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5:00 PM
Hey guys.
Guess what?
I'm now a member of the above 301 club.
Wait no.
I'm just at 301.
:(
 
@Griwes Yes what EVE needs is more structure grind
> There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
6
laff
 
Also @Bartek broke the record
 
rand is bad
<random> is better
 
@CatPlusPlus What record?
 
5:14 PM
In staying rage quitted
 
The High Council runs a league.
From the shadows.
 
Ell
@CatPlusPlus how many days is he on?
 
Domagoj busquit for longer.
And Pubby is still out there.
pawnguy too
Granted none were ragequits
 
@unordered_meow I find Rand quite a useful resource. Hundreds of papers covering lots of research, available for free download from www.rand.org. What's not to like?
 
5:21 PM
@JerryCoffin You no longer have 1000x as much rep as me :D
I feel accomplished.
 
Sometime ago at the pub quiz the picture round theme was "assholes" and Ayn Rand was one of the pictures.
 
@Ell At least 2 weeks.
 
@Nooble You still don't have as much rep as I do. I feel like a failure.
 
I think?
 
Ell
Ayn rand wasn't an asshole :3
 
5:23 PM
@JerryCoffin You're so reputable.
 
Good joke
@R.MartinhoFernandes I asked him to come back once and he said no so he counts as a traitor
 
@Nooble You misspelled "refutable".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes busquit? jammy dodger or hobknob?
 
Ell
Who is traitor? Im mobile
 
@CatPlusPlus Thanks. Your feedback is appreciated.
 
5:25 PM
@Nooble I mean Ell's
 
@CatPlusPlus :(
You couldn't even spare me a moment of glory.
I'm sure my joke was good too, right Cat?
 
Yes
Data shovelling is really fucking boring
 
I am creating a dll for Sketchup a 3d modelling plugin. If I include this Init call the plugin will not work in Sketchup. How would I debug such a thing? Attaching to the application does not seem to work.
 
@ScottW He visits sometimes.
 
5:40 PM
didn't he change his name?
 
Did he?
 
He removed his account again
For whatever reason
 
@ScottW Him & I.
 
@MarcoA. bath in a lake of melting water at 2604 above sea level. I can assure you good cooling results
 
What does the ~~~ mean?
 
5:41 PM
~squiggles~
 
So squiggly.
 
is that a thing?
 
@ScottW I see.
 
i'll add that to my arsenal
 
I did it
I made it a thing
 
user1804599
5:42 PM
yay semicolon insertion werks
 
@ʞɔᴉN Up your arsenal.
 
user1804599
 
I blame EVE and also vague influence of anime on the internet
No
 
@elyse looks like python
 
@ScottW YEAH MAN TOTALLY
I was born in the future.
Hey I graduate at that year.
Ok.
Ok :(
Do you play PC games Scott?
Ahh.
Well I was playing Unturned and being shot by a naked black man yesterday when you went on mumble.
@ScottW Let me check.
I know Robot.
And Alex.
I'm also in the Steam group.
I added you.
@ScottW Ich trage Brille.
 
5:52 PM
add meh
only if you play CS:GO though
i go by nicky, thank you very much
 
@ʞɔᴉN I suck at CS:GO.
I play it occasionally.
Mostly I play TF2/Unturned/KSP.
GMod.
 
ew
 
Shut up nicka.
 
no you play TF2
lost all respect
 
Best game.
 
5:57 PM
Pre-hats best game.
 
more like, pre-anyone-ever-having-to-actually-play-it best game
 
Oh and Minecraft but that's not a Steam game.
 
is #pragma optimize(push, on) ... #pragma optimize(pop) a thing?
 
So theres no way to restore an optimization level to what it was? (in MSVC)
 
6:00 PM
> The optimize pragma must appear outside a function and takes effect at the first function defined after the pragma is seen.
 
why would you ever deoptimize a particular function?
 
Empty string resets it seems
 
@CatPlusPlus From whence does this come?
 
John Rogers
 
@CatPlusPlus cool
 
6:04 PM
Amazing what you can find in documentation
 
user1804599
 
@elyse Just wait for government officials to find this, and not understand it's satire/what satire is
 
6:22 PM
@Puppy Usually to deal with a function that generates bad code when optimization is turned on (but the optimization is useful enough that you don't want to turn if off in general). Other times you just want to use different optimizations for different parts of the code.
 
6:33 PM
@Puppy Some people like it when it runs slower. They're called Java users.
 
@Mysticial Some of them are Java users (but there are also people who use Ruby, Python, JavaScript, ...)
 
user1804599
@Jeremy No.
 
user1804599
@Puppy It's a 10 Gloc function full of UB, optimisations make it fail, and refactoring it is too expensive.
 
6:53 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't see how it's confusing considering this person's use case is quite uncommon.
I imagine person with said uncommon use case would look at the docs, find out about it and then go "neat" and use it.
 
Ell
Welp I'm bad at laundry
 
user1804599
s/W/H/
 
For a split second I thought @CatPlusPlus asked a question
 
When in doubt, no
Also why would I ask about cpluspls
 
0 question master race
 
7:00 PM
asking a question that hasn't already been answered is difficult
 
user1804599
answering a question that hasn't already been asked is difficult
 
@ʞɔᴉN Is P=NP?
 
user1804599
If P=NP, then N=1.
 
^
If this answer helped you, please consider marking it as accepted by pressing the green checkmark to the left.
 
user1804599
7:04 PM
NO!
 
@Rapptz pfft, hipster :P
 
user1804599
 
Can't they just close off some ports.
 
@elyse NO!
 
Ell
7:30 PM
It's quiet in here
 
@Ell Mumble.
 
Ell
You just said mumble was empty too :P
 
Xeo
Guys, question time. Do you respond to ASMR triggers?
 
Ell
I do
 
@Xeo Yes
 
7:43 PM
@Xeo I don't think so...
 
Ell
O think I do. i havent tried in a while though
 
> Joint Staff unclassified email system
Doesn't really sound serious.
 
@Xeo Do you?
 
Xeo
Ye
 
@Xeo What kinds of triggers?
 
Xeo
7:51 PM
Anything having to do directly with my ears is what I found works best.
 
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 14.0\VC\INCLUDE\iosfwd(343): warn
ing C4577: 'noexcept' used with no exception handling mode specified; terminatio
n on exception is not guaranteed. Specify /EHsc
ugh. is there a need in such warning?
 
@Ell It doesn't have to be :)
 
I'm just going to leave it as it is, I give up. — MezuCobalt 20 secs ago
 
so I just cooked a dinner to have at work tomorrow... it's packed so tight into that tub it's like a solid brick of food :\ should have used a larger tub
 
Xeo
Now you can also effectively use it as a blunt or throwing weapon
 
user1804599
8:01 PM
@Mysticial Guess why Yahoo! Answers is so full of shit.
 
user1804599
Somebody should ask that on Stack Overflow.
 
@elyse I like how you not only respect their right to being treated as a proper noun, but you respect their stupid punctuation too.
 
@Xeo Not so far, but I haven’t tried much.
 
8:25 PM
do you know a sentence like "log with smile" ? for top of the page ?
 
user1804599
no
 
user1804599
XD
 
@danialdezfooli ... top of the page...
 
yeah
for an alert
 
I have no idea what you've been injecting.
 
8:32 PM
i need a good sentece to replace this one
 
"I'm leaving now"
 
@danialdezfooli That's not sufficient information for anyone to fully understand your problem, much less suggest an answer.
 
@Jeremy I gave him one vOv
 
@thecoshman So did I then, I guess.
 
It's not right to say "If someone could share their experiences...", is it?
 
8:38 PM
I don't know...
wtf is going on, is there some sort of ban on context these days?
 
@thecoshman You're a native English speaker tho
(Or that wasn't a reply to my message, nvm in that case)
 
@Columbo oh, well that sentence makes perfect sense. Imagine some sort 'fat fighters' situation
 
@thecoshman I went with his/her, as your response sounds suspiciously sarcastic.
> responce
 
@Columbo I hear "their" used in this case a lot
 
@Jeremy Me too. Weird, huh
 
8:46 PM
@Columbo Even if it's not completely proper (not sure), using "his/her" or "his or her" sounds like it's overthinking the whole thing. I'd go with "their," as you had before.
 
@Columbo huh?
 
if it makes sense to use 'his/her', it makes sense to use 'their'
 
@thecoshman Didn't know about that
 
well... not always...
"Her tampon" fine, "their tampon"... potential very odd
but yeah, if it makes sense to be gender specific, it would usually still make sense to strip gender out.
 
8:49 PM
well, a man could still own tampons.
what if he is in the business of tampon manufacture or science?
 
> potential
 
Xeo
@Columbo sounds perfectly fine to me
 
@Xeo It did to me, too
 
o_0
 
Ell
I remember dkscoverig nasal Tampons
 
Xeo
8:52 PM
hi cosh2
 
¬_¬
 
You're welcome.
 
his reaction is the real wtf
 
That is yo momma
 
yeah I'm bored of acting like lrio, I'm calling it a night
 
ITT: Lounge turned into Reddit
 
9:39 PM
I wondered why there's I/O starvation on the server doing migration
But there's shitload of logging
And that's probably it
 
fuck logs, just do it right first time!
 
As they say
 
Cat do you have one of these for every occasion?
 
Ell
my alarm is going off in an hour and 40 minutes. This depresses me greatly
 
10:01 PM
why so early
 
HHKB finally coming to massdrop?? <3
so Lounge, which one of you was this guy:
in JavaScript<ball pit>, 15 hours ago, by khajvah
Hello. I just came to say, JavaScript is a piece of shit.
 
10:16 PM
@khajvah probably
Not sure.
 
how many alts do you have?
 
Two, on each side of the keyboard
 
I still don't understand the point of std::valarray
Does someone have a strong opinion about it?
 
strong opinions? in the Lounge?
 
10:24 PM
> In addition, functions and operators that take valarray arguments are allowed to return proxy objects to make it possible for the compiler to optimize an expression such as v1 = a*v2 + v3; as a single loop that executes v1[i] = a*v2[i] + v3[i]; avoiding any temporaries or multiple passes.
Makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
just because it's strong, doesn't make it right :p
 
for (int i = 0; i < v1.size(); ++i) v1[i] = a*v2[i] + v3[i];
Here, no multiple passes and no temporaries.
And I get to use a generic container too.
@chmod711telkitty That's why I didn't ask for the correct opinion. I'm asking for someone to argue his point that std::valarray should stay, to me.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Basically saying that it's optimized to support something on the order of expression templates.
 
@ʞɔᴉN never
 
@ʞɔᴉN Whatever does that poster mean by 'JavaScript is a piece of shit'? What rubbish, the singular is obviously incorrect.
 
10:30 PM
@ʞɔᴉN This is not an "alt" by the way
 
Obviously the solution to get the new Skylake processor and overclock it 5 GHz. It's a conspiracy between Microsoft and Intel. — Mysticial 9 secs ago
 
@Mysticial As if Microsoft ever needed conspirators (or even encouragement) to write software that pushed the limits of any real hardware of the time...
 
seriously though ... if the productivity has been improved, why does it seem that people are working longer hours?
or new technologies were invented to reduce productivity?
 
because we're being held down by the Man
 
@JerryCoffin I've been wondering about that for a while. I run a 16 GB ram drive and my memory usage hovers around 23 - 28 GB even when I'm not running or compiling anything. Where the fuck does the extra 7 - 12 GB come from?
Both Firefox and iTunes are capped at 2GB from being 32-bit apps.
Going back a few years to my first 64GB machine running Vista, the OS never used more than like 3GB and even then it could be dropped to below 1GB if I did something tricky with the page file.
So it was actually possible to get Task Manager to show <1GB usage of 64GB total. The line being glued to the bottom of the graph where you couldn't even see it.
 
10:47 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I have a very strong feelings about it, as once I assumed it was like Boost.AccumulatorSet with O(1) sum/product/average and tried to used it on high school final exam as such (no references nor internet access there, I was reading the standard library headers as documentation). Let me tell you, that was my biggest disappointment in C++ standard library.
 
I meant a strong opinion on it making sense :P
 
Now that I look at it, it's essentially a bastard child, nobody uses it therefore it's not popular, it's not popular so nobody uses it. Also the optimizations it was supposed to enable don't make any sense on the platforms we currently use.
 
@Nooble accept my PR!
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ My annoyance doesn't make any sense? Darn it.
 
@unordered_meow It does.
in Bar<C++>, 1 min ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
I will go to bed now if you eat some food this week
Can anyone make sense of this message?
 
11:00 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ LRiO got a cat
 
@ʞɔᴉN Nice.
 
@unordered_meow IDGI
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Oh you mean with also looking at the surrounding context? :3
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ It's LRiO's initial offer in the proposed deal
 
@Nooble Thanks, I'm very proud of my first C++.
 
11:02 PM
@ʞɔᴉN ++C is better.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ He let you in that room??
 
No one's on the mumble :(
 
@Nooble Obj-C++ is the preferred language
 
@Nooble Not strictly better, it just means the improvements can be already seen in the language, and not in the successor.
 
@unordered_meow ++C is a language I invented.
It's better in every way.
 
11:04 PM
@ʞɔᴉN Objective-C++/C#/Java
 
@unordered_meow now that's a great language
 
Ultimate chimera language!
 
@ʞɔᴉN Not for long, lol
 
lol, I just read the last comments
RIP
 
11:08 PM
robot soccer game - the video was hilarious :p
 
@Nooble fine
 
@Nooble lol
 
@Nooble lol, everyone had themselves muted
I'm at work now though.. working
 
@ʞɔᴉN I'm at home homing.
 
Home homing? What.
 
I still haven't heard @thecoshwanker speak yet
edits for maximum ping
 
@Mysticial The kernel will keep as nearly much memory occupied as it can. Code that's no longer in use will remain in memory until the memory is needed for something else, just in case you decide to run that code again. Same with unmodified data. Most of it can be dumped in a heartbeat any time it's no longer needed though.
 
@chmod711telkitty More exciting than regular football
 
Isn't it? Thoes tiny footsteps :p
 
11:18 PM
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A: C++ valarray vs. vector

Jerry Coffinvalarray is kind of an orphan that was born in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's an attempt at optimization, fairly specifically for the machines that were used for heavy-duty math when it was written -- specifically, vector processors like the Crays. For a vector processor, what you gener...

 
@JerryCoffin That I know, but it shows up as "cached" in TM. Memory that's used for caching doesn't block allocations that need it.
 
@JerryCoffin Thanks
 
@Mysticial Oh, you're talking about memory that shows up as "used" in TM?
 
Anyway, good night folks.
 
nn
 
11:29 PM
@chmod711telkitty At least in the US, there's little evidence of that being true.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ G'night.
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah. I typically see around 25 GB used out of 64GB. Exactly 16 GB of it is from the ram drive (which I don't bother disabling). But when even when I turn it off, I still see 7 - 9GB used.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ night
 
@chmod711telkitty This part was heartbreaking: youtu.be/iNLcGqbhGcc?t=6m39s
 
FF + iTunes are the only bloatware that I usually have open. But combined, they never really exceed 3GB (and can't exceed 4GB).
 
@Mysticial What does the "Processes" tab show for which processes using the most memory?
 
I'd be tempted to program them to knock the opponents over every now and then, if the officials aren't looking
 
11:33 PM
@JerryCoffin I'll check when I get back. I remember looking at it before, and at a quick glance, it didn't add up.
 
@Mysticial Yeah, it doesn't (very well), but still gives some idea of what's using how much. The "private working set" column is at least a little closer to reality than the "working set".
 
I do know that Windows by default will "use" 3% of the total memory for I/O buffering. But it will automatically release it when you run out of memory.
But what I'm seeing is that my dual-socket 64GB box from years ago boots up with 3.3 / 64GB used. And my 8-core Haswell boots with like 7 GB / 64GB. It's kinda dumb.
Not that I cared too much about it since there's only been a handful of instances where I ran it to 60GB to where it would matter.
 
@Mysticial It'll use quite a bit more than that if available--it starts by trying to reserve 3%, then adjusts from there based on availability.
@Mysticial Part is undoubtedly that the working set trimmer is just running less often, so less of the working set is paged out at any given time. This is actually a good thing (saves time to page that data in and out).
 
Eh, the new benchmark produces less glorious results.
 
@Morwenn Presumably that "number of elements to sort" has a unit of "millions" or some such?
 
11:39 PM
@JerryCoffin Nope. It's a small fixed-size array sort.
 
then...how many trials is it?
 
Which falls back to std::sort above 32 elements.
One million arrays sorted per array size.
 
1 second to sort 40 elements? If you ask me, that's pretty bad.
 
@Mysticial 1 million times, so roughly a microsecond to do it once.
 
oh
Wait. If I wanted to sort something a million times, I'd sort it once and do nothing for the remaining 999,999 instances. :)
 
11:42 PM
@Morwenn In that case, why would anybody care? Have you run into a situation where sorting tiny arrays occupies enough CPU time that it would be worthwhile even if you sped it up quite a bit?
 
You would. But you may have to sort one million small fixed-size arrays.
 
@Mysticial #optimization
 
@JerryCoffin I don't have a use case myself, but it was kind of fun to do.
I sometimes had to sort 3 to 6 elements and guessed that there were specific optimal algorithms for these array sizes. Now, there might be use cases where you have millions of such arrays to sort. I don't know.
 
Hmmm, yet another time I triggered ICE in g++ 4.9.2
 
@Morwenn A typical implementation of std::sort is going to use an insertion sort once the collection is close to sorted, so it basically automatically switches to something optimized for small sizes when/if you're dealing with tiny collections.
 
11:49 PM
@JerryCoffin I know. This once is only even more optimized for really small sizes known at compile time (there is one algorithm per array size). We can see that it becomes slower circa 30 elements by the way.
 
That said, I only tested it against libstdc++'s std::sort. It could be interesting to compare it to libc++ one, as well as timsort and pdqsort.
@Jeremy I used the exact website mentioned in this question to generate the algorithms.
That said, optimal sorting networks do not sort an array with an optimal number of comparisons. So there may still be better algorithms than the ones I used.
 
stop.. spamming.. FLAGS
thanks.
 
Hi lemon
 

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