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18:00
gday scot mate
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Cool, they want to make roads out of plastic.
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From plastic that comes from trash.
@rightfold Who are they?
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Royal VolkerWessels Stevin N.V.
> n0thing on Twitter : I love when pro tournaments have PCs who get under 200fps : (
lol even the players complain about ESWC
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18:04
The news article is in Dutch, though.
@Jefffrey Nice. How deep does the rabbit hole go?
Ask robot
bah
I really wish this Greek thing would come to an end
I've been waiting for it to come out one way or another for ages
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> Recycled plastic and plastic are processed into prefabricated road sections, which are applied in their entirety. Roads can be built much more quickly.
@Puppy You have been waiting? Why?
18:07
because it's really interesting to see how hard Greece can try to fuck the Eurozone
@rightfold Concrete slabs for road suck.
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These are made of plastic, not of concrete.
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Also NL is very good at making and maintain roads.
@rightfold I think slabs of any kind for road suck. You can never connect them without feeling a bump when driving over the connection.
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They're of very high quality.
18:09
@rightfold I can believe that. Roads here suck at places.
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asphalt is cast and then flattened with a roller
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you don't need to prefabricate roads
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there are many other ways
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no
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that would be a logistic disaster
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18:11
flying is very expensive
the energy required would be excessive
@ScottW We're working on it
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give all your money to Musk and he'll realise it
@sehe Hi, I watched your stream about vim ycm configuration, and noticed some mistake: -std option for upcoming standard is c++1z, but not c++1y.
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> To support this competition, SpaceX will construct a one-mile test track adjacent to our Hawthorne, California headquarters. Teams will be able to test their human-scale pods during a competition weekend at the track, currently targeted for June 2016.
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18:13
Awesome!
@rightfold Human sized pods. I think this will never work for psychological reasons for most people.
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Why not?
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People can drive cars and fly planes at the speed of sound just fine.
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As long as you don't accelerate too quickly you should be fine.
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oh wait
18:22
@rightfold Human sized pod is a coffin.
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"psychological". I read that as "physiological".
that's the other axis.
a human-sized pod is also a pleasant seat
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@wilx human-scale, not human-sized
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they mean a pod in which a human can dwell
@rightfold Ah, I thought it was to be single person pod.
18:23
yes, that's what I thought too.
@ScottW Straight to hell!
@ScottW I am mildly claustrophobic.
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also this is a test
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there may be larger pods in the future
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> A notional route was used in the alpha-level design document. It runs from the Los Angeles region to the San Francisco Bay Area, paralleling the Interstate 5 corridor for most of its length. Preliminary analysis indicated that such a route might obtain an expected journey time of 35 minutes, meaning that passengers would traverse the 354-mile (570 km) route at an average speed of around 598 mph (962 km/h), with a top speed of 760 mph (1,220 km/h).
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top kek
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18:26
the future will be so awesome
@ScottW lol
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@ScottW Go to Hell!
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You Americans want to have everything. You have Prague, you have Moscow even...
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18:27
@wilx What is a USAsian? A citizen of a Chinatown?
@rightfold :D No!
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@rightfold Are you the purple one
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No.
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I'm not a gabber.
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You know what's the best parts of the Tour de France?
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When large groups crash and they all suffer from pain.
Made fried cheese
Used too thick pieces tho :/
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Couldn't be fattier
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18:45
hahaha cyclist on the highway hit by a truck: dumpert.nl/mediabase/6667533/cc65e636/… at 8:31
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Unfortunately they survived.
You're so edgy you require 6 dimensions to be described
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@CatPlusPlus XD
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someone fix my system plz
What'd you do again
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18:51
it kernel panics on boot
You should get a medal because that takes some skill
Well or using unstable line
Are you using unstable line
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> kernel panic - not syncing VFS; unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (8,5)
@CatPlusPlus I have no idea
I used the latest funtoo current stage3
I told you to use debian-sources :v
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and a gentoo-sources kernel configured with defaults
I wanted to mix and match for most leet cred
:D
You probably don't have a block driver for your root device
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18:53
I'm p sure I do. But I'll check
If you're using modules then it needs to be in initramfs
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I'm not sure modules or an initramfs
ah wait a sec
I think I know the issue
I originally didn't have an initramfs and compiled support directly into kernel
but then I had to redo kernel so it's probably a module now so I need an initramfs
@Ell lol
19:06
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A: Reason to Pass a Pointer by Reference in C++?

fredoverflow50% of C++ programmers like to set their pointers to null after a delete: template<typename T> void paranoid_delete(T*& p) { delete p; p = nullptr; } Without the reference, you would only be changing a local copy of the pointer, not affecting the caller.

fixed
@Puppy lol
@rightfold What is the meaning of his shirt?
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Cisgender or cissexual (often abbreviated to simply cis) describes related types of gender identity perceptions, where individuals' experiences of their own gender agree with the sex they were assigned at birth. Sociologists Kristen Schilt and Laurel Westbrook define cisgender as a label for "individuals who have a match between the gender they were assigned at birth, their bodies, and their personal identity". They see cisgender as a complement to transgender. There are a number of derivatives of the terms in use, including cis male for "male assigned male at birth", cis female for "female assigned...
@Mr.kbok Lemon batteries are made from potatoes?
@rightfold Ah. C# is pronounced Cis in German, btw :)
At first I thought he was a Java fanboy.
19:25
@rightfold it's weird
Complement can mean the thing that completes a series/pair/group or the thing that is opposite to an item in that group
@VermillionAzure It's kind of the same meaning
@Jeremy sugar is the complement to salt
The universe is any set union it's complement
but 1 is the complement of 0 in binary.
@VermillionAzure Yes, where your universe is {0, 1}
19:29
But does sugar make salt complete?
@VermillionAzure Yes, where your universe of foods is {sugar, salt}
But I see how that's a little different, I guess.
@Jeremy If my universe was {U, I}, would U be m'I complement?
@VermillionAzure Yes.
19:30
@Jeremy G...! Hey!
Oh, this randomly reminds me of the torsion force
@AlexM. s/lion/dinosaur
inf
inf
19:47
@sehe Yeah, thanks for the reminder. But I think that with the latest update on the answer from Hans I think it's pretty much clear to me and I am probably gonna accept it.
Mmm, I think I am going to open my 12 years old sherry.
I found a use for my raspberry pi I guess
took a while
@AlexM. Paper weight?
20:05
nope, until I get some arduinos I'll use it as a general mocking box for each type of bot I think about doing
> mocking box
that's for mocking cats?
yes, that's obviously what I meant
I need a wireless router for this meh
had to buy one anyway
I think I'll ask the internet guys to upgrade my plan to gigabit
oh my god
these tax brackets
20:16
@fredoverflow I think it substantially improves the accuracy.
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I didn't wash my rice thoroughly enough
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beautiful
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Wow
It even jizzes and everything.
20:24
it looks like it's shooting lasers
bah
friggin boost build can't even find msvc
I have a feeling I'll regret starting this project in C++ with VS2013 and Qt
not now but later
just a hunch
it will probably start when VS2015 gets released and Qt support will come later
that's in about two weeks
I'll think about it
and maybe switch to C# since I'm in such an early stage it doesn't make a diff
I chose C++ for the TMP
@Puppy I'll work on sth else until then and see how VS2015 acts
sounds like a plan
fuckin hell
set the stupid mutable global environment variables with vcvarsall.bat, b2 still can't find the stupid compiler.
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20:38
environment variables are a pain man
Not really
@AlexM. Yes
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@CatPlusPlus is your job sysadmin or programmer?
@Ell They're just as bad as mutable globals in any other system.
@Ell Yes
Throw more meaningless buzzwords at it it'll solve everything
@AlexM. It's supposed to do that. If your penis isn't shooting lasers, call a doctor.
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20:41
sysadmin and programmers are clearly different jobs
@Puppy still a pain, right
I'd love to hear your "solution" to the ~~problem~~ of environment variables except it'll be either equivalent or broken
@Ell In a small enough company, they're equivalent.
As a company grows, jobs get more specialized and therefore that's when such titles start appearing.
@CatPlusPlus Step 1: remove environment variables. Step 2: job done.
Yep, broken
Make them local to processes maybe
Dunno
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20:46
they are already kinda
@Jefffrey They usually are local to the environment.
seems fine to me
Lounge<C++> OS sounds terribad
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house every weekend
We should name it Kyrostat.
20:47
What's the problem with ENV variables again?
@Jefffrey see: global variables
you mean, aside from the fact that they're global mutable variables and have all of the downsides that those usually have?
Make them immutable without proper permissions maybe?
@Jefffrey Can't think of anything
The global aspect of the variables isn't an issue.
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@Jefffrey people misuse them
20:49
People will misuse anything.
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like when you need to set an env variable to make clang build RTTI
@Rapptz yah I know
But I don't think Puppy is really interested in solving the problem. I think he's just trying to blindly apply some general rule without thinking.
sure, people will misuse anything.
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it's not really wrong with ENV I guess
the problem is how easy it is to use correctly and how easy it is to misuse.
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20:50
to me they are like a printer, I have never had a good experience with one
@EtiennedeMartel I don't see any problem that actually needs solving here.
Gotta think that I used to have google API secrets and keys as environment variables. Just now I've realized how terribly insecure that is.
@Puppy So you're saying it's a problem, but it doesn't need solving?
@Jefffrey They already are
@Puppy I think they're waiting for you to say the solution is to read from a config file or somesuch.
20:53
They're neither global nor mutable
@EtiennedeMartel Well, the existence of environment variables is a problem which we can solve by deleting them. But other than that, I don't see any problem.
hth
It's not a problem, it's a solution
Keep trying tho
I'm bored
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@Rapptz see how fast you can make an ommlette
@Puppy Yes, but this creates additional problems which are arguably worse than leaving them there. So you're not really solving anything.
20:55
like what?
But evul globulz
Like configuring... the environment
@Puppy Having no alternative to environment variables?
That's a a kinda big issue.
Here's a hint: PATH is not optional
@EtiennedeMartel That... is not a problem.
@Puppy How do you think your environment is configured? With magic?
20:56
no.
I think that it is currently configured by a pile of unreliable crap which breaks if you blow on it
Yes, but you're not offering any alternative!
@Puppy you're totally missing the question they've asked you like 20 times.
So you're not solving the problem.
@EtiennedeMartel No, it's not
20:57
@TBohne You get used to it
It's probably one of the most reliable mechanisms you can get out of your OS
I wanted to listen to a song ~25 minutes ago and I'm still trying to remember what song that was.
Because it's trivial
@CatPlusPlus (I'm assuming there is somehow a problem for the sake of the discussion)
@Rapptz I'm just informing him that it occurred again. Also, usually the puppy picks up faster than this.
20:58
And really just spending 10 seconds is enough to understand it
23 mins ago, by Puppy
set the stupid mutable global environment variables with vcvarsall.bat, b2 still can't find the stupid compiler.
well, you haven't really demonstrated any problem that requires environment variables to solve.
But no it's better to complain about GLOBULZ and oh my god mutable (which it isn't, because you can't modify your parent environment)
3 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Here's a hint: PATH is not optional
shit like, I dunno, "find the compiler" can easily be accomplished immutably
Like what
20:59
@Puppy How?
lol 'immutably'

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