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21:00
@fredoverflow I wrote another parser today.
@rightfold Why?
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Because I need to parse stuff.
@Puppy Why don't you talk.
@rightfold Repo name appropriate
user1804599
21:04
yes
user1804599
it's called horror because it runs in a web browser
Nice.
The machine looks like a vomiting robot.
@Griwes Yes.
21:07
Don't tell robot that
beuaaarrrghh
Jun 30 at 19:32, by Alex M.
I want to play competitive again because I spent a while getting better on FaceIt and CEVO
I tried it today
what happened was that I ended up in a team of idiots
Gathered a bit of an audience while practising my cubing at the train station.
the enemies were idiots too
21:13
Should ask for tips next time.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You think they know how to solve it better than you do?
They were impressed by a 1:31 solve, so no. 1:31 is horrible by my current standards.
Oh. I see what you meant
I meant tips as in money
fuck.
my game was just getting interesting and then my internet went down.
21:18
probability and bioinformatics are hardcore
modulo arithmetic is mandated for unsigned integers. — fredoverflow 27 secs ago
lol mandate
bromance
@ScottW Oh ok.
@StackedCrooked Happy birthday
hello guys
how are you all?
@khajvah need to learn
user1804599
21:20
excellent
do you know stats
@VermillionAzure learn what?
learn Rust
it's good
I need to learn about stats in differntial expression
@R.MartinhoFernandes Leave a hat on the floor or something.
21:21
@Bartek @thecosh this is what looks like stand
I need to figure out how this tool uses Bayesian probability to map raw count data of samples vs. features and why it maps to xy or something and derives differentiation from a variable named Z
@Etienne I'll buy a hat and see how long till I can cover that cost.
@VermillionAzure college stuff?
@Bartek @thecosh that message reads like I'm drunk. I meant "this is what my monitor stand looks like"
Damn phone.
@ScottW :P
21:25
@khajvah no
intern stuff
I finished my Context class!
@rightfold Why would you leave out the definitions actually explaining my intent? Are you mean, funny or just daft?
@VermillionAzure You need some math stuff for intern?
user1804599
I didn't know what the word meant.
that's weird
21:28
@rightfold No worries then. I immediately retract the mean suggestion.
@khajvah It's bioinformatics
I'm programming a workflow for them and I need to understand how it all strings together
is it biological shit?
yeah biological stuff
@khajvah This applies to data science anyways, and is probably on the higher side of it
21:31
lol bioinformatics
@VermillionAzure no
wtf is the higher side of data science?
God knows.
@CaptainGiraffe also that
Cinch-speak.
21:33
I need to refill my allergy medicines.
@CaptainGiraffe it means it's probably not the easy stuff
And not something related to things like basic social surveys and easy things like just linear regression and such
@Rapptz I'm working with single-cell RNA seq
sigh
Look up pharmacogenomics.
RIP?
@Rapptz I mean, sure, but I'm struggling with the statistics concepts
is the rubik's cube that special?
I'm gonna try Cross Validated but I'm trying a lot of different options because I need to learn quick
21:36
It cost 30 euros.
anyone here good with rx?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes there fewer squares to worry about!!!
<- fishing for a rveiew of a small snippet
I had a math major friend who was really into rubik's cube stuff but I never really understood what's so special about it
I don't think anyone here can prescribe medicine.
Xeo
Xeo
21:38
@R.MartinhoFernandes Too fast
@Xeo Too furious.
@VermillionAzure Whenever I hear higher blah or bleh, I hear people not understanding their area. There is no higher unless you count Jimi. youtu.be/MHlRa-RPjWE?t=73
Too sloppy, I think.
I've been telling myself it was too loose and I should tighten it, but never got around to doing it.
@Rapptz Do you know of a good resource for bioinformatics geared towards people weak in stats?
Learn stats.
It's not hard.
21:42
@Rapptz But it takes time that I don't have right now at work; I'm asking if you know of a quick and dirty resource
e.g. the bioinformatics tutorial at UC Riverside is great for R.
There are no shortcuts to life bub.
@Rapptz But there are better resources than others.
@VermillionAzure yes
@Mr.kbok are you writing a VM?
Why do I even bother
No, I'm writing a game
@Mr.kbok Is that a fucking [S]NES emulator in-browser?
Ell
Ell
@Mr.kbok nice
21:44
@nabijaczleweli That's not news
@Mr.kbok what's that "select a ROM" thingy about?
The only resource I know is Rosalind.
But that's more of a programming challenge site.
But you're not going to get anywhere if you don't know statistics.
@Mr.kbok so you are writing a NES game
You might, but you wouldn't understand what you're doing I guess.
@Rapptz ...which is why I'm asking if anybody knows any good resources for stats geared towards bioinformatics in a random room everywhere
@VermillionAzure Thanks :)
Ell
Ell
21:46
stats takes ages to learn
so many distros
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T. Hanks.
@khajvah Yep!
@VermillionAzure just learn statistics
Ell
Ell
@VermillionAzure wikipedia is a good resource
@Ell The subset required for bioinformatics is kinda small-ish.
21:47
@Ell lol
Ell
Ell
I think I learned just a few
It's called biometry.
Ell
Ell
Gaussian
binomial
errr
poisson
I got 7/100 on my exam
@Rapptz And this is why "people can't google"
I don't even know the name!
thank you
@Ell nice
21:48
@Ell could be worse
Ell
Ell
@AlexM. just barely :p
@Ell Let's give my laundry list
could be somewhere inside [1, 7) worse
there's an infinity of worses there
it could be infinitely worse
Hierarchical clustering. PCA/t-SNE. ANOVA. NMF. FPKM. Diff. expresssion. Z-scores based on MAD.
Anyone?
@Rapptz I have a question. When I fell a month ago I lost a chunk of skin that included half of an old scar. Now that skin has grown back and the old scar also regenerated. That's freaky. What gives?
21:49
@VermillionAzure yes!
Ell
Ell
@AlexM. shame the marking is discrete
so it can be 7 worse :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's freaky about that?
Is it the fact that the scar is still there?
It was gone and grew back!
@Rapptz probably the fact that the old scar was regenerated
The scar resides in the dermal layer of the skin though.
It's there forever.
21:54
@khajvah ughhh
Halp me!!
How deep is that?
dermis
@ScottW -1.
@VermillionAzure I can give you advise
21:54
@khajvah Please try.
@VermillionAzure leave the lounge and study your shit
@khajvah Dude
I'm at work
This is the "study your shit" part. With pressure. In a job.
Hm. iunno
@VermillionAzure well still
depends on the person I guess
21:55
http://pklab.med.harvard.edu/scde/Tutorials/

If anyone can skim and tell me what some of those concepts mean I can give you rep if you post it to my Cross Validated question
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> Varyags of Miklagaard
user1804599
I keep reading this as "varargs".
On the palms the epidermis is 1.5mm
@VermillionAzure lol
21:56
@ScottW well duh. But idc.
But the depth of the dermis iunno
Under the dermis is fat cells
So if you can see fat you're under the dermis
how deep the cut is, how it heals, how the skin regenerates
@ScottW Also where have you been
I don't think i see you in here often
@Rapptz that is awrful. I had a cut like that that didn'theal for a week
@Jefffrey I wasn't that obvious to me, though I anticipated it to be an indication at the very least. Thanks for the screenshot, btw.
shit I am drunk
I can't type
22:00
@khajvah That's the opposite of a problem
@ScottW What happened?
Cotton-Eye Joe?
@ScottW Just slam your head against the keyboard, that's what I do
The starboard is full of dick jokes.
@ScottW I should solve my problem by sleeping
BTW if you break your leg and sleep it will totally fully heal back in 1 hour, like totally
22:02
if only I could solve all my problems by sleeping
@Rapptz not really
@ScottW Fallout: New Vegas is a totally comprehensive resource of medical knowledge
dogs>pussies
What does kbd stand for? keyboard?
@khajvah s/>/=>/
22:05
@Rapptz yes
@khajvah wieners>pussies
I haven't had hot dogs in so long.
:(
@R.MartinhoFernandes go home, you're drunk :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes btw, do you know any good steak house in Berlin
@R.MartinhoFernandes mmm. I get consistent timeout exceptions running this nonius benchmark... I don't know how to increase the min_run/warmup time? Is that possible or do I have to manually code a main for that?
22:19
Anyone notice that youtube ads don't show how long they are anymore?
Some of them don't
I still live in the same place
Where do you live now?
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's raised from run_for_at_least by the way, it doesn't seem to matter whether with 1.1.0/1.1.1 (or even my old fav 74b2de7)
oh that's like 10 minutes away
yeah
@sehe Can you file an issue?
22:20
@R.MartinhoFernandes i'll create an issue :)
Dearborn Heights
I'll look over some backlog next week once I'm done settling in.
@R.MartinhoFernandes was just typing that :S
Cool
livecoding.tv/sehe by the way (for good music too)
maybe 20 minutes away?
I don't pay much attention to time when driving around
@thecoshman I was going home. I was bringing the stand back from the office.
@khajvah My friends might.
When will you be around again?
Ell
Ell
22:22
@StackedCrooked I like the manual loop unrolling :P
@sehe Warmup is not configurable. I guess I could add that.
i.e. custom main wouldn't work.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I couldn't see "min_run" either
Yeah, it's a constant.
I'll put it in the config object.
Wow... youtube plays ads in between videos now too?
I just switched to chromium for a bit and I didn't have adblock installed
just a comment
constexpr is_blank() = default; is invalid for stupid reasons
22:27
Like... its playing video ads in between music videos
you have to do constexpr is_blank() {}
@sehe I didn't consider people might want to configure that. Bit of an oversight.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not sure I want to. So only add it if it is dummy proof?
I think my issue might be related to the infamous #14 - but in my case repeating the tests doesn't seem to help
Well, I'll basically let it default to what it is now, but let you manually increase it.
Also. The timeout_exception seems to indicate "it took too long". I'm very confused :S
22:29
I know what it is.
Is it easy to explain? Something with the predicted runtime being exceeded by a factor >n?
I means it ran for more than 10 times as much as I wanted it to run-for-at-least.
No, not quite.
ARgh, a bit messy to explain, yeah.
So, before the measurement there's some probing to determine a good number of iterations per sample. That is done by guessing. Given the clock resolution, I decide how much time (call it T) I want the code to run to give measurable results. Then I run the code once; if that takes less than T, run it again, this time twice. If that still takes less than T, run again, twice as many times. And repeat until it finally takes at least T to run.
If this entire process takes too long (10*T), it gives up.
So that means that, while doing this exponential increase in iterations, 10*T elapsed as a whole, but not a single attempt with any number of iterations took at least T.
That understandable?
(It doesn't always start from 1, though; there's a cruder probe before that gets a hopefully decent starting point)
I'm gonna read that now (had been trying to make things work/get some understanding in the meantime)
is sizeof(shared_ptr<>) commonly 16?
Seems reasonable, yes.
I should write a description of the internal mechanisms at some point, so that I can show people what sets nonius apart from those other "frameworks".
22:40
@R.MartinhoFernandes mmm. Not fully. Conceptually, yes, understood. I didn't follow the "10*T elapsed as a whole, but not a single..." thing, which seems to be the center of the problem
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup.
@sehe So, there will be a series of runs, with number of iterations 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc.
Let's say t(n) is the time it took to run n iterations.
@sehe Suppose T is 4 seconds, if that process took 40 seconds but the actual code to run doesn't take at least 4 seconds then an issue occurred.
I mean, how can this occur. Apparently the sum of an exponential series could be >10*T while any individual item isn't >=T ? That defies my maths intuition
∀t(n), t(n) < T
But sum t(i) > 10*T
@sehe 20 * 0.6T > 10*T, yet 0.6T < T.
yeah, but 20 is not a power of 2 ;p
22:43
@sehe (I haven't actually examined your code) Also, times are not necessarily linear.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. Shouldn't it be possible to avoid a situation like this by choosing a factor N (now 10) big enough (unless, of course, time taken is wildly unpredictable)
@sehe Yes, that's what I'd add to the config options.
@R.MartinhoFernandes But how does 20*0.6T occur if each t(n+1) ~= 2*t(n)?
welp
work tomorra
technically, tomorrow would be saturday, no?
22:46
@sehe Memory allocation could easily make that happen.
not in my timezone
@sehe As I said, I haven't looked into your code; I'm just explaining what generates that error.
I.e. your intuition about t(n+1) ~= 2*t(n) might not be right.
(And I like that nonius has trouble benchmarking such code because it tells you that even if you coax some results out of it, they might be meaningless)
I guess I could add some instrumentation, at least for debugging and bug reporting purposes.
On the surface I would think which() is faster than applying a visitor
That'd be my guess anyway.
A bit of a shame the benchmark isn't working though
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not referring to my code. The link was to your explanation above (where I gleaned the exponential growth)
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not sure what "such code" you're thinking of here. I didn't mention code :S
@sehe Code where t(n+1) ~= 2*t(n) doesn't hold.
22:53
@Rapptz Me too. On the same surface I'd reckon it could all be optimized. Cursory inspection of the assembly showed that wasn't the case (and this made me wish to see some numbers)
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah. I might have that here. Although I'm not sure how that could be :/ I guess it would be toooo fast.
@sehe Consider code where there's an expensive memory allocation at first, but it's cheap for every subsequent iteration (no need to get new blocks from the memory manager; just reuse). If this costly allocation takes a relatively long time, it can easily be those 0.6*T parts.
Then the "timeout_error" is rather ironic and confusing
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok. Got it
What does the message say?
Just "failed to run"
But yeah, probes for slower code are faster, because they're usually over after just a single iteration.
22:55
But of course gdb tells me which exception was thrown
@ScottW I for one was permanently emotionally scarred by @sehe's need for sleep.
I'll tell you what. I'm going to sleep more today. 3 hours/day is not durable
@sehe I remember sleeping for three hours a day, for days on end! Specifically, I remember the hallucinations.
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Q: C++ Template Metaprogramming issue in type selection

Robert RameyThe following code illustrates my problem #include <type_traits> #include <limits> #include <cstdint> #include <boost/mpl/if.hpp> #include <boost/mpl/eval_if.hpp> #include <boost/mpl/identity.hpp> ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // safe_signed_range template <...

Look. Robert Rammey posting on SO. Could be interesting
Yeah, sleep deprivation doesn't scale
22:57
Jul 6 at 20:28, by R. Martinho Fernandes
When I don't sleep much I see things
not seen these effects yet. I get quite slow at processing information some times of the day, though
Fortunately my hallucinations were limited to benign things, like hard hats, textbooks, baklava and utahraptors.
TIL utahraptors are benign
define: utahraptors
no dice

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