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00:00
That sounds impossible
Not that I would actually use something like this in anything serious.
@Veritas Yeah but you still deal with copyable stuff.
the non-copyable was std::unique_ptr
You’re not copying it. You’re copying the pointee.
@Rapptz Yea but then we don't follow the Rule of Zero anymore do we?
Depends how you see the std::unique_ptr. It can very well represent a polymorphic object.
00:09
@Veritas In this case the rule of zero is to write the value_ptr you need.
@Veritas The only issue here is that the stdlib doesn't have value_ptr.
@Rapptz Was there ever a proposal to add it?
@Rapptz I know, I didn't say I don't like the rule just that sometimes just doing stuff on the copy constructor is probably more straightforward.
@EtiennedeMartel not that I know of
Ell
Ell
Ideally you would write value_ptr
IMHO its more straightforward
00:11
@Veritas When a class defines its own special members it takes time and effort to figure out if it’s correct. If it were using a value_ptr, you immediately know it is as correct as value_ptr is.
Ell
Ell
I like only having to worry about dtors etc. In small cases eg value_ptr
So straightforward to write, maybe. Straightforward to review, that’s questionable.
Yea this small wrapper was supposed to be a quick and dirty replacement.
probably not worth it tbh.
And it probably has a redundant template parameter, I don't think it makes sense to be used with any move-only type.
00:28
well gn everyone
@Veritas good night sweet prince
awww shieeeet. Now I can post tasks in event loops directly and call wait() on them if I want to be synchronous because I'm just wrapping a future
task queues ftw
I hope Chris Kohlhoff's executors will be accepted into C++17.
00:57
@StackedCrooked I hope that ISO stackless coroutines would be based on his stackless coroutines from Asio.
Because they are fast and powerful - can be copied, serialized, etc.
Yay! My WD Black came in from RMA.
Time to see if it's really that fast.
Robot Martinho Arnandes
@Mysticial It's a magnetic drive?
@sehe Least I could do :) Not only you solved my problem but I also learned a lot of things
@StackedCrooked Yeah, mechanical drive.
I RMA'ed a WD Green and they sent me back a WD Black.
Let's see what it's made of... Running Crystal Disk Mark.
01:11
any good?
Write errors. Trying on a different machine.
Seems okay on my other machine. Though the connection was very loose.
That's probably why the dock had trouble.
189 MB/s Read, 186 Write. That's impressive.
Sequential.
rule <built-in function compile>
  command = g++ -MMD -MF $out.d -c $flavorcxxflags $in -o $out
woops
Now to figure out exactly why my dock doesn't like it.
01:28
Executors sound deadly efficient.
Interesting... Seems fine in a different USB port. wtf
@Mysticial USB 2/3 shenanigans?
It's all USB3.
But I know USB3 has had a history of suckiness.
Crashed Sublime with a simple regexp on a big file
@Mysticial Welp, you don't know what I say.
01:38
This is why I have multiple computers. Easier to find problems.
@Mysticial Mhm.
How does it handle R?
@Mysticial How does it handle RStudio?
Rstudio?
@Mysticial yes
01:40
@buttifulbuttefly never had that happen to me
in fact I'm always surprised how well Boost.Regex can handle big strings
@VermillionAzure Is this what you're talking about?
RStudio is a free and open source integrated development environment (IDE) for R, a programming language for statistical computing and graphics. RStudio is available in two editions: RStudio Desktop, where the program is run locally as a regular desktop application; and RStudio Server, which allows accessing RStudio using a web browser while it is running on a remote Linux server. Prepackaged distributions of RStudio Desktop are available for Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. RStudio is written in the C++ programming language and uses the Qt framework for its graphical user interface. Work...
I've never heard of it before. Simply because I don't program in R.
@Rapptz (?!.*THING.*) probably not the most complexity-friendly regexp
lol
Hundred thousand lines :w
negative look ahead and wrapping it in .* is not exactly simple :v
01:43
@Mysticial yes
I'm running RStudio right now for development for a webapp
Last time I came here I began throwing terrible names into your faces.
Right now I'm at RNAid
I don't know where you got the idea that I write R and use RStudio. Because I don't.
otoh it's not extremely smart to recompile and reexecute the regexp at every keystroke
@Mysticial shrugs idk
just lemme type the goddamn thing
ctrl + n > type regex > ctrl + a > ctrl + x > ctrl + w > ctrl + f > ctrl + v > f3
:d
01:46
Rapptz please do not bring common sense or logic into my workflow
@Rapptz No Miley Cyri are allowed in Lounge.
-_-
We’ve resolved the connectivity issues some of you have seen. We ran into a LACP bug on the new hardware which broke some machine’s connect.
Cinch I don't speak your native tongue
@Rapptz Ahh, speaking about tongues
Here, let me show you a trick
Hold up and stretch your bottom lip.
Then, take your tongue and start vibrating your tensioned lip
Onto more pressing matters
I'm trying to find out where to place an edit button
That is only there for specific users
Design is hard
01:53
@Rapptz What type of app
@sehe Lots of typos in your description, man. Thought I'd point it out because it's unusual for you.
> help me keep the focus (and not get lost in a chat/youtube/reddit/whatever)
lol
02:27
nooo livecoding with @sehe is offline
i missed it ;_;
RIP
02:38
@Blob are there vods? i missed it too :(
idk :|
@Borgleader There's the "Past Broadcasts" section.
oh there are
yay
@MarkGarcia which one is todays? Boost graph one?
Dunno. :(
02:41
aren't 90% of his answers about graphs on boost?
that and boost::spirit
Boost in general.
that's 100% of his answers
we're talking about 90%
at least i am.. no one's talking with me
live coding?
where?
it's not live anymore
03:34
Someone had questions about some code, so he made a Word document with screenshots of the code,put it on Sharepoint,and e-mailed a link. o_O
hahahahaha
and i thought screenshots of code in SO questions were bad
WTF it's July 1st already
Canada Day \o/ (in 25min for me anyway)
no its not
EST is the real time zone. Still June 30
03:37
It's July 1st 11:37 AM
u w0t m8
Almost July 1.5st, in 13 minutes
where the fk do you live
@buttifulbuttefly highfive same time here.
@Blob hong kong
03:37
australia?
oh
@buttifulbuttefly Can't wait to go lunch TBH.
can't believe there are people 12 hours ahead of me
@Borgleader James should use OneNote to OCR the code.
@Blob But western schedules say that we're either too early or too late. :(
Fuck western schedule supremacy
why don't you guys just switch to est
more convenient
03:40
Why don't you switch to ours?
@buttifulbuttefly Western? Lounge official timezone is Germany's
@MarkGarcia i didn't know yours even existed, so have fun convincing the rest of the east coast
With the majority of Earth population living in Asia, that shouldn't be too hard TBH.
most of them aren't connected to the internet :|
No relevance
03:43
@Blob What? You thought he didnt have a timezone?
@Borgleader i didn't know there was a timezone 12 hours ahead of me
@Borgleader Never!
It's CET, not Germany's
04:03
nick's comment in the sidebar makes me want to share a story about my uni's programming curriculum, but I'm four hours late. :'(
That'll teach me to try to wean myself off chat.
@Borgleader lol
04:20
template<unsigned Flags, typename T>
inline value parse(T&& t) {
Why is Flags the first arg? :(
@buttifulbuttefly Because they relish your misery.
@buttifulbuttefly Why should it be the second arg?
It doesn't even make a difference there.
I can't auto json = json::parse(f)
You can.
VS can't deduce Flags
04:22
Sehe's livestream was relaxing
Oh I forgot to do a default argument in that one.
I did it for the rest.
I thought I fixed that.
Wow yeah default why did I say first arg lol
Am I dumb yes/yes
CAN I OPEN AN ISSUE PLS
04:34
It's three days that I'm sleeping 3-4 hours/night. :c
I'm not even tired right now.
04:52
is there a character that's as wide as a line so that printing 5 rows of the char and 5 columns of that makes a square?
for the typical terminal
@Blob Doesn't the typical terminal have fixed-width font so if it works for any character, it works for all of them?
that's very bad news then
@Blob May I ask why?
i want to draw a list of lists as a board :C
and have it not be too narrow
i'm gonna go with a space between every element
@Blob curses won't solve your problems this time?
04:57
random project to help me figure out haskell. idk if there's a curses library for haskell but i'd rather not deal with it when i don't get the rest of the language
Silly me, assuming c++.
I've never heard of a curses or curses library like thing for haskell, not that means much of anything.
Good night, chat.
@buttifulbuttefly sure
Ven
Ven
05:19
@rightfold "hate" might be too strong a word. But I certainly don't find it elegant
05:35
@rightfold I would personally much prefer resultSama than resultChan
5
Ven
Ven
ok, you take this gold thingie
Ven
Ven
@rightfold gist.github.com/rightfold/1c9f64faef24921f9e94 why doesn't "timeout" have the little ":"?
@rightfold I might not mind "<-" that much. it's just that -- it's not the biggest sell for me
@sehe Loading ~100k rows takes less than 0.1 seconds on the production machine :p all thanks to you!
05:51
@buttifulbuttefly What'd he do?
Helped me optimize a file parser
He obviously boosted its performance.
ah yes, he's good at that.
@MarkGarcia ^litterally
05:54
im debating whether or not i should buy the Borderlands HB. On the one hand I have part of the stuff in it, on the other the stuff i dont have is well worth 15$.... but i also have a ton of games to play already
T_T ill sleep on it
06:11
Sooo... there's an epic help vampire on chemistry.SE. Made a chatroom and pinged a LOT of people - including mods. And somehow me as well.
What info can be extracted from pointer address (Linux x86_64)? Maybe you can know the page index and the offset into the page (by doing mod 4096)? Anything else?
06:27
I wonder if I should try recording a song
As long as I don't have to hear it :P
> http://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/24180285#24180285

That's... um... let's see... about... 20 freedom units? Is that long enough?
@StackedCrooked sorry what is this?
nothing really ...
just wanted to know if meta-data can be found in address bit patterns
2
Q: msvs12 treats braces as operator()

sliser#include <iostream> struct A { void operator()(const char *) { std::cout << "void operator()(const char *)" << std::endl; } }; int main(int argc, char* argv[]) { A a; a{"hi"}; return 0; } msvs12 is happy with this code and I can't understand why. Is it bug or...

Hahahahahahahaha
@StackedCrooked mm i see
06:40
@StackedCrooked What "meta data"?
that's what I wanna know :D
Are you talking OS level or allocator level or something else?
There is no metadata in those bits. Some languages / frameworks do use metadata though.
user1804599
07:08
@Ven typo.
user1804599
@Ven ok
@StackedCrooked Assuming 4k pages, but that's not very useful information anyway
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@StackedCrooked what is a page index?
Page number?
user1804599
@StackedCrooked nothing.
07:13
@StackedCrooked the simple answer is: yes. Meta data can be extracted from keyboard noise picked up from across the street using optical sensing of the movements in window panes. Likewise, side channel attacks exist based on e.g. power usage by or radition emitted from CPU chips.
Pretty sure "deriving" information from observing address patterns is much more direct in comparison
Can anyone recommend any book / site for a java developer wanting to learn c++? specifically interested in more modern style c++
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4270
Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkThis question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are published every year. Unlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from tutorials found on the Internet, few are able to quickly pick up C++ without studying a well-written...

Suicide prevention forums exist
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@ClickUpvote overall guideline for Java developers: avoid new and inheritance.
cool, I didn't even know this match existed :P
user1804599
07:17
TL;DR
@rightfold watch the images, there's a lot of sweaty muscle men
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No.
right, otherwise we might end up like yesterday
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TM;DW
when everyone was in heat
don't do it :>
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> Practice shows that the usage of the callback based approach to asynchronous programming is usually uncomfortable. To simplify the writing and supporting a complex asynchronous code you can use a different approach - using coroutines.
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this talk better be about the stackful kind
Ven
Ven
@rightfold btw, I won't be able to work on stuff all week
F-35 jet program costs US 271 billions of dollars
one machine is built for 200 million.
this money is just... uh
user1804599
@Ven me neither :p
07:32
@R.MartinhoFernandes I've found this
A crankcase ventilation system is a one way passage for gases to escape in a controlled manner from the crankcase of an internal combustion engine. This is necessary because internal combustion inevitably involves a small but continual amount of blow-by, which occurs when some of the gases from the combustion leak past the piston rings (that is, blow by them) to end up inside the crankcase, causing pressure to build up in the crank case. For control of the pressure inside it, a PCV is used to vent the crank case. == Early provisions == From the late 19th century through the early 20th, blow-by...
do you think it might be that thing?
or does it always go back to recirculate the air
user1804599
All this news about Greece makes me crave gyros.
actually it can be seen clearly here
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huh
user1804599
wtf
user1804599
that doesn't exist. buildcraft didn't feature that.
user1804599
07:35
explosion FAQ nasa.gov/feature/…
I see I've made the starboard
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@sehe That livecoding sounds like an interesting idea, will you do it again?
user1804599
@sehe Wrong. God made it.
@fredoverflow it appears live
OMG I AM ON TELLY
I'd like to thank Lounge for their everlasting support
07:43
@fredoverflow live now, actually
user1804599
@fredoverflow remember that token ADT boilerplate for positions?
@BartekBanachewicz can you confirm audio? (voice)
mm?
I don't hear anything (was picking up headphones)
do you stream a mix of your soundcard or just the mic?
07:44
@sehe Oh, now I get a Flash error message.
@rightfold Sure. I solved it with a setPosition method or something IIRC.
user1804599
Mill solves that problem with the common keyword!
user1804599
union Lexeme {
    common(position: Position)
    Identifier(name: String)
    IntLiteral(value: Int)
    Class
    Interface
}
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This is better than DRUGS!
Is it better than sliced drugs?
@fredoverflow Soz about interruption. Damn Yehova witnesses don't respect no heat waves
user1804599
07:46
@fredoverflow What is sliced drugs? edibles e = drugs{};?
You know like sliced bread, but with drugs instead of bread.
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Yes, it's much better than that.
user1804599
It's sliced syntactic sugar. :D
@rightfold std::vector<edible> e = drugs(); you mean
@BartekBanachewicz both.
07:47
@fredoverflow On that matter, what's the slang for a bar of haschisch?
@Rerito coffee shop?
@sehe can't hear anything
@FlorianMargaine Barre de teshi ouaish
@Rerito oh, that kind of bar
there we go @sehe
07:49
@Rerito Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voller Aale.
@fredoverflow One moment please while I google translate that
is it creepy that I use my 2nd screen to watch bear's stream?
in my defence not having to DJ for myself is convenient
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better than using your 2nd streen to watch a bear scream.
Finally got AC in the office
We'll hit the 39°C today so that's nice
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Getting an AC-130 in your office is either horrifying or amazing.
07:52
Skills I have learned this year: How to move desks rather quickly
@Rerito It's from a German Monty Python episode.
@thecoshman DEADLIFT!
user1804599
Monty JavaScript
@fredoverflow o_0 German Monty Python?
@BartekBanachewicz Is there audio now? I mean voice?
Ell
Ell
07:53
Its hot in England
@thecoshman You know, translated into German.
@fredoverflow Google said your hovercraft is full of eels
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Das Ministerium für alberne Gänge.
Having a hovercraft already makes you cool, no need for eels
@sehe oh sorry I got stuck in the music
07:54
@Ell I think it's hot all over western europe right now
it made me too comfy and I fell asleep kind of
no voice
@BartekBanachewicz I'mma reboot now and try again for the audio. There's no suitable boost questions right now anyway :(
I like how you don't even have to press enter because I see you typing the response :D
:D
brb
user1804599
Found a nice icon for tax-related menu items: fontawesome.io/icon/frown-o
Ell
Ell
07:56
Peak temperatures of 35 degrees
@Rerito That's exactly right.
Ell
Ell
Unheard of in england
Hahaha it's currently hotter in France than in HK makes perfect sense
user1804599
tomorrow smog I need a facemask help
@buttifulbuttefly Yeah, it's gonna be awesome in the RER
user1804599
07:58
or a gasmask
CDC suit
we are supposed to get 31 degrees on sunday
mmmmm another bike trip incoming

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