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12:00 AM
@CatPlusPlus lol on
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
oh man reddit is exploding
 
@Prismatic What do you mean?
 
@Prismatic what's going on?
 
@Prismatic Good
 
12:08 AM
Come on Pris, have you got a visual or what? Over.
 
I didnt even know threads could have that many replies
 
Are they crying about freedom of speech yet
 
iunno
 
@Prismatic I really like the right half of this display
 
I think they've made their content policy more or less "If we don't like it, we'll ban it" and people are upset
 
12:12 AM
For some reason I love cleanly done debug UI
 
@Borgleader It was really helpful to debug scene graph issues! Definitely recommend setting up something similar if you're doing scenegraph stuff. The different colors represent different node types (shaders, transforms, geometry, etc)
 
About time reddit started to purge shit
redditbomb was like 2 years ago geez
Or 3 even
 
@Prismatic When I finally get to working on graphic stuff at home, I'll definitely make debugging stuff like this. Otherwise debugging shit is a nightmare.
 
@CatPlusPlus It would bug me if they're only making the policy changes to appease advertisers. That would mean they have no backbone and problem with the content they are banning individually, and that they are just paving the way for sponsored content which will no doubt suck
 
12:17 AM
@CatPlusPlus whats a redditbomb
 
@Prismatic lol it's a company that I don't think has ever been profitable
 
Broadwell so kill.
@CatPlusPlus ~Reddit Gold~
 
Somehow it didn't help :v
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't even
How did it even interpreted it that way
 
Because speech recognition is still garbage
@Prismatic A campaign to ban /r/jailbait and similar crap courtesy of violentacrez or whatever his name was
 
12:21 AM
I don’t understand why you’d use voice commands for key things such as movement. What’s next, a convenient voice command to shut all systems down?
 
Because ~~my immersion~~
 
@LucDanton Shut it DOWN
 
Ah, yes. A future where software engineering and interface design are still dumb.
all of the realism
 
I can't see my keyboard through my VR goggles!!!
 
Is that really an argument?
 
12:23 AM
Voice commands makes sense for VR/AR.
 
Dunno really, I try not to listen to those nerds
 
@MarkGarcia Do they? I don’t really look at my keyboard regardless.
I know it’s there. It’s not going to scamper away.
 
Like, hands-free, roam-around computing.
 
ya okay
 
I can understand head tracking and HOTAS and whatever but talking at your computer is just 2dumb4me
 
12:25 AM
Well, don’t pilot a spaceship while walking around is my advice.
 
If you see those HoloLens demos you realize voice is pretty essential.
 
Also programming a response to 'thank you' laffo
 
internet drama is so fascinating
 
@Prismatic It's all circlejerk.
 
Does hololens have a release date yet
 
12:26 AM
@MarkGarcia That's some sexy shit
 
@Prismatic Next year.
 
namespace
{
    // we are anonymous....
}
 
The best thing about HoloLens is that it exploded a rocket
 
@Morwenn 6/10
 
12:27 AM
Apple dun it, duh.
 
@Morwenn 6.5/10 :P
nobody will get that reference
 
@Morwenn 6+/10
 
I still can't get through all the marketing bullshit and prerendered trailers
What does the fucking thing even do
 
@Morwenn tips fedora
 
Because it sure as hell does not do the things they show on the video
 
12:29 AM
@CatPlusPlus Watch the E3 minecraft thing, they put one on the camera that was filming the table.
 
{
int x = 42; // Nobody will get a reference
}
 
@MarkGarcia Yeah I know. Skylake doesn't look that great so far.
@Borgleader The box is sexy.
About half the reviews show regressions in gaming/real-world performance from Haswell.
 
@Borgleader Scripted as fuck
 
That said, I won't be doing real-world shit on a Skylake box, but still...
 
@Mysticial Is it me or so far DDR4 seems like... its not much of an upgrade over DDR3
 
12:32 AM
@Morwenn Hehe
{ yourself }.
 
@Borgleader The latency isn't any better. The bandwidth is.
 
@Mysticial Seriously? That's unfortunate... although I have an Ivy Bridge proc so it might be an upgrade for me... Might have to wait on cannon lake =/
 
I would want a non-Iris Skylake with L4/eDRAM.
 
Memory latency is more or less capped out. It's not gonna get much faster.
 
It kinda feels like Molyneux
 
12:33 AM
As long as your memory is not on chip, memory latency isn't going to get much lower.
So that limit has been hit. But you can still keep cranking up the frequency and adding wider and more channels.
 
@MarkGarcia That's a good one.
 
Though memory frequency is rapidly approaching that of the CPUs. So that's probably gonna hit a wall in the next few generations as well.
 
@Nooble return of_the_jedi;
 
@Borgleader int eresting;
 
@Mysticial The only exciting thing I've seen RAM wise was for gpus
 
12:35 AM
double penetration;
2
wait
that's gross
 
:getin:
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ char mander;
 
string cheese;
 
@Borgleader TBH, I don't care that much about memory latency. Hyperthreading hides most of it anyway.
Unless you're trying to traverse a linked list. Then you're just asking for it.
 
@Mysticial Uh, why's that?
 
12:37 AM
@Mysticial Wut.
 
double exposure; maybe?
 
@MarkGarcia When one thread hits a cache miss, the other thread takes over.
 
@Mysticial What if they both hit a cache misss
 
@Mysticial One gets data from the cache, then another from RAM?
 
bool ean;
 
12:38 AM
@Borgleader That's unlikely if the program is well written and the task is more compute bound.
 
@Mysticial What if I'm game programmer :P /cc @EtiennedeMartel
 
A few months ago, I ran my Pi program through VTune and discovered some memory accesses that were cache missing badly. So I went through and prefetched out those misses and they disappeared from the VTune hotspot. When I run it single-threaded, the performance increased by 5%. When it multi-threaded, there was no change at all.
@Borgleader Then you're fucked.
 
But not because of cache
 
Hot thing in C++ right now: cache is cash.
 
Cache is overrated
 
12:41 AM
@Mysticial Its a problem on GPUs, AFAIK a lot of games of late have increased their performance by slimming down their GBuffers because of bandwidth issues... I think
 
Solution is to stop making AAA games :v
 
Yeah antialias sucks
 
@MaiLongdong But it already is Anti-Anti-Alias!
 
I don't remember which version I pushed out that prefetching patch. (probably v0.6.8) But sure as hell nobody noticed the difference. They would've had to have been running a Haswell i5 and comparing between adjacent releases.
 
@MaiLongdong Ah, you wouldn't want to replace your sweet sweet alias.
 
12:45 AM
AAA is adaptive anti aliasing
It's also the sound I make when a spider is in sight
 
Alcoholic anti aliasing
 
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Anti aliasing anonymous
 
> Extension methods: probably the best feature of C#
no
 
Fun fact: Scott is always muted.
 
12:48 AM
No, the best feature of C# is not being Java
 
So what's the best feature of Java?
 
(Java language) Ability to declare main function for every class
 
the VM
 
The VM and the ecosystem
And tools
In general
 
The JVM is pretty neat.
 
12:53 AM
pls suggest alternative to OwnCloud that actually works
 
I'd use Scala though.
 
There isn't one
 
@MaiLongdong iCloud, but your dick picks will be all over reddit
 
already are
 
Scala is annoying
@MaiLongdong sshfs
 
12:53 AM
@Borgleader picks
 
@Borgleader you meant his longdong pics
 
Any S3 client with encryption
 
@CatPlusPlus butt with a webgallery and links I can share etc
 
Actually ownCloud sucks at encryption afair
 
@MaiLongdong s3
 
12:55 AM
> RAM is volatile and non persistent
Brought to you by the department of redundancy department
 
They mean it explodes
 
volatile char RAM[16 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024];
 
And also quickly changes its mind
 
volatile and non persistent and also doesn't maintain state and also contents fade over time and also
 
explodes
 
12:57 AM
Yeah my RAM explodes like all the time.
 
@Nooble you should get that checked by a doctor.
also, why abandon Mumble? you mumble-abandoner
 
Abandon mumble?
 
> Memory
> Up to 6TB (96 DIMM slots)
lel
 
@MaiLongdong Yep. Good stuff.
 
BUT IT IS VOLATILE AND NON PERSISTENT
6 TB
what do you even fit in 6 TB
don't say Bartek's mom
 
12:59 AM
she'd probably fit
 
@MaiLongdong Your mom.
 
I'll be dead by the time I fill even 2 TB of storage
 
Careers read-only test will be happening in a few moments - we’re testing the Denver data center for about 10-15 minutes.
 
Nobody care ers
 
@MaiLongdong GitLab instance, surely
 
1:01 AM
 
@Mysticial Nah
I'm already running out of 2TB
 
No? What about your grandmother?
 
@MaiLongdong is smaller than I thought
 
Because they don't use rubby / jabbascript
Or ~~modern webdev techniques~~ where you spawn a VM per request
 
@MaiLongdong i thought that was PHP
 
1:04 AM
PHP isn't that slow anymore
 
@MaiLongdong sounds practical, I'm gonna do this from now on
PHP is Hitler
 
@MaiLongdong maybe, but I thought that was PHP style
 
@unordered_meow That's what the H in PHP stands for
 
spawning a new process per request
 
@ʞɔᴉN Not necessary true with HHVM.
 
1:06 AM
Nobody uses HHVM
Well, except Facebook
Every other PHP site will die before they reach a scale like that anyway
 
@MaiLongdong PHP: PHP is Hitler Peanutzi?
 
Perhaps Hitler Programs
 
Programming Hitler's Penis?
 
come join the real Lounge

JavaScript

Topic: Anything JavaScript, ECMAScript including Node, React, ...
 
Longue
 
1:35 AM
@ʞɔᴉN I guess if you mean "real" as in "doesn't support integers", it's true, but I don't see why I'd want to join it...
 
I am suffering from a minor depression
like ... I still laugh all the times, but I am also slightly depressed
 
@JerryCoffin 64 bit floating point ints are the future
 
2:00 AM
@ʞɔᴉN "floating point ints"...so are those floating in the ocean, or a pool, or what? Do they drink those silly drinks with fruit and umbrellas while they're floating?
 
What's wrong with umbrella drinks?
 
@ʞɔᴉN I didn't say there was anything wrong with them, just that they were silly. When I was in high school, I knew a girl who was quite silly, and believe you me, there was absolutely nothing wrong with her!
 
Jerry you silly man
serious question though
is there a performance hit to using floats over ints, other than wasted memory obviously?
 
@ʞɔᴉN Of course
 
Performance hit used to horrendous, but now thanks to ever improving FPUs it's smaller than ever, but it's still there.
But if you program in JavaScript, you won't care at all.
 
2:12 AM
good stuff
 
(lol I accidentally a word)
 
I suppose if there was a noticeable performance hit the JS optimized compiler would handle some numbers as ints
memory is pretty abundant now though
 
My case of wine (Marlborough sauvignon blanc) has came! I am no longer depressed ... now just waiting for that $100 voucher that I redeemed with credit card points to arrive.
Now I just have to spend another $50+ in the supermarket & I can get another $50 for free.
Sometimes I wonder how cheaply I could be bought >_<
Although all these were built on my $5000 credit card bill this month, lol ... isn't life wonderful :p
 
@MarkGarcia Not by much though.
 
It's lower in power consumption. Looks like a winner to me.
 
@ʞɔᴉN The real problem isn't performance--it's that they're just plain wrong. For things that are countable, you should be using an integer type. Floating point should be reserved for values that are measured instead.
 
@MaiLongdong What do you prefer? ^
 
2:41 AM
@JerryCoffin JS is weird...
How would floats as ints work?
Rounding errors are inevitable.
 
also my new app is finally in a state to be released
kind of slightly thrilled
afk
 
@Nooble Tolerably well - floats can represent integral numbers directly
and without errors
 
@unordered_meow Really?
 
the bigger problem is data validation
 
I've done loops where I add exactly one to a number and print it out, and sometimes I get decimals.
That's just how floats work, no?
 
2:45 AM
 
Don't you dare link to that
Nobody had read that
 
@jaggedSpire Yes I've read this before.
 
but everyone links to it
 
(oh, actually, I have, twice, but it's a terrible reading and learning material)
 
and I wanted to join the club
 
2:46 AM
I'm writing an explanation now
 
@Nooble Nope.
 
IEEE 754 was covered in one of my CSE classes
I figure that's a relatively decent background
 
@Nooble With sufficient care, they can work reasonably well. In fact, at one time I did some laying with using double-precision floating point numbers as 53-bit integers. Keeping it all sane is non-trivial (especially if you ever do division) but can work. Now that CPUs all support 64 bit integers directly I wouldn't bother though.
 
@Nooble floating point is (-1)^sign * significand * 2^exponent
Sure
 
@MarkGarcia Wine wise? Or numerical types?
 
2:49 AM
Where significand is a number between [1.0;2.0) (with an exception of denormalized numbers)
 
On GPU at least, using integer types can be a performance hit.
 
so 1 = 1 * 2^0, 2 = 1 * 2^1, 3 = 1.5 * 2^1, 4 = 1 * 2^2 and so on
(bit pattern 0000... is 1.0, bit pattern 1000... is 1.5, 1100... is 1.75)
 
@MaiLongdong Generally?
 
Yeah. It is getting less true on modern discrete GPUs, though.
 
@Nooble If the number you added one to was already not integral, then this doesn't hold
The problems happen when you go fractional, because floating point used on computers has exponents raised to the power of 2 (the extremely long paper linked before describes why it was chosen), and so more fractions can't be accurately represented
 
2:56 AM
On more recent hardware (both AMD and NVIDIA) for example, integer addition is the same cost as a floating point addition, but the multiplication is more costly.
And on slightly less recent hardware the floating point instructions are nearly all faster than their integer counterparts.
So people would just use float everywhere but use the integer range of floats.
 
@unordered_meow Yeah, I messed up. I meant 0.1.
 
For example decimal 0.1 has repeating binary representation
 
:P
 
A lot of thought was put into IEEE 754
 
yeah these people are painfully smart
 
3:06 AM
For example, the order of the parts of the floating point number (sign, exponent, significand) and the representations (in particular excess-X representation for exponent) were chosen so a sequence of floats reinterpreted as two's complement has the same order
 
and when incrementing the significant overflows it increments the exponent
 
indeed
 
It is a very shiny thing. I feel like there should be an IEEE 754 appreciation day
or a club
 
3:23 AM
alright I'll call all my nerd friends
 
Lounge<3.00000000000001> - IEEE754 appreciation topic
 
3:38 AM
@MaiLongdong So should I just never use int in GLSL?
 
I wouldn't be so categorical
 
 
1 hour later…
4:56 AM
i'm at work
fffff off
 
Orange juice? Why would anyone come for 4 jugs of orange juice?
Try 4 jugs of milkshake ... Should fare better ... I think ...
 
lol I thought the same
scotty marry me
The day I finally type a chown command with the arguments in the CORRECT FUCKING ORDER I'll buy a lottery ticket
 
5:22 AM
it looks like it's declared the same way fantasy knights and such claim things. "I, Arthur of House Stark lay claim to this Land of File"
I dunno
I should be alseep. I jaggedSpire of House Bluebluff hereby lay claim to my bed.
 
6:06 AM
@MaiLongdong Or the tar command with correct arguments
 
Neat, variable templates bugfixes for GCC 6 and 5.3.
 
It can't be neat if it is has something to do with C++.
 
Well even by C++ standards the current implementation is quite gory.
 
What bugs
 
a, b
oh I thought the first one was the ICE on mismatched parameters and arguments, maybe that one is fixed already
 
6:12 AM
neat
wish I had a use case for those at work :w
Buttt VS2013
 
Have you ever done the static constexpr foo_type foo = stuff; dance in a class template? Variable templates can often abbreviate that kind of boilerplate.
I’m doing the Niebler thing myself because fuck ADL. That’s more of a special case though.
 
We don't use templates much here
Nor any serious C++ actually
rip
It's glorified C. Okay maybe a little more than that but still.
 
no doubt
 
I'm slowly modernizing stuff
But there are no tests so I'm afraid of breaking things
 
@MaiLongdong Templates must be the best feature of C++.
> no tests
amazing.
 
6:18 AM
yep
I started writing some but it is considered a, I quote, loss of time.
 
lol
 
I want to get better at C++ but I think the workplace isn't exactly what's gonna help
I should stalk Robot and Luc more
 
> more
 
6:34 AM
Do you guys know any applet that will control xkbmap ?
 
applets are for badlets also just use the command line no?
what's your use case
 
I don't want to write a long and ugly command every time I switch input languages
and setxkbmap commands are ugly
 
wow you're such a shallow person
it's not the outside that matters
it's the inside
 
lol
sometimes, I just need a GUI.
 
mmmm jsonpp still breaking my code somehow
 
6:41 AM
I will write an applet for it
when I have time/get bored.
magic command setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout us,am -variant ,phonetic -option grp:alt_shift_toggle
look at the ugliness
 
It's spelt ugliness
 
@MaiLongdong thank you
I need to make a custom keyboard that has more letters for Armenian alphabet. Right now, it is using numbers for letters.
 
Xeo
Welp. My health-insurance card expired a month ago and I can't find the new one.
 
I don't have health-insurance.
 
6:56 AM
Not really. I save some money just in case.
It's better than giving it to a company.
 
Xeo
Until your health bill exceeds the amount you saved up.
 
@Xeo If you save the same amount you give to insurance companies each month, you will be better off.
 
It's a bet
One which is not worth losing
 
Keeping in mind humans are fairly bad at estimating risks.
 
If that wasn't the case, insurance companies wouldn't earn money.
 
6:59 AM
And humans fear loss more than they appreciate gain
 

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