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21:01
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@Veritas Jimi is there to help youtu.be/MHlRa-RPjWE?t=74
@rightfold how many more days again?
It's tomorrow.
(No pics will come out tomorrow, though; the probe is shaped in such a way that it can either collect data or transmit it, not both at once)
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm pretty happy with the gnuplot extension to nonius. How would you feel about a push?
I have made a base class member volatile. It didn't need to be.
@R.MartinhoFernandes To save space?
21:05
@CaptainGiraffe If you make a pull request, I'll look at it when I get to tackle my backlog.
wow Satoru Iwata is dead
@Jefffrey The antenna and instruments are not movable to save weight.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Do you plan to take a vacation? I'd heartily recommend it.
So it can't point both the instruments and the antenna at the same time.
presumably having to constantly re-orient itself between modes costs fuel, which also costs weight
21:08
It's a negligible amount, given its fuel capacity.
It has spare fuel to visit another KBO.
(Which one is not decided yet)
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Is there any programming language where you can have two variables A and B and specify that information about A must never leak into B, and as a consequence the following would be illegal? var B; if (A) { B := 1 } else { B := 2 } ….
shit I think I caught a cold
@Puppy Also, reaction wheels.
I thought you KSP.
@rightfold Turing-Complete will eat you here.
@AndyProwl dont go to work
New True Detective episode :3
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought that the KSP reaction wheels were like 100x more effective than their IRL counterparts
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@Puppy Why? Prohibiting some programs which are correct is fine.
@AlexM. I'll get a paracetamol and see what happens
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21:10
Almost all statically-typed languages do that too.
I take these when I feel like I'm catching a cold
works everytime
coldrex max is strong shit
it's like 1000mg paracetamol
dat feeling where you're lounging and the wall of Polish text hits you
coldrex max is nothing I once injected a whole paracetamol
@R.MartinhoFernandes Also they nerfed atomic engines hardcore, which is unfortunate since I made a lot of use of them
21:12
@AlexM. what does that mean?
a whole pack?
> Yeah, sure kid....one time I injected five whole marijuanas... Had to go to the ER and get an emergency transplant of XL Pepperoni and TacoBell Bean n' Cheese!
oh, memes
I lack that culture
Thanks a lot, guys. Good Night :)
@Puppy There's a ton of time, I guess.
It's ok if it takes a few hours to turn, I guess.
wouldn't that imply that it spends about 50% of it's time between states and therefore unable to either transmit or record?
21:17
Ah, it carries 77 kg of fuel on board.
@Puppy 50%? Certainly not. The bandwidth at Pluto is ~1kbps.
But apparently the attitude is entirely controlled through hydrazine monoprop.
damn, that's slow
@milleniumbug 1kpbs and 4.5h latency. I wonder what speedtest.net would say.
I was at a concert tonight
It was good
(Is latency half a roundtrip or the whole? If the later, it's 9h)
I believe it's a whole
21:26
Hi guys, I have a pretty meta question about link-lists. Would it be cool if I ask it here?
no.
It carries 8GB of storage.
if they're not intrusive, then no
intrusive lists make everything better
A few hours to turn should not be a problem when it takes three months to get the data.
Look I'm a young programmer and I don't have access to experienced devs. If not here then where could I ask questions? Please don't say SO, because I'm looking to talk.
21:30
hello
Anyway, NH is extremely minimalistic given that it's a flyby with no capture and it was launched in a solar escape trajectory. I still don't understand why launch into escape trajectory instead of using Jupiter, though.
@Warosaurus Where you go from here is up to you.
The camera on Cassini weighs more than the whole NH without fuel.
Working with variadic templates is p. annoying.
21:31
@Warosaurus We're just filtering out badlets, don't worry, I think you're fine.
I had forgotten how annoying it is to isolate the last type (and the argument itself) in a pack.
Just don't post the wall of code or be demanding or stuff.
the more relevant question is about resource investment
if I stick around to answer a question from you, are you gonna be here to answer a question from me next week?
Ell
Ell
@Warosaurus why not SO?
@Rapptz What I'm doing is getting it into typelist, reverse the typelist and get the first type
21:33
I just turn it into a tuple.
Then std::get<size - 1> + decltype.
y u no std::tuple_element_t
because I need the argument itself
oh yeah
sure
missed that aspect
I pretty much use typelists for all variadics except from the outer wrappers.
then I would put it into a tuple too
21:35
since you can handle them easier
@Ell SO sticks to the one-question, one-reusable-answer format and it works really well for that. I simply wanna ask questions I think might be dumb or whatever to fill gaps I might have. SO isn't really the place for that.
The reason I'm commenting on it is because I needed to isolate it (i.e. A tuple of the other arguments save for the last parameter)
So I had to do some silly tuple subset thing
No dumb questions please
Have you googled first? No?
My code doesn't work on Clang though.
I'm thinking it'd be easier if I made the special parameter the first one.
@Puppy Sure, I'll try
21:38
is tuple_element<0> really supposed to assert 'out of range'?
It could on empty tuples
type the type of Ith element of the tuple, where I is in [0, sizeof...(Types))
Only on empty tuples, 'twould seem
zzz
the prettier my docs looks the more I want to work on them
I like making my work pretty it looks more finished that way
21:44
@Warosaurus Fine. What is your super deep question about linked lists?
@Veritas memory leak btw
@Veritas use boost::core::scoped_demangled_name :P
@Warosaurus Hang out here all the time and people won't mind you asking questions now and then.
or I can just do t::foo() or something at the end and get the type name 8D
error: no type named 'string' in namespace 'detail::std'; did you mean '::std::string'?
    locale(const std::string& __s) : locale(__s.c_str()) { }
wtf
21:52
detail::std??
I usually get this error if I forget a brace
All out of boost questions to tackle again :(
@Puppy Never mind, it's okay I was confusing things. I sat down and drew it out, it became clear to me but thanks.
Ell
Ell
Heh
@Warosaurus Now you appreciate why answering your question was unimportant to me.
Ell
Ell
21:54
It was only pencil deep
Pencil line deep
@Puppy Well. There's an assumption :/
what, that he gained an insight into my position, or that answering his question was unimportant to me?
Isn't there some tool to do docs or something for you
Ell
Ell
Yes yes yesssz
Doxygen? Pyramid or something?
Ell
Ell
21:55
Everyone shower me with l33t creds!
@VermillionAzure There are many tools that claim to produce documentation, but they all produce API references, which is a totally different thing.
Ell
Ell
Itssss aliiiivvvvvee
wat.
@Puppy Right; I was wondering if somebody could make some crude tool or API based on comments or something
Ell
Ell
UEFI + btrfs root fs + funtoo with gentoo kernel
21:55
I hear this is what other things already do and stuff but eh.
Ell
Ell
I can feel the creds
@VermillionAzure They did; the outcome is worthless.
Ell
Ell
It feels good
Tools can't produce documentation
Only doc structure and api reference
something like: //$purpose To destroy the world
Or something like that
and then you use an external tool or visualizer to assist in writing
Ell
Ell
Doxygen does that
21:57
if I'm a user, and I want to see that comment, I can simply right click -> go to definition.
oh wow; i just discovered screen
Ok, going to sleep.
@VermillionAzure I prefer tmux
I'll leave you with this:
22:05
Well. I don't think that's pluto :)
Quadruple transit of Saturn.
(Not Cassini for once)
@milleniumbug is there a reason?
@R.MartinhoFernandes OpenGL?
@VermillionAzure I would tell you how tmux is better than screen, but I don't know screen so I can't.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's now my desktop wallpaper. Thanks!
@milleniumbug Hm. Idk i just got recommended to use it
and it seems that screen is quite old
22:10
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dayum those lines on the planet look straight as hell
@Puppy You got something against gay lines?!?!?!?! :P
The Metaparse library from Abel Sinkovics has been accepted into boost: http://lists.boost.org/Archives/boost/2015/07/224131.php #cpp #cplusplus
Whoa Whoa. Hold it. What.
ugh what is this obsession with compile time
Sounds cool but don't know what it does
@milleniumbug Parsing at compile-time, apparently
22:15
> Compile-time parsing with template metaprogramming
what the actual fuck
as in, text file parsing?
@AlexM. yes
But why?
Why do people like this template meta-programming stuff anyways?
Like, what can you do with it?
Because Stockholm syndrome
Holy shit
@milleniumbug Well I mean I like Lisp now but meh.
@Jefffrey what
22:17
True detective episode 4
It's just...
so intense.
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@VermillionAzure cause metaprogramming is useful.
@Veritas Yes, but why?
I never really got why it was useful besides the computation of certain variable-constants at compile time or optimizing systems natively instead of having to use config files or flexible design.
1 min ago, by milleniumbug
Because Stockholm syndrome
also there was nothing better for a long time
22:19
I mean, if it were easier, it'd be nice. But until fold expressions it's 2hard4me
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Academia is like The Workplace lite.
maybe some more code generators will appear thanks to libclang
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The Workplace is full of people who don't know how to not give a shit.
@milleniumbug I like clang much better
Clang will eventually win out vs. GCC because of its tooling, or so I hear
See how D does metaprogramming and compare it with C++
22:20
Is it really okay to try and shoehorn C++ to be everything?
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And people who worry about things nobody gives a damn about.
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@milleniumbug far better.
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static if and mixin alone.
22:21
@VermillionAzure Is it really okay to load a question to the max?
meh static if, but mixins are nice
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mixin is really awesome.
Oh wow, D sounds nice
@milleniumbug Oh. I've raved about that ~2 years ago or so. It's just that even the underlying Metamonad was practically unusable (except for compilation time benchmarking) back in 2013/2014
Wow D is not too different from C++ in syntax
22:24
@VermillionAzure static polymorphism for once. You can iterate heterogenous containers for instance.
Looks like coconut
a.k.a. sophisticated macros
Hm... But it does garbage collection?
Can you turn it off?
Yes, it does garbage collection
Yes you can turn it off, but so you can in many languages and that's such a bad idea I don't even
You can't do interesting things with disabled GC if every corner of the language and standard library is going to fight you
(since it does GC, it's not really a C++ replacement, see Wide for that)
@milleniumbug Uhhh but Wide doesn't have a community right?
make one
22:27
@milleniumbug Can I get a link again?
@VermillionAzure github.com/DeadMG/Wide
the best thing is temporaries that live through the entire scope
meh
never mind.
I'll design a programming language 10 years later.
The testicles of the male right whale can weigh up to one tonne
CNR
@sehe Cubewanos are named after creator deities. Makemake is the creator god in the Rapa Nui mythology.
@milleniumbug in this case you can opt-out, which is a different thing from turning it off
@R.MartinhoFernandes o.O Is there anything you don't know?!
22:32
bah
there's this stuff about the ancestors of whales being terrestrial mammals with legs and shit
pretty crazy
@sehe I'm an amateur astronomer.
I know where all the names of named TNOs come from, I think.
@sehe Not really, the most you can do is trying to avoid collections in your innermost loops
@VermillionAzure Don't think the Hubble uses that.
There are many things that involve allocating memory through GC interface
22:34
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh
22:46
Did ape already drop this one here?
Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Men are really slow at eating fish.
He totally should
@milleniumbug Oh. ISTR you could have "manual heap" types (or so). Not that I used D
Nor have I.
Are you sure about the 'amateur' part :)
I guess you're etymologically correct.
Let's say you're amateur in the same sense that you have a hobbyist interest in UNICODE?
Yes, you can for example call malloc and placement-create an object there
@milleniumbug I'd assume you could do roughly the same as I can do with mixed-mode assemblies (yes that's C++/CLI): you can have managed types alongside the native heap
@Fredo perhaps you like this
22:50
lol @Fredo
Hey, I'm new to C++, this small piece of code is giving compilation error.
@Fredo sup bro
are you sure that's small
it covers quite a bit of my screen
2
in a non pleasant way
@BharatKhatri Read the rules and remove your code from here before flagfest
Can you guys point out the error in this : gist.github.com/khatribharat/bcd32c10c8c85af2ae5c ?
the compiler errors are shown there
also use constructor initializer lists
22:58
@BharatKhatri use initializer lists
AnotherInner(const Inner& inner) : inner(inner) {
}
@AlexM. you told us you will be on mumble on Friday, you weren't (or you were, but between 2:30am-9am), I stil cri everytiem u r not thar
oh that's what placement new is for
Ell
Ell
Made my first btrfs snapshot woo
Being a haxxor is paying off already probably
@VermillionAzure whatever it is, it's likely not what you think now :)
@Ell inb4 ENOSPC drama
@Ell MEllG pr0 hAxx0r
22:59
That's been a while since I tried it though. I find zarroo reasons to use Btrfs now that we have zfsonlinux.org

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