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09:05
so
who's playing factorio next time with us
the first multiplayer playtest was a success
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you
matlab has so many builtin tools i.imgur.com/ejbWViM.png
I'm curious to check them all out
this program is really interesting
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Is it FOSS?
Only if you have a torrent client
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That's not open-source.
09:09
I'm shocked nobody have coupled LLVM and Octave, should help with the JIT and might beat Matlab. Octave doesn't have a working JIT
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I only use FOSS language implementations.
it already has all the tools I need for my AI assignments
good morning champs
fuck other languages, I'm gonna do them in matlab
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> License Proprietary commercial software
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09:10
it's shit
prof said any language is fine
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Mill.
@BartekBanachewicz What is it?
@Mr.kbok factorio.com?
@AlexM. Matlab programming is horrible
09:12
maybe
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@AlexM. What do you need to do?
but right now between rolling my own and using matlab's wizards for fuzzy logic and genetic algos
I know what I'm gonna choose
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I gave Fortran a try one day.
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It was a refreshing experience.
@BartekBanachewicz oh cool
@AlexM. Sure :)
09:14
@BartekBanachewicz oh, sounds tempting. Give us a shout when you are thinking of playing
we should reactivate Lounge<Factorio>

Lounge<Factorio>

You are either not producing enough, or not consuming enough.
working on something like matlab must be interesting
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> In the field of artificial intelligence, a genetic algorithm (GA) is a search heuristic that mimics the process of natural selection. This heuristic (also sometimes called a metaheuristic) is routinely used to generate useful solutions to optimization and search problems.
09:14
especially on the distributed computing modules
@thecoshman it was just random yesterday. Jefff said he's p much free, we might as well think about doing it on today's evening
not too much, 2-3 hours tops
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This is as interesting as picking the most suitable colours for barrier tape.
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I am glad you do this job @AlexM. so I don't have to. :D
Fucking Patch Doomsday. FF lost alll its session info and would not restore:(
@BartekBanachewicz well I can't until I'm back, by which time the fad will be over :P
09:17
dunno
either way I need a smurf
@minitech are you around?
oh well I might go to the tavern as well
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inb4 bartek gets b& by gordon for calling another mod a smurf
a bit cruel to cut a smurf up for your birthday ...
> Notable Changes
> Atom now opens files larger than 2MB
lol "notable"
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lol 2MB limit
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Did they use 32mb integers to store the file's size?
09:22
Notable change Atom now supports columns wider than 80 characters
@rightfold whistles
@rightfold You mean MB right!
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@BartekBanachewicz ?
@buttifulbuttefly I'll call it notable when they'll be wider than your mom
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09:23
@buttifulbuttefly no, mb.
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MB is megabyte.
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mb is millibit.
Not on SO, because SO knows no stinkin' SI units.
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Stack Overflow can suck my fucking cock.
tempted to flag
09:24
For using the wrong units?
Atom?
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Atom is not Vim.
Oh you mean FF right
> You can note, that both laser and ammo turret are now 2X2 entity.
OMG OMG OMG
omg omg omg
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Awesome.
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09:26
Where's the changelist?
any way, time for me to saddle up and head on out! Slack from here on out.
@BartekBanachewicz you missed it?
Nice graphics
Except the checkerboard really 0/10 level design
@rightfold Wow. When was this implemented
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@sehe secret feature left by atwoo
@Mr.kbok I like how they bake 3d models into 2d animations
oldschool
@BartekBanachewicz Oh. Well. Clearly we have the wrong friends. Lets mutually retweet :) I hope a JamesMcN, KG, JP picks this up :)
@sehe MeetingC++ responded to mine :D
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I like the graphics of The Neverhood. It's somewhat similar.
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09:30
It's pictures of claymen.
That was actually physically sculpted and photographed IIRC
@BartekBanachewicz Well. That's exactly what killed it. I don't respect Meeting C++ that much. Actually, I almost unfollowed it at one point (for posting too much drivel)
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Yes! :D
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One of the best games ever.
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Sad you need to install Windows 95 in order to run it.
09:31
Andy for memesident
1/10
In base 2 that's pretty average
That's clever
@buttifulbuttefly your mom
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I should install Windows 95 and the game and play it again.
buttefly's mom is average?
09:36
you should feel bad for spelling the joke
tee atche ee jay o kay ee
oh yeah I feel bad suddenly
so hungry :<
why does food take so long
@AlexM. revert back to primitive state
as soon as you catch the gazelle -> eat
Xeo
Xeo
@AlexM. Make it yourself
@buttifulbuttefly that's furbish
09:40
@Xeo that takes even longer
Xeo
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Except when it doesn't
@Xeo sudo make it yourself
I'm waiting for chicken soup and QF tagliatele
making that would take me at least a day X_X
Why, is it header-only?
Xeo
Xeo
Good! :D
09:41
@AlexM. Quasi-FuckedUp ?
quattro formaggi
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Xeo
Quattro Formati
I usually go with the former
@AlexM. Almost Lounge bait. damn
09:42
@AlexM. you're a really bad cook
tagliatelle ftw
@FlorianMargaine yes I know
I can make good pasta + mushrooms w tomato sauce tho
pretty fast too
but it doesn't beat QF
win
if it weren't fake, that is
still funny
09:44
@thecoshman I'm not, sorry :(
commas matter
> Well that escalated...constantly.
> Error: Function definitions are not permitted at the prompt or in scripts.
fuck you too matlab
@R.MartinhoFernandes on phone. Not what?
> PHP0139: Operating Systems are not implementable in PHP, Hansard HC, 12 June 1995, coll.493-4 proceedings
I wonder if I could kickstarter/indiegogo Hate :S
09:46
@sehe lel
I really can only define functions in their own files
no way to do it in the REPL
wtf
You could try
But what rewards could you offer?
features :v
@thecoshman Unconference.
I'd need a game to go with it anyawy
09:47
@BartekBanachewicz Er, probably not.
Oh :-(
Any way, if you want talk, Slack
Later
int main() {
@BartekBanachewicz depends on how much you'll ask for
@AlexM. dunno. Food for half a year sounds reasonable.
09:58
u srs
so like €3k
so basically
pay me 3k eur to work on a 2D graphics framework for Haskell
I've made worse deals I guess
COUGH ipad mini COUGH
what's wrong with ipad mini?
09:59
I had nothing to use it for
I hear overwhelmingly positive reviews of it
@AlexM. That's not the fault of the device, is it?
as soon as I got an android phone it became obsolete for everything
never said it's the device's fault
oh ok. I misunderstood then.
yeah well anyway
one thing it did well though
I don't think it's realistic to get that cash
10:00
it ran games at better framerates
because it had a nice GPU running a low res
perhaps if it was a JS project
there's shitload of js devs around, they could maybe fund that
the phone can't run anything good looking at clean framerates because holy shit 1080p
(good looking = things like asphalt 8)
minecraft runs ok tho
did someone mention gpus
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no
@BartekBanachewicz You should garner some interest before starting a KS.
10:04
you also need a badass kickstarter page
with videos and shit to interest++
@R.MartinhoFernandes IKR
@AlexM. or a picture of a potato salad
@buttifulbuttefly .
@FlorianMargaine that one was funny and obviously kickstartable
it's really fascinating imo
how some kickstarters win and others don't
even tho they're basically about the same thing, those that lose lack some necessary things
maybe it's famous developers that are trustworthy
Some are famous for not being trustworthy.
10:06
maybe it's a mistake that makes the presentation not appeal to people
cough Molyneux cough
@MarcoA. I still don't know how v-calls and recursion are implemented on NV hardware :)
@buttifulbuttefly Neither do I! Let's find out: SO
Didn't you ask your colleagues
10:08
yes, but they're not responding
someone has to manually reboot them
Ven
Ven
> "Convert A Character String To Lower-Case LOWER-CASE
> C$TOLOWER
> CBL_TOLOWER
> "Historically back in the days when punched-cards were used to submit COBOL program
> source to a COBOL compiler, this part of a COBOL statement was reserved for a six-digit
> sequence number.
> While the contents of this area are ignored by COBOL compilers, it existed so that a program actually punched on 80-character cards could – if the card deck were dropped on the floor – be run through a card sorter machine and restored to it’s proper sequence.
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Ven
Ven
dafuck cobol
> Four Months Later, Peter Molyneux's Godus Is Still A Mess
surprise surprise
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> it's proper sequence
10:11
Molyneux failed pretty badly with curiosity and godus
Ugh, games journalism.
the guy who won curiosity was supposed to become a god in godus
but there's no godus
@MarcoA. just ssh into them, really
@AlexM. nice summary
IIRC he was also supposed to get $$$ from godus' shares
10:11
lol oh god
Oh hey, I'm on hipstergram btw, follow if you like sarcasm
for a second I wanted to add const in front of my Haskell value
phew
careful, next you'll std::move it
this is what C++ does to people
Ven
Ven
they get constantly puzzled
10:12
Too much C++ causes constipation
4
@AlexM. or I'll start passing values by reference
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@BartekBanachewicz const = id, problem solved!
Ven
Ven
But const is useful in haskell.
Challenge #1: ask stackoverflow questions on ask.fm and vice-versa
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I love Go.
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10:15
What a great language.
@Ven I know it is right
Ven
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz ..fold
> Interns come with a scarily good amount of experience and talent these days.
Sigh, game developers.
sourceplx
Either that's a lie, or they are exploiting them by hiring them as interns.
@AlexM. The article Bartek mentioned. steamed.kotaku.com/…
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes and yes.
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Oh wait interns.
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Good for boring CRUD shit.
10:20
it balances out in the end IME
for some degree of balance
Hey can some of you amazing programmers help me find a correct technique to solve this problem?
bad sticks together, good leaves for better places
@rightfold in the last scene a chicken frowned
that's the maximum expressiveness ever reached in those strips
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I always like how you can see the expressions on the chickens' faces even though they're so similar.
Say I have data ordered in a tree-like structure - where each node contains a list with subnodes. And each node has a weak reference back to the parent node. Now in the destructor of a node it will automatically call destroy all sub nodes it contains. That's good right?
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10:22
Yes.
But now the problem is: I'm getting a stackoverflow (recursion depth error as I'm working in another language).
From the destructor chain
guys I need sanity check
@BartekBanachewicz Failed. Move on
So how do I prevent such a thing
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By showing an SSCCE.
@paul23 how big is that tree exactly?
30-ish recursive calls shouldn't overflow
and 30-ish levels on a binary tree is a lot of elements
few hundred layers
oh wow. funny problem
Most layers are a single element
That's called a linked list.
then I suppose you have to move away from parents owning and destroying their children
Well but not all. It's like: "heavily growing wide" - 10 layers single - "heavily growing wide" etc etc
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Try -O2.
@rightfold It's not made in C++, but I ask here since in C++ you typically work more with these optimizations
you need iterative destruction and to do that you have to have an entity that's owning every node
and make the nodes just have weak links
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10:26
@paul23 what is it made in.
p simple really
@BartekBanachewicz I guess/afraid of that. (Bye bye clean and easy memory management)
I gotta say I've never heard about destructor stack overflow though
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Use an arena.
is this something common?
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10:27
Or a tracing garbage collector.
@rightfold having an object manage all nodes p much is a garbage collector
@BartekBanachewicz It won't cause an overflow, but the language errors prevent overflows by having a recursion depth. Of 50 - which I can't change.
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WHICH LANGUAGE IS IT
GML :P
gamemaker
I'd ask why you're using that crap but then again...
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10:28
Oh, then I don't know.
@paul23 If you implement that "GC" yourself, it won't be that bad really
you can schedule deletes directly instead of sweeping for marked nodes
@BartekBanachewicz I'd have to add a lot of validations checks though
why?
the nodes don't own anything
it's the GCs job to do the cleanup.
To prevent a just-destructed-child of being accessed by the still existing parent.
it's a tree, you won't have any cycles
just destruct in order
or wait, you have children having pointers to parents
10:31
Or well I have to make sure that the reference is removed when you call "node.destroy_myself()"
maybe you could try using a readily available GC implementation
Then again I'm working in gamemaker :P
Ven
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> DConf 2015 happened recently! Over 30 men gathered in person at Utah Valley University [...]
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Well and that's your main problem I guess :P
@Ven ahahhaha
I find the problems (like this) that occur interesting though.
Ven
Ven
10:33
I don't know which part of the sentence makes me laugh the most.
I agree the problem itself is interesting
but then again it's also been solved.
Normally I solve it by looking at other languages, and reimplementing it.. Helps me a lot with understanding
one idea that comes to mind is to batch together the single-branch nodes
so if you have a few hundred nodes in a tree with just one child they are represented as a linked list in a special type of node
Python could also have the same problem btw, but I guess it's normally considered the application programmer's responsiblity to set the recursion depth.
And not the library creators.
well, want to take a look at my "doubt" then?
mmm actually
I think I have an idea
10:38
ducks
do deleted members participate in overload resolution in C++14?
They do even in C++11
if they get picked, error
one guy wrote

> The commentary on defaulted move special members is incorrect as of C++14. A defaulted move constructor/assignment operator that is defined as deleted is now simply ignored by overload resolution.
But this problem might even also occur in mapping file directories?
perhaps I got something wrong
10:45
> Clang++ choking completely on optimized builds with std::function<> is rather unexpected, and that it doesn't show any run time performance advantage for it is disappointing.
Ugh.
"rather unexpected"
:<
People just assume Clang is perfect :(
@MarcoA. I really don't think that's accurate
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, it's good that we're getting used to having good tools at least
Would an attempt to move such a type fall back to a copy construction?
@Ven People seem to be getting used to thinking they have good tools.
this is C++14 but generates an error
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Ven
10:48
@R.MartinhoFernandes the C++ crowd? barely
Ell
Ell
I don't think they assume its perfect
Any bug is unexpected
@MarcoA. Yeah, that's correct. But to be fair here the move constructor is deleted explicitly, not deleted as a consequence of being defaulted
Ell
Ell
A bug in gcc would still be unexpected
@AndyProwl uhm good point
But I don't really think that matters... a deleted operation takes part to overload resolution no matter how it was generated
10:49
what's up?
I'd be surprised to hear otherwise
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@AndyProwl I don't quite think so - rather than being deleted, it would be "not there", or something?
I remember there being a distinction with that
@Xeo Yes, but if it's generated as deleted, it is considered by OR
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Ven
o/ @FilipRoséen-refp
@MarcoA. oh look there's @FilipRoséen-refp he'll certainly know
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10:50
Ah, right.
you know special-member functions are conditionally implicitly declared, right?
yes. The question is: if they are implicitly defined as deleted, will they be considered by OR in all cases?
@Ell It's not a bug. It's just slow. ("choking" is a poor choice of word)
@AndyProwl if they are implicitly declared, and implicitly (ie. non-user) defined as deleted; yes, of course they will be part of overload resolution
@AlexM. Use lambdas you noob :D (f = @(x) sin(x)*exp(x.^2))
10:52
@FilipRoséen-refp then I suppose this is either wrong or inaccurate reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/3974zi/…
also: if there's something wrong with the link please point it out to me and I'll remove/fix it. I might have some confusion on it
@FilipRoséen-refp Yeah, that's what I thought. Well, actually they will be considered also if the user explicitly declares them as deleted
Basically:
3 mins ago, by Andy Prowl
But I don't really think that matters... a deleted operation takes part to overload resolution no matter how it was generated
@AndyProwl regarding your latter part; of course - but I was talking about the implicit (ie. non-user) version specifically in what I wrote
I hate how I keep getting spam emails from "Plan My Funeral". Kinda creepy, like someone out there knows something. :/
10:53
@FilipRoséen-refp Right
@MarcoA. the link is fine, but that comment is (as said) wrong.
@FilipRoséen-refp ah sorry, I meant the other link here
@TonyTheLion Well they can't be wrong
I don't know what that is.. too many colors, brain hurting.
I am now dead.
10:54
lol
Ugh, what a terrible website.
@TonyTheLion lol, yeah, they know you're alive
I.. like the colors : (
@MarcoA. :D Lounged
@MarcoA. "turtles", you are supposed to like turtles.. this is the Internet, please do not break it by liking "colors".
should we revive the most exciting discussion we have ever had in this channel; colors vs colours?
10:56
@MarcoA. Is it your website?
@R.MartinhoFernandes nope, rather a showoff of some js stuff
Please make the mindmap thingy on the left be disappearable.
uh okay.. I suck at js though
Do you use jQuery? A simple $.disappearThingyOnTheLeft should do it
+1 for mentioning jQuery
10:58
Here's a freehand circle: O
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jquery can't melt steel beams
Not with that attitude it can't.
It looks horrible on a perfectly fine window size.
@MarcoA. There isn't even a scrollbar.
uh that's a low resolution... and I obviously didn't care of low resolutions
that is why I suck at web development
@MarcoA. "obviously" :/
10:59
And this, kids, is why fucking over basic browser functionality is cancer.
just use flexbox
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I prefer "cum beam" over "cumshot".

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