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00:01
what the hell does that mean, @chmod711telkitty
No one's there except me.
And by me I mean my phone idling on it.
And I'm still not home, this sucks.
So... I come back from the Anime convention. And this is the first thing I see in the news...
@Mysticial He did it for America.
Woooo! Bald eagles and shit!
someone has to win the darwin award ...
speaking of which, not wanting to be disrespectful to the dead, a lot of darwin award winners were exceptionally brave
@Nooble I'm used to hearing the ambulance every hour or so at large Anime conventions. But I don't think I've heard or any cases of anyone actually killing themselves.
00:16
@Mysticial What makes Anime conventions so... dangerous?
At my school's club, we used to have a single room. The first year that we split it into drinking and non-drinking rooms, one of the guys in the drinking rooms had to get his stomach pumped.
@Nooble Alcohol
I wouldn't say "dangerous", just a lot of drunk people doing stupid things.
Like pulling fire alarms.
It's almost part of the fun.
@Mysticial Did you wear costume?
@Borgleader Currently no. So far I've never wanted to put in the effort.
Also, unless you're in the hotels next to the convention, it looks really stupid in the subway.
Although it does have it uses.
The subways aren't exactly safe in the middle of the night which is when people usually leave.
So it helps to cosplay as something with a sword. And disguise a real sword as a prop.
Koala costume would scare off everyone.
Try that.
@vinipsmaker I had a badass general called vinicius in rome tw
00:21
Speaking of which, I snapped a picture of a 700 year old sword today.
The guy says only 5 were ever made by the same blacksmith. One is his. One is in Seattle, the other 3 are lost.
At least that's what he claims.
I won't doubt him though.
I once saw a documentary on how japanese katanas are made (using the "ancestral techniques") and holy shit
it made me want one, theyre so beautiful
but... theyre worth so fucking much T_T
00:23
@Borgleader Same
The guy's who sword I saw today says he picked it up from a student who was cleaning up a barn that belonged to his grandfather a WWII veteran.
This was the documentary
So let your imagination on how the blade ended up in the US.
@Mysticial Thats fucking gorgeous, but I'm disappointed it doesn't have the wavey pattern in it
or barely anyway
00:29
Last summer when I was in chicago for a wedding there was an anime convention going on at the same time
The 5 that were made were for each element:
- Fire (in Seattle)
- Water (In the picture)
- Earth (lost)
- Ether (lost)
- I forgot what the 5th was.
people dressed up in anime swag randomly walked into the wedding... pretty funny
didn't know they had stainless steel 700 years ago
@Mysticial Element: Either... wat?
@Borgleader That's what she told me. Which also means "void". I didn't ask any further though.
00:30
ether maybe
Ether... you know... 'space'
^ what Alex said
@Mysticial probably wind
or air. I KNOW MY RPGS :p
@Prismatic or you watched Naruto
@Borgleader Nah I'm too old for that. My generation was dragon ball z
@Prismatic I watched DBZ when I was a kid...
avatar also has the whole elements thing
that was a pretty good show
00:34
@Mysticial Is that a dragon in the handle?
@Mysticial That is really pretty!
@Mysticial If thats really 700 years old, wouldn't a museum or collector pay serious dosh for it?
@Borgleader Yeah. They're called the 5 dragon swords. Though there isn't much info about them on the internet. Or at least is drowned out in RPG hits.
So that one is the water dragon.
@Mysticial Cool. Although, I would think that would make the handle less comfortable to hold?
00:37
@Prismatic They said they turned down offers of 40k+.
@Mysticial Wow. Why would you walk around with a $40k collectible out in the open like that? ... I wouldn't even touch with with my bare hands
@Prismatic I'm surprised too.
The person holding it is the owner's wife.
I'd take it straight to this guy
The wife herself has a 300 year old sword which I also have pictures of.
00:39
They actually did a cutting demo with both the 300 and 700 year-old swords yesterday. But I didn't go to it.
@Prismatic So he can give you 30c for it?
It shocks me they would actually do that with such antiques.
The story for how they got the 700 year old sword (assuming it's true) is also pretty incredible by chance.
It's probably safe to guess that the sword remained in Japan from 1300 - WWII.
Then a US solder obtained it and took it here.
After he passed away, the grandson wanted to sell it for whatever he could get (something stupidly cheap). The grandson's teacher (which is the current owner) said he couldn't pay what was being asked for. And instead cleared a bank account out of good will.
Obviously you can't put a price on something like this.
00:54
@sehe: In my opinion, students should learn their way around arrays and pointers before they start playing with standard library containers and iterators. — Beta 1 min ago
God
@sehe I disagree, I'd show pointers and raw arrays after, and be like "remember how great and easy using containers was" yeah, now you know why we have them.
Yeah. It's the same old.
I mean. Look at that question's code for crying out loud
char input_file_name[15]; // the char array to hold the input file name;
int n;  // no of students
int p;  // no of projects
int id[20]; // the integer array to hold the student ids
int pin[20]; // the integer array to hold the pin numbers
char first_name[20][12]; // first names for 20 students,
                             // each first name with 11 characters
char last_name[20][12]; // last names for 20 students,
                             // each last name with 11 characters

int projects[20][8]; // the integer array to hold project grades;
@sehe I saw your stream, I cringed at the code then.
It doesn't get much worse
@Borgleader Oh lol. It's weird when people watch :) I don't fully realize it
I agree with that guy. You should at least know how arrays and pointers work before using containers. I really hate when you're taught something and its like "just write this, but don't worry about why, you might learn that later"
00:59
Well. How the hell would you teach Python or Java?
You want to teach someone to use containers with iterators in C++ with no prior knowledge of pointers... and then the magic '->' and '*' show up. What do you tell your students?
It's a false belief that because C is a subset in C++, only knowing the subset validates using C++
Who said anything about C? C++ has both pointers and arrays too. I'm not saying that you make your students implement their own data structures in C and all, but you should know a bit about pointers and arrays before jumping into containers.
@Prismatic You explain them. Duh. But there's not gonna be a need when just using vector, set, sort, stable_partition, copy_n, fill, generate, mt19337, iostream
@Prismatic Then look at the question for context. Please. I'll wait (WARNING: SUICIDE COUNCIL MIGHT BE REQUIRED)
I think that C should be taught before C++.
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01:02
@chmod711telkitty Drop bears are nice koalas.
Including pointers and implementation of basic data structures
@Jefffrey I learnt C after C++
@Jefffrey lolwut. How would you learn C without pointers and/or basic data structures anyways
@sehe The question is C with classes. Lots of people do it. People avoid the stl altogether
s/People/Gamedevs/
never forget
01:05
@Prismatic The question is C WITHOUT STRUCTS EVEN. It's baaaaaad
I learned C++ before C and we had a bit of that "you'll learn it later" stuff going on which really sucked. We didn't know anything about pointers or templates but we were using containers
Its a huge waste of time trying to figure out cryptic error messages when you don't know why you're doing things a certain way
We learned pointers and a teensy little bit about templates at the end of the course as an afterthought really... but that made so much more sense
So just from my experience, I wouldn't expect anyone I'm teaching to use containers without a basic understanding of pointers, arrays and templates (very very basic for the latter, no evil TMP)
^^ Look who has the highest voted answer.
That's a bad answer
That's like saying, you don't need to make people implement their own algorithms for sorting or graphs or whatever since you can just call qsort or something
c++ is hard because you can't teach all the stuff you need in one course. Even the simplest thing like debugging a seg fault requires so much context to explain what's going on.
Its a bad first language to teach no matter what bjarne thinks
@Ell I deleted a part of that... :( It contained my streaming key)
@Mysticial speaking of which. When was the last time I saw @JerryCoffin
Oh. I admit that if they teach it badly...
Also, you might have a preference to learn bottom-up. I did too. I knew all the pointer stuff before learning C++. I just never "learned C"
@Prismatic True
01:20
I should learn boost, but its hard to learn a library when you dont have a concrete goal/project to complete.
=/
Answer questions :)
@sehe But you take all the good ones ;)
> "all the good ones"
Which good ones :|
awww that's mean :P
Not really. Especially last week. I've maybe answered 3 mildly worthy questions
01:23
@Jefffrey Only those still stuck on 7th gen consoles.
"HOW CAN WE CODE LAMBDA IF OUR FUNCTIONS AREN'T REAL"
It's good I braced for that when I saw a wild Cinch suddenly appearing
@Prismatic AGREEEEEED
in other news, I just finished a curve-drawing option for my new azimuth-distance program
It's quite good
@Prismatic It's a bad first language
@khajvah There are worse languages, you C...
@sehe bottom up or top down
01:29
b/u
I wish I was a bird
@sehe Last week I think.
I hope he's well.
Me too
@khajvah no you don't
01:31
You wish you were a bawler
@sehe oh i'm glad u knew u must be a swolemate
birds are cool
I wish I had a rabbit in a hat with a bat
And a six four Impala
even cooler than the lounge kids
why do some foreigners in USA celebrate USA independance day like it's their birthdays
makes no sense
> Man Shouts “F*ck That Alligator”, Jumps Into Lake And Is Killed By Alligator
niiiice
pics or didn't happen
@khajvah America!!!!
Woooooo!
@Prismatic This may be right, although I learned C++ as my first language. Kinda just half-assed everything until I got the hang of it.
@Nooble Most people cannot handle sitting for hours learning C++ with just half an ass. It hurts.
@VermillionAzure Not for a koala.
@Nooble also, did u hear my voice
@VermillionAzure No
I haven't been on, just idling.
01:44
@Nooble perhaps i should live stream
@VermillionAzure Sure.
sigh but league of legends calls...
I WANNA HEAR YOUR VOICE <3
Mumble then.
01:45
how do i mumbl
mumumumumum
Download Mumble.
Connect to loungecpp.sehe.nl.
fine.
sheesh.
i'm ..........................lling...... it....
i....y'kn....try.....k....ogging.......n
well i'm on
@VermillionAzure Bye bye vermillan atcher.
Close enough I guess.
@VermillionAzure Asher vs Atcher.
> My favorite "bad coding practice for speed" is any loop over 300 (usually pixel processing). Don't even have a loop end condition in the for loop just catch the exception when the array out of index happens. Order of magnitude faster. (Awful idea and code but hey it works).
Damn Java you ugly
@Prismatic You would get banned in java room for that
02:09
@khajvah Agh don't tempt me.
I once did
Are you still?
tbf, I said "fucking ugly" instead of "ugly" but still
nope, I am not
Oooh wanna do it with me.
you will get banned from lounge too
it is global ban
02:11
Oh.
What the hell why.
for just 30 minutes
Wait banned or flagged then banned?
I don't know really
I just know I 30 minute ban
You can get banned from all SO chat rooms just for saying Java is u gly?
"fucking ugly" but yeah
02:14
That's some powertripping insecurity bs right there. Everyone here makes fun of c++ all the time
 
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04:01
back
04:38
soo
does anybody want to read a story?
05:06
@AlexM. ok...
 
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07:02
hello
why is the lounge so quiet
07:13
@khajvah I'm sleeping.
Hey guyz
@MartinJames morning :)
@khajvah I've only had one coffee so far. I am consequently unable to function for some time yet.
> only
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07:29
user1804599
hahaha
@khajvah lol people
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@Jefffrey I think that both C and C++ should be ignored.
user1804599
@thecoshman Is Fallout 2 fun?
user1804599
I like the graphics.
07:45
@MartinJames just don't fall asleep
Xeo
Xeo
Fuck, my pinky is still partially numb
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> Frequency: 5.3 Hertz
Power Consumption: Around 4000 watts
user1804599
best computer ever
@Xeo what did you do with it?
Xeo
Xeo
dunno
played too much Terraria, prolly
~25h over the weekend
not all that much
though I pretty much didn't move from my PC on Saturday / Sunday at all except for sleepin and getting food
07:51
how is it
Xeo
Xeo
What, Terraria?
sounds fun and addictive
@rightfold no idea, never played any of them. Been meaning to play through the series though.

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