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15:00
I slept like 1 hour since yesterday
@BartekBanachewicz uni
ah crap
too bad. I thought you're ready to agree that Hate is the greatest thing since flushed toilets
@R.MartinhoFernandes Use GCC, seems to work. /s
Greatest thing since the thing I flushed in a toilet
I wish I had more energy to work on it
15:01
Have you tried solar panels
at least one random guy on reddit found parts of it useful
They're usually useful in whole
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which version of Clang? Both variants seem to succeed on coliru
solar panels vs engines is the new tabs vs spaces
Ell
Ell
nah m8 solar panels are obviously superior
15:05
which are tabs and which are spaces, so I know what to prefer?
@AndyProwl Some Apple one :/
@EtiennedeMartel Also you mad
@AndyProwl they are in the same order on both cases
solar panels = tabs, engines = spaces
@CatPlusPlus That ain't Java.
15:06
@AndyProwl Tested on en.cppreference.org's built-in code editor thingy & it compiled in C++11, but failed in C++14 & C++17
one is theoretically better, the other is pratically better
@Jefffrey Then I guess I prefer engines
That ain't whatever weird thing you want it to be
@AndyProwl high 5
engines ftw
@CatPlusPlus Microsoft says braces should go on their own line.
15:06
Solar panels and engines are v comparable
Microsoft is life, Microsoft is love.
@BartekBanachewicz <sup>5</sup>
@CatPlusPlus no fuck panels
Microsoft says Bing is a good search engine
15:07
@EtiennedeMartel Are. They. Fucking. MAD?
@CatPlusPlus That's a different Microsoft.
@EtiennedeMartel clearly
(MS is basically a giant hydra)
I only listen to Microsoft Bob
(Most of its heads are crazy)
(But the one that wrote the C# conventions isn't)
15:07
@EtiennedeMartel The sane ones don't grow back.
@EtiennedeMartel Like pretty much all companies really
@Jefffrey Few companies enforce such an extreme structure where teams are basically competing with one another.
Ubisoft comes to mind.
*Hive> putStrLn . toString $ b
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good.
15:11
@CatPlusPlus I know a guy who works at MS. He confirmed that.
ecept it prints one dot at the end
for whatever reason
oh right
it's actually 121 elements because range is inclusive
better
@BartekBanachewicz Why isn't that print b?
@Jefffrey I don't like TypeSynonymInstances
That begs the question as to what b is then
and CBA to deal with newtypes at the prototyping stage
@Jefffrey type Board = Map.Map Point Field
15:14
Change type to newtype problem solved
36 secs ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
and CBA to deal with newtypes at the prototyping stage
Ell
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gl::glDrawElements segfaults
I wonder what that means
check debug output and error state vOv
@Ell Probably that it has a terribly API
What library is that?
Ell
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glBinding
it's just for loading extensions
I can't remember why I used it over glew
I think because it has real functions instead of macros
15:20
@Ell Check for errors with an OpenGL debugger.
Can't because on linux
runs away
(gDebugger works fine on Linux)
user1804599
radioactivity double precision NOT NULL :tinfoil:
Ell
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this provides neat debugging and meta info also
hmm. it runs and finisihes immediately in gdebugger
code at work: t[4] - ( m[4]*t[0] + m[5]*t[2] ), t[5] - ( m[4]*t[1] + m[5]*t[3] )
15:35
gDebugger is old and ded
@CatPlusPlus it also works nicely
the fact it's old doesn't mean it's bad
@Jefffrey OpenGL?
this project
dotpng
@Jefffrey Why no syntax highlighting?
15:42
I love these exercises so much. Single letter namings, aimed at seeing if you can be a good compiler.
They are wonderful.
I guess it's a memory exercise.
Because you have to keep in mind all these stupid functions that sometimes really do nothing.
@nabijaczleweli Because uni
@Jefffrey Uni... versity?
No, uni... cast
Uniterrible
@CatPlusPlus lol <3
uninecessary
15:45
Uniwhy
I asked the dev why he didn't comment on it
he said "but it's clear"
#gamedev, where the most obscure "clever" solution wins
unineeded
don't forget speed
@LucDanton 10/10 très bon
This exercise should be aimed to C programmers. They chose that "everything must be complicated" life.
I didn't
15:47
You're in uni
lol TIL it's illegal to move between the cars on a motorcycle in the USA
Ell
Ell
oh hey the problem was I bound buffers before binding vao
or something
how's your renderer going
Ell
Ell
not at all :P
I have a blank screen so far
that's what you'll have for at least 500 API calls with the new superfast vulkan api
ain't you excited yet
15:52
@Jefffrey it's not aimed at people who can't use it (duh!)
vulkan 2.0: you get to turn the transistors on yourself
I still don't understand why you're complaining
stick to higher-level APIs
Ell
Ell
I am excited for vulkan yes
by connecting one of your hands to some power cable and the other to the GPU
@Jefffrey admit it you're just a badlet
15:53
I don't like building blocks that don't come attached to behaviour that no longer makes sense either
Vulkan is not really low level
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Ell
^this
it is just a better abstraction of how gpus work now
or sthng
it's a reasonable platform to build on
@BartekBanachewicz probably, what's a badlet
Yeah it's just an abstraction that maps the behavior of moderns GPUs more efficiently than OpenGL
15:54
@Jefffrey someone who's bad
why don't you just use "bad"?
it's even shorter
I mean if you want a "let me draw a triangle in 10 lines" you want Hate, not Vulkan :P
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nor opengl
i want a let-me-draw-a-triangle in max 3 lines
That doesn't mean GPU vendor has to deliver that
15:55
@Jefffrey tutorial-driven development go
yeah, that's what both opengl and vulkan lead to
lead to what
"ok, so i need a triangle, let me copy this code over here"
@Jefffrey uh that's just dumb
I meant something else
15:56
"oh, wait, maybe i also need a square, let me copy this other code"
I meant "I am going to design my library so that the trivial examples takes 3 lines no matter what"
"no no, maybe a cube is better, yeah, let me just paste this"
Therefore the solution is for GPUs to ship with high-level APIs, just like CPUs do
@Jefffrey idiots copypasting code are everywhere
15:57
why are people so fond of writing graphics library
@Jefffrey no idea
they're badlets.
like you people want low level and then you end up writing a new high level library on top of that
what's the sense in that
Yes that's the point
Division of responsibility
@Jefffrey well, for one I actually can use OpenGL I think
and there's really no Haskell lib that does what I want so
I wanted to do game jams in Haskell but everything was meh
low level is maybe what you want, but high level is what you heart really needs
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15:59
that's why Hate's API is high-level
it's p obvious innit
That still doesn't mean the driver has to provide the high-level abstractions
you take a low-level API and build a high-level API on it
let me rephrase that in a more poetic way
@Jefffrey is it just me or you stopped making sense
I don't want low-level apis for any purpose other than making high-level apis on top of them
16:00
(When I don't capitalize messages I'm being silly)
your whole vulkan hate is silly
I am complaining about this new low-level API that enables better high-level APIs because I don't like to write high-level APIs and obviously nobody else is going to do it for me
Or something
i'm just frustrated with this motherfucking java exercises
it's more about "I'll cry if I don't get the API I want"
i'm crying already
16:02
and since suddenly Vulkan requires a tiny bit of competence all those people can't write their game engines
@Jefffrey Don't be scared, they will fix variadics
those amazing, well designed super fast C++ OpenGL game engines for MMORPG 3D
variadics are not even a problem
with singletons
code intentionally made to be complex in order to justify 1.5 hours of exam is
16:03
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah neither OpenGL nor DirectX are going anywhere sort to burst your bubble there
16 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
You're in uni
and then you lose your train of thoughts because the guy next to you is disturbing you by crying like a baby, and you also don't pass the exam
and that's "let's examine how good this guy is with java"
who the hell cries in an exam
i swear i'd rather read perl code
lol
16:05
or the actual compiled bytecode
shit I want to go home
work is so annoying lately
but I promised I'll stay until I finish this merge
@Prismatic Actors.
@Prismatic a guy that doesn't know if it's human, dancer or a compiler
so of course fighting with 25-step build again
fuck me
this one time I had a programming exam where we had to make a routine to read in hex
but I only accounted for capital letters and the input was in little letters
16:06
of course half of the tools doesn't build
nearly failed
programming exams suck
oh hey
i have an idea
@BartekBanachewicz ENOGAY
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Maybe I can translate the code into some more readable code
And then work on that
nah, it takes too much tim
also ffs my uni wants me to have some "internship" thing
which means I have to wait somewhere in a line for 4 hours to say "hey I work kthxbai"
those fuckers are out of their goddamn mind
the most retarded thing is that you can't do those retroactively
as in it doesn't matter I've been working for the last 3 years
I need to go there and say that I WILL TOTES WORK WITH COMPUTERS for the next month
and then write some idiotic report or something
god I hate and despise this annoying useless bullshit so much
16:20
@BartekBanachewicz lol I could
I hate the internship thing too
I keep trying to get papers from work to college but
the mid of summer is when that has to happen usually
and the last 2 years I job hopped each year
around then
user1804599
Hi.
Ell
Ell
@rightfold hi
Hi
ITT unis
I guess "ranting" and "uni" is redundant
@BartekBanachewicz So, not totally happy with the plan, then?
Xeo
Xeo
16:40
FFS. I gave Stella and Taiga the exact same food portion. Stella gulped hers down and then started preying on Taiga's.
:<
I somehow had praying mantis in mind.
@Xeo I guess you found which one is the alpha cat
Xeo
Xeo
@Jefffrey Not really. Taiga left hers after eating a bit, as always
Stella is a beautiful name
Ell
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hey I got something on my renderer
I would name my daughter that if I'd ever have one
16:49
@Xeo You have two cats now?
Xeo
Xeo
For a while
I guess a cat loving scale would go from 1 to Xeo.
Ell
Ell
SDL handles key event weirdly o.O
I have 2 dogs and one cat
on which scale does this put me?
Ell
Ell
16:51
it keeps sending keyup events continously
ie it's not just keydown, keyup
it's keydown, keyup, keyup, keyup, keyup ... ad infinitum
seemingly anyway
You're not draining the queue properly probably
@Ell its telling you "fuck you" its on own special way :P
Ell
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@TonyTheLion :(
I changed from SDL_PollEvent to SDL_WaitEvent and it works
I guess it was giving me the last event in the queue
as cat implied
@Ell You'll need to draw in another thread, then, don't you?
(assuming SDL_WaitEvent is blocking)
16:57
Just use timers like any reasonable person
PollEvent should remove the event from the queue, you're just doing something wrong with it
Ell
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it's supposed to be a dragon.
@BartekBanachewicz oh god why
That doesn't even make sense
So even if I start internship this summer, it doesn't matter because I have to go through their conditions on that?
@CatPlusPlus what is it
mud
Will be
Maybe
17:09
But... what is it
ball of mud
A MUD (/ˈmʌd/; originally Multi-User Dungeon, with later variants Multi-User Dimension and Multi-User Domain), is a multiplayer real-time virtual world, usually text-based. MUDs combine elements of role-playing games, hack and slash, player versus player, interactive fiction, and online chat. Players can read or view descriptions of rooms, objects, other players, non-player characters, and actions performed in the virtual world. Players typically interact with each other and the world by typing commands that resemble a natural language. Traditional MUDs implement a role-playing video game set...
@Ell fix your cameraaaa
@CatPlusPlus I prefer Solo Occupant Dungeon Offensively Flaming Females
17:25
@thecoshman Flaming Users Can Kick Off Fearsome Fights
@MartinJames Silly Heuristics Impeded Transmission
Begging A Reply To Essentially Kickass
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oh very well done. I doff my hat to you sir.
does that notify everyone? (about this)
I'll learn how to smartdown one day :(
@Jefffrey Your surname is Artois?
@MartinJames no
17:36
@thecoshman I don't like Stella either.
17:50
I don't like you either
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