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14:00
ah right I forgot C++ is a piece of shitt
@BartekBanachewicz well GCC is far from compliant ideone.com/haMG00
lol
@BartekBanachewicz But what if your needs
not even a warning!
yeah well still stop ranting you chose the language yourself now deal with it
@Gizmo -Wnarrowing-conversions -Walso-you-suck
14:01
Warn me every time I try to write C++
Give <head>s
also where in the standard does it say narrowing conversions shouldn't be allowed?
This error marks an improvement in VS
Probably in the chapter about conversions
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@QueueOverflow yes, that's fine.
14:01
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Q: Narrowing conversions and initializer lists, which compiler is right?

101010Considering the following piece of code: #include <iostream> auto main() -> int { double x(7.0); int i{x}; std::cout << "i = " << x << std::endl; return 0; } When compiled in GCC4.9 it compiles fine with only a warning: warning: narrowing conversion of ‘x’ from ‘double’ t...

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Classes can have dependencies on classes in other packages just fine.
IRTA "Considering the following piece of shit:"
so you guys do talk a lot, but don't even know if it's correct
@rightfold Thank you very much :)
Here we go with the "answer this unless you are too stupid to do so" game
14:02
It's your problem not ours
@Jefffrey shit on the mind
Woo almost 600B DPS
I think I have strong synapsis connecting "code" and "shit".
I just consider those two synonyms
14:03
@Gizmo accepting ill-formed programs is something compilers can indeed do yes. Not having a warning as you posted is curious though
Let's talk about bad webcomics
Fuck off cat.
does ideone even display warnings?
@BartekBanachewicz ideone doesn't even show the compiler flags. It's useless for this sort of thing.
14:05
yeah thought so
well good point, stupid me, but point still stands, even their C++ compiler gives no error.
"C++*14*"
Their? Ideone has no compiler
Its a gcc frontend.
@Gizmo there's no point in the first place
Using compilers to prove anything about the standard has always been dumb
+1 for cat also -1 for xkcd
14:06
Just -1?
lame level = cringe
@CatPlusPlus saying it's in the standard without really knowing it's in the standard is pointless
@CatPlusPlus Well you can only downvote once you know
oh fuck off the draft is public why don't you check yourself
There's a big gap between knowing its in the standard and quoting the wording
14:08
I vote for replacing xkcd feed with savagechicken
is this an argument?
> [...] If a narrowing conversion is required to initialize any of the elements, the program is ill-formed.
@Gizmo 8.5.4/5. Now shut the fuck up.
checked transcript, you guys have lots of patience
I'd have plonked gizmo way longer ago
@Gizmo open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2014/n4296.pdf. For future reference, you can use Ctrl+F in that document and find your own standard quotes.
14:26
lol motorcycle bike from the US is sooooo from an american writer
he warns about angering car drivers because "they might carry firearms with them"
I never got why people having guns is such a thing in the US
Ugh I starred Akka.NET and they started spamming shit at me
here nobody has guns and nothing ever happens
@AlexM. There's your answer: because they don't want to get bored.
@AlexM. nobody except people that have them, that is
14:32
it seems that since 1984 3/4 of the firearms used in mass shootings in the us were legally obtained washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/…
"legally obtained" borders on meaninglessness there.
I think that it suggests access to guns should be stricter
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Akka is terrible.
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Maybe the .NET version is less terrible.
Has anybody tried getting robust network IO in Windows, where transfer failure/io failure automatically retries. What do you guys think of shelling out to robocopy?
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14:35
nope, website has custom scrolling crap, so the docs are not navigatable
@AlexM. Consider that there is a lot more demand for it than here. How do you draw the line between those who get one and those who don't?
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also callbacks -1
why is there demand for AK47s from commoners though
@AlexM. Meaning, even if their controls were as strict as elsewhere, there's just a lot more people willing to grab one.
I understand hunting rifles because people hunt
but why the hell can random guys purchase AK47s and similar guns
14:36
range shooting
AK-47 is pretty fun to shoot
I enjoyed it more than say glock
I see no appeal in guns :<
Oh boy, here we go again.
shooting stuff is fun
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I believe the only way to get a decent actor model implementation working on .NET is to implement a CLR in Erlang.
it's like a game
14:37
I'd probably go shoot somewhere in an enclosed area using their equipment
I wouldn't buy my gun because why would I
@AlexM. Most states don't allow that.
@rightfold Orleans
@AlexM. same thing with skis/snowboards
you can always rent
@BartekBanachewicz You say that because you live in Poland. I think it's perfectly natural to buy a snowboard in Canada or Switzerland, for example.
because snowboards can successfully be used in killing tons of people
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14:38
@CatPlusPlus terrible
You're terrible
@R.MartinhoFernandes a lot of people in southern Poland own snowboards. Here in the north we buy kite boards and windsurfing boards
I'm saying that rental in an enclosed space should be the only way to get to fire guns
@AlexM. that's like a totally different thing
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you still have to worry about blocking calls all the time
user1804599
14:39
no pre-emption
@R.MartinhoFernandes IOW yeah that's what I meant when justifying gun purchase
@BartekBanachewicz Wait what.
I don't get it.
you might not want to rent a gun if you shoot it regularly
and storing guns of every person in the range would be impractical I guess
> Upgrade your flight for only 700 USD
lol, that would double its price, no thanks
"only"
but it's ~~upgraded~~
14:42
@BartekBanachewicz Why not if you only do so in the range? You have to pay membership anyway.
@buttifulbuttefly I like when refundable tickets are twice as a expensive as non-refundable ones.
I ate too much
I won't be able to eat anything when I get home
@buttifulbuttefly HK logic
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why not store only the ammunition in the range then?
@R.MartinhoFernandes *terms apply
What's the advantage of bringing your own gun
14:43
@BartekBanachewicz Why do you want the gun then? You can get decorative firearms that are non-functional.
Some people don't like to share stuff with others
and if it's say an expensive sport rifle
... which they didn't pay for.
Also, tough luck for them. Deal with it, basically.
@R.MartinhoFernandes that would imply the range has to buy them
typically rental stuff isn't top quality equipment
14:45
Yes, that's how rental works.
Oh look what is written on that gun
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can use this argument to forbid shooting at all.
@BartekBanachewicz Then I will.
I win.
Thank you for your cooperation.
14:46
now forbid people to use roads as well
Can't do that. Roads provide important benefits for society.
but they're dangerous
Roads kill people
14:47
roads don't kill people
@BartekBanachewicz Who cares.
I kill people
with roads
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sport brings benefits to society as well
How To Operate A Road Safely
14:47
@BartekBanachewicz Not wanting to share your rifle doesn't.
But really, I think my reasons for having your own gun are pretty legit
why don't you want to agree on restricting just ammunition?
I think it's a win-win. I get to keep my shiny gun, and you can sleep safe knowing I won't shoot outside of the range
No, I can't. Ammunition is a lot easier to come by.
Orders of magnitude easier.
Why are people fascinated by guns
it's a bit hard to convince someone who likes guns that his gun should be taken away for the safety of other people
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14:51
We should restrict selling to just fully automated weapons.
like there's this guy who does CS GO videos, and will get old enough to have a gun soon and he mentioned that it's the first thing he wants to do
I don't understand that
why do you want a gun so much shrug
@R.MartinhoFernandes mmmm... technically you could use a locked pipe, black powder and lead balls
lead is freely obtainable. you can melt it over the typical campfire
Bartek your hypothetical scenario sucks
Or with electricity
to make a rifle barrel you need typical metal workshop, but not unobtainable either
14:52
Yeah, right.
black powder isn't too hard if you know 2+2 of chemistry
Or you could use a 3D-printed gun
If popele want to kill other popele for reasons they don't need to get into ~~sophistication~~ this isn't Agatha Christie
Or you could make a tesla coil railgun
I'm not even talking about make-your-own-ammunition.
Or use bow and arrow
14:53
or improvise a bomb
or just hit someone with a fist
Inventories of ammunition are a lot harder to keep than of firearms.
Because it's small and numerous
comes in packets.
@CatPlusPlus And easy to transport.
In hundreds of packets
I guess you gotta establish first whether you want to protect yourself against people who want to use the guns illegally or not
it's like, it's pretty silly, don't you think
14:55
not sure if trolling
I don't need to protect myself from people in a shooting range. What kind of question is that?
I mean all those scenarious sound funny, but if someone's determined to throw things at others at high speed, there are various ways to do it
Throw a Bartek in a car / on a motorbike
@BartekBanachewicz So it's pointless to minimise them. Great.
allowing me to keep my sport rifle at home does open a way for such a person admittedly
14:56
@BartekBanachewicz Also, none of the alternatives is as easy and as effective as firearms.
do you have a gun bartek
@AlexM. not yet
(There's a reason firearms completely took over the medieval battlefields and it's not fashion)
Now on board plane
will you buy a gun bartek
14:56
But what if someone had A CANNON
@R.MartinhoFernandes if you want to minimise them, you can forbid shooting completely (again)
@AlexM. probably
@CatPlusPlus what if someone had a tank
I'd want a Glock I guess
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not talking to you ever again
@AlexM. then you put fishes in it
14:56
A tank with cannons
@AlexM. lol very balanced
who knows maybe you'll get angry and shoot me through the internet cable
@BartekBanachewicz That's not a sports rifle :v
@AlexM. I would bite you over said cable if I could
Or a drone
14:57
@BartekBanachewicz Your slippery slope argument doesn't discredit the fact that limiting shooting to ranges is a good compromise.
@CatPlusPlus I think shooting it has a certain flair to it
What if you're on a slope with a gun and you'll slup
dunno.
I enjoyed it
I shot a sports gun as well ofc
it's a tad different
I enjoy explosions happening in my hand as well
but meh, getting a gun is effort and stuff
@CatPlusPlus don't forget explosions near your crotch
14:58
I don't even know where to get a gun from here
That's what she said
@AlexM. A shop
I never heard of someone getting one in my whole life
@AlexM. I don't either
With guns
A gun shop
not even kids at school ever think about getting guns shrug
14:59
"not even"
lol
What is normal
well I gave the CS GO guy as an example
@AlexM. I've some friends doing sport shooting and some hunting friends
who grew up wanting to buy a gun because his family also had guns
so it must be tradition in those parts
@AlexM. My dad always had guns in the house.
15:00
I have a bow vOv
does it count as a gun @AlexM.
A wooden gun
we also had a hunter in the family, never felt like going crazy after his rifle tho
in Crysis they had bows as well
Bow is invariably the best weapon in games
Guns suck
yes
bows are great
I was using the bow only in turok
dino hunting with the bow
15:01
I don't get the double standards between bows and guns really
@BartekBanachewicz You know people who hunt their friends? Not cool
getting good bows was hard in M&M VI though
@R.MartinhoFernandes you're also limiting keeping guns
it was hard in any M&M if you ask me
any that I've played I mean
You can't carry a composite bow under your shirt
15:02
@R.MartinhoFernandes well
@CatPlusPlus under a coat perhaps
@FlorianMargaine Even shitty bows were expensive.
@CatPlusPlus ¬_¬ cross or long?
good bows are kinda OP in M&M tho :P
there are those super cool arrow hangers
in most cases you can just kill lots of enemies from afar and if they get close you just run and shoot
so it's understandable
15:03
Powerful bows tend to be p heavy, and least powerful guns are still more powerful than those
@R.MartinhoFernandes but how can you enjoy something something bad argument
@Mr.kbok yeh
@CatPlusPlus not really, no
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looks like a very weird bicycle
to both of those
15:03
@BartekBanachewicz that's so hi tech it can probably run crysis
mine looks a bit similar
except I don't have assymetric wheels
they are rather short, like, <1m
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1m peckers
don't weigh much contrary to what cat says
@BartekBanachewicz And how fast can you shoot that
and a bow from that one can carry much more power than a small firearm
15:05
@CatPlusPlus fairly sure a Long bow would weigh more than most smgs
@CatPlusPlus like, in terms of arrow speed or in terms of arrows/s?
Both really
Those bows are made to be held drawn not for fast shooting
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fully automatic bow
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2000000 arrows per minute
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15:06
railguns always win
bleh, modern compound bows
@CatPlusPlus an arrow from a good hunting bow can easily go over 300km/h
all that fancy shit and I bet not one of them could shoot a pill out of the air
I guess you'd lose that bet
compound bow world competitions have way better results than reflex bows
@BartekBanachewicz That's... not very fast
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15:07
small arms bullets go up to 5486km/h
@CatPlusPlus it's enough to crush your thigh bone
@BartekBanachewicz o_0 'results' in what?
@thecoshman accuracy
It's ~85m/s, Glock has muzzle velocity of 375
I don't know any other pistols
the arrow weighs much more than the bullet though
15:08
@BartekBanachewicz at stationary targets
@thecoshman I don't see why it should be different for moving targets
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Here's a nice comparison between guns and bows: youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
@BartekBanachewicz they rely on getting very still and aiming carefully at a stationary target
and while we're at "high tech compound bows"
why don't we look at "high tech reflex bows"
@thecoshman just like reflex bows
seriously the only difference is in the layoff
They mostly differ in how they're powered afair
@CatPlusPlus the technique is different
@BartekBanachewicz It's completely different for moving targets.
the first thing I want to ask then
Especially since in non-sport archery you don't have 10 seconds to aim.
to the reflex bow guys
do you do constant draw when shooting moving targets?
15:10
(Yes, I am mixing two things together for no apparent reason at all.)
I mean the biggest difference IMHO is constant draw
and clickers
which are, uh, fairly low tech I'm sure you'll agree
now, if you don't use a clicker when shooting moving targets with a reflex bow, I don't see how it has any advantage over a compound bow in this situation
@Griwes when using a sight you don't like do aiming as a separate act either
I bet the pros could shoot much faster if they wanted to
but they are just amazingly accurate by taking their time
CLICK SOME COOKIES WITH A BOW
Maybe. I was mostly channeling my personal preference for non-sport archery.
I like how you measure everything by the pros.
I need more moneys.
I want to buy more things.
15:15
I keep laughing at cat's message jesus christ
buying things is amazing
I keep imagining someone doing a school shooting with this
I want a keyboard, some more dedi servers, and now (again) a bow.
That kind of things takes many moneys.
@Griwes what sort of KB?
20 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
But what if someone had A CANNON
15:17
@thecoshman The musical kind.
@Griwes oh, balls to that
I'm looking at P-105 currently. But I need some more moneys.
Yeah, my recommendation of a Ducky probably wouldn't make much sense then :P
I'm getting a raise, so to say, in two weeks, but then again, I don't want to sit at home for the entire summer, so it'll all probably start coming together at the end of August... :F
@Griwes "so to say" aka, "not really"
15:18
@thecoshman that's pretty impressive alright, but the distance was pretty close
@BartekBanachewicz I've not done the maths, but fairly sure that view angle of that pill is much less than that of a bullseye for pro archers, and moving
@thecoshman Well, no, I'll be getting like 50% more, but it's not exactly fully a raise per se.
@thecoshman see above
also pro archers shoot at 90 meters
at 90 meters I doubt that guy could even hit the target
altought of course I still think he's very good and certainly totally better than me
@BartekBanachewicz vOv but is that repeatable, admittedly we only saw the one shot hitting the pill
@thecoshman the keystone of archery is repetition
15:21
@BartekBanachewicz I'd argue quite the opposite, but there's only one way to find out
@thecoshman send him to the olympics, perhaps?
Mongolian archers were badass.
@BartekBanachewicz have you seen Darren Brown flipping ten heads in a row?
no. I have to go right now.
we can go back to that later
@CatPlusPlus I hate you now I can't stop
I'm at people using galleons on wheels for school shootings :<
15:22
@BartekBanachewicz hint: no matter how small the chances, do it enough times and it can show it happening.
@AlexM. lol
I thought you started playing this clicker thing for a sec
nope this is all derived by your cannon phrase lol
Cannons are p cool
on a more serious note though, I'd buy a galleon on wheels
Except when lit
15:25
it must be pretty neat to sail the city with it
@BartekBanachewicz How much shooting have you done btw?
dressed like a pirate
Gibraltar has a rather large one
And how much handling of firearms excluding shooting?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Does vodka count
15:25
@R.MartinhoFernandes inb4 'loads'
I just want to pull rank.
I had one 'accidental discharge' once.
3
@R.MartinhoFernandes s/rank/the trigger/
Also rip me I did one shot of vodka this weekend and felt terrible for 20 minutes
15:26
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh now come one, you can star bait that obviously
@CatPlusPlus before or after the shot?
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don't shoot
15:48
the ending to bohemian rhapsody is so pleasant to hear
Xeo
Xeo
Ugh, 34 degree celsius
it's too friggin hot

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