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10:00 AM
@JesusChrist
 
wronglyse?
 
just realized elyse == rightfold
 
@khajvah Probably not, but I don't really care since you can search for YouTube videos with DuckDuckGo or Google
 
realysed
 
Oh, the silly "spam all telegram users" guy responded
@unordered_meow i am not waiting for your comment. — karimkhan 3 hours ago
 
@unordered_meow Btw, he meant this telegram.org
 
This code will send to all telegram users: void sendToAll {} (since nobody is using telegrams) — unordered_meow 12 hours ago
I use telegram
 
Xeo
@user1666620: i need this for advertisement — karimkhan Jul 31 at 11:52
lol
 
10:04 AM
oh hey
I can vote to delete.
 
Xeo
"what is spam? I only want to tell everybody in this country about our great product"
 
I've never done that before.
Or have I?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ unordered_meow meant this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegraphy
 
"it's really for their own good"
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know
 
10:05 AM
Cat stole my thunder.
:(
I guess I'm still a delete vote virgin.
 
anyone else hate the new youtube player?
 
nope
 
the duration bar is just too damn thin =/
 
There's a new YouTube player?
 
10:07 AM
hard to click on when hovering
 
Yes, it's the same as the old player
 
no issues here
 
@orlp I don't know. I don't use the YouTube player.
 
You don't have to click exactly on the bar
 
10:08 AM
it's transparent
 
also, this is fucking retarded
why bother making a preview if you're going to cover it with a timestamp?
 
@orlp That's always been there.
 
Yes, numbers, what a terrible idea
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the preview was a LOT larger before
so you could actually see it
 
It's literally the same as the old player except bigger icons and it's transparent.
 
10:09 AM
Why is my internet so shit today
 
Because it's Tuesday.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ you weren't informed?
it's 'shitty internet' day today
 
@orlp Isn't it like exactly the same size as before, just transparent?
I think some butans are actually larger
 
lol yeah
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ maybe I'm fooling myself, but the progress bar definitely feels thinner, the preview is smaller so it's almost covered by a timestamp
also, the speed / quality menu is different
I'm not sure whether I prefer it or not yet
 
10:12 AM
I don't like when things are different either
 
I think you might be overreacting bub.
this is a net positive.
 
It looks smoother
Also I like that they finally added "autoplay" on/off in there.
 
this is the first positive change youtube has had in years
 
oh, and the progress bar while not hovering is gone
you now have to hover to see what % the video is in
 
@Rapptz HTML5 player maybe?
 
10:13 AM
Are you watching the fucking thing or playing with controls constantly
 
that is a massive loss of productivity
 
@Morwenn they've used html5 as default for a while now
 
petition to bring back the old progress bar
 
@Morwenn that's been a thing for years heh
 
also thickness: 150px;
 
10:14 AM
They use HTML5 by default on browsers that support MSE
 
Of course now it takes a couple more cores to run on Chrome
 
only 150px?
what if I want the progress bar to be 1080p
 
@Rapptz For some reason, for years it chose the Flash Player even though I asked the HTML5 player on my computer. So I've been using an alternative player for years.
 
don't get me wrong - I don't mind the transparency design
 
I can't hit it unless it takes at least two screens
 
10:15 AM
 
it's just that they made some minor things worse - not enough (for me personally) to justify the transparency
 
Hey there are stats for you
 
 
The OST of There Came An Echo is fucking glorious uguis
 
relevant xkcd
 
10:15 AM
I need food
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ these are kinda cool
 
@CatPlusPlus start meowing
@Rapptz been there for years too, though
 
never seen it before until today
I use FF not Chrome
 
Still been there for years
 
new to me!
 
10:16 AM
In the Flash player too
 
@Morwenn I don't have flash installed which might be why it never used it.
 
dog years
 
I don't understand
How can the execution time be 0 for 10 elements?
 
Because it's milliseconds and the timer resolution is too low?
 
@MaiLongdong Still not growing.
 
10:22 AM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Measurement error.
 
For 20 elements, it's 0, for 22-23 elements it's 100
seems bs
 
-1 not enough nonius :P
 
@Morwenn
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ He just tried to justify the time he wasted on a pointless project.
 
10:24 AM
*She
 
@khajvah It will happen when you hit puberty.
 
My smartphone speaker is not working. Might be a good excuse to buy a new one.
 
user1804599
Nolwenn
 
user1804599
Ven
 
10:31 AM
@khajvah Why?
Perhaps however long it takes for 20 elements is less than the threshold to make it one timer tick and however long it takes for 22 elements is more than that threshold.
 
user1804599
Parser generators that don't handle left recursion are shit.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes She measured the std's version too.
 
and it worked for <100ms
 
I don't see how that dents my possible explanation.
Are you assuming linearity?
That another unrelated measurement showed some particular results is not relevant.
 
10:34 AM
I mean, if the timer is measuring properly for one executable, it should do it for the other too.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Also, ugh, generating this sort of image is exactly why I'd like a std::graphics :(
@khajvah Er, are you assuming the two execute the same thing?
 
Is std::graphics supposed to be a namespace or something specific?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am assuming she is using the same thing to measure both.
 
If one executable takes less than the threshold to make it one timer tick when running for 20 elements, then...
Assume for a moment that one executable takes less than the threshold to make it one timer tick when running for 20 elements. What results do you expect the measurement to give you? The same as it did for the other unrelated measurement?
 
How much is the threshold?
 
10:36 AM
I don't know.
I didn't run anything.
(And this is one reason I made nonius)
 
If she is using the same thing for both, it is very low
 
Well, let's just say that it looks weird that the std:: one starts with 1 element ~1 ms, and the other just goes up steep at ~25
 
I don't know why that's surprising, really.
For 1 element it's a noop.
std::sort is at least a comparison.
 
@MaiLongdong: I'd like to handle the not-found-case in place. Using at() would generate an exception that I'd have to handle in place with a bloated handler code. This is not how exceptions were predicted to work - they were predicted to be handled gropuwise (multiple such errors come into a common handler). — Ethouris 1 min ago
@Rapptz
 
Gonna comment that.
 
10:40 AM
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes according to the graph, 1 element is done in about 10 ms for std
 
@khajvah Not for cppsort.
 
@MaiLongdong wtf
 
@khajvah Which is more than zero. Fine.
 
what is he rambling about?
 
10:41 AM
Whatever std::sort does is more than nothing.
cppsort::sort for one element is literally nothing.
 
~~bloat~~~
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes so if we assume that the threshold is at most 10 ms, we should assume that cppsort does 21 elements in less than 10 ms.
 
There's no code generated for it.
So zero.
 
impressive
 
@khajvah And that's surprising why?
 
10:42 AM
and for 22, it is about 80 or something
 
user1804599
I have a pickle.
 
user1804599
I could make if a language construct.
 
@MaiLongdong btw it's weird I never saw your comment when I commented lol
 
user1804599
Or I could make it a function with one by-value parameter and two by-name parameters.
 
@Rapptz You didn't see Mai Longdong?
:giggle:
 
10:43 AM
@elyse Make it a mixfix function. inb4 "No."
 
@khajvah Because it stops using sorting networks.
 
user1804599
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ No.
 
@khajvah Seriously, it looks as expected by design.
> It then proceeds to sort the first N elements of the range using optimal sorting algorithms for a fixed number of values (see sorting networks for example) when possible, and falls back to std::sort instead when there is no specialized algorithm.
 
Ok, Idon't know what sorting network is. I will shuddup.
 
user1804599
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I don't like syntactic dependencies between modules.
 
10:45 AM
@khajvah It's just basically the optimal algorithm for sorting a fixed number of values.
 
@khajvah Like internet except it puts stuff in order.
 
Internet is not a network, it's a mess
 
@khajvah I.e. a different algorithm for each number of values. One for 1, another for 2, another for 3, etc.
Up to 20ish as it seems.
 
I see. Then it makes sense.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 30ish
 
10:47 AM
@Morwenn your benchmarks here github.com/Morwenn/cpp-sort/blob/master/benchmarks/… are broken because they scale both experiments the same, and that makes the results weird with all those zeros. (I.e. it essentially turns all those smaller values into measurement errors)
Nonius would automatically scale each experiment by some appropriate factor for it :D
 
user1804599
Karl Benchmarx
 
shameless plug
 
It's relevant :<
 
Yes it is
And have I mentioned before that it's a great tool?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't understand :/
Why would you not want the two to be tested equally?
 
10:52 AM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ small numbers big numbers hide small numbers cannot see rip
 
wow jefffrey understands retardese
 
> cannot see
> I see
 
I'm special like that
 
10:53 AM
> :c
 
I just noticed @Morwenn and I studied ~200m away from each other for two years and probably ate in the same university restaurant everyday. Scary.
 
You are being creepy longdong
 
Don't tell me we went to the same roleplay events because uhhhhh
 
Say, imagine each small std run take time in the order of a few microseconds and each cppsort run take in the order of a few nanoseconds. Suppose the clock can only measure in millisecond ticks. If you run the stds 1000 times, you'll get results in milliseconds. If you run the cppsort 1000 times, you'll get results in microseconds, and the clock will give you just zeros or ones and destroy all the variation.
If should run the stds 1000 times and the cppsorts 1000000 times, you'll get both up to milliseconds, and then the clock can actually measure both.
 
10:56 AM
@MaiLongdong Can you stop being creepy to people? I know you find it sexy and all, but it's getting tiresome.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ lol
 
Can you stop copy pasting this copypasta? I know you find it copyable and all, but it's getting tiresome.
 
an meme has borned
 
10:57 AM
> an meme
> has borned
 
> borned
 
WTF Longdong?
 
Capital of Englangd
 
10:58 AM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Of course running one more than the other may introduce other biases. In general I find it's not common that they are significant, but I can envision it as such. Maybe I should add an option in nonius to scale everything the same (which would then in my example scale everything 1000000 times, and the stds measurements would be up in the seconds and then the benchmark takes much longer)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but this sounds like the fairest option.
 

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