix objects from the two?
@MarcoA. I have VS2010, 2012 and 2013 on the same machine. Things build well in each of them.
15:48
@Borgleader can't say the same unfortunately
I'm building C++ projects generated by a build system, not slns
guys
we have 2012 and 2015 at work currently.
@Puppy so you didn't work during 2013 and 2014
which framework/toolkit for 2d sprites with c#?
no we just didn't bother upgrading from 2012 to 2013
Ell
Ell
15:55
@Prismatic surely the rebuilding process needs to see the new geometry of the object?
@Ell " where the current value of the property is irrelevant" meaning the old geometry is useless.
Ell
Ell
right, but a "Full" signal would send the new geometry
@Ell Not immediately when it changes. You'd mark something dirty, then do a rebuild at some later point
Ell
Ell
you'd still rather do that in the signal handler though, right?
Ell
Ell
15:56
jobs.post(rebuild(object, new_geometry))
or with bind or lambda or w/e
Sending the new geometry over every time it changes is absurd
@thecoshman oh, that's too bad. hope you get better.
Ell
Ell
so you will just have old vertex buffers some of the time?
@Prismatic I think that ideally the source geometry would not change during rendering?
@Ell Of course, unless you want to stall the pipeline uploading new data. You might need to batch it, sort it, whatever it. Geometry updates don't happen immediately
I don't really get why you're having so much trouble coming up with cases when you don't send data over along with when it changes. "Hey, you've received an email, would you like to read it?" // why send over the email data in this case?
Based on the current state of a program you might not care that some property has changed at a time point A, but you might care at some other time point B. Its just an option
16:02
You can as well never send the data and always query it in the callback
Why should I "always" do anything? I already provide the option for the dev to do whatever the hell they want by using custom notifiers. All I want are names for the two specific kinds of notification I'm talking about.
You could send any kind of notification to wherever the hell you want if you set it up with a custom notifier
Because you're complicating the design
But presets are easy and I'm lazy
Ccr
Ccr
who can change this line-->"We're a rowdy bunch, but deep down we love each other" and how?
Ell
Ell
fuck I wasn't supposed to have caffeine.
sheeit.
too late :v
16:04
@Ccr Jeff Atwood changes it from time to time.
Ccr
Ccr
@Mr.kbok is he only one who can change ?
user406009
I think I am going to have to admit that I don't have enough bandwidth to stream.
@Ell why not?
Ell
Ell
it's a laxative
@Ccr Yes, when they update the chat. They didn't for at least four years, though.
Ell
Ell
16:06
and I don't need a laxative vOv
user406009
I believe any of the owners can change that.
@Lalaland dude
@Lalaland Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I think I've got too much lift.
Only I can change it, indeed.
16:08
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ You're Jeffrey Atwood?
No, I'm exhausted
I want this t-shirt
you monster :p
Really funny
Ccr
Ccr
so you are the owner of this lounge @ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ
He's the boss
I've also created SO
Why am I so tired
jam anxiety
please don't bail out
What?
I never said I was in.
16:10
oh, lol
I gotta finish this stupid uni project
well feel free to give up and go have a beer then
Ccr
Ccr
i remember once i had two small sip of beer, and i went mad! :P
Good job
@Ccr o.O Your alcohol tolerance is shit
16:12
fuck it
when two engines is not enough, make four engines.
Intel Space Program
@Puppy said @ElimGarak
Ccr
Ccr
yes, bt i had vodka and whiskey too, though i cant dring much, beer was too much
Ell
Ell
I might bail out jam vOv
@CatPlusPlus Interview: How are you dealing with your lack of ROship? What are the new challenges you go through day by day? Have you got any regrets regarding your decision?
user406009
Wait, who's the new owner now?
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ No
user406009
Nooble?
user406009
That would be rather strange. Considering that she doesn't really use the internet that much.
user406009
Perhaps. How would I know?
16:15
ಠ_ಠ
@Lalaland I don't use the internet either. Where are you getting at?
eh
the additional engines did not make anything better
@Lalaland I am?!
Wait no :(
#Nooble2015
@Lalaland This room has no owners.
Except me.
16:20
okay I'll use monogame
pray for me
@Mr.kbok For what?
The jam
@Mr.kbok Ah.
that way all those pesky linux naggers will be satisfied
Use OpenGL.
16:21
you're insane
Valid observation.
user406009
@Mr.kbok What would you have used otherwise?
@Lalaland I used GDI+ before, and Direct2D in C++ (I believe there are decent C# wrappers)
Use C++ and OpenGL.
@Nooble Careful or we'll dye your fur blue and call you a smurf.
16:23
But it seems I'm always getting back to MonoGame. You know, it used to be called XNA.
A winning combination.
@Nooble for a segfault contest, yes
@JerryCoffin D:
Well I already have an engine!
A crappy one.
yes but it's yours
Beat me to it.
16:24
you made it with love. that's what really counts.
Yep.
I hope it does actually display things too because it counts a bit also :P
@Mr.kbok I need to fix it up when I get home.
Then it'll render things.
Thanks to @ElimGarak and @Borgleader.
That BearLibTerminal library can render any kind of tiles
Ccr
Ccr
@Lalaland THAT <botany++> loked better. and confusing if some one is looking for c++ :P
16:27
@CatPlusPlus Its great
Ccr
Ccr
I know who keeps raising those flags for no reason...->> what is this about?
everything is in the message I guess
@BartekBanachewicz You probably don't want to. I made a crappy engine in OpenGL to compete.
And I'm determined to use it.
@Ccr That's a good thing, since we don't really want to attract people who are looking for c++
user406009
@Ccr Flags are a chat feature to mark messages as being really, really inappropriate. Think like really racist comments. It annoys all the people with high rep.
user406009
16:31
So we don't want people flagging stuff without good reason.
@Puppy That wouldn't matter, they'll be attracted regardless because of your pretty face.
@Nooble derp. good luck then
so, anyone else wanting to team up?
aww...
@Nooble you've got an admirer
WB tags are much classier than ours
Expert in: super-powers magic survival
I probably have C++ and javascript D:
16:40
@Mr.kbok haha
get mumbling guys
I'm TSing actually
World building is the second most awesome site on SE network
> The solution is, of course, cicadas
@BartekBanachewicz for the jam?
16:40
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A: Need to start a religion with a predefined self-destruct

WrzlprmftThe solution is, of course, cicadas. I quote Wikipedia: [Periodical cicadas] spend most of their 13- and 17-year lives underground feeding on xylem fluids from the roots of deciduous forest trees in the eastern United States. After 13 or 17 years, mature cicada nymphs emerge at any given loca...

@Mr.kbok ye, with lalalala
how's the jam going
who's losing
@Prismatic in that case send the reference and let the handler take s copy if needed?

Marmalade II

Marmalade II room
I created a room specific to the marmalade since you guys aren't on mumble
16:49
@Puppy So cute.
@Mr.kbok I'll be on Mumble!
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Hasn't started.
And I'll be 10 or 15 minutes late D:
@BartekBanachewicz Mumble instead.
@Nooble it's gonna be too noisy
Ell
Ell
@StackedCrooked yeah so cringe
I can't watch it
@BartekBanachewicz Oh ok.
Wait you can make your own channels though!
Ell
Ell
ah wait I do
16:59
@Ell not this room you scrub
Ccr
Ccr
while( !rowdy_bunch=0 ){ love++; }
not sure about your ! placement
Ccr
Ccr
while( rowdy_bunch!=0 ){ love++; }
guys
how many of you here have autism
and do you feel it helped you in your career
(question from the above youtube video)
Ccr
Ccr
17:14
as far as i know i have always been chatterbox until i hit a seriousl realation with a girl. after we broke up i was normal again. :)
@Ccr Perhaps you intended: while (rowdy_bunch) ++love;, or were you intentionally demonstrating ignorance?
3
Ccr
Ccr
@JerryCoffin not intentional for sure.
17:31
/cc @ElimGarak
Is that Blender's monkey head? :p
@JonClements Yeah!
@JonClements She's called Suzanne D:
17:49
@LucDanton I remembered that Julia exists. It looks more interesting now
@sehe Richard Smith will have to do that four times then: stackoverflow.com/users/3647361/columbo?tab=reputation
But it feels good to get rid of that dirty rep of mine
Not sure whether they made that happen recently or it was just a documentation issue before
Oh well
@Columbo %
yeah ?
Hmm?
1) Get assimilated
2) Become awesome
3) ???
4) Take over the galaxy
I dont know what you expected =/
18:03
Yo moma has more issues than MSVC's bugzilla
@MarcoA. That would be funny if MSVC had a bugzilla
"bug repository" doesn't sound that good
help me fix it
@Columbo issue closed "By design"
^ the Microsoft way
Yo momma has more issues than VC's template semantics
^ That's sufficient
@TomW Screams Proper template argument deduction? Be grateful for the overload resolution you've got, son!
I don't even C++ bro. So I actually don't know whether it's any good or not. But bashing Microsoft is par for the course.
And I say that working for an affiliate and using a primarily MS stack professionally
18:13
Columbo do you happen to know how is pointar formed?
@chmod711telkitty Today, I spent several hours cleaning my room, and I'm about 90% finished. I'll do the other 90% tomorrow.
@thecoshman I enjoyed watching that video, and it's only 30 minutes.
18:59
@CatPlusPlus I use it infrequently. Definitively my go-to for a lot of things.

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