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13:00
It might be to signify the method is already an override. It makes more sense to use override keyword in c++11 though
> The Micro doesn’t print directly in metal or chocolate
I think I'll buy that 72cc cylinder
but dunno, towards the end of the season
so that if I fuck up, it won't be that bad
and I'll have the whole winter to fix it
> metal or chocolate
truth or dare
@REACHUS It's more explicit I guess but I agree that override is even more so.
gold plated chocolate ...
13:04
@REACHUS [on hold]
> 'void asdf::m00()' marked 'final', but is not virtual
Non-virtual methods cannot be marked final
This confirms that m00() wasn't virtual
I can show you a bunch of other stuff that doesn't make sense
@REACHUS you don't need virtual if function already has override or final
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@REACHUS to give the object a vtable for some reason? vOv
(would that work, even?)
@Abyx read up
@Ell yes
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So I have a many-to-many relationship between the same entity.
13:08
@Ell Usually you do that with a virtual destructor, but yeah, that would be an effect of it. (std::is_polymorphic would be true)
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Say create table t (id int); create table t_relations (a_id int references t(id), b_id int references t(id));.
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I don't like this as this implies there's a direction.
It doesn't
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Should I always insert two records?
oh god I bought something using Polish Post Office
I will soooo regret this
13:10
rip
@rightfold Always insert one where a_int < b_int.
@CatPlusPlus in my defense the thing cost me 3.75PLN
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@wilx Hmm. Interesting.
I was already clicking on the 15PLN delivery but was like... oh crap it can come next month w/e
I expect it to not come at all
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what's wrong with Poland mail? :P
valgrind just told me operator new takes 9% of my programs time
@Ell they have like 20% of packet loss
and it takes ages
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lol 20%
where do they even lose them? :P
fuck if I know
@Ell somewhere ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
13:12
amazon denied opening Amazon.pl solely because of that
but I like to live dangerously
so I'm shipping a metal bar worth 4 PLN with them
I'll just have more ridiculing material if they fuck that shipment up somehow
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I want vulkan to come out already
I can't wait for that explicit goodness
~hobbyists~~
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I am unsure of the implication held in those ~s
13:15
let's keep it that way
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No I'm interested :P
There doesn't seem to be a decent IPA keyboard on the Play Store.
Ugh. I kinda wanna make one but I don't want to deal with Android.
@BartekBanachewicz aren't you still limited to 50 though?
@thecoshman yes and my motorbike ❀is limited❀ to 45 km/h
@Bartek can't you use, say, amazon.de?
13:18
@R.MartinhoFernandes IPA isn't something you associate with keyboards, duh
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have both .co.uk and .com accounts
Er why not?
It's meant for transcription.
@BartekBanachewicz ... so why mod so that you can't legally ride your bike any more?
India pale ale (IPA) is a hoppy beer style within the broader category of pale ale. The first known use of the term "India pale ale" is an advertisement in the Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser in 1829. It was also referred to as pale ale as prepared for India, India ale, pale India ale, or pale export India ale. == HistoryEdit == The term pale ale originally denoted an ale that had been brewed from pale malt. The pale ales of the early 18th century were lightly hopped and quite different from pale ales. By the mid-18th century, pale ale was mostly manufactured with coke-fired malt...
ipa is also a format for iOS apps
not something you associate with google play
The International Phonetic Alphabet (unofficially—though commonly—abbreviated IPA) is an alphabetic system of phonetic notation based primarily on the Latin alphabet. It was devised by the International Phonetic Association as a standardized representation of the sounds of oral language. The IPA is used by lexicographers, foreign language students and teachers, linguists, speech-language pathologists, singers, actors, constructed language creators, and translators. The IPA is designed to represent only those qualities of speech that are part of oral language: phones, phonemes, intonation, and the...
@BartekBanachewicz o_0 are those flowers?
@thecoshman WHITE FLORETTE U+2740
@BartekBanachewicz what ever :\
@Eli So does an object have access to class's vtable by using virtual keyword (I though it's independent)?
@thecoshman that was a subtle hint
@thecoshman I don't want to go faster. I want more power when going uphill.
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13:21
@REACHUS when you declare a virtual function, the class is determined to be polymorphic
which means there will be a vtable
@BartekBanachewicz so you can go faster up them :P
well, or go at all
how old are you?
can't you drive a 125?
@thecoshman you need to have B licence for 3 years here for that
or have A1 licence
huh, in UK you just need CBT (Compulsory Basic Training) and be 17 (or 18... 17 I think though
13:26
either way, I just don't like selling stuff
fairly sure ROI is the same...
well not here so.
soo I was thinking about buying two bigger bikes at once
well clearly ¬_¬
and selling that one
but that'd be a lot of moneyz
@BartekBanachewicz Two?
13:27
@R.MartinhoFernandes One for me and one for Natalia
I was planning to get a castrated 600cc that can be ridden on A2
and then buy a litre or 800 for myself
600cc limited to 125cc o_0
@thecoshman A2 is 35kW. A1 is 125cc
the restrictions get confusing :P
13:28
kinda.
UK has it fairly simple
it's exactly the same.
except you can get the A1 easier, but you need to be older
in Poland you can get A1 when you're 16yo
A2 is the same in the UK IIRC
anyhow, I was thinking about having two of them, but in order to tour with them both the small one would need to get tuned a bit
otherwise it would hardly make sense
in uk, just do CBT and you can ride 50 at 16, 125 at 17. Pass test and you can ride up to some limit... do that for a few years and you have full licence, or do some test, or be old enough
in Poland it's 14/16/18/24(20)
requires one full course and then you can "upgrade" more easily. At least from A2->A, dunno about the lower ones
courses are hard and tests are hard.
I think ROI is the same more or less
I'll look into it next year I think
13:34
just do full A if you can (I guess you're older than 24yo)
@thecoshman I'm picturing you in a year showing up with a reply "Hey @Bartek, I looked into it, and it's the exactly same in ROI".
@BartekBanachewicz I is
yeah so do full A.
I think 125 is limit for learners no matter how old
but you can pass on a big bike, and you're golden
though IIRC you can never practice... you just have to pass on a 500cc I think it is...
noo... can't be that big a change...
125->500 is less of a change than 50->125 in practice
13:36
oh sure
I should porbably start looking to get the test booked... can be quite the waiting list...
also need to start looking out for a car that isn't stupidly expensive to insure
Vauxhall Vectras are nice
I have underestimated sedans before I got my car
I didn't end up buying a vectra because it was too beaten up
@BartekBanachewicz oh, you call the Vauxhall too, I thought that was only UK.
@BartekBanachewicz just means you don't have to worry about it :P
@thecoshman We don't, but I thought you might not know them by Opel
@thecoshman means the exact opposite
@BartekBanachewicz :P
@BartekBanachewicz oh, you mean not just panel work
yeah it was a wreck
my current car is in much better state
13:42
meh, just for a cheap throw away car, if the insurance is cheap and car is't too much
and then realize your ABS turns off in the middle of the highway
v good thinking
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I like to pretend tech execs are always talking about how big the sub they ate for lunch was http://t.co/3uWcE8CVZB
I bought a car that had a shitty look, shitty comforthingies and shitty reputation
that way I was able to afford it in a decent shape and paid just a little to get pretty much all of the defects fixed
oh, I actually got a quote, just to see how bad it would be. For a 10y old Yaris, considering I've not yes passed, €2000!
13:47
Btw, @Xeo how far is Köln from you?
those small city cars are death on wheels really
@buttifulbuttefly repost
@BartekBanachewicz gf's parents car to get some practice on. The mom is going to look to put me on for a few months so I can get some practice. 12 hours of lessons is not a good way to go into the test :P
Aha, again 1st class tickets cheaper than 2nd class.
vOv
@R.MartinhoFernandes wat
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13:49
why
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that doesn't make sense
@thecoshman I did my course/test on it
@BartekBanachewicz just lessons?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why sir, there's no finer way to travel.
13:50
This time the difference is only 2 euros, but still cheaper.
@thecoshman we can't drive w/o an instructor
(I guess I'd buy 1st class even if it was 2 euros more expensive)
Wait, but screenie.
@BartekBanachewicz so you can only do 'proper' lessons, then attempt the test, then fully qualified?
May 2 at 12:33, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@sehe I always travel 1st class because it's cheaper.
Right screenie.
This is bullshit :D
Xeo
Xeo
13:52
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not all that far
inb4 picture of a shitting male cow
... male cow shitting
Xeo
Xeo
I think it's under an hour with the train
not sure
@Xeo Wanna go there the 5th and/or 6th September?
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure, why not.
Ah dammit, no cheap 1st class on return.
Xeo
Xeo
13:54
Connichi is on the 18th to 20th
Derp. I tried to switch my ssh bridge over to another server and I killed autossh before starting a new instance.
Derp.
(...FTR I tried to do that... remotely)
@Griwes very good job :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes How is this possible?
@thecoshman Thank you. :D
Xeo
Xeo
@wilx Special offer, see screenshot
1st class has special offer, 2nd class doesn't
13:56
@Xeo Ah, I see.
so
guys
I got the job :)
@thecoshman yes
Hmm, on return 1st class is only 10 bucks more.
@Griwes I've never had to use hosting tools to get access again<lies through teeth />
@BartekBanachewicz woah... that's... odd... for cars right?
@BartekBanachewicz shiney beam of light
13:58
@BartekBanachewicz gratz :)
@BartekBanachewicz When's the party?
@BartekBanachewicz Which one was that again? :P
@Xeo do you think a BahnCard is worth it?
@Griwes Dynatrace
@thecoshman for everything
Better, how much travel is needed before a BahnCard becomes worth it?
Xeo
Xeo
13:59
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe. They usually tell you if the 25% off are worth it for that ride alone
@nabijaczleweli I guess it will align with our house breaking party. drop by if you want lol
@BartekBanachewicz 47 BHP only? That sucks
> only
@Griwes which means I am not coming to warsaw
@BartekBanachewicz gud4u
@TonyTheLion :) :) :)
I AM ABLE TO BUY THINGS AGAIN
HOW COOL IS THAT
14:01
@BartekBanachewicz VERY
@BartekBanachewicz wait, what about a learner on a bike?
@Xeo Are the prices per month or per year?
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@BartekBanachewicz congrats
Xeo
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes per year, IIRC
@BartekBanachewicz Dynatrace, interesting. My company is a competitor in the field. :)
14:01
Oh wow.
That's awesome then.
@BartekBanachewicz well... once you start getting pay :P
Xeo
Xeo
Yeah, BahnCards are usually worth it if you do at least 2 trips per year
@thecoshman I've managed to accumulate some savings
14:02
Say, I pay 62 euros per year, and I'm already saving 40 on this trip.
I'll be able to either keep saving or buy stuff instead of food with them
Awesome, getting one.
@thecoshman nope.
Oh, first class is 125.
Hmm.
Dammit.
@BartekBanachewicz good lord!
14:03
@thecoshman Well, save B -> 50 / 125 after 3 years. But that's not "learning"
Xeo
Xeo
Get the second class one and travel second class :P
yeah, I could just do CBT and get (small) bike
what's stopping you
@BartekBanachewicz but it's driving on you're own
125 is enough for a start
@thecoshman yep.
14:03
@BartekBanachewicz €€€ $$$
@thecoshman they're not that expensive nowadays
the market is flooding
sure you need to add gear costs
I might look to buy one over winter
700-800 GBP should be enough for a bike and a starter kit
@Xeo But... but...
actually... I don't trust my area... I'd need to sort out a hefty chain deep in cement :P
14:05
@Xeo Why would I want a 2nd class discount if I can pay ~the same and travel 1st class?
@BartekBanachewicz good for the UK, I use Euro
@thecoshman €1000-1200
so half of your Yaris :P
@BartekBanachewicz That was two grand just for insurance guy :\
@thecoshman wait what
14:07
I was only getting a feeling, so I only went to one company
You're not supposed to bribe them until after the accident
OTOH three trips would be enough.
Woo, this guy will be competing as well. worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=2015SCHW05
I'm guaranteed to not place last!
But most people there have ~20s averages.
:S
@BartekBanachewicz how much(ish) was your starting insurance, you're only a spot younger than me IIRC
oh it's like €4 porobably
stupid cheap ass poland
14:17
lol
@R.MartinhoFernandes What's wrong with being in the 20s ? :(
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@R.MartinhoFernandes that make me feel a bit better about myself
Oh wait we're talking about rubiks cube times...
@Rerito 20 seconds.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh shit, sentence taken out of context... Sorry :S
ffs, 7 words phrase (and two 'ands') abbreviated to four letters. No wonder it takes people so long to be able to be productive here
oh sure! why not have context sensitive abbreviations, where both forms make sense is more or less every context!
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14:31
bukkake bukkake bukkake udon
@thecoshman around €30 for a year IIRC
For the motorbike. Car - no idea, bought it paid for next year
Actually i bought the motorbike paid up as well but it was around that
@BartekBanachewicz congratulations
I am looking into standard library sources and I see this declaration of std namespace: namespace std _GLIBCXX_VISIBILITY(default) - is the second part of it GCC-specific (I don't see any explanation for it on Cpppreference)?
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Q: What is _GLIBCXX_VISIBILITY?

user3875690I was going through the source of some of the standard headers included with gcc (in /usr/include/c++/ ) and found the following at the top of every header: namespace std _GLIBCXX_VISIBILITY(default) What exactly is _GLIBCXX_VISIBILITY(default)?

> _GLIBCXX
14:34
I see that Clang supports it
also googling the name probably helps
But it probably inherited it from GCC
@Griwes It means it’s a happy C++.
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Q: What is _GLIBCXX_VISIBILITY?

user3875690I was going through the source of some of the standard headers included with gcc (in /usr/include/c++/ ) and found the following at the top of every header: namespace std _GLIBCXX_VISIBILITY(default) What exactly is _GLIBCXX_VISIBILITY(default)?

OK, I should Google it deeper
14:35
Seriously, searching google doesn't hurt.
> Deeper
@REACHUS I don't recommend learning the standard library by reading the sources.
> 2nd result
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am learning it mostly by reading and doing examples from Cppreference but lots of the time I'm curious how these things are implemented
@REACHUS You shouldn't know that, tbh
14:39
You shouldn't rely on that, there's a difference
@nabijaczleweli Oh yes I should, though it will take some time.
@CatPlusPlus yes, I don't intend to rely on that, I just think that these sources are an example of well-written, advanced C++ code.
> well-written C++ code
Nope
@REACHUS I don't recommend learning to write C++ code from the standard library sources.
It uses implementer haxx for performance
Unless you are implementing STL, you don't need to know them
14:44
It's not about performance
Beh my productivity is ded
Completely
You don't need to know how to build an engine to drive
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I need a memory stick
don't inspect the inner working of the STL thinking you'll learn the magical workings of C++. read a good book instead.
@Ell according to this thread you don't :P
14:51
Fuck Arch Linux.
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I was just reading that.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Consider it done
Fucking piece of crap.
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don't use it problem solved
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install templeos
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@R.MartinhoFernandes what happened?
14:53
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think their packaging system sucks (though I think many people think quite the opposite)
@Ell I updated my system and shit broke, as usual.
It's a rolling-down-the-hill release system.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I updated mine and it didn't.
And now I'll have to do some bullshit to downgrade ICU
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did you have any GS Plugins?
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I have never really experienced problems with updates. I wish I had because I want to understand what the issues are
All of my linux problems are self inflicted :P
maybe this will change when I switch to gentoo :P
14:54
@Columbo No, I don't. This is just the usual normal breakage.
Why did I think it would be different after all these years.
@R.MartinhoFernandes With Gnome?
Or what in particular?
Remember that Homer gif about cooking
With Arch.
There's no Gnome.
Arch is cereal and milk is pacman -Syu
@R.MartinhoFernandes What manager do you use then
14:55
@CatPlusPlus Exactly.
@Columbo None.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oO
You're a terminal guy
This is a minimalistic server.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh.
I thought that was your desktop.
lol
Let's see if icu 54 is in the cache.
Well.
It is.
But I bet I'll break half the rest of the system by downgrading it.
@rightfold this sucks so much
Hello, 1997 called and they want their HTML-generating DSL back
14:58
@Ell Worrying whether your system will boot up or not after the update is not normal
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@CatPlusPlus Exactly.
Downgraded and fixed exactly half the breakage (i.e. one of two failing services now starts).
I don't dare restart any of the ones running.

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