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15:00
@Ell Fish.
Fish is good for you.
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Hmm
I wonder if I have any fish in
I had a prawn linguine yesterday
Heck, having that besides the laptop would be really neat.
I would just have to... spend... moneys.
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actually it was a prawn pappardelle
@Griwes What counts as "gaming"?
Without a proper criterion, it will be hard.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Something that runs Witcher 3 on fair settings with a high screen resolution, I guess.
15:02
For me, I'd just get the best GPU I can and max-out RAM. The rest you can then cheap out.
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@Griwes to me, "gaming" means 8gb of ram, cheap cpu and the best gpu you can afford for your budget
@Griwes I'd say €800 would get you a decent system from scratch.
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@buttifulbuttefly ;)
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> 5:55 AM
without monitor/keyboard/speakers
Decent as in I did 5 years with my €800 gaming system
15:05
A nice 4 day week end coming soon
(french national day)
Circa 4/5th of what I'll be earning soon. Doesn't sound too bad.
Especially since I kind of have an ssd for that.
The GPU is what gets old faster. And RAM is the best thing since sliced bread.
Though you can not max-out RAM to save money since it's easy to upgrade.
Yeah.
The rest will certainly last for the whole gaming lifetime of the box.
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amazing
15:08
When your CPU is no longer good enough for the games you want to play, you would have swapped GPU a few times.
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I have an out of date sirloin steak
Secondary storage is also increase-as-you-go.
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I will have to eat that vOv
I'm amazed at how HoTS, which is a recent title by Blizzard, uses only 1 core of my CPU
Hey guise, multicore is here
@buttifulbuttefly our CPU's other cores must smell bad.
15:11
i7 5820K. Thoughts? That shit's expensive, but oh my.
@Griwes i5 is more than enough for gaming IMHO.
@buttifulbuttefly How do you feel about having paid for all those transistors and seeing them wasted?
@Griwes Overkill for gaming.
i7 is just throwing money out the door.
Sure, if you have the money go for it. But you said you wanted a cheap box.
I have an i5 3570(k?) which I bought 1.5 years ago.
15:11
@Griwes around 3k PLN should be enough
Motherboard doesn't have to be sick expensive either.
@BartekBanachewicz That's just GPU
Just good.
in comparison, I paid around 4500 for i7-3770k/GTX-670/8GB/128GB
but I bought good quality parts, didn't aim at maximum performance-to-money ratio
Also: using second hand top-of-the-line previous generation GPUs is a big moneysaver
15:12
so it's names like Gigabyte, Corsair etc
DUAL TITANS OR BUST
my friend has a 24k PLN rig with a titan vOv
I guess he's happy with it.
lol
Well Mumble is quiet
I wish I had that kind of money to spend on computers.
15:13
He wishes that as well
@Ell I weighed the pros and cons of buying a separate TV for years. When I finally did, I felt stupid for having waited so long. A 46" TV is just so much better for watching movies than a 27" monitor.
@Griwes that being said, if you are a reasonable user, big, old-fashioned box PCs give you the most flexibility
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@fredoverflow I would do that if I had my own house in the long term, but hopefully I'll be at uni next year which means living in halls for 1 year then moving out
i5 4690k, then? That kind of doesn't look too overpriced.
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there won't be enough room for a tv
15:15
These days, TVs take almost no space.
Just hang it on the wall like a painting.
@Griwes try half the price
@Ell What does "living in halls" mean?
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There is actually a 52" samsung tv at my current residence :P
@fredoverflow halls are the university provided accommodation for 1st year
@Griwes 4460?
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I guess they're called dorms in the US?
15:16
I have been waiting for my 46" to shrink so I can replace it with a 50"... hasn't happened yet.
@BartekBanachewicz there's no i5 half that price shown on pcpartpicker
@Ell Studentenwohnheim?
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halls = halls of residence
@rubenvb Me too
That's suspicious
Are you me
Don't be me
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@fredoverflow Sounds like it :)
15:17
@Griwes weird, I've checked now and they indeed don't go lower. I paid 1300 for my i7 :v
or wait
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@CatPlusPlus regular titans suck now
@Ell And you don't have to pay for it??
maybe it was 1300 for the GPU and 1600 for the CPU
actually
can't remember now
My goop has only 1GB VRAM
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@fredoverflow I will have to pay for halls, yes
15:17
Who pays a thousand dollars for a CPU??? Mine cost 200 or something.
@fredoverflow Some schools make living in the dorms mandatory for first year students. Because studies.
That's likely PLN not dollars
@fredoverflow those are PLN prices
@rubenvb I've tried before to use virt manager. It was very unpleasant
I like that
15:18
@fredoverflow lol
anyway dunno I really just bought whatever
it was like
a lot of people do a lot of those comparisons and whatnot
and I just needed a PC, so I sit down over one evening, picked some parts that looked reasonable, and ordered them
@sehe I find it overseeably suboptimal.
@sehe And then 100% did anyway
user1804599
I need a function that applies a type constructor.
@BartekBanachewicz When I buy new hardware, I need to take 1-2 weeks off from work so I can decide what to buy.
15:20
@BartekBanachewicz I wanted something that would be good for several years.
I wanted so too
Couldn't just toss things in a shopping cart.
I guess I'm a living example that that's possible
dunno how much I overpaid in the end
but I don't think it was more than 10%
Yes, and as usual you don't matter.
15:21
right.
@rubenvb overseeably :) That Neerlandicism (?)
How do you decide what looks reasonable?
Hm maybe I could upgrade the goop without touching anything else
@R.MartinhoFernandes most of good reviews, most buys, company I trust (gigabyte specifically)
I read reviews; some things have known issues and stuff.
15:21
And also buy a second drive
@CatPlusPlus I doubt it. Any kind of smart group would err on the low side. Anyhoops. We don't know what the point scale is. If it was 6 out of 300 none of this matters
once I narrowed down to gigabyte, it was much easier
@BartekBanachewicz Er, so you don't just toss things in a shopping cart vOv
gigabutt
@R.MartinhoFernandes well it wasn't absolutely uneducated, but compared to the research some people do...
2 mins ago, by fredoverflow
@BartekBanachewicz When I buy new hardware, I need to take 1-2 weeks off from work so I can decide what to buy.
15:22
I probably want to target dual SLI, right? (mobo-wise)
Oh I need to buy an UPS too
lol SLI
no?
@CatPlusPlus that.
Who cares about SLI
15:23
@Griwes no.
Is SLI still a thing?
Not really
no.
one 970 will be enough for everything.
760 if on a budget
128k of RAM will be enough for everyone.
you're not a corner case vOv
15:24
I'm also not a corner case needing more than 128k of RAM!
:D
I guess realizing that I'm not one either helped a lot in choosing parts
There's not many games that both support SLI decently and require much more than an average goop
Waste of everything
the only things I'd buy for my mobo right now would be a better CPU cooler and an UPS
fucks sake
but UPSes are so freaking expensive
15:25
Okay, so I basically want the cheapest mobo that supports 32GiB, I guess?
@Cat my research shows at least 1k PLN can you confirm
Plus it's just most AAAish of AAA crap
@Griwes that'd be anything. ASRock is an okay choice for budget mobos.
they're cheaper than the big brands and until you go high-end, no practical difference
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@R.MartinhoFernandes yes
I bought Gigabyte because they use super-durable elements
super-durable might also mean downtuned.
and stuff like dual bios chips for backups and whatnot
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15:27
SLI & crossfire is a thing for hardcore gamers
lol "hardcore gamers"
@BartekBanachewicz Nah, you can get even 900W ones for less
If they don't give you additional video outputs, they're not worth it
@Ell no, it's not for gamers. It's for hardware freaks.
And you're unlikely to need that much
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15:28
@BartekBanachewicz that's what hardcore gamer means :P
I was looking at 700W ones that give me 5 minutes.
@Ell Not really no.
Don't even think about being able to actually use the PC while on UPS, it's just for orderly shutdown
There's no time left for gaming after putting all those leds and taking all those photos
MSI's 970 360eur
@CatPlusPlus righty.
15:29
Hrm.
5 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
760 if on a budget
(Ti)
Yeah, got that.
I'd pick one with USB communication tho so it can hibernate shit automatically
Just... 360 isn't too terrible.
@CatPlusPlus yeah totally
I was also looking at ethernet filtering but dunno if worth it
15:30
@sehe Fuck, I can't VTC.
also I'd like some ports that are filtered but not powered if you know what I mean
That's what she said
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GTX 970 is best value card currently IMHO
for stuff like speakers and audio equipment in general
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(but also expensive)
15:30
but I might end up buying another UPS just for my guitar amp so
(it's just 120W)
@sehe That's the adverb for overseeable, which as it seems is a side effect of me working among scientists, most of whose English sucks balls.
FFS
why there are no city bikes with hydraulic disc brakes
@sehe I just abused my upvote and dupe-hammer to close the question. lol
I guess the plain English would be "manageable", but that sounds so dull..
yes. Those are just filenames. Change them with e.g. mv hello.txt.bz2 i_prefer_little_ponies.magic.bin or, indeed: bzip2 hello.txt > my_filename.wowsehe 45 secs ago
ITT people can't into files
@Mysticial I couldn't banhammer it because "it had no accepted answer" :)
@rubenvb :D ok TIL
15:34
oh FFS
@sehe So I fixed that problem. :)
even €1000 Electra's have mechanical disks
what the hell is this
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UPS for amp?
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Why on earth :o
15:35
@Ell because you can't turn off tube amps abruptly?
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I didn't know that
@BartekBanachewicz have you tried?
yes.
blown a fuse
oh. that's mild
an internal one
could have been worse
15:36
@ScottW I hope I didn't let you down too much when you asked me to mumble at 4am :)
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I always turned off my amps vOv
@Ell solid state?
you should always get the volume to 0 before turning the amp down
if it's tube then standby for at least 30 seconds first, then turn off
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I don't know.
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They aren't actually mine
They are my brothers
Anyway lawn mowing time
15:41
uh seriously I've searched for "nexus" and literally 0 bikes have hydraulic brakes
wtf
people are bad at bicycles
@BartekBanachewicz I guess... like you said, for mass viewing, projector is the way to go. either way though, who the hell wants to suffer watching a screen at such a stupid angle?
@BartekBanachewicz Why?
Hydraulic brakes are heavy.
@ScottW Good to hear you're recovering
yup. I might elope
15:59
In case somebody read about my problem earlier and is still here, I was able to boil it down and just posted it: stackoverflow.com/questions/31322603/…
First drive by link that wasn't insta-downvote. Kudos for that
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I wouldn't want hydraulic brakes
or a brake disc
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup. I have no machine to verify, but from the description I +1ed
Sometimes when I'm writing Javascript I want to throw up my hands and say "this is bullshit!" but I can never remember what "this" refers to
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16:03
Regular pads and regular physically actuated brakes would be my preference
You probably shouldn't have made that confession.
In the lounge
yes i just put in the wrong lounge
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh god I hope there's a Rhiannon song called "Fleetwood Mac"
it was for javascript
@Ell Brake discs are good if there's mud.
16:04
@Monssef I don't think even they are simple enough to appreciate such a bad joke
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I only cycle on roads really
@sehe I posted it only because I asked about my problem earlier in here. I wouldn't have just "advertised" my question - It's kind of an easy guess that that would probably not be very welcomed. I hoped it was okay in this case :-) Thanks!
Rim brakes are too close to the ground.
'It was just virtualbox for some reason, it works on my actual PC' Aarrgghhh! stackoverflow.com/questions/31306982/…
I feel bitter.
Somebody improve my life experience.
16:06
@wilx Make lemonade!
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... you mean the dirt comes up to them?
@wilx I feel I want bitter
@thecoshman The rim is essentially part of the brakes.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh yeah, I see what you are saying
@MarcoA. In my freeplay map I have no trains. Almost everything is done by robots.
16:09
@wilx Are you on Steam?
I have stuff to give away.
You might like some of it.
I have this habit of buying extra copies of games I already own when they're dirt cheap so I have spare gifts.
@wilx just added 20 tropical feathers, and transferred 7 Paradise Bucks
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am in the lounge group even, I think.
a lounge groupie
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks. Just that you would makes my life immediately better. :)
And your spelling?
16:10
Oh wait. Can't login to Steam.
Need to contact them to override SteamGuard.
Sigh.
lol lol lol
@R.MartinhoFernandes: Thanks for the offer. Do not worry. I am fine enough. :) No need to gift me games.
@MartinJames Does not make the code right vOv
@thecoshman Well, I lost my phone and all my login cookies have expired since.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh lol
16:15
Most other things have a fallback option.
we gifting someone games?
ive been sitting on a skyrim legendary that ive been wanting to give away to someone but everyone already has it
Also, ugh, two-phase auth things that don't let you use a third-party HMAC app.
If it did I could run my own backup authenticator.
@Epicblood hehe, lol
I want some kind of bootstrap for WPF
It's crazy that you have to apply tons of styles to a stupid label + textbox + button dialog to make it look decent
Steam has other 2FA than emails?
@CatPlusPlus It can use the Steam app now.
Big mistake on my part :(
16:19
ergh... any one know of a tool for linux that will watch mem usage, and tell me what it peaks to, ie, so if I thing 'runs out of memory' I can see how much it got up to.
So that's why I never heard of it
@thecoshman Nagios
But it won't let me change the 2FA settings from another box where I am logged in.
ohhhhohohoho
Don't use Nagios
@thecoshman Just buy more RAM :P
Is it for server stuff or just local desktop?
it's for a VM on my local machine
@R.MartinhoFernandes thanks, that totes worked
something like pipeing free through some fancy head tail awk thing would work I'm sure
Riemann is fairly simple, if you don't mind Clojure and some learning curve
balls to learning shit :P
it's no big deal
was just curious
if it does run out of memory, not much I can do really
well... there is, but it's effort
it's mostly that I'm not sure if it's just that the process hit some limit itself, or just the system...
OOM killer logs to dmesg
user1804599
In Haskell, say you have a type T and a type class C in module M. In module N you define instance C T. In module O you define instance C T. What happens when you link both N and O?
user1804599
16:28
Do you get a linker error?
We'll tell you once you introduce some more one-letter identifiers
It's probably compiler error due to ambiguity
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N and O are compiled separately.
user1804599
Lemme try.
Instances are resolved from imported modules
I doubt they're reified in a way that'd cause linker errors
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Interesting.
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16:34
Let's try it.
> Efficient relief from hunger, I am afraid, will not come before the boundaries between nations have become less divisive than they are today. I do not believe that space flight will accomplish this miracle over night. However, the space program is certainly among the most promising and powerful agents working in this direction.
— Dr. Ernst Stuhlinger, then-associate director of science at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center
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seems to work fine indeed.
@Borgleader From a 10k guy? Is this a troll?
user1804599
Ah, nice. I know.
16:38
@Mr.kbok I hope so
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Awesome.
@Mr.kbok Since yourehere, when are you renaming to Prof. kbok?
snackrep is worthless
@Borgleader When the course starts next semester
nice
got your Turbo-C++ ready to go? ;)
16:40
@ScottW He didn't even have an excuse.
Which makes him unique, I guess.
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to verify bytecode or not to verify bytecode
I should be able to munble when I get home at 3.
@Borgleader I'll have everyone use coliru :P
Prometheus by the F ring.
16:43
@Mr.kbok Make them worship me.
$20 to make your name appear in the example code. yes I accept paypal
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Prototypes in JS are nice.
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Have you guys heard of contracts in c++17? I only just heard about them
@Mr.kbok I can do 0.20
@Ell Prolly not gonna be a thing.
16:47
Shocking
So cat
@Mr.kbok lol some dude voted as dupe of something totally unrelated
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@Ell If they make it they'll probably be horribly badly designed and broken like all other C++ features.
@ScottW Hi.
16:51
Tonight I'm going to watch a random movie at the cinema.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which random movie :P
Dunno.
It's secret.
And it's a preview.
You only get to know what when it starts
lol
@R.MartinhoFernandes It'll be Star Wars prequels
@ScottW Nice, I'm in History class.
Those wouldn't be previews.
16:57
REMASTERED
Also DIRECTOR'S CUT
4 hours per
Or 5
5 hours of wonderful CGI
@ScottW I'm taking AP History so I'll have a free period next year.

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